Plane crash DCA?

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Anonymous wrote:On Reddit, people said the wife of one of the pilots is being treated horribly. She had asked for people to share photos of her husband, and someone replied they should share photos of CRJ victims.

My call to everyone is to do something nice for others.

Text your government friend and let them know you appreciate their work.

Hold the door for someone.

Text a friend or family member, and let them know you love them.

Hope we can preserve aspects of a healthy society where we treat each other well.

It is shockingly insensitive for families of the helicopter pilots to be seeking that kind of attention under the circumstances.

Don’t think those families are less devastated? You suck.

Of course they're probably devastated. But sometimes it is not appropriate to publicly ask others to join in your grieving.

She posted on her personal facebook page. Presumably, the only people that would be looking at it and sharing would be her friends and family. If "the public" doesn't want to share and join in her grieving, they don't need to look at her page.

NP here. Maybe this is the pilot who has a child and the wife wanted to collect photos for the child. I’m old enough now to unfortunately have a few friends die, leaving behind young children and this seems like a common request (to gather photos for the kids).

Yes, it would be understandable to ask for photos-- privately.

I don't understand how the family thought posting publicly was going to go over well. How do you think people would react if the family of someone that just T-boned a school bus at high speed posted this?

It was a public fb post?!

Yes, it was. Maybe not intentionally.

It's on her personal page, but the setting she has is public. Maybe because she thought there might be other people that she doesn't know/aren't her facebook friends, that still might want to share memories or photos of her husband. For example, some of his old friends from high school that he hadn't kept in contact with in the last several years, but they heard about this and looked at his wife's page. They may have some very special memories from decades ago that they'd love to share with is wife.

Again, how do you think people would react if someone publicly asked for photos commemorating someone that just ran a red light and t-boned a school bus? Would you be posting in their defense?

I wouldn’t waste any time thinking about it right now. I live in Alexandria where the city has to keep closing off areas because “debris” keeps floating in more and more areas (so awful and sad). It’s not productive to have that kind of energy. If you know anyone affected by this tragedy I would direct your energy to supporting them in whatever way helps but doing deep dives on family members’ social media isn’t it.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone hate her? There is no indication that this was intentional.

Because their wife and only child died because of either her deliberate act or gross incompetence?

There is no indication of either of those.

Why are you jumping to conclusions without any evidence?

We don't know who in the helo was responsible, but we do know they acted recklessly.

We don't know anything until the investigation is over.

We know they ignored the commands from ATC.

If true, then it would be the fault of the white male co-pilot who was in communication with ATCs. But that would go against the desired narrative of the trolls here that it's all the fault of the woman...

I'm leaning this way - it will come down to who was controlling the joystick and rudder of the copter right? It's no more trolling to think a woman did something wrong than it is to think a man did something wrong - that you see it this way though, shows your bias not the posters - it's speculation either way. What's not speculation is that at least one of the helicopter pilots' actions are inexplicable and caused the crash. At best this was gross incompetence. Worst is murder suicide.

No, it won’t necessarily mean that. The fact you can’t think beyond that one view shows your own limited thinking.

The pilot using all four limbs to control the bird is not in communication with ATC. Communication with ATC is the job of the copilot.

The copilot and pilot may have miscommunicated.

Navy SEALs crashed a Black Hawk when they killed bin Laden. Crashes happen.

Landing in a walled in courtyard. Not flying straight along a river bank and maintaining 200 ft altitude

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Anonymous wrote:It is possible that if the helicopter saw the plane at the last minute, that is why they went up - to try and go over the plane. The plane was descending so their only option at close distance would have been to go over the top.

According to the pilot forum and their airport maps, planes should be at ~280 feet as they cross the east bank of the river when coming in to runway 33.

The TCAS (collision alert system) turns off when they are that low to the ground and in landing mode so they wouldn't have gotten a warning of a collision.

The warning was going off for the ATC but if you watch the video of the day before, the PAT11 helicopter set off the warning system 3 times in its one flight so they must be very used to hearing it go off.

I don’t know but when I listened to the ATC instructions they specifically tell the BH to confirm it sees the jet descending to land at runway 33, which requires planes to come diagonally across the Potomac (which there is less than 1 mile long) from Bolling in DC to the north of Daingerfield Island in Virginia/DCA. It literally jets across from east to west. NOT the runway that has planes line up behind the WW Bridge so they are coming up the middle of the Potomac.

The BH not only was too high, it was too far west. Did the BH not know the difference between runway 33 and the other 2 runways?

According to the pilot forum, it is extremely common practice for the helicopters on route 4 to go down the middle of the river instead of hugging the bank. They had a few reasons why they do that but none were surprised or thought this was anything out of the ordinary.

My armchair assessment after reading the pilot forums is to agree with their assessment. The BH crew were running various tasks and checklists so their attention was divided. They saw the line of air traffic straight ahead and thought that was who they had visual on, not realizing there was a plane to their left turning in to cross the river. They were west and high but not in any atypical pattern given how heicopters often fly Route 4. According to the pilots, between reflections in the water, city lights, and the disorientation of night and difficulty judging distance, they didn't realize they were on a collision course. They saw the plane at the last second and tried to correct and miss but it was too late.

Route 1 for helos is north of Wilson bridge and Old Town, and requires 200’ max alt.

Route 4 is south of Wilson bridge and you can do 400’ max alto and sure, drift around the river for fun.

Big difference. ACTIVE AIRPORT!

Routinely violated. The FAA said it was fine.

Where is FAA on record stating “it was fine” to fly above 200’ in Path 1 during airport operating hours?

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Anonymous wrote:On Reddit, people said the wife of one of the pilots is being treated horribly. She had asked for people to share photos of her husband, and someone replied they should share photos of CRJ victims.

My call to everyone is to do something nice for others.

Text your government friend and let them know you appreciate their work.

Hold the door for someone.

Text a friend or family member, and let them know you love them.

Hope we can preserve aspects of a healthy society where we treat each other well.

It is shockingly insensitive for families of the helicopter pilots to be seeking that kind of attention under the circumstances.

Don’t think those families are less devastated? You suck.

Of course they're probably devastated. But sometimes it is not appropriate to publicly ask others to join in your grieving.

She posted on her personal facebook page. Presumably, the only people that would be looking at it and sharing would be her friends and family. If "the public" doesn't want to share and join in her grieving, they don't need to look at her page.

NP here. Maybe this is the pilot who has a child and the wife wanted to collect photos for the child. I’m old enough now to unfortunately have a few friends die, leaving behind young children and this seems like a common request (to gather photos for the kids).

Yes, it would be understandable to ask for photos-- privately.

I don't understand how the family thought posting publicly was going to go over well. How do you think people would react if the family of someone that just T-boned a school bus at high speed posted this?

It was a public fb post?!

Yes, it was. Maybe not intentionally.

It's on her personal page, but the setting she has is public. Maybe because she thought there might be other people that she doesn't know/aren't her facebook friends, that still might want to share memories or photos of her husband. For example, some of his old friends from high school that he hadn't kept in contact with in the last several years, but they heard about this and looked at his wife's page. They may have some very special memories from decades ago that they'd love to share with is wife.

Again, how do you think people would react if someone publicly asked for photos commemorating someone that just ran a red light and t-boned a school bus? Would you be posting in their defense?

No reports have been published. You are making an assumption that the pilots purposely ignored safety protocol (e.g. like running a red light). There is no evidence at that, at this time. You are using an illogical fallacy.

There is. Listen to the ATC audio. The helicopter was told to wait for the plane to pass in front of them.

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Anonymous wrote:It is possible that if the helicopter saw the plane at the last minute, that is why they went up - to try and go over the plane. The plane was descending so their only option at close distance would have been to go over the top.

According to the pilot forum and their airport maps, planes should be at ~280 feet as they cross the east bank of the river when coming in to runway 33.

The TCAS (collision alert system) turns off when they are that low to the ground and in landing mode so they wouldn't have gotten a warning of a collision.

The warning was going off for the ATC but if you watch the video of the day before, the PAT11 helicopter set off the warning system 3 times in its one flight so they must be very used to hearing it go off.

I do think it’s possible that’s why the help jerked erratically at the last minute. But it doesn’t explain why it was so far into the middle of the river for quite a few minutes before the crash. The route is to hug the east bank and they were west of that in the middle of the river. Had they stayed there and at the 200ft ceiling where they seemed to be for most of it, we wouldn’t be here discussing this.

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Following process and procedure. They were sound.

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Anonymous wrote:I do think it’s odd all of the female pilot’s social media was completely scrubbed. But also her siblings and her parents.

Why? It’s the first thing I would do.

Because the other pilots and crew involved were released immediately, either willingly or not, I don’t know. They didn’t take extreme time and measures to erase all traces of them the public could potentially judge. And when you are involved in killing a bunch of people, the public will judge. By them not allowing military to release her name and then scrubbing all traces of narrative about her except what they explicitly publish, it seems like something is being hidden she would be judged harshly for- beyond her gender alone

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Anonymous wrote:Her qualifications look amazing. God bless her and her family.

What are they? High pressure piloting black hawks?

You probably shouldn't bother looking up her credentials because you'll just get jealous of how smart she was and all the awards she won from the miliary.

Just stay in your little bubble where it's safe.

Yes, who wouldn't be jealous of a woman pilot who died in a highly suspicious fatal accident in which her helicopter navigated directly into a clearly visible jet plane for 25 seconds until crashing into it and killing 64 innocent people? We don't know her role yet versus the male pilot until we get the cockpit voice recorder of course. This is crazy, she piloted a helicopter that at best negligently killed 64 people including a bunch of 13 yr old figure skaters, there's no hero here ladies and gents.

It was a terrible accident that was waiting to happen. A similar crash almost occurred less than 24 hours before. Who was piloting that helicopter? Sounds like this could have happened to any pilot and this one just happened to be a woman.

The pilot forum I was reading was not at all surprised that this happened. They were more suprised that it hadn't happened sooner, felt that everyone knew this was an accident waiting to happen, and were mostly grateful it wasn't them as it could have been any flight. The ones who fly DCA often were not angry at the helicopter or ATC but at so much traffic being allowed to use DCA and the amount of helicopter traffic in the area over the last few years. They place all the blame on the decision makers who they feel created a very unsafe air space. They all accept human error can happen and does happen and it is the job of decision makers to create safe air spaces so that minor human errors don't lead to catastrophic failures.

Seems logical. I’m very skeptical the government will make a lasting course-correction here though.

Easy one is no path intersections when route 33 has an imminent landing. Hold back or circle Hains point, if night go after 11pm when DCA is less busy, only managing delayed flights landing.

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Anonymous wrote:28 years old.

Can someone explain how someone so young in the military was… a both a high ranking helicopter pilot and moonlighting as a White House aide?

The WH social aide gig is a prestigious thing. The ones I know went on to become a US Senator and a CEO.

Funny how the posters with pitchforks seem quiet now that she’s been named.

The PR angle of listing her prizes and awards and accolades was smart. They made the story instead of letting Trump make the story.

People cooled down because it appeared to be a middle class white woman and the fish they were hoping to catch was a transwoman given the anti-trans political shift. I totally disagree that hailing how wonderful someone who piloted a helicopter into 64 civilians on a plane was a stroke of PR genius. A stroke of trying the old tricks that had been proven to have failed miserably and for good couple months ago more likely. Just say nothing, yes there's a gullible public, and you can spin a lot, but not someone who piloted a helicopter into 64 civilians into a hero. Any commendation of her just will make people hate her more.

Important fact is she was not there by choice. She and the others on the helicopter were just following orders from the army to conduct risky flight training in civilian airspace. That's where the dumb decision was. Also, she was not the only person in control of the plane, and not the MALE voice on the recorder saying he saw the plane. It's sick to seek out and blame this tragedy on the one female involved, especially since she was, by all metrics, eminently qualified to be where she was.

Well someone in control there was very confused, or worse, about altitude and wtf runway 33 was.

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Anonymous wrote:I do think it’s odd all of the female pilot’s social media was completely scrubbed. But also her siblings and her parents.

Why? It’s the first thing I would do.

Because the other pilots and crew involved were released immediately, either willingly or not, I don’t know. They didn’t take extreme time and measures to erase all traces of them the public could potentially judge. And when you are involved in killing a bunch of people, the public will judge. By them not allowing military to release her name and then scrubbing all traces of narrative about her except what they explicitly publish, it seems like something is being hidden she would be judged harshly for- beyond her gender alone

After what the sandy hook and parkland families went through, I do not blame any family of a high profile death from scrubbing SM as much as they can. Especially when it’s a woman and the president has been blaming DEI in the military. (And if she was gay….even worse.) People are so nuts.

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Anonymous wrote:On Reddit, people said the wife of one of the pilots is being treated horribly. She had asked for people to share photos of her husband, and someone replied they should share photos of CRJ victims.

My call to everyone is to do something nice for others.

Text your government friend and let them know you appreciate their work.

Hold the door for someone.

Text a friend or family member, and let them know you love them.

Hope we can preserve aspects of a healthy society where we treat each other well.

It is shockingly insensitive for families of the helicopter pilots to be seeking that kind of attention under the circumstances.

Don’t think those families are less devastated? You suck.

Of course they're probably devastated. But sometimes it is not appropriate to publicly ask others to join in your grieving.

She posted on her personal facebook page. Presumably, the only people that would be looking at it and sharing would be her friends and family. If "the public" doesn't want to share and join in her grieving, they don't need to look at her page.

NP here. Maybe this is the pilot who has a child and the wife wanted to collect photos for the child. I’m old enough now to unfortunately have a few friends die, leaving behind young children and this seems like a common request (to gather photos for the kids).

Yes, it would be understandable to ask for photos-- privately.

I don't understand how the family thought posting publicly was going to go over well. How do you think people would react if the family of someone that just T-boned a school bus at high speed posted this?

It was a public fb post?!

Yes, it was. Maybe not intentionally.

It's on her personal page, but the setting she has is public. Maybe because she thought there might be other people that she doesn't know/aren't her facebook friends, that still might want to share memories or photos of her husband. For example, some of his old friends from high school that he hadn't kept in contact with in the last several years, but they heard about this and looked at his wife's page. They may have some very special memories from decades ago that they'd love to share with is wife.

Again, how do you think people would react if someone publicly asked for photos commemorating someone that just ran a red light and t-boned a school bus? Would you be posting in their defense?

No reports have been published. You are making an assumption that the pilots purposely ignored safety protocol (e.g. like running a red light). There is no evidence at that, at this time. You are using an illogical fallacy.

There is. Listen to the ATC audio. The helicopter was told to wait for the plane to pass in front of them.

That is one data point and not the whole picture. You have no insight into what was happening inside the BH. NTSB will release a wholistic report of what occurred.

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Anonymous wrote:If the female pilot was the evaluator of the pilot in training, she would be responsible.

There was a male pilot who was her evaluator.

Why is everyone focused on blaming her?

It was a male who put the training plans in place.

The female pilot was training.

Whenever American service members die in a training exercise, it's a tragedy.

How much money is spent on BS Virtual reality and augmented reality training and "serious" games with Meta and Microsoft and Bezos selling cheap plastic virtual reality glasses. Millions of dollars spent on BS "training" that isn't true simulation training. A true simulator is a BH helicopter simulator not a BS video game. That costs too much.

Think people.

Dig deeper.

The ONLY person who could have had DIRECT influence on the pitch, altitude, speed and direction of the BH those last 5-7 seconds was a Pilot in Command strapped in to all four directional controls.

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Anonymous wrote:On Reddit, people said the wife of one of the pilots is being treated horribly. She had asked for people to share photos of her husband, and someone replied they should share photos of CRJ victims.

My call to everyone is to do something nice for others.

Text your government friend and let them know you appreciate their work.

Hold the door for someone.

Text a friend or family member, and let them know you love them.

Hope we can preserve aspects of a healthy society where we treat each other well.

Everyone’s confused and trying to take a page from Luigi Mangione and that harassment lawsuit where every side blasts their view, life photos, etc in order to build support and humanize their person.

Gotta love social media and chat rooms. 2025.

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Anonymous wrote:I do think it’s odd all of the female pilot’s social media was completely scrubbed. But also her siblings and her parents.

You are personally snooping around random people's social media? Why?

Therre is no such thing as social media snooping. If one posts somethig that can be veiewed by strangers, it is de facto public.

Why are you doing it?

Why would someone want to know about the person that just killed a plane full of innocent kids? That is your question?

No one knows what happened until we get a full investigation. You are a jackass who wants to point fingers and jump to conclusions and go thru some dead stranger's socials with a magnifying glass trying to pin blame. Oh! She drank a margarita last year, she must have been drunk! Etc etc. What a ghoul you are.

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Anonymous wrote:I do think it’s odd all of the female pilot’s social media was completely scrubbed. But also her siblings and her parents.

Why? It’s the first thing I would do.

Because the other pilots and crew involved were released immediately, either willingly or not, I don’t know. They didn’t take extreme time and measures to erase all traces of them the public could potentially judge. And when you are involved in killing a bunch of people, the public will judge. By them not allowing military to release her name and then scrubbing all traces of narrative about her except what they explicitly publish, it seems like something is being hidden she would be judged harshly for- beyond her gender alone

I don't know why you need to create this elaborate narrative full of nefarious intentions when we know, factually, we saw and heard with our own eyes and ears that the President of the United States judged, scapegoated, and vilified her in front of the world. Was that not enough for the family to feel the need to protect themselves in your eyes? The ghoul-in-chief set up this environment of harsh judgement of her. The blame is on him for how things have played out, not the family who have been put into this excruciatingly difficult situation by his childish tantrum.

The reason behind their actions, to me, is so simple and obvious.

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If I died is some high profile accident, I would 100% want all my photos, etc taken down before my name was publicized, because people are nosy jackholes.