What is the real reason MCPS uses Lottery for Middle School Magnet Program

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So if Asians, Whites, Blacks and Latino kids performance is at par, are you saying that MCPS had a racist policy of selecting Asians and Whites kids over Blacks and Latino kids? Can you site any evidence of this?

MCPS is now on its third iteration of magnet admissions in my kids' time in the system and the first iteration (two iterations ago) really was pretty biased. It included a lot of elements that have been demonstrated to have racial or SES bias, including:

1) The MS admissions test was offered on a Saturday at only a select number of schools, so if your parents worked or were otherwise unavailable to drive you, too bad.

2) As might be suggested by #1, the test was not universal. You had to either be referred or opt in. This was a system that dramatically favored people who were "in the know" as well as those with extra time to track school goings on

3) Teacher recommendations are demonstrably problematic. At the ES level, most teachers are white women, and data shows that white women are terrible at identifying gifted kids of color. The things they are looking for (compliance, extroversion) are not present in ALL gifted kids

4) At-home essays were being written/heavily edited by parents, which gave a HUGE advantage to kids whose parents were highly educated native or near-native English speakers

So you want lottery as a solution to these problems you sited? Can you think of any other way to resolve these issues so that they can be addressed appropriately? a better way than a lottery?
Will you say the same about the sports and games team? Do you support MCPS to do a lottery for sports and games?

Many of the issues I cited were addressed in the admissions reforms that happened about four years ago. They scrapped the teacher recommendations (biased) and the at home essays (rigged). They conducted universal screening for most 5th graders and conducted those screenings in the home schools during school hours, rather than having kids come into testing sites on a Saturday.

My biggest question is why MCPS moved so quickly away from that system, which actually addressed many of the problems with the earlier iteration.

They saw pandemic as an opportunity to pull the rug

[Anonymous]

Lottery is killing the magnet programs. Thanks for BOE.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lottery is killing the magnet programs. Thanks for BOE.

I agree

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lottery is killing the magnet programs. Thanks for BOE.

Like the mega million lottery, does MCPS show lottery picking on TV? How do you know if someone change the pick based on race?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This region has astronomically more qualified kids than seats.

I don’t disagree with you BUT if there were enough seats for every single kid labeled as gifted you would have segregated schools. Smart schools and regular schools. That’s not ok. They need to stop pulling the gifted and bright kids out of their neighborhood schools and provide them with advanced work at their home school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lottery is killing the magnet programs. Thanks for BOE.

Like the mega million lottery, does MCPS show lottery picking on TV? How do you know if someone change the pick based on race?

I would not trust anyone at MCPS with all the issues going on

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They don’t want to get sued.

They do not want to get sued for what? Is this a relavent post?

Yes, it is. They want to avoid the legal problems of TJ and Harvard. I recall there also was similar legal action against TPMS the first year they changed the criteria.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They don’t want to get sued.

They do not want to get sued for what? Is this a relavent post?

Yes, it is. They want to avoid the legal problems of TJ and Harvard. I recall there also was similar legal action against TPMS the first year they changed the criteria.

I wonder what happened to those lawsuits. But MCPS is going equity over excellence route.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:They don’t want to get sued.

They do not want to get sued for what? Is this a relavent post?

Yes, it is. They want to avoid the legal problems of TJ and Harvard. I recall there also was similar legal action against TPMS the first year they changed the criteria.

I wonder what happened to those lawsuits. But MCPS is going equity over excellence route.

Really confusion though. Are they doing televised lottery or someone in the basement decide

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Too many Asian and white kids. Not “enough” black and Latino kids who can match Asian/white kids performance

Exactly:

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-files-to-dismiss-magnet-admissions-lawsuit/

MCPS didn't like the outcome of the existing process, so they changed it to a lottery to achieve an outcome they wanted.

+1 The lottery was to ensure MCPS could weasel out of pending lawsuits. I believe they were caught tampering with the admissions criteria of the 2020 class, which helped motivate moving towards a lottery system. Can't claim its discrimination if it's a completely random selection.

Based on the article, it looks like Montgomery county schools are not the place for highly talented anymore. I wonder why enrollments in MCPS schools are down this year. I guess people are going private schools. May be time to move to Virginia and pay our taxes there

Don't let the door hit you on the way out! Oh, and it really wouldn't hurt you to improve your grammar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They don’t want to get sued.

They do not want to get sued for what? Is this a relavent post?

Yes, it is. They want to avoid the legal problems of TJ and Harvard. I recall there also was similar legal action against TPMS the first year they changed the criteria.

I wonder what happened to those lawsuits. But MCPS is going equity over excellence route.

Really confusion though. Are they doing televised lottery or someone in the basement decide

Huh? Translation, please. Into English, please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Too many Asian and white kids. Not “enough” black and Latino kids who can match Asian/white kids performance

Exactly:

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-files-to-dismiss-magnet-admissions-lawsuit/

MCPS didn't like the outcome of the existing process, so they changed it to a lottery to achieve an outcome they wanted.

+1 The lottery was to ensure MCPS could weasel out of pending lawsuits. I believe they were caught tampering with the admissions criteria of the 2020 class, which helped motivate moving towards a lottery system. Can't claim its discrimination if it's a completely random selection.

Based on the article, it looks like Montgomery county schools are not the place for highly talented anymore. I wonder why enrollments in MCPS schools are down this year. I guess people are going private schools. May be time to move to Virginia and pay our taxes there

Don't let the door hit you on the way out! Oh, and it really wouldn't hurt you to improve your grammar.

When you do not have anything to contribute positive, get personal

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lottery is killing the magnet programs. Thanks for BOE.

I agree

Think they’ll put the superintendent finalists in a lottery pool? See how ridiculous this is?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They don’t want to get sued.

They do not want to get sued for what? Is this a relavent post?

Yes, it is. They want to avoid the legal problems of TJ and Harvard. I recall there also was similar legal action against TPMS the first year they changed the criteria.

I wonder what happened to those lawsuits. But MCPS is going equity over excellence route.

Really confusion though. Are they doing televised lottery or someone in the basement decide

Huh? Translation, please. Into English, please.

troll alert

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lottery is killing the magnet programs. Thanks for BOE.

I agree

Think they’ll put the superintendent finalists in a lottery pool? See how ridiculous this is?

I like the idea of lottery for superintendent