Do Atheists believe in the bad angels or demons?

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Anonymous wrote:Question: do you genuinely believe you can summon a demon? Like what, draw a baphomet and have one appear?

If so you might want to lay off whatever substances you've been taking.
Or you've been watching too much Supernatural .

Summoning a demon is a thing that people across cultures and throughout history have addressed in probably every aspect of human communication and expression, and you think op is on drugs?

DP here.

The reference to substances was clearly not literal.

No credible evidence exists of someone "summoning a demon". If any did, this discussion would not exist. I am guessing that was PP's point minus the hyperbole.

No, nobody knows if demons can actually be summoned. But it’s a very wondered about and discussed topic. It’s not something only high people think about.

Huh? What do you mean nobody knows? I know. The answer is no, and I know that because there is no compelling proof of it that has ever been offered to me.

So you believe that only things that have been proven to you specifically exist?

DP - Only things that I have seen evidence of, yes. To me that is entirely logical.

Logic and science can’t prove or disprove things like demons. Nor can working for a judge.

Right, you can't disprove a negative. You can't disprove leprechauns. You can't disprove Voldemort or Spider-man. But you don't believe in those, do you? Of course not. Because there is no evidence they are real.

Leprechauns are small solitary men that are drives from Irish folklore. They wear green clothing, like to cause mischief, and look for gold at the end of a rainbow. The earliest known reference to the leprechaun appears in the medieval tale known as the Echtra Fergus mac Léti (Adventure of Fergus son of Léti). The text contains an episode in which Fergus mac Léti, King of Ulster, falls asleep on the beach and wakes to find himself being dragged into the sea by three lúchorpáin. He captures his abductors, who grant him three wishes in exchange for release. The leprechaun has been classed as a "solitary fairy" by the writer and amateur folklorist William Butler Yeats. Leprechaun and folktales about them exist only in Ireland.

Voldemort is a fictional character from JK Rowling’s Harry Potter series.

Spider-Man is a superhero created by writer-editor Stan Lee and writer-artist Steve Ditko. He first appeared in the anthology comic book Amazing Fantasy #15 (Aug. 1962) in the Silver Age of Comic Books. He appears in American comic books published by Marvel Comics and in movies, television shows, and video game adaptations set in the Marvel Universe. Spider-Man is the alias of Peter Parker, an orphan raised by his Aunt May and Uncle Ben in New York City after his parents Richard and Mary Parker died in a plane crash.

How are these three things related to God? It’s easy to prove all three of these things are creations of man/woman. We know where each came from and all three are very well known.

You know the Bible is a book, right?

Yes. So why is the Bible and God equal to leprechauns in the tradition of Irish folklore, Voldemort from JK Rowling’s Harry Potter series, the comic book creation of Stan Lee and Steve Ditko?

To atheists, there is no difference between Irish folklore and Hebraic folklore, or the bible and the Harry Potter series. They are all inventions of men.

So, no. We don't believe in angels, and if I performed whatever demon-summoning ritual there is, I don't believe anything would happen, so I wouldn't have a problem doing it, except possibly feeling inconvenienced by the time I have to spend on it.

You don't have to believe that, OP. But you asked what atheists believe. There you go.

So every atheist believes exactly what you typed above? All atheists believe the same thing about Spider Man, Voldemort, Leprechauns, and God and the Bible?

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The Bible is not Hebraic folklore. Jewish folklore are legends, music, oral history, proverbs, jokes, popular beliefs, fairy tales, stories, tall tales, and customs that are the traditions of Judaism. Folktales are characterized by the presence of unusual personages, by the sudden transformation of men into beasts and vice versa, or by other unnatural incidents. A number of aggadic stories bear folktale characteristics, especially those relating to Og, King of Bashan, which have the same exaggerations as have the lügenmärchen of modern German folktales.

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I'm not an atheist, but I'll play one on Dcum.

No need to summon the demons, they're among us.

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To atheists, there is no difference between Irish folklore and Hebraic folklore, or the bible and the Harry Potter series. They are all inventions of men.

I can’t speak for anyone else, but this is certainly true for me.

Does anyone really dispute that the bible was written by men?

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Yes. So why is the Bible and God equal to leprechauns in the tradition of Irish folklore, Voldemort from JK Rowling’s Harry Potter series, the comic book creation of Stan Lee and Steve Ditko?

To atheists, there is no difference between Irish folklore and Hebraic folklore, or the bible and the Harry Potter series. They are all inventions of men.

So, no. We don't believe in angels, and if I performed whatever demon-summoning ritual there is, I don't believe anything would happen, so I wouldn't have a problem doing it, except possibly feeling inconvenienced by the time I have to spend on it.

You don't have to believe that, OP. But you asked what atheists believe. There you go.

So every atheist believes exactly what you typed above? All atheists believe the same thing about Spider Man, Voldemort, Leprechauns, and God and the Bible?

NP here, and another atheist. Do I believe as PP says that the Bible is an invention of humankind? Yes. Although I would never say "all atheists believe X" because I don't think there are really any rules without exceptions. So many some atheist out there thinks the Bible is slightly more special. But most of us think it's just as made up as any other work of fiction (or historically-influenced fiction).

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I don’t know if it was *intended* as fiction. Who knows, life was so full of mystery back then maybe the authors actually believed that stuff.

People believed all sorts of crazy stuff back then.

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Anonymous wrote:The Bible is not Hebraic folklore. Jewish folklore are legends, music, oral history, proverbs, jokes, popular beliefs, fairy tales, stories, tall tales, and customs that are the traditions of Judaism. Folktales are characterized by the presence of unusual personages, by the sudden transformation of men into beasts and vice versa, or by other unnatural incidents. A number of aggadic stories bear folktale characteristics, especially those relating to Og, King of Bashan, which have the same exaggerations as have the lügenmärchen of modern German folktales.

Sounds like the bible to me.

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Yes. So why is the Bible and God equal to leprechauns in the tradition of Irish folklore, Voldemort from JK Rowling’s Harry Potter series, the comic book creation of Stan Lee and Steve Ditko?

To atheists, there is no difference between Irish folklore and Hebraic folklore, or the bible and the Harry Potter series. They are all inventions of men.

So, no. We don't believe in angels, and if I performed whatever demon-summoning ritual there is, I don't believe anything would happen, so I wouldn't have a problem doing it, except possibly feeling inconvenienced by the time I have to spend on it.

You don't have to believe that, OP. But you asked what atheists believe. There you go.

So every atheist believes exactly what you typed above? All atheists believe the same thing about Spider Man, Voldemort, Leprechauns, and God and the Bible?

NP here, and another atheist. Do I believe as PP says that the Bible is an invention of humankind? Yes. Although I would never say "all atheists believe X" because I don't think there are really any rules without exceptions. So many some atheist out there thinks the Bible is slightly more special. But most of us think it's just as made up as any other work of fiction (or historically-influenced fiction).

Also tbh, I haven't polled atheists for their views on Spider Man. But generally, yes, atheists believe that the bible is a man made work of fiction. One that's been extremely influential, but no more than that.

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Anonymous wrote:Question: do you genuinely believe you can summon a demon? Like what, draw a baphomet and have one appear?

If so you might want to lay off whatever substances you've been taking.
Or you've been watching too much Supernatural .

Summoning a demon is a thing that people across cultures and throughout history have addressed in probably every aspect of human communication and expression, and you think op is on drugs?

DP here.

The reference to substances was clearly not literal.

No credible evidence exists of someone "summoning a demon". If any did, this discussion would not exist. I am guessing that was PP's point minus the hyperbole.

No, nobody knows if demons can actually be summoned. But it’s a very wondered about and discussed topic. It’s not something only high people think about.

Huh? What do you mean nobody knows? I know. The answer is no, and I know that because there is no compelling proof of it that has ever been offered to me.

So you believe that only things that have been proven to you specifically exist?

DP - Only things that I have seen evidence of, yes. To me that is entirely logical.

Logic and science can’t prove or disprove things like demons. Nor can working for a judge.

Right, you can't disprove a negative. You can't disprove leprechauns. You can't disprove Voldemort or Spider-man. But you don't believe in those, do you? Of course not. Because there is no evidence they are real.

Leprechauns are small solitary men that are drives from Irish folklore. They wear green clothing, like to cause mischief, and look for gold at the end of a rainbow. The earliest known reference to the leprechaun appears in the medieval tale known as the Echtra Fergus mac Léti (Adventure of Fergus son of Léti). The text contains an episode in which Fergus mac Léti, King of Ulster, falls asleep on the beach and wakes to find himself being dragged into the sea by three lúchorpáin. He captures his abductors, who grant him three wishes in exchange for release. The leprechaun has been classed as a "solitary fairy" by the writer and amateur folklorist William Butler Yeats. Leprechaun and folktales about them exist only in Ireland.

Voldemort is a fictional character from JK Rowling’s Harry Potter series.

Spider-Man is a superhero created by writer-editor Stan Lee and writer-artist Steve Ditko. He first appeared in the anthology comic book Amazing Fantasy #15 (Aug. 1962) in the Silver Age of Comic Books. He appears in American comic books published by Marvel Comics and in movies, television shows, and video game adaptations set in the Marvel Universe. Spider-Man is the alias of Peter Parker, an orphan raised by his Aunt May and Uncle Ben in New York City after his parents Richard and Mary Parker died in a plane crash.

How are these three things related to God? It’s easy to prove all three of these things are creations of man/woman. We know where each came from and all three are very well known.

You know the Bible is a book, right?

Yes. So why is the Bible and God equal to leprechauns in the tradition of Irish folklore, Voldemort from JK Rowling’s Harry Potter series, the comic book creation of Stan Lee and Steve Ditko?

To atheists, there is no difference between Irish folklore and Hebraic folklore, or the bible and the Harry Potter series. They are all inventions of men.

So, no. We don't believe in angels, and if I performed whatever demon-summoning ritual there is, I don't believe anything would happen, so I wouldn't have a problem doing it, except possibly feeling inconvenienced by the time I have to spend on it.

You don't have to believe that, OP. But you asked what atheists believe. There you go.

So every atheist believes exactly what you typed above? All atheists believe the same thing about Spider Man, Voldemort, Leprechauns, and God and the Bible?

An atheist is usually defined as someone who does not believe in a god or gods. It has no position on leprechauns (unless you define those as gods) and therefore nothing to do with them.

My reference to leprechauns and Voldemort and Spider-Man was explicitly about what I believe and why, and I asked if you believed in the them. You did not answer that, and it is obvious why you avoided that.

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Right, you can't disprove a negative. You can't disprove leprechauns. You can't disprove Voldemort or Spider-man. But you don't believe in those, do you? Of course not. Because there is no evidence they are real.

Leprechauns are small solitary men that are drives from Irish folklore. They wear green clothing, like to cause mischief, and look for gold at the end of a rainbow. The earliest known reference to the leprechaun appears in the medieval tale known as the Echtra Fergus mac Léti (Adventure of Fergus son of Léti). The text contains an episode in which Fergus mac Léti, King of Ulster, falls asleep on the beach and wakes to find himself being dragged into the sea by three lúchorpáin. He captures his abductors, who grant him three wishes in exchange for release. The leprechaun has been classed as a "solitary fairy" by the writer and amateur folklorist William Butler Yeats. Leprechaun and folktales about them exist only in Ireland.

Voldemort is a fictional character from JK Rowling’s Harry Potter series.

Spider-Man is a superhero created by writer-editor Stan Lee and writer-artist Steve Ditko. He first appeared in the anthology comic book Amazing Fantasy #15 (Aug. 1962) in the Silver Age of Comic Books. He appears in American comic books published by Marvel Comics and in movies, television shows, and video game adaptations set in the Marvel Universe. Spider-Man is the alias of Peter Parker, an orphan raised by his Aunt May and Uncle Ben in New York City after his parents Richard and Mary Parker died in a plane crash.

How are these three things related to God? It’s easy to prove all three of these things are creations of man/woman. We know where each came from and all three are very well known.

Your post is long and thoughtful. But yet you cannot see the irony in your post.

Do you need me to explain it? I am guessing you don't, but I will if you wish.

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Anonymous wrote:The Bible is not Hebraic folklore. Jewish folklore are legends, music, oral history, proverbs, jokes, popular beliefs, fairy tales, stories, tall tales, and customs that are the traditions of Judaism. Folktales are characterized by the presence of unusual personages, by the sudden transformation of men into beasts and vice versa, or by other unnatural incidents. A number of aggadic stories bear folktale characteristics, especially those relating to Og, King of Bashan, which have the same exaggerations as have the lügenmärchen of modern German folktales.

Sounds like the bible to me.

The Bible (from Koine Greek τὰ βιβλία, tà biblía, 'the books') is a collection of religious texts, writings, or scriptures sacred in Judaism, Samaritanism, Christianity, Islam, Rastafari, and many other faiths. It appears in the form of an anthology, a compilation of texts of a variety of forms that are all linked by the belief that they are collectively revelations of God. These texts include theologically-focused historical accounts, hymns, prayers, proverbs, parables, didactic letters, admonitions, essays, poetry, and prophecies.

So no, Jewish and German and Irish folklore, and the Harry Potter series, and Spider-Man Comics are not the same as the Bible.

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Right, you can't disprove a negative. You can't disprove leprechauns. You can't disprove Voldemort or Spider-man. But you don't believe in those, do you? Of course not. Because there is no evidence they are real.

Leprechauns are small solitary men that are drives from Irish folklore. They wear green clothing, like to cause mischief, and look for gold at the end of a rainbow. The earliest known reference to the leprechaun appears in the medieval tale known as the Echtra Fergus mac Léti (Adventure of Fergus son of Léti). The text contains an episode in which Fergus mac Léti, King of Ulster, falls asleep on the beach and wakes to find himself being dragged into the sea by three lúchorpáin. He captures his abductors, who grant him three wishes in exchange for release. The leprechaun has been classed as a "solitary fairy" by the writer and amateur folklorist William Butler Yeats. Leprechaun and folktales about them exist only in Ireland.

Voldemort is a fictional character from JK Rowling’s Harry Potter series.

Spider-Man is a superhero created by writer-editor Stan Lee and writer-artist Steve Ditko. He first appeared in the anthology comic book Amazing Fantasy #15 (Aug. 1962) in the Silver Age of Comic Books. He appears in American comic books published by Marvel Comics and in movies, television shows, and video game adaptations set in the Marvel Universe. Spider-Man is the alias of Peter Parker, an orphan raised by his Aunt May and Uncle Ben in New York City after his parents Richard and Mary Parker died in a plane crash.

How are these three things related to God? It’s easy to prove all three of these things are creations of man/woman. We know where each came from and all three are very well known.

Your post is long and thoughtful. But yet you cannot see the irony in your post.

Do you need me to explain it? I am guessing you don't, but I will if you wish.

Yes explain.

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Anonymous wrote:Question: do you genuinely believe you can summon a demon? Like what, draw a baphomet and have one appear?

If so you might want to lay off whatever substances you've been taking.
Or you've been watching too much Supernatural .

Summoning a demon is a thing that people across cultures and throughout history have addressed in probably every aspect of human communication and expression, and you think op is on drugs?

DP here.

The reference to substances was clearly not literal.

No credible evidence exists of someone "summoning a demon". If any did, this discussion would not exist. I am guessing that was PP's point minus the hyperbole.

No, nobody knows if demons can actually be summoned. But it’s a very wondered about and discussed topic. It’s not something only high people think about.

Huh? What do you mean nobody knows? I know. The answer is no, and I know that because there is no compelling proof of it that has ever been offered to me.

So you believe that only things that have been proven to you specifically exist?

pp is the center of the universe and all knowledge is contained within them.

I mean if I tell you I have an invisible unicorn named Bob and you just have to trust me it exists, are you going to believe me.

I had a job working for a judge and I've seen pure evil that committed unspeakable acts. They were people.

No one knows if Bob the Unicorn exists! We haven’t seen him, but also we have not not seen him, either. Or something like that.
The real question is whether you would be willing to summon Bob on a dare?

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Anonymous wrote:Question: do you genuinely believe you can summon a demon? Like what, draw a baphomet and have one appear?

If so you might want to lay off whatever substances you've been taking.
Or you've been watching too much Supernatural .

Summoning a demon is a thing that people across cultures and throughout history have addressed in probably every aspect of human communication and expression, and you think op is on drugs?

DP here.

The reference to substances was clearly not literal.

No credible evidence exists of someone "summoning a demon". If any did, this discussion would not exist. I am guessing that was PP's point minus the hyperbole.

No, nobody knows if demons can actually be summoned. But it’s a very wondered about and discussed topic. It’s not something only high people think about.

Huh? What do you mean nobody knows? I know. The answer is no, and I know that because there is no compelling proof of it that has ever been offered to me.

So you believe that only things that have been proven to you specifically exist?

DP - Only things that I have seen evidence of, yes. To me that is entirely logical.

Logic and science can’t prove or disprove things like demons. Nor can working for a judge.

Right, you can't disprove a negative. You can't disprove leprechauns. You can't disprove Voldemort or Spider-man. But you don't believe in those, do you? Of course not. Because there is no evidence they are real.

Leprechauns are small solitary men that are drives from Irish folklore. They wear green clothing, like to cause mischief, and look for gold at the end of a rainbow. The earliest known reference to the leprechaun appears in the medieval tale known as the Echtra Fergus mac Léti (Adventure of Fergus son of Léti). The text contains an episode in which Fergus mac Léti, King of Ulster, falls asleep on the beach and wakes to find himself being dragged into the sea by three lúchorpáin. He captures his abductors, who grant him three wishes in exchange for release. The leprechaun has been classed as a "solitary fairy" by the writer and amateur folklorist William Butler Yeats. Leprechaun and folktales about them exist only in Ireland.

Voldemort is a fictional character from JK Rowling’s Harry Potter series.

Spider-Man is a superhero created by writer-editor Stan Lee and writer-artist Steve Ditko. He first appeared in the anthology comic book Amazing Fantasy #15 (Aug. 1962) in the Silver Age of Comic Books. He appears in American comic books published by Marvel Comics and in movies, television shows, and video game adaptations set in the Marvel Universe. Spider-Man is the alias of Peter Parker, an orphan raised by his Aunt May and Uncle Ben in New York City after his parents Richard and Mary Parker died in a plane crash.

How are these three things related to God? It’s easy to prove all three of these things are creations of man/woman. We know where each came from and all three are very well known.

You know the Bible is a book, right?

Yes. So why is the Bible and God equal to leprechauns in the tradition of Irish folklore, Voldemort from JK Rowling’s Harry Potter series, the comic book creation of Stan Lee and Steve Ditko?

To atheists, there is no difference between Irish folklore and Hebraic folklore, or the bible and the Harry Potter series. They are all inventions of men.

So, no. We don't believe in angels, and if I performed whatever demon-summoning ritual there is, I don't believe anything would happen, so I wouldn't have a problem doing it, except possibly feeling inconvenienced by the time I have to spend on it.

You don't have to believe that, OP. But you asked what atheists believe. There you go.

So every atheist believes exactly what you typed above? All atheists believe the same thing about Spider Man, Voldemort, Leprechauns, and God and the Bible?

An atheist is usually defined as someone who does not believe in a god or gods. It has no position on leprechauns (unless you define those as gods) and therefore nothing to do with them.

My reference to leprechauns and Voldemort and Spider-Man was explicitly about what I believe and why, and I asked if you believed in the them. You did not answer that, and it is obvious why you avoided that.

I believe that Spider Man is a comic book superhero invented by Stan Lee. Is that not true?

I believe Voldemort is the villain in the Harry Potter series, written by JK Rowling. Is that not true?

I believe Leprechauns are charming Irish folktales. Is that not true?

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I believe that Spider Man is a comic book superhero invented by Stan Lee. Is that not true?

I believe Voldemort is the villain in the Harry Potter series, written by JK Rowling. Is that not true?

I believe Leprechauns are charming Irish folktales. Is that not true?

Yep! All true. You don't believe any of them actually exist because there is no evidence they do. This is were we completely agree, and are both agnostic (since we can't prove they don't exist either, we just don't believe they do). Those positions are entirely logical and based on evidence or lack thereof. Excellent!

Now we have established that there is only one set of folktales on which we differ. Why do you hold a different standard for those?