Official Brett Kavanaugh Thread, Part 5

Anonymous
The Kavanaugh hearings were a test. A test of how far identity politics could be taken — can an accusation by a traditionally-marginalized person be taken as immediate guilt, such that due process and evidence are themselves offensive? Could an allegation against a privileged person from a less privileged person be enough to comdemn immediately? This is what the Democrats wanted, and it comes after years of ratcheting up the hurling of labels like “racist” and “sexist” at thos with opposing virwpoints, censorship discussions, and microaggressions. It didn’t work this time, largely because people by and large still believe in fairness and other principles of democracy. What Democrats wanted was free reign to destroy anyone, especially political opponents, by simply alleging accusations that fit the anti-privilege story.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let me skip through 5 threads + 199 pages and ask:

Why shouldn't he have been confirmed? Clearly qualified, and nothing proven against him.


Let me ask you. Did you WATCH his testimony?

For the THOUSANDTH time:

If he didn't have anything to worry about:

- He would have welcomed an FBI Investigation (if I were in his shoes and innocent I would say to the FBI, BRING IT ON)
- He would have not perjured himself multiple times (about the Ford accusations but also about matters relating to his time with Bush)
- He would not have expressed the hostility he did (if innocent, why the need for rage? Calmly explain yourself)
- His appointment would not have been rushed through - see GORSUCH
- Unexplained debts, taxes, etc.
- Misconduct complaints referred from Justice Roberts to Colorado Circuit Court

Clearly UNQUALIFIED but the good ole boys and gals around here want to believe this guy is a saint for whatever reason.

Your boy made it - have another kegger to celebrate.

He was simply bought and is Trump's "Get Out of Jail Free" card.

DISGUSTING.

Now all three branches of our government have been severely compromised thanks to TRUMP.

We may never recover. Just do some googling before you flame me.



They DGAF about the truth. You’re wasting your time.

Seriously? Apparently you and the above poster DGAF about truth since there are lies above and you treat them as fact.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let me skip through 5 threads + 199 pages and ask:

Why shouldn't he have been confirmed? Clearly qualified, and nothing proven against him.


You will not get a rational answer here. The man has a spotless record and is considered one of the greatest intellects of our time.


That is true. Females voted for him too.

AND, he has worked with scores of women over the past 30 years. How many claims of sexual harassment or unfair treatment has been made by them?

AND, what about the four women who joined him on his staff at the SCOTUS? It's surprising they haven't been harassed for accepting those positions. After all, eviscerating women who side with someone like him seems to be the norm of late. Didn't they in fact endorse him? Were they just ignorant of the facts?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes. Women go back to parties where they witnessed rape. They go back to parties where even they were raped.

1. Women go back to boyfriends that beat and rape them. Why don't they just go to the police?!

2. Young boys go back to football teams where they have had other boys attempt to rape them and you better believe they tell NO ONE. Why don't they just go to the police?!

3. Boys go back to teams where coaches have molested them. Why don't they just go to the police!

See how that works? People that have been sexually assaulted rarely go to the police. They OFTEN return to the assaulter. This is a known phenomenon.

You can play GOTCHA with Swetnik all day long. And yes, you'll get her all twisted up in knots because she's not the perfect victim. And oh no, she's from Gaithersburg! But picking on a rape victim from a "lower class" makes you feel smart and powerful and right, doesn't it?

You Kavanaugh supporters had to go pretty low to be worse than your leader Trump, but you've slid right under the gutter with him.



They will say anything to circle the wagons and protect one of their own. No matter what really happened.

How about you provide proof that anything happened. There is not one witness to back up any of the allegations.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes. Women go back to parties where they witnessed rape. They go back to parties where even they were raped.

1. Women go back to boyfriends that beat and rape them. Why don't they just go to the police?!

2. Young boys go back to football teams where they have had other boys attempt to rape them and you better believe they tell NO ONE. Why don't they just go to the police?!

3. Boys go back to teams where coaches have molested them. Why don't they just go to the police!

See how that works? People that have been sexually assaulted rarely go to the police. They OFTEN return to the assaulter. This is a known phenomenon.

You can play GOTCHA with Swetnik all day long. And yes, you'll get her all twisted up in knots because she's not the perfect victim. And oh no, she's from Gaithersburg! But picking on a rape victim from a "lower class" makes you feel smart and powerful and right, doesn't it?

You Kavanaugh supporters had to go pretty low to be worse than your leader Trump, but you've slid right under the gutter with him.



They will say anything to circle the wagons and protect one of their own. No matter what really happened.



They can't respond to my post in a meaningful way. The thought of their son being buggered by a fellow player in a locker room or at a post game party, or a by a coach or a priest upsets them, as it should--but they can't or won't see the parallel to the exact same fact pattern with a female. I wonder why?
Anonymous
To the #boymoms out there: if your sons are accused of sexual assault, would you feel that applying a presumption of innocence in a criminal proceeding is still appropriate? Or should society rethink the standard of proof? In a Title IX non criminal proceeding, should the burden of proof still be on the accuser to meet a preponderance of the evidence, or a clear and convincing standard? In a job interview context, how should these dynamics play out? Does this dovetail with ban the box?
Anonymous
Is there ever any proof or witnesses when a boy is raped by a fellow player or a teacher, coach, priest, etc.?

Aren't those allegations usually decades old?

Why do you believe the boys and not Dr. Ford who was 15 at the time?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Is there ever any proof or witnesses when a boy is raped by a fellow player or a teacher, coach, priest, etc.?

Aren't those allegations usually decades old?

Why do you believe the boys and not Dr. Ford who was 15 at the time?


I think the catholic stuff reached a critical mass, so to speak.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Is there ever any proof or witnesses when a boy is raped by a fellow player or a teacher, coach, priest, etc.?

Aren't those allegations usually decades old?

Why do you believe the boys and not Dr. Ford who was 15 at the time?


exactly

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Newsflash: both the congress, white house, and the judiciary are controlled by the GOP. Do you really think even Kavanaugh's obvious perjury would be prosecuted there?

Stop asking: Why aren't perjury charges being brought?

Answer:

The majority GOP branches of government will never bring charges.

Why didn't Ford or Swetnik bring their charges to the police?

The sexist police force and prosecutors offices of 1981, 1983 etc., would never have believed them! They can't bring the charges now because too much time has gone by. It doesn't mean it didn't happen the exact way she said it did.




When the Republicans had no hope in hell of passing bills, they still worked on them, used media, and otherwise energized their base to keep issues at the forefront.
If the perjury charge were serious, Democrats could be doing exactly the same. They are not, and yet their base would love it. That they are not pursuing this is telling.

I'm not asking why Ford and Swetnick didn't go to the police then. I'm asking why they don't go to the police now. The police who have explicitly said they will follow up on their complaints. That Ford and Swetnick don't go to the police now is telling.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:To the #boymoms out there: if your sons are accused of sexual assault, would you feel that applying a presumption of innocence in a criminal proceeding is still appropriate? Or should society rethink the standard of proof? In a Title IX non criminal proceeding, should the burden of proof still be on the accuser to meet a preponderance of the evidence, or a clear and convincing standard? In a job interview context, how should these dynamics play out? Does this dovetail with ban the box?


Don't try to be clever, Sparky. Confirmation hearings are not courtrooms. None your above cited standards apply here. Go back to your online 1L textbooks.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:To the #boymoms out there: if your sons are accused of sexual assault, would you feel that applying a presumption of innocence in a criminal proceeding is still appropriate? Or should society rethink the standard of proof? In a Title IX non criminal proceeding, should the burden of proof still be on the accuser to meet a preponderance of the evidence, or a clear and convincing standard? In a job interview context, how should these dynamics play out? Does this dovetail with ban the box?


Don't try to be clever, Sparky. Confirmation hearings are not courtrooms. None your above cited standards apply here. Go back to your online 1L textbooks.


I posed serious questions. You are obviously unable to answer them. The last question applies to job interviews. Susan Collins applied a “more likely than not” standard? Was that an appropriate standard?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Newsflash: both the congress, white house, and the judiciary are controlled by the GOP. Do you really think even Kavanaugh's obvious perjury would be prosecuted there?

Stop asking: Why aren't perjury charges being brought?

Answer:

The majority GOP branches of government will never bring charges.

Why didn't Ford or Swetnik bring their charges to the police?

The sexist police force and prosecutors offices of 1981, 1983 etc., would never have believed them! They can't bring the charges now because too much time has gone by. It doesn't mean it didn't happen the exact way she said it did.




When the Republicans had no hope in hell of passing bills, they still worked on them, used media, and otherwise energized their base to keep issues at the forefront.
If the perjury charge were serious, Democrats could be doing exactly the same. They are not, and yet their base would love it. That they are not pursuing this is telling.

I'm not asking why Ford and Swetnick didn't go to the police then. I'm asking why they don't go to the police now. The police who have explicitly said they will follow up on their complaints. That Ford and Swetnick don't go to the police now is telling.


Are you suggesting that Democrats behave in the same unconscionable way Republicans did and go on FOX and spread lies about the ACA to conspire to rip healthcare away from millions of Americans even though they didn't have the votes to overturn it? You may be on to something with that...
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Yes. Women go back to parties where they witnessed rape. They go back to parties where even they were raped.

1. Women go back to boyfriends that beat and rape them. Why don't they just go to the police?!

2. Young boys go back to football teams where they have had other boys attempt to rape them and you better believe they tell NO ONE. Why don't they just go to the police?!

3. Boys go back to teams where coaches have molested them. Why don't they just go to the police!

See how that works? People that have been sexually assaulted rarely go to the police. They OFTEN return to the assaulter. This is a known phenomenon.

You can play GOTCHA with Swetnik all day long. And yes, you'll get her all twisted up in knots because she's not the perfect victim. And oh no, she's from Gaithersburg! But picking on a rape victim from a "lower class" makes you feel smart and powerful and right, doesn't it?

You Kavanaugh supporters had to go pretty low to be worse than your leader Trump, but you've slid right under the gutter with him.




In situations 1-3 you have power dynamic issues. Relationship, admired peers, admired coaches.

In Swetnick's situation, there is no such thing. She was, by her account, an older woman attending parties where younger boys were repeatedly drugging and raping girls and women. And she did nothing. She was not in a relationship with these boys. She was not beholden to them. She was, in fact, in a position of power as an older, college woman. She did nothing to save the girls and women. Nothing to save herself, not even staying away when she realized what scum these boys were. In fact, she continued going to these parties, by her own account. Continued to do nothing while girls and women were being drugged and raped. What she did do was associate with rapists, helping them drug and rape unsuspecting girls and women.

And in present day, she continues to do nothing by not reporting the crime to the police, who would follow up on it. Which should be trivial, since she says the entire county knew of these parties (which no one seems to know anything about, so perhaps she's saving herself criminal charges by not making a police report).
Anonymous
By the way it isn't up to Dr. Ford, et al, to bring charges, you ninnies. The prosecutor's office can bring charges on any case they like, whether or not the victim comes in to their offices

*sigh*
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