Coaches Intel - The Demise of GA...possibly

[Anonymous]

Here is my quick take…

I think now GA probably only cares about its Champions League Playoffs. That is the only tournament that really showcases it’s few talented clubs. They all run through their respective leagues all year, winning by double digits many times. Those that don’t make the playoffs are happy taking money from families. You look at the results of GA leagues across the country and sadly, they are very very poor.

So yeah, if any of those few top clubs leave, it’s easy to see how quickly GA could fold. Top USYS teams are as good as middle to bottom GA teams. Just look at Beach, Coppermine, FC Frederick, Alexandria and others in our area. They would compete if not beat middle of the pack GA Clubs like Skylines, Celtics, Metros and Sporting Delawares in GA. I will say the same can be said of the very bottom level ECNL teams but nothing more.

I agree with one year GA ending by ‘23

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s the same people who year after year go after BRYC saying they are about to be kicked out of ECNL-they are not.
One year it was supposed to be definite and it was not and now the Loudoun and GA hate. I wonder does this poster spend all their time dreaming up negative things that will not happen? Get back to work.

ECNL has to be seriously considering whacking BRYC. There is just not a single age group that is even slightly competitive. The Loudoun stuff is just poppycock. ECNL knew the older teams would not be terribly successful but the younger teams would likely retain their talent and remain competitive and that is proving true.

Same would go for Arlington. Their younger teams are doing just fine.

Lol You labor under a false premise. The league is not about elite soccer, being competitive or “developing” players. It’s about making money, protecting existing clubs(the bigger the more influence they have in the league) and getting as much money out of their clients as they can. So yes BRYC is fine, is not going anywhere and has no pressure to change. Their decline is more about the area they draw from and all the clubs there vs anything else. They will still put kids in college.

Loudoun has a huge pool of players and can continue to suck at the older ages because no one cares. They can game the ulittles, win, have like 5-6 teams(make a ton of money) and by the time you are U15/u16 it’s over. You are not changing teams at that point, the rosters are set and it is too late develop for college. This is not an attack on Loudoun other clubs do the same thing. Arlington at the lower ages have one coach for two teams. Everyone gets charge the same but the coach is only paying attention to maybe 8-10 kids at the most. The other 22 are basically on their own. Lots of kid fall through the cracks at that programs. It’s a extremely bad way to develop players or teach kids at the young ages but it is cheap and uses less field space. Think if you had a choice at 3rd or 4th grade for your kid. One school will have one teacher for 32 kids. The other will have one teacher for 16 kids. Oh and because of logistics the coach will show up for 1/2 your games if your kid is on the 2nd team you are lucky.

An ECNL club does not get more money for putting kids in college or winning games. There is no pressure to win or develop players. Seriously it is a ticket to print money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s the same people who year after year go after BRYC saying they are about to be kicked out of ECNL-they are not.
One year it was supposed to be definite and it was not and now the Loudoun and GA hate. I wonder does this poster spend all their time dreaming up negative things that will not happen? Get back to work.

ECNL has to be seriously considering whacking BRYC. There is just not a single age group that is even slightly competitive. The Loudoun stuff is just poppycock. ECNL knew the older teams would not be terribly successful but the younger teams would likely retain their talent and remain competitive and that is proving true.

Same would go for Arlington. Their younger teams are doing just fine.

Lol You labor under a false premise. The league is not about elite soccer, being competitive or “developing” players. It’s about making money, protecting existing clubs(the bigger the more influence they have in the league) and getting as much money out of their clients as they can. So yes BRYC is fine, is not going anywhere and has no pressure to change. Their decline is more about the area they draw from and all the clubs there vs anything else. They will still put kids in college.

Loudoun has a huge pool of players and can continue to suck at the older ages because no one cares. They can game the ulittles, win, have like 5-6 teams(make a ton of money) and by the time you are U15/u16 it’s over. You are not changing teams at that point, the rosters are set and it is too late develop for college. This is not an attack on Loudoun other clubs do the same thing. Arlington at the lower ages have one coach for two teams. Everyone gets charge the same but the coach is only paying attention to maybe 8-10 kids at the most. The other 22 are basically on their own. Lots of kid fall through the cracks at that programs. It’s a extremely bad way to develop players or teach kids at the young ages but it is cheap and uses less field space. Think if you had a choice at 3rd or 4th grade for your kid. One school will have one teacher for 32 kids. The other will have one teacher for 16 kids. Oh and because of logistics the coach will show up for 1/2 your games if your kid is on the 2nd team you are lucky.

An ECNL club does not get more money for putting kids in college or winning games. There is no pressure to win or develop players. Seriously it is a ticket to print money.

Well said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s the same people who year after year go after BRYC saying they are about to be kicked out of ECNL-they are not.
One year it was supposed to be definite and it was not and now the Loudoun and GA hate. I wonder does this poster spend all their time dreaming up negative things that will not happen? Get back to work.

ECNL has to be seriously considering whacking BRYC. There is just not a single age group that is even slightly competitive. The Loudoun stuff is just poppycock. ECNL knew the older teams would not be terribly successful but the younger teams would likely retain their talent and remain competitive and that is proving true.

Same would go for Arlington. Their younger teams are doing just fine.

Lol You labor under a false premise. The league is not about elite soccer, being competitive or “developing” players. It’s about making money, protecting existing clubs(the bigger the more influence they have in the league) and getting as much money out of their clients as they can. So yes BRYC is fine, is not going anywhere and has no pressure to change. Their decline is more about the area they draw from and all the clubs there vs anything else. They will still put kids in college.

Loudoun has a huge pool of players and can continue to suck at the older ages because no one cares. They can game the ulittles, win, have like 5-6 teams(make a ton of money) and by the time you are U15/u16 it’s over. You are not changing teams at that point, the rosters are set and it is too late develop for college. This is not an attack on Loudoun other clubs do the same thing. Arlington at the lower ages have one coach for two teams. Everyone gets charge the same but the coach is only paying attention to maybe 8-10 kids at the most. The other 22 are basically on their own. Lots of kid fall through the cracks at that programs. It’s a extremely bad way to develop players or teach kids at the young ages but it is cheap and uses less field space. Think if you had a choice at 3rd or 4th grade for your kid. One school will have one teacher for 32 kids. The other will have one teacher for 16 kids. Oh and because of logistics the coach will show up for 1/2 your games if your kid is on the 2nd team you are lucky.

An ECNL club does not get more money for putting kids in college or winning games. There is no pressure to win or develop players. Seriously it is a ticket to print money.

Oh so Loudoun club exists because parents are too lazy and rich? Man, talk about mentally challenged. Haha

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s the same people who year after year go after BRYC saying they are about to be kicked out of ECNL-they are not.
One year it was supposed to be definite and it was not and now the Loudoun and GA hate. I wonder does this poster spend all their time dreaming up negative things that will not happen? Get back to work.

ECNL has to be seriously considering whacking BRYC. There is just not a single age group that is even slightly competitive. The Loudoun stuff is just poppycock. ECNL knew the older teams would not be terribly successful but the younger teams would likely retain their talent and remain competitive and that is proving true.

Same would go for Arlington. Their younger teams are doing just fine.

Lol You labor under a false premise. The league is not about elite soccer, being competitive or “developing” players. It’s about making money, protecting existing clubs(the bigger the more influence they have in the league) and getting as much money out of their clients as they can. So yes BRYC is fine, is not going anywhere and has no pressure to change. Their decline is more about the area they draw from and all the clubs there vs anything else. They will still put kids in college.

Loudoun has a huge pool of players and can continue to suck at the older ages because no one cares. They can game the ulittles, win, have like 5-6 teams(make a ton of money) and by the time you are U15/u16 it’s over. You are not changing teams at that point, the rosters are set and it is too late develop for college. This is not an attack on Loudoun other clubs do the same thing. Arlington at the lower ages have one coach for two teams. Everyone gets charge the same but the coach is only paying attention to maybe 8-10 kids at the most. The other 22 are basically on their own. Lots of kid fall through the cracks at that programs. It’s a extremely bad way to develop players or teach kids at the young ages but it is cheap and uses less field space. Think if you had a choice at 3rd or 4th grade for your kid. One school will have one teacher for 32 kids. The other will have one teacher for 16 kids. Oh and because of logistics the coach will show up for 1/2 your games if your kid is on the 2nd team you are lucky.

An ECNL club does not get more money for putting kids in college or winning games. There is no pressure to win or develop players. Seriously it is a ticket to print money.

Oh so Loudoun club exists because parents are too lazy and rich? Man, talk about mentally challenged. Haha

That's what you got out of it? To me is was about how ECNL just wants to make money. Just look at how ECNL expanded the playoffs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s the same people who year after year go after BRYC saying they are about to be kicked out of ECNL-they are not.
One year it was supposed to be definite and it was not and now the Loudoun and GA hate. I wonder does this poster spend all their time dreaming up negative things that will not happen? Get back to work.

ECNL has to be seriously considering whacking BRYC. There is just not a single age group that is even slightly competitive. The Loudoun stuff is just poppycock. ECNL knew the older teams would not be terribly successful but the younger teams would likely retain their talent and remain competitive and that is proving true.

Same would go for Arlington. Their younger teams are doing just fine.

Lol You labor under a false premise. The league is not about elite soccer, being competitive or “developing” players. It’s about making money, protecting existing clubs(the bigger the more influence they have in the league) and getting as much money out of their clients as they can. So yes BRYC is fine, is not going anywhere and has no pressure to change. Their decline is more about the area they draw from and all the clubs there vs anything else. They will still put kids in college.

Loudoun has a huge pool of players and can continue to suck at the older ages because no one cares. They can game the ulittles, win, have like 5-6 teams(make a ton of money) and by the time you are U15/u16 it’s over. You are not changing teams at that point, the rosters are set and it is too late develop for college. This is not an attack on Loudoun other clubs do the same thing. Arlington at the lower ages have one coach for two teams. Everyone gets charge the same but the coach is only paying attention to maybe 8-10 kids at the most. The other 22 are basically on their own. Lots of kid fall through the cracks at that programs. It’s a extremely bad way to develop players or teach kids at the young ages but it is cheap and uses less field space. Think if you had a choice at 3rd or 4th grade for your kid. One school will have one teacher for 32 kids. The other will have one teacher for 16 kids. Oh and because of logistics the coach will show up for 1/2 your games if your kid is on the 2nd team you are lucky.

An ECNL club does not get more money for putting kids in college or winning games. There is no pressure to win or develop players. Seriously it is a ticket to print money.

What you said about Loudoun was true in the past, when the top talent left after U12. They are now sticking around, and the results can be seen with significantly better play/records/etc in the U13-U15 age groups (which we the first groups to stay intact after Loudoun getting into ECNL).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s the same people who year after year go after BRYC saying they are about to be kicked out of ECNL-they are not.
One year it was supposed to be definite and it was not and now the Loudoun and GA hate. I wonder does this poster spend all their time dreaming up negative things that will not happen? Get back to work.

ECNL has to be seriously considering whacking BRYC. There is just not a single age group that is even slightly competitive. The Loudoun stuff is just poppycock. ECNL knew the older teams would not be terribly successful but the younger teams would likely retain their talent and remain competitive and that is proving true.

Same would go for Arlington. Their younger teams are doing just fine.

Lol You labor under a false premise. The league is not about elite soccer, being competitive or “developing” players. It’s about making money, protecting existing clubs(the bigger the more influence they have in the league) and getting as much money out of their clients as they can. So yes BRYC is fine, is not going anywhere and has no pressure to change. Their decline is more about the area they draw from and all the clubs there vs anything else. They will still put kids in college.

Loudoun has a huge pool of players and can continue to suck at the older ages because no one cares. They can game the ulittles, win, have like 5-6 teams(make a ton of money) and by the time you are U15/u16 it’s over. You are not changing teams at that point, the rosters are set and it is too late develop for college. This is not an attack on Loudoun other clubs do the same thing. Arlington at the lower ages have one coach for two teams. Everyone gets charge the same but the coach is only paying attention to maybe 8-10 kids at the most. The other 22 are basically on their own. Lots of kid fall through the cracks at that programs. It’s a extremely bad way to develop players or teach kids at the young ages but it is cheap and uses less field space. Think if you had a choice at 3rd or 4th grade for your kid. One school will have one teacher for 32 kids. The other will have one teacher for 16 kids. Oh and because of logistics the coach will show up for 1/2 your games if your kid is on the 2nd team you are lucky.

An ECNL club does not get more money for putting kids in college or winning games. There is no pressure to win or develop players. Seriously it is a ticket to print money.

What you said about Loudoun was true in the past, when the top talent left after U12. They are now sticking around, and the results can be seen with significantly better play/records/etc in the U13-U15 age groups (which we the first groups to stay intact after Loudoun getting into ECNL).

Whatever it makes no difference. What do you or the club or a starter or bench warmer get if Loudoun (pick an age group) wins a national championship? Nothing. Having a real good age group is about getting luck with the athletes, not about coaching or developing otherwise loudoun would be doing better in the older ages..just like all the other clubs in the DMV.

[Anonymous]

Loudoun has become much more active, boys and girls, in picking up players from other clubs in the older age groups, including players from Herndon, Vienna and Arlington - a lot of impact players. That’s understandable for most clubs, but when a club is the only ‘full’ travel club in a fairly big county, it would be nice if they figured out how to develop more than a dozen or two of the 10K players in their player pool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s the same people who year after year go after BRYC saying they are about to be kicked out of ECNL-they are not.
One year it was supposed to be definite and it was not and now the Loudoun and GA hate. I wonder does this poster spend all their time dreaming up negative things that will not happen? Get back to work.

ECNL has to be seriously considering whacking BRYC. There is just not a single age group that is even slightly competitive. The Loudoun stuff is just poppycock. ECNL knew the older teams would not be terribly successful but the younger teams would likely retain their talent and remain competitive and that is proving true.

Same would go for Arlington. Their younger teams are doing just fine.

Lol You labor under a false premise. The league is not about elite soccer, being competitive or “developing” players. It’s about making money, protecting existing clubs(the bigger the more influence they have in the league) and getting as much money out of their clients as they can. So yes BRYC is fine, is not going anywhere and has no pressure to change. Their decline is more about the area they draw from and all the clubs there vs anything else. They will still put kids in college.

Loudoun has a huge pool of players and can continue to suck at the older ages because no one cares. They can game the ulittles, win, have like 5-6 teams(make a ton of money) and by the time you are U15/u16 it’s over. You are not changing teams at that point, the rosters are set and it is too late develop for college. This is not an attack on Loudoun other clubs do the same thing. Arlington at the lower ages have one coach for two teams. Everyone gets charge the same but the coach is only paying attention to maybe 8-10 kids at the most. The other 22 are basically on their own. Lots of kid fall through the cracks at that programs. It’s a extremely bad way to develop players or teach kids at the young ages but it is cheap and uses less field space. Think if you had a choice at 3rd or 4th grade for your kid. One school will have one teacher for 32 kids. The other will have one teacher for 16 kids. Oh and because of logistics the coach will show up for 1/2 your games if your kid is on the 2nd team you are lucky.

An ECNL club does not get more money for putting kids in college or winning games. There is no pressure to win or develop players. Seriously it is a ticket to print money.

What you said about Loudoun was true in the past, when the top talent left after U12. They are now sticking around, and the results can be seen with significantly better play/records/etc in the U13-U15 age groups (which we the first groups to stay intact after Loudoun getting into ECNL).

Whatever it makes no difference. What do you or the club or a starter or bench warmer get if Loudoun (pick an age group) wins a national championship? Nothing. Having a real good age group is about getting luck with the athletes, not about coaching or developing otherwise loudoun would be doing better in the older ages..just like all the other clubs in the DMV.

While I agree with you that a "national championship" isn't the be all end all, it's not entirely meaningless either. Plus there are several flawed, in my opinion, statements you made:

1) Winning attracts talent. People want to play for good teams. Winning isn't everything, but people around here want to be part of a winner.
2) Having a good age group isn't just a factor of luck - that's crap. Talent + coaching makes a good team/age group. And winning attracts more talent. No one wants to be a part of a losing team/mentality. Yes, losses will happen, which is fine, but loss after loss after loss gets old.
3) Competing and winning consistently on a national scale (or least beyond this region) increases connections and looks from college coaches. Which calls are the top college coaches answering/calling back....from the BRYC coach, or from the McLean coach?
4) In the older age groups at Loudoun (think 06 and older), as its been said a thousand times over the years, the best players left for other clubs (think FCV, McLean, etc.) that had the high end platform (think ECNL) when they wrapped up U12 year. Those older teams were just re-branded as ECNL when Loudon got ECNL 3 years ago, but much/most of their elite talent was long gone. They have struggled to bring in new/elite talent (see items #1/2 above).
5) Not doing better...."just" like all the other clubs in the DMV"? What are talking about? BRYC is not doing well. VDA is only doing well in one older age group (06s). Arlington's best result in the older teams is in 8th place. FCV and McLean have some solid teams, but that's expected as that is historically where the talent migrated to from the best players on non-ECNL clubs in the area.

The real reason for the overall lack of success in this area on a broader scale is there are too many "elite" teams. When it was just FCV and McLean, those teams could typically compete nationally. Now, with Arlington, BRYC, VDA, Loudoun, FCV, McLean, and Metro all claiming to be in the "elite" category (or at least participating in the so-called "elite" leagues and marketing to the higher end players), there's too much talent spread.

[Anonymous]

Compete nationally? Without looking it up please list for us what teams won national youth soccer championships last year.

Stop with the compete nationally nonsense. It is not what should be driving youth soccer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Compete nationally? Without looking it up please list for us what teams won national youth soccer championships last year.

Stop with the compete nationally nonsense. It is not what should be driving youth soccer.

Huh? No one said anything about winning a national youth soccer championship last year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Compete nationally? Without looking it up please list for us what teams won national youth soccer championships last year.

Stop with the compete nationally nonsense. It is not what should be driving youth soccer.

But it does. Sure, nobody cares the years after it happened but those who competed get sooooo many more looks. Look no further than the Solar, Blues, LAFC and PDA recruiting classes. Or even MVLA and Tophat. Get back to me with your answer.

To be blunt, even State High School Champions are remembered more with names and year hung somewhere on the High School grounds but D1 schools care about that a lot less than a successful club team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Compete nationally? Without looking it up please list for us what teams won national youth soccer championships last year.

Stop with the compete nationally nonsense. It is not what should be driving youth soccer.

But it does. Sure, nobody cares the years after it happened but those who competed get sooooo many more looks. Look no further than the Solar, Blues, LAFC and PDA recruiting classes. Or even MVLA and Tophat. Get back to me with your answer.

To be blunt, even State High School Champions are remembered more with names and year hung somewhere on the High School grounds but D1 schools care about that a lot less than a successful club team.

And to even further the example, look at the recruiting class of McLean, Bethesda, and FCV from 2012 to 2020. These teams competed nationally at the top level. All of them had close or more than 10 D1 scholarships in good years, some of which even are on USWNT today. Compare that to recent years, and our area has not had near as strong as classes with FCV perhaps being the exception.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Compete nationally? Without looking it up please list for us what teams won national youth soccer championships last year.

Stop with the compete nationally nonsense. It is not what should be driving youth soccer.

But it does. Sure, nobody cares the years after it happened but those who competed get sooooo many more looks. Look no further than the Solar, Blues, LAFC and PDA recruiting classes. Or even MVLA and Tophat. Get back to me with your answer.

To be blunt, even State High School Champions are remembered more with names and year hung somewhere on the High School grounds but D1 schools care about that a lot less than a successful club team.

And to even further the example, look at the recruiting class of McLean, Bethesda, and FCV from 2012 to 2020. These teams competed nationally at the top level. All of them had close or more than 10 D1 scholarships in good years, some of which even are on USWNT today. Compare that to recent years, and our area has not had near as strong as classes with FCV perhaps being the exception.

Becuase the players are talented. That is what is getting recruited. The talented players from teams that don't win nationally are getting recruited. You act like these college coaches are idiots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s the same people who year after year go after BRYC saying they are about to be kicked out of ECNL-they are not.
One year it was supposed to be definite and it was not and now the Loudoun and GA hate. I wonder does this poster spend all their time dreaming up negative things that will not happen? Get back to work.

ECNL has to be seriously considering whacking BRYC. There is just not a single age group that is even slightly competitive. The Loudoun stuff is just poppycock. ECNL knew the older teams would not be terribly successful but the younger teams would likely retain their talent and remain competitive and that is proving true.

Same would go for Arlington. Their younger teams are doing just fine.

Lol You labor under a false premise. The league is not about elite soccer, being competitive or “developing” players. It’s about making money, protecting existing clubs(the bigger the more influence they have in the league) and getting as much money out of their clients as they can. So yes BRYC is fine, is not going anywhere and has no pressure to change. Their decline is more about the area they draw from and all the clubs there vs anything else. They will still put kids in college.

Loudoun has a huge pool of players and can continue to suck at the older ages because no one cares. They can game the ulittles, win, have like 5-6 teams(make a ton of money) and by the time you are U15/u16 it’s over. You are not changing teams at that point, the rosters are set and it is too late develop for college. This is not an attack on Loudoun other clubs do the same thing. Arlington at the lower ages have one coach for two teams. Everyone gets charge the same but the coach is only paying attention to maybe 8-10 kids at the most. The other 22 are basically on their own. Lots of kid fall through the cracks at that programs. It’s a extremely bad way to develop players or teach kids at the young ages but it is cheap and uses less field space. Think if you had a choice at 3rd or 4th grade for your kid. One school will have one teacher for 32 kids. The other will have one teacher for 16 kids. Oh and because of logistics the coach will show up for 1/2 your games if your kid is on the 2nd team you are lucky.

An ECNL club does not get more money for putting kids in college or winning games. There is no pressure to win or develop players. Seriously it is a ticket to print money.

Translation, I’m a FCV parent and since FCV isn’t in ECNL even though we are superior to BRYC that means ECNL only cares about money. The day FCV somehow gets in ECNL then that day ECNL will be the superior league.