Georgetown Jersey Barriers

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So I guess you are arguing for the sake of arguing? Otherwise I don’t understand your point. No one should support streets lined with jersey barriers. M Street is not an interstate highway.

No, I am saying that wider sidewalks protected by jersey jersey walls are better than narrower sidewalks and more car lanes. Jersey walls are a quick, low-cost way to protect ped/bike facilities while we're waiting for more permanent changes.

Research is very clear that this makes M Street less safe, not more safe.

What research? Less safe for whom?

Less safe for everyone. There’s a lot of information out there in shared space and curbless street design that you can read if you are inclined. The jersey barriers encourage drivers to go faster which decreases safety.

Please post some of that research showing that jersey barriers protecting sidewalks encourage drivers to go faster, thanks.

Still waiting on some of that research. Thanks!

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Anonymous wrote:Georgetown peaked in the 60s and had a little bump in the 80s but overall it’s pretty bad. It’s for tourists and suburban folks who don’t know where else to go in dc. I grew up here and there has always been a sad mix of sketchy stores, the worst rats in the city and petty crime.

There's petty crime everywhere in DC, especially high-density retail places like Georgetown. So I'm not sure that's a realistic complaint. But I do agree with you that Georgetown is no longer a destination and hasn't been for decades (the jersey barriers don't really change this). Mediocre restaurants, retail that you can find in any suburban shopping mall (or sketchy-ass clothing stores that never have any customers and clearly are fronts for something), no mass transit apart from buses that take 20 minutes to go two blocks: there's no reason to go there. There's certainly no reason to go through the hassle that is driving there.

I agree it's for tourists and suburbanite rubes only these days.

Georgetown died when the city restricted off-campus undergrad housing and killed off the college bar scene.

Yup. Where do young people have fun in DC anymore? With the Georgetown bar scene long dead and Navy Yard and Ivy City nightclubs gone, DC is not looking like the premier place for young people anymore. Pretty sad.

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So I guess you are arguing for the sake of arguing? Otherwise I don’t understand your point. No one should support streets lined with jersey barriers. M Street is not an interstate highway.

No, I am saying that wider sidewalks protected by jersey jersey walls are better than narrower sidewalks and more car lanes. Jersey walls are a quick, low-cost way to protect ped/bike facilities while we're waiting for more permanent changes.

Research is very clear that this makes M Street less safe, not more safe.

What research? Less safe for whom?

Less safe for everyone. There’s a lot of information out there in shared space and curbless street design that you can read if you are inclined. The jersey barriers encourage drivers to go faster which decreases safety.

Please post some of that research showing that jersey barriers protecting sidewalks encourage drivers to go faster, thanks.

Still waiting on some of that research. Thanks!

This study found that jersey barriers protecting construction workers on arterial roads did indeed cause drivers to drive faster. Whether it's an apples-to-apples comparison could be questioned, but the jersey barriers in Georgetown serve the same purpose as jersey barriers on arterial roads: protecting pedestrians and construction workers. The study also said the research confirms earlier studies that found the same thing.

"The study results indicated that drivers tend to increase speed alongside concrete jersey barriers, which corresponds with prior research. An interesting observation was that drivers tend
to deviate from the center of the lane, away from the barrier, while driving alongside concrete jersey barriers."

http://www.jtle.net/uploadfile/2018/1112/20181112023204849.pdf

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So I guess you are arguing for the sake of arguing? Otherwise I don’t understand your point. No one should support streets lined with jersey barriers. M Street is not an interstate highway.

No, I am saying that wider sidewalks protected by jersey jersey walls are better than narrower sidewalks and more car lanes. Jersey walls are a quick, low-cost way to protect ped/bike facilities while we're waiting for more permanent changes.

Research is very clear that this makes M Street less safe, not more safe.

What research? Less safe for whom?

Less safe for everyone. There’s a lot of information out there in shared space and curbless street design that you can read if you are inclined. The jersey barriers encourage drivers to go faster which decreases safety.

Please post some of that research showing that jersey barriers protecting sidewalks encourage drivers to go faster, thanks.

Still waiting on some of that research. Thanks!

This study found that jersey barriers protecting construction workers on arterial roads did indeed cause drivers to drive faster. Whether it's an apples-to-apples comparison could be questioned, but the jersey barriers in Georgetown serve the same purpose as jersey barriers on arterial roads: protecting pedestrians and construction workers. The study also said the research confirms earlier studies that found the same thing.

"The study results indicated that drivers tend to increase speed alongside concrete jersey barriers, which corresponds with prior research. An interesting observation was that drivers tend
to deviate from the center of the lane, away from the barrier, while driving alongside concrete jersey barriers."

http://www.jtle.net/uploadfile/2018/1112/20181112023204849.pdf

Wow, all that research that makes it very clear that extended sidewalks make M St less safe, and the best you could do was an article on construction on a suburban arterial?

Hey, at least you were honest about this not being an apples-to-apples comparison, so a point for that, I guess.

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So I guess you are arguing for the sake of arguing? Otherwise I don’t understand your point. No one should support streets lined with jersey barriers. M Street is not an interstate highway.

No, I am saying that wider sidewalks protected by jersey jersey walls are better than narrower sidewalks and more car lanes. Jersey walls are a quick, low-cost way to protect ped/bike facilities while we're waiting for more permanent changes.

Research is very clear that this makes M Street less safe, not more safe.

What research? Less safe for whom?

Less safe for everyone. There’s a lot of information out there in shared space and curbless street design that you can read if you are inclined. The jersey barriers encourage drivers to go faster which decreases safety.

Please post some of that research showing that jersey barriers protecting sidewalks encourage drivers to go faster, thanks.

Still waiting on some of that research. Thanks!

This study found that jersey barriers protecting construction workers on arterial roads did indeed cause drivers to drive faster. Whether it's an apples-to-apples comparison could be questioned, but the jersey barriers in Georgetown serve the same purpose as jersey barriers on arterial roads: protecting pedestrians and construction workers. The study also said the research confirms earlier studies that found the same thing.

"The study results indicated that drivers tend to increase speed alongside concrete jersey barriers, which corresponds with prior research. An interesting observation was that drivers tend
to deviate from the center of the lane, away from the barrier, while driving alongside concrete jersey barriers."

http://www.jtle.net/uploadfile/2018/1112/20181112023204849.pdf

Great. Can DDOT get rid of these unsafe and unsightly things now?

[Anonymous]

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So I guess you are arguing for the sake of arguing? Otherwise I don’t understand your point. No one should support streets lined with jersey barriers. M Street is not an interstate highway.

No, I am saying that wider sidewalks protected by jersey jersey walls are better than narrower sidewalks and more car lanes. Jersey walls are a quick, low-cost way to protect ped/bike facilities while we're waiting for more permanent changes.

Research is very clear that this makes M Street less safe, not more safe.

What research? Less safe for whom?

Less safe for everyone. There’s a lot of information out there in shared space and curbless street design that you can read if you are inclined. The jersey barriers encourage drivers to go faster which decreases safety.

Please post some of that research showing that jersey barriers protecting sidewalks encourage drivers to go faster, thanks.

Still waiting on some of that research. Thanks!

This study found that jersey barriers protecting construction workers on arterial roads did indeed cause drivers to drive faster. Whether it's an apples-to-apples comparison could be questioned, but the jersey barriers in Georgetown serve the same purpose as jersey barriers on arterial roads: protecting pedestrians and construction workers. The study also said the research confirms earlier studies that found the same thing.

"The study results indicated that drivers tend to increase speed alongside concrete jersey barriers, which corresponds with prior research. An interesting observation was that drivers tend
to deviate from the center of the lane, away from the barrier, while driving alongside concrete jersey barriers."

http://www.jtle.net/uploadfile/2018/1112/20181112023204849.pdf

Because jersey walls used to extend sidewalk space into the road, in a historic area of a city, act exactly like jersey walls used to protect construction workers on six-lane divided suburban highways?

[Anonymous]

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Great. Can DDOT get rid of these unsafe and unsightly things now?

are you referring to cars in Georgetown?

[Anonymous]

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So I guess you are arguing for the sake of arguing? Otherwise I don’t understand your point. No one should support streets lined with jersey barriers. M Street is not an interstate highway.

No, I am saying that wider sidewalks protected by jersey jersey walls are better than narrower sidewalks and more car lanes. Jersey walls are a quick, low-cost way to protect ped/bike facilities while we're waiting for more permanent changes.

Research is very clear that this makes M Street less safe, not more safe.

What research? Less safe for whom?

Less safe for everyone. There’s a lot of information out there in shared space and curbless street design that you can read if you are inclined. The jersey barriers encourage drivers to go faster which decreases safety.

Please post some of that research showing that jersey barriers protecting sidewalks encourage drivers to go faster, thanks.

Still waiting on some of that research. Thanks!

This study found that jersey barriers protecting construction workers on arterial roads did indeed cause drivers to drive faster. Whether it's an apples-to-apples comparison could be questioned, but the jersey barriers in Georgetown serve the same purpose as jersey barriers on arterial roads: protecting pedestrians and construction workers. The study also said the research confirms earlier studies that found the same thing.

"The study results indicated that drivers tend to increase speed alongside concrete jersey barriers, which corresponds with prior research. An interesting observation was that drivers tend
to deviate from the center of the lane, away from the barrier, while driving alongside concrete jersey barriers."

http://www.jtle.net/uploadfile/2018/1112/20181112023204849.pdf

Because jersey walls used to extend sidewalk space into the road, in a historic area of a city, act exactly like jersey walls used to protect construction workers on six-lane divided suburban highways?

What are you talking about? This street is exactly like M Street in Georgetown!!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
So I guess you are arguing for the sake of arguing? Otherwise I don’t understand your point. No one should support streets lined with jersey barriers. M Street is not an interstate highway.

No, I am saying that wider sidewalks protected by jersey jersey walls are better than narrower sidewalks and more car lanes. Jersey walls are a quick, low-cost way to protect ped/bike facilities while we're waiting for more permanent changes.

Research is very clear that this makes M Street less safe, not more safe.

Wrong. Fewer car lanes = more safe.
Wider sidewalks = more safe

Facts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
So I guess you are arguing for the sake of arguing? Otherwise I don’t understand your point. No one should support streets lined with jersey barriers. M Street is not an interstate highway.

No, I am saying that wider sidewalks protected by jersey jersey walls are better than narrower sidewalks and more car lanes. Jersey walls are a quick, low-cost way to protect ped/bike facilities while we're waiting for more permanent changes.

Research is very clear that this makes M Street less safe, not more safe.

What research? Less safe for whom?

Less safe for everyone. There’s a lot of information out there in shared space and curbless street design that you can read if you are inclined. The jersey barriers encourage drivers to go faster which decreases safety.

The Jersey barriers are literally giant curbs, making it not curbless.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
So I guess you are arguing for the sake of arguing? Otherwise I don’t understand your point. No one should support streets lined with jersey barriers. M Street is not an interstate highway.

No, I am saying that wider sidewalks protected by jersey jersey walls are better than narrower sidewalks and more car lanes. Jersey walls are a quick, low-cost way to protect ped/bike facilities while we're waiting for more permanent changes.

Research is very clear that this makes M Street less safe, not more safe.

What research? Less safe for whom?

Less safe for everyone. There’s a lot of information out there in shared space and curbless street design that you can read if you are inclined. The jersey barriers encourage drivers to go faster which decreases safety.

Please post some of that research showing that jersey barriers protecting sidewalks encourage drivers to go faster, thanks.

Still waiting on some of that research. Thanks!

This study found that jersey barriers protecting construction workers on arterial roads did indeed cause drivers to drive faster. Whether it's an apples-to-apples comparison could be questioned, but the jersey barriers in Georgetown serve the same purpose as jersey barriers on arterial roads: protecting pedestrians and construction workers. The study also said the research confirms earlier studies that found the same thing.

"The study results indicated that drivers tend to increase speed alongside concrete jersey barriers, which corresponds with prior research. An interesting observation was that drivers tend
to deviate from the center of the lane, away from the barrier, while driving alongside concrete jersey barriers."

http://www.jtle.net/uploadfile/2018/1112/20181112023204849.pdf

That study was highways and main arterials, not city streets like M Street or Wisconsin Ave in Georgetown. Think more Rockville Pikel

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Wow, somebody was triggered!

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So I guess you are arguing for the sake of arguing? Otherwise I don’t understand your point. No one should support streets lined with jersey barriers. M Street is not an interstate highway.

No, I am saying that wider sidewalks protected by jersey jersey walls are better than narrower sidewalks and more car lanes. Jersey walls are a quick, low-cost way to protect ped/bike facilities while we're waiting for more permanent changes.

Research is very clear that this makes M Street less safe, not more safe.

What research? Less safe for whom?

Less safe for everyone. There’s a lot of information out there in shared space and curbless street design that you can read if you are inclined. The jersey barriers encourage drivers to go faster which decreases safety.

Please post some of that research showing that jersey barriers protecting sidewalks encourage drivers to go faster, thanks.

Still waiting on some of that research. Thanks!

This study found that jersey barriers protecting construction workers on arterial roads did indeed cause drivers to drive faster. Whether it's an apples-to-apples comparison could be questioned, but the jersey barriers in Georgetown serve the same purpose as jersey barriers on arterial roads: protecting pedestrians and construction workers. The study also said the research confirms earlier studies that found the same thing.

"The study results indicated that drivers tend to increase speed alongside concrete jersey barriers, which corresponds with prior research. An interesting observation was that drivers tend
to deviate from the center of the lane, away from the barrier, while driving alongside concrete jersey barriers."

http://www.jtle.net/uploadfile/2018/1112/20181112023204849.pdf

Because jersey walls used to extend sidewalk space into the road, in a historic area of a city, act exactly like jersey walls used to protect construction workers on six-lane divided suburban highways?

In both instances, the jersey barriers serve to protect non-drivers along the road from passing cars and trucks so ... yes? Do they not do that?

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In both instances, the jersey barriers serve to protect non-drivers along the road from passing cars and trucks so ... yes? Do they not do that?

Absolutely, and similarly, my bathroom door is identical to the doors to the cathedral in Florence in that both serve to allow entry.

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In both instances, the jersey barriers serve to protect non-drivers along the road from passing cars and trucks so ... yes? Do they not do that?

Absolutely, and similarly, my bathroom door is identical to the doors to the cathedral in Florence in that both serve to allow entry.

Are you okay? It doesn’t seem like it so I thought I’d ask.