George Mason

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Anonymous wrote:I want to like GMU and I think it's great for career purposes, BUT the people I know who have gone or do go there, they go home every weekend. Even if they have to live there during the week, it is not a typical college experience on the weekends. The kids I know go home because everyone else does, not because they want to, but they'd rather not sit alone in their dorm room all weekend.

Perhaps because you live locally so obviously you would know only the local DMV students who probably do go home every weekend. My kid DMVdormed with international students, and Las Vegas students, Alaska, etc. Many financially strapped families in the DMV area are thrilled with GMU because they can petition for a waiver of the first-year residence requirement. I know a number of families who could not afford a four-year private university only because their kids lived at home while studying. I know several whose parents could not afford a private and this is how they went through college. It's also a common practice amongst asian american TJ families who are saving up for grad school - undergrad is just a stepping stone and it's all about GPA and performance in order to get onto the next level. If you live locally, it's not surprising at all that you might see that. But go and read on wikipedia or elsewhere the diversity of the student body. They've got kids from 130 countries and all 50 states making it the most diverse campus in Virginia. Those kids don't go home. Google it.

Undergrad population is 81 percent in state. That's a lot of local students.

But that's because it is a STATE SCHOOL chartered and financed by the Commonwealth of Virginia for Virginia's students. UVA similarly has a 2/3 Virginian population. At 67%. IF the universities tried to cut anymore, the outcry from Virginian parents will make the Commonwealth do what happened in the U.C. system, which is to cut the UC back to only 10$ OOS. "Why am I paying all these taxes when my own kid can't get into a Californian school". And, by the way, Virginia is a big, diverse state. These aren't "Local students". They come from very different backgrounds all over the state. It has diversity in terms of race; economic diversity (DD housed with a very poor roommate from the southern part of the state who taught DD how to shop at Goodwill); cultural differences; socioeconomic (compare the density and accomplishment and wealth of parents in NOVA to that in the western and southern parts of the state). Virginia also has very white areas/very black areas, etc. All those students come to Geoge Mason - along with students form 130 other countries and 50 other states. That's why it is called the most diverse university in the commonwealth. Look it up!

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According to the latest SCHEV numbers, 81 percent of GMU students are in state. Of them, 9842 GMU undergrads are from Fairfax County, 3782 are from Prince William, and 3813 are from Loudoun. After that, no city or county in VA sends more than a couple hundred.

UVA, in contrast, is only 67 percent in state, and those in state students are much more spread out. For every from Virginia Beach attending UVA, there are five students from Fairfax. At GMU it's 27 to 1. Virginia Beach and Prince William County are almost identical in population and send almost identical numbers to UVA: 572 and 571. At GMU, students from Prince William outnumber students from GMU by nearly 7 to 1.

GMU's racially diverse student body is a reflection of the racial diversity of NOVA more generally. Because at bottom GMU remains a NOVA-centric school.

Nevertheless, GMU remains the most innovative and diverse campus in Virginia. https://www2.gmu.edu/news/2021-09/mason-leads-virginia-innovation-and-diversity-engineering-numbers-climb-latest-us-news#:~:text=George%20Mason%20University%20is%20the,of%20providing%20access%20to%20excellence.

GMU remains the most innovative and diverse commuter school in Virginia.

That sounds like you are trying to make a backhanded insult or something.

Ha ha. I'm just saying that, yes, GMU has a lot to offer but its undergraduate enrollment is still largely local whether the boosters care to admit it or not.

But it’s a real research university that’s easy to get into and has a jitney bus to DC. It seems like an extreme value stock of a school.

Sure it’s a value. But it’s not the “college experience” that a lot of 18 year olds want. Graduation rate of less than 70%. Typical of a commuter school.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to like GMU and I think it's great for career purposes, BUT the people I know who have gone or do go there, they go home every weekend. Even if they have to live there during the week, it is not a typical college experience on the weekends. The kids I know go home because everyone else does, not because they want to, but they'd rather not sit alone in their dorm room all weekend.

Perhaps because you live locally so obviously you would know only the local DMV students who probably do go home every weekend. My kid DMVdormed with international students, and Las Vegas students, Alaska, etc. Many financially strapped families in the DMV area are thrilled with GMU because they can petition for a waiver of the first-year residence requirement. I know a number of families who could not afford a four-year private university only because their kids lived at home while studying. I know several whose parents could not afford a private and this is how they went through college. It's also a common practice amongst asian american TJ families who are saving up for grad school - undergrad is just a stepping stone and it's all about GPA and performance in order to get onto the next level. If you live locally, it's not surprising at all that you might see that. But go and read on wikipedia or elsewhere the diversity of the student body. They've got kids from 130 countries and all 50 states making it the most diverse campus in Virginia. Those kids don't go home. Google it.

Undergrad population is 81 percent in state. That's a lot of local students.

But that's because it is a STATE SCHOOL chartered and financed by the Commonwealth of Virginia for Virginia's students. UVA similarly has a 2/3 Virginian population. At 67%. IF the universities tried to cut anymore, the outcry from Virginian parents will make the Commonwealth do what happened in the U.C. system, which is to cut the UC back to only 10$ OOS. "Why am I paying all these taxes when my own kid can't get into a Californian school". And, by the way, Virginia is a big, diverse state. These aren't "Local students". They come from very different backgrounds all over the state. It has diversity in terms of race; economic diversity (DD housed with a very poor roommate from the southern part of the state who taught DD how to shop at Goodwill); cultural differences; socioeconomic (compare the density and accomplishment and wealth of parents in NOVA to that in the western and southern parts of the state). Virginia also has very white areas/very black areas, etc. All those students come to Geoge Mason - along with students form 130 other countries and 50 other states. That's why it is called the most diverse university in the commonwealth. Look it up!

Hi SCHEV guy! I knew you'd show up.

According to the latest SCHEV numbers, 81 percent of GMU students are in state. Of them, 9842 GMU undergrads are from Fairfax County, 3782 are from Prince William, and 3813 are from Loudoun. After that, no city or county in VA sends more than a couple hundred.

UVA, in contrast, is only 67 percent in state, and those in state students are much more spread out. For every from Virginia Beach attending UVA, there are five students from Fairfax. At GMU it's 27 to 1. Virginia Beach and Prince William County are almost identical in population and send almost identical numbers to UVA: 572 and 571. At GMU, students from Prince William outnumber students from GMU by nearly 7 to 1.

GMU's racially diverse student body is a reflection of the racial diversity of NOVA more generally. Because at bottom GMU remains a NOVA-centric school.

Nevertheless, GMU remains the most innovative and diverse campus in Virginia. https://www2.gmu.edu/news/2021-09/mason-leads-virginia-innovation-and-diversity-engineering-numbers-climb-latest-us-news#:~:text=George%20Mason%20University%20is%20the,of%20providing%20access%20to%20excellence.

GMU remains the most innovative and diverse commuter school in Virginia.

That sounds like you are trying to make a backhanded insult or something.

Ha ha. I'm just saying that, yes, GMU has a lot to offer but its undergraduate enrollment is still largely local whether the boosters care to admit it or not.

Did it ever dawn on your smart guy that that may be because Fairfax County, Nova, etc. is the most populous part of Virginia by far? By the numbers the same is true at UVA. Fairfax County sends some 680 students to UVA every year (class is only 4,000). Arlingotn, too. Loudon is the next largest counties. There are counties to the west and south of Virginia that send no one to UVA to GMU because they simply don't have the applicants.

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Here is UVA by county and municipality. Note Fairfax sends 676 for a class of 4,000. Note the counties to the south and west that send zero or 1 or students. It's called demographics. https://digital.uvamagazine.org/articles/2020-insight/

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Anonymous wrote:I want to like GMU and I think it's great for career purposes, BUT the people I know who have gone or do go there, they go home every weekend. Even if they have to live there during the week, it is not a typical college experience on the weekends. The kids I know go home because everyone else does, not because they want to, but they'd rather not sit alone in their dorm room all weekend.

Perhaps because you live locally so obviously you would know only the local DMV students who probably do go home every weekend. My kid DMVdormed with international students, and Las Vegas students, Alaska, etc. Many financially strapped families in the DMV area are thrilled with GMU because they can petition for a waiver of the first-year residence requirement. I know a number of families who could not afford a four-year private university only because their kids lived at home while studying. I know several whose parents could not afford a private and this is how they went through college. It's also a common practice amongst asian american TJ families who are saving up for grad school - undergrad is just a stepping stone and it's all about GPA and performance in order to get onto the next level. If you live locally, it's not surprising at all that you might see that. But go and read on wikipedia or elsewhere the diversity of the student body. They've got kids from 130 countries and all 50 states making it the most diverse campus in Virginia. Those kids don't go home. Google it.

Undergrad population is 81 percent in state. That's a lot of local students.

But that's because it is a STATE SCHOOL chartered and financed by the Commonwealth of Virginia for Virginia's students. UVA similarly has a 2/3 Virginian population. At 67%. IF the universities tried to cut anymore, the outcry from Virginian parents will make the Commonwealth do what happened in the U.C. system, which is to cut the UC back to only 10$ OOS. "Why am I paying all these taxes when my own kid can't get into a Californian school". And, by the way, Virginia is a big, diverse state. These aren't "Local students". They come from very different backgrounds all over the state. It has diversity in terms of race; economic diversity (DD housed with a very poor roommate from the southern part of the state who taught DD how to shop at Goodwill); cultural differences; socioeconomic (compare the density and accomplishment and wealth of parents in NOVA to that in the western and southern parts of the state). Virginia also has very white areas/very black areas, etc. All those students come to Geoge Mason - along with students form 130 other countries and 50 other states. That's why it is called the most diverse university in the commonwealth. Look it up!

Hi SCHEV guy! I knew you'd show up.

According to the latest SCHEV numbers, 81 percent of GMU students are in state. Of them, 9842 GMU undergrads are from Fairfax County, 3782 are from Prince William, and 3813 are from Loudoun. After that, no city or county in VA sends more than a couple hundred.

UVA, in contrast, is only 67 percent in state, and those in state students are much more spread out. For every from Virginia Beach attending UVA, there are five students from Fairfax. At GMU it's 27 to 1. Virginia Beach and Prince William County are almost identical in population and send almost identical numbers to UVA: 572 and 571. At GMU, students from Prince William outnumber students from GMU by nearly 7 to 1.

GMU's racially diverse student body is a reflection of the racial diversity of NOVA more generally. Because at bottom GMU remains a NOVA-centric school.

Nevertheless, GMU remains the most innovative and diverse campus in Virginia. https://www2.gmu.edu/news/2021-09/mason-leads-virginia-innovation-and-diversity-engineering-numbers-climb-latest-us-news#:~:text=George%20Mason%20University%20is%20the,of%20providing%20access%20to%20excellence.

GMU remains the most innovative and diverse commuter school in Virginia.

That sounds like you are trying to make a backhanded insult or something.

Ha ha. I'm just saying that, yes, GMU has a lot to offer but its undergraduate enrollment is still largely local whether the boosters care to admit it or not.

But it’s a real research university that’s easy to get into and has a jitney bus to DC. It seems like an extreme value stock of a school.

From wiki re GMU research: The Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education ranks it among "R1: Doctoral Universities – Very high research activity".[13] Two George Mason economics professors have won the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics: James M. Buchanan in 1986 and Vernon L. Smith in 2002.[14]

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Anonymous wrote:We are local and took the full tour at GMU. The campus was well appointed. They made the decision to put the buildings close together which makes it convenient if you live in the dorms. They have so much land that is just being used a buffer to keep the campus separated from the community. This makes for a safer campus, but no diners, shops, private housing, or dive bars close by. It would not keep me from going there, but I can see where it would be off-putting for others.

GMU has jitney buses to take kids into Fairfax, Georgetown, the other three campuses, and downtown DC

Ugh.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to like GMU and I think it's great for career purposes, BUT the people I know who have gone or do go there, they go home every weekend. Even if they have to live there during the week, it is not a typical college experience on the weekends. The kids I know go home because everyone else does, not because they want to, but they'd rather not sit alone in their dorm room all weekend.

Perhaps because you live locally so obviously you would know only the local DMV students who probably do go home every weekend. My kid DMVdormed with international students, and Las Vegas students, Alaska, etc. Many financially strapped families in the DMV area are thrilled with GMU because they can petition for a waiver of the first-year residence requirement. I know a number of families who could not afford a four-year private university only because their kids lived at home while studying. I know several whose parents could not afford a private and this is how they went through college. It's also a common practice amongst asian american TJ families who are saving up for grad school - undergrad is just a stepping stone and it's all about GPA and performance in order to get onto the next level. If you live locally, it's not surprising at all that you might see that. But go and read on wikipedia or elsewhere the diversity of the student body. They've got kids from 130 countries and all 50 states making it the most diverse campus in Virginia. Those kids don't go home. Google it.

Undergrad population is 81 percent in state. That's a lot of local students.

But that's because it is a STATE SCHOOL chartered and financed by the Commonwealth of Virginia for Virginia's students. UVA similarly has a 2/3 Virginian population. At 67%. IF the universities tried to cut anymore, the outcry from Virginian parents will make the Commonwealth do what happened in the U.C. system, which is to cut the UC back to only 10$ OOS. "Why am I paying all these taxes when my own kid can't get into a Californian school". And, by the way, Virginia is a big, diverse state. These aren't "Local students". They come from very different backgrounds all over the state. It has diversity in terms of race; economic diversity (DD housed with a very poor roommate from the southern part of the state who taught DD how to shop at Goodwill); cultural differences; socioeconomic (compare the density and accomplishment and wealth of parents in NOVA to that in the western and southern parts of the state). Virginia also has very white areas/very black areas, etc. All those students come to Geoge Mason - along with students form 130 other countries and 50 other states. That's why it is called the most diverse university in the commonwealth. Look it up!

Hi SCHEV guy! I knew you'd show up.

According to the latest SCHEV numbers, 81 percent of GMU students are in state. Of them, 9842 GMU undergrads are from Fairfax County, 3782 are from Prince William, and 3813 are from Loudoun. After that, no city or county in VA sends more than a couple hundred.

UVA, in contrast, is only 67 percent in state, and those in state students are much more spread out. For every from Virginia Beach attending UVA, there are five students from Fairfax. At GMU it's 27 to 1. Virginia Beach and Prince William County are almost identical in population and send almost identical numbers to UVA: 572 and 571. At GMU, students from Prince William outnumber students from GMU by nearly 7 to 1.

GMU's racially diverse student body is a reflection of the racial diversity of NOVA more generally. Because at bottom GMU remains a NOVA-centric school.

Nevertheless, GMU remains the most innovative and diverse campus in Virginia. https://www2.gmu.edu/news/2021-09/mason-leads-virginia-innovation-and-diversity-engineering-numbers-climb-latest-us-news#:~:text=George%20Mason%20University%20is%20the,of%20providing%20access%20to%20excellence.

GMU remains the most innovative and diverse commuter school in Virginia.

That sounds like you are trying to make a backhanded insult or something.

Ha ha. I'm just saying that, yes, GMU has a lot to offer but its undergraduate enrollment is still largely local whether the boosters care to admit it or not.

Did it ever dawn on your smart guy that that may be because Fairfax County, Nova, etc. is the most populous part of Virginia by far? By the numbers the same is true at UVA. Fairfax County sends some 680 students to UVA every year (class is only 4,000). Arlingotn, too. Loudon is the next largest counties. There are counties to the west and south of Virginia that send no one to UVA to GMU because they simply don't have the applicants.

Of course it "dawns on me" that GMU's location has a lot to do with this. But that doesn't make it any less true. And your comparison with UVA is nonsense. 63 percent of GMU's total undergraduate enrollment is from NOVA. At UVA the number is 35 percent. UVA has roughly the same number of students from out of state as NOVA students. At GMU the ratio is 3 to 1.

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GMU is a very good school. DD recently graduated from GMU with a CS degree and is currently working for Apple in the Reston office with a salary 125K/year. The company is also paying for DD's MBA degree at Georgetown. DD is on a fast track into management. Not much of a difference between GMU, UVA and VT when it comes to CS, only perception and not reality.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to like GMU and I think it's great for career purposes, BUT the people I know who have gone or do go there, they go home every weekend. Even if they have to live there during the week, it is not a typical college experience on the weekends. The kids I know go home because everyone else does, not because they want to, but they'd rather not sit alone in their dorm room all weekend.

Stayed a summer there and had parties in my dorm. Had boys including models hang/take me out to the local shops on weekends. Went to different international events and concerts on the weekends and bbqs every week. Did you even check the Eagle Bank Arena schedule? When the summer semester ended, I would purposely drive to Fairfax just to eat the amazing food at the Globe (professional hotel steam oven). It really depends on your kids personality.

Not having a typical college experience (thousands aren't typical?) can be a very good thing-UVa's Alpha Phi sorority sent my name to a collection agency, not for a single/late payment, but for dare trying to quit. I met my husband (also did his undergrad at UVa) at a Mason social event when we were both working in the area. If your kid is real snooty though/anti-international/anti-minority/desperate only for a date/etc, he will struggle. There was one girl I met at GMU who posted she wanted to go out and when I offered, she shut me down saying she wanted to meet boys. I knew lots of single boys in the hall to introduce, but she shut me out before I got the chance.

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Um, yea, it's a commuter school:

http://gmufourthestate.com/2019/09/09/mason-is-a-commuter-school/

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Anonymous wrote:Um, yea, it's a commuter school:

http://gmufourthestate.com/2019/09/09/mason-is-a-commuter-school/

No, that's a piece written by a student for a student newspaper. He is arguing that the school provides much more support for the on-campus students than it does for the off-campus students. So it's a commentary piece by a student written in 2019 suggesting that more personnel need to be assigned to cover the off-campus students. But he's not taking into account all the reasons that more employees are needed to meet the needs of the on-campus student such as housing, repairs to dorms, conflict resolution, meal service issues, and the list goes on forever. It's a rather banal piece, actually.

Here is the link for the information on when Carneigie changed the designation 12 years ago: "The Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching has moved George Mason University into the “primarily residential” category, ..." http://collegeexplorations.blogspot.com/2011/01/three-virginia-universities-drop.html

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I guess Op the main takeaway is that a lot of people feel that it’s a commuter school and then there are people who think that it’s not and/or it doesn’t matter. We are never going to settle the commuter or not but clearly there’s a large proportion that do go home on the weekend otherwise so many people would not have mentioned it.

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Anonymous wrote:How does GMU compare to JMU for Finance/Accounting?

OOOOH don't go into finance/accounting. The jobs in that industry that haven't been outsourced to India will soon be outsourced to AI/machine learning. If you DO go, learn the digital side of things.

We will have to disagree--not everything is going to India/AI this generation. To the question posed, JMU is a bit stronger, particularly in accounting. Big 4 and a bunch of high end niche firms (think forensic, valuation etc.) recruit heavily @ JMU and the employment placement and CPA pass rate numbers are superb. If Mason is preferred, I do like the idea of doing a combination cyber security and audit/accounting...great internship opportunities (even during the school year) and guaranteed $80K to start and six figures in a couple of years even if a mediocre performer. Can't go wrong @ either place as long as you pick a marketable major.

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Koch Brothers University. No thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:Koch Brothers University. No thank you.

If you're going to boycott every college that the Koch family gives to, you're going to have a very short list remaining. The list includes American U, Boston U, Brown, Carnegie Mellon, CUNY, Columbia, Dartmouth, Duke, Georgetown, George Washington, Georgia Tech, Harvard, Indiana, Johns Hopkins, MIT, Rice, Stanford, UC Berkeley, UMD, Wisconsin, Yale.....just to name a few.

https://charleskochfoundation.org/who-we-support/partner-organizations/

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Anonymous wrote:Koch Brothers University. No thank you.

If you're going to boycott every college that the Koch family gives to, you're going to have a very short list remaining. The list includes American U, Boston U, Brown, Carnegie Mellon, CUNY, Columbia, Dartmouth, Duke, Georgetown, George Washington, Georgia Tech, Harvard, Indiana, Johns Hopkins, MIT, Rice, Stanford, UC Berkeley, UMD, Wisconsin, Yale.....just to name a few.

https://charleskochfoundation.org/who-we-support/partner-organizations/

HEHEHE.