FCPS Boundary Review Updates

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This page used to have a big section on One Fairfax and rezoning. Now it just has a tiny blurb that doesn't make sense in the context of everything else.

I wonder when the district changed the page.

https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/school-boundary-adjustments/boundary-policy

This?
https://www.fcps.edu/onefairfax

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What are the numbers shared here?? Poster - can you please share the header or some way to interpret this data??

2 Jackson falles church 96 Thoreau
5 Frost woodson 62 47 Poe + 15 Holmes
5 Kilmer marshall 39 Thorau
2 Longfellow mclean 14 Kilmer immersion?

FCPS/Thru treats us all like dolts and doesn't provide them. Headers are:
region MS HS transfers into where a school sends >10. FCPS uses <10 if any school sends 1 to 9. FCPS does NOT provide the MS transfer number from any site for AAP just like it does not provide IB to AP or AP to IB. Big slop.

Region 2 Jackson Middle school is Falls Church HS pyramid . Receives 96 transfers from Thoreau plus 3 from 3 sites sending <10. Transfer reasons 75 AAP+1 miscellaneous + 21 pending verification + 1 student transfer reg. It is April so I guess FCPS just leaves stuff unverified all school year?

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Anonymous wrote:I think connecting the timber lane island with a bit from falls hill so it’s “connected” on map is fine if it’s needed but don’t think we need to extend to 50. My kid went to timber lane. Longfellow, and now is at McLean. We are equal distant to McLean, Marshall, and Falls church but the kids by 50 are much closer to falls church.

They are doing anything to bump capacity up at Cooper and Langley to cut FHES to Herndon.

Sending kids that border Loudoun Co. to Langley is insane.

As insane as sending kids near 50 to McLean? because I looked and it adds the exact same amount of time to their commute.

Like it or not, the difference to HMS is within a couple minutes commute of Cooper and less than ten to HHS vs Langley.

Your equity obsession is showing.

They aren't proposing (yet) to send kids near Route 50 to McLean, just to Longfellow. They would leave these kids at Falls Church. Of course, that's even more bizarre, since about 95% of Longfellow goes to McLean. I guess they left them at Falls Church because they didn't want to add kids to overcrowded McLean, and maybe they even realized Falls Church is getting expanded, but all that should have also suggested leaving these kids at Jackson and maintaining the fairly even split feeder at Timber Lane.

Same analysis holds for Longfellow. The person who thinks it’s insane to send great falls to Langley surely feels the same about busing these poor kids to Longfellow, right?

I don't think that the proposed Timber Lane/Longfellow adjustment to 50 makes any sense. But if you are trying to convince me that Forestville should go anywhere other than Herndon, you'll fail. If I pick a nice central location on Seneca, it is 4 miles and less than 10 min from Herndon. It is 11 miles and 22 minutes (non-rush!) to Langley. There's simply no argument except people want to go to the rich school.

But I'm not just going to call out Forestville. Why is Westbriar the way it is, and why on earth would the western kids go to Marshall? Langley, Marshall, Madison, and McLean need to be more compact and be prepped to divide up any growth in Tysons.

You are picking the furthest point in Forestville intentionally, and it’s clear what your agenda is. The fact is that on average from Forestville you save two minutes to HMS than Cooper, and 9 to HHS from Langley. Those are rounding errors, despite you trying to convince everyone that it’s otherwise.

I already know you’ll call me an “equity warrior” but Katy Perry could have seen that FVES should go to Herndon from her little outer space jaunt.

So, who should go to Langley to replace them?

They are slowly sneaking the over-capacity McLean into Langley. The 4/11 projections are sneaky because the new capacities are WITH modulars. There should be an additional column to show new capacities WITHOUT.

CIP provides these projections and McLean for example, goes from 103% to 118% for 2030 with and then without modulars.

They will re-highlight the need to rid of modulars for the capacity studies even though parents have said it’s fine to have them.

Many of the 4/11 capacities sitting under their new limit of 105% will sky rocket - hence, Franklin Sherman moving into Langley, pushing FVES out. The other Langley ES schools have have some capacity shifts as well towards under-capacity Great Falls ES.

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Anonymous wrote:I think connecting the timber lane island with a bit from falls hill so it’s “connected” on map is fine if it’s needed but don’t think we need to extend to 50. My kid went to timber lane. Longfellow, and now is at McLean. We are equal distant to McLean, Marshall, and Falls church but the kids by 50 are much closer to falls church.

They are doing anything to bump capacity up at Cooper and Langley to cut FHES to Herndon.

Sending kids that border Loudoun Co. to Langley is insane.

As insane as sending kids near 50 to McLean? because I looked and it adds the exact same amount of time to their commute.

Like it or not, the difference to HMS is within a couple minutes commute of Cooper and less than ten to HHS vs Langley.

Your equity obsession is showing.

They aren't proposing (yet) to send kids near Route 50 to McLean, just to Longfellow. They would leave these kids at Falls Church. Of course, that's even more bizarre, since about 95% of Longfellow goes to McLean. I guess they left them at Falls Church because they didn't want to add kids to overcrowded McLean, and maybe they even realized Falls Church is getting expanded, but all that should have also suggested leaving these kids at Jackson and maintaining the fairly even split feeder at Timber Lane.

Same analysis holds for Longfellow. The person who thinks it’s insane to send great falls to Langley surely feels the same about busing these poor kids to Longfellow, right?

I don't think that the proposed Timber Lane/Longfellow adjustment to 50 makes any sense. But if you are trying to convince me that Forestville should go anywhere other than Herndon, you'll fail. If I pick a nice central location on Seneca, it is 4 miles and less than 10 min from Herndon. It is 11 miles and 22 minutes (non-rush!) to Langley. There's simply no argument except people want to go to the rich school.

But I'm not just going to call out Forestville. Why is Westbriar the way it is, and why on earth would the western kids go to Marshall? Langley, Marshall, Madison, and McLean need to be more compact and be prepped to divide up any growth in Tysons.

You are picking the furthest point in Forestville intentionally, and it’s clear what your agenda is. The fact is that on average from Forestville you save two minutes to HMS than Cooper, and 9 to HHS from Langley. Those are rounding errors, despite you trying to convince everyone that it’s otherwise.

I already know you’ll call me an “equity warrior” but Katy Perry could have seen that FVES should go to Herndon from her little outer space jaunt.

So, who should go to Langley to replace them?

They are slowly sneaking the over-capacity McLean into Langley. The 4/11 projections are sneaky because the new capacities are WITH modulars. There should be an additional column to show new capacities WITHOUT.

CIP provides these projections and McLean for example, goes from 103% to 118% for 2030 with and then without modulars.

They will re-highlight the need to rid of modulars for the capacity studies even though parents have said it’s fine to have them.

Many of the 4/11 capacities sitting under their new limit of 105% will sky rocket - hence, Franklin Sherman moving into Langley, pushing FVES out. The other Langley ES schools have have some capacity shifts as well towards under-capacity Great Falls ES.

some parents are fine with modulars and some are not.

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Anonymous wrote:I think connecting the timber lane island with a bit from falls hill so it’s “connected” on map is fine if it’s needed but don’t think we need to extend to 50. My kid went to timber lane. Longfellow, and now is at McLean. We are equal distant to McLean, Marshall, and Falls church but the kids by 50 are much closer to falls church.

They are doing anything to bump capacity up at Cooper and Langley to cut FHES to Herndon.

Sending kids that border Loudoun Co. to Langley is insane.

As insane as sending kids near 50 to McLean? because I looked and it adds the exact same amount of time to their commute.

Like it or not, the difference to HMS is within a couple minutes commute of Cooper and less than ten to HHS vs Langley.

Your equity obsession is showing.

They aren't proposing (yet) to send kids near Route 50 to McLean, just to Longfellow. They would leave these kids at Falls Church. Of course, that's even more bizarre, since about 95% of Longfellow goes to McLean. I guess they left them at Falls Church because they didn't want to add kids to overcrowded McLean, and maybe they even realized Falls Church is getting expanded, but all that should have also suggested leaving these kids at Jackson and maintaining the fairly even split feeder at Timber Lane.

Same analysis holds for Longfellow. The person who thinks it’s insane to send great falls to Langley surely feels the same about busing these poor kids to Longfellow, right?

I don't think that the proposed Timber Lane/Longfellow adjustment to 50 makes any sense. But if you are trying to convince me that Forestville should go anywhere other than Herndon, you'll fail. If I pick a nice central location on Seneca, it is 4 miles and less than 10 min from Herndon. It is 11 miles and 22 minutes (non-rush!) to Langley. There's simply no argument except people want to go to the rich school.

But I'm not just going to call out Forestville. Why is Westbriar the way it is, and why on earth would the western kids go to Marshall? Langley, Marshall, Madison, and McLean need to be more compact and be prepped to divide up any growth in Tysons.

You are picking the furthest point in Forestville intentionally, and it’s clear what your agenda is. The fact is that on average from Forestville you save two minutes to HMS than Cooper, and 9 to HHS from Langley. Those are rounding errors, despite you trying to convince everyone that it’s otherwise.

I already know you’ll call me an “equity warrior” but Katy Perry could have seen that FVES should go to Herndon from her little outer space jaunt.

So, who should go to Langley to replace them?

They are slowly sneaking the over-capacity McLean into Langley. The 4/11 projections are sneaky because the new capacities are WITH modulars. There should be an additional column to show new capacities WITHOUT.

CIP provides these projections and McLean for example, goes from 103% to 118% for 2030 with and then without modulars.

They will re-highlight the need to rid of modulars for the capacity studies even though parents have said it’s fine to have them.

Many of the 4/11 capacities sitting under their new limit of 105% will sky rocket - hence, Franklin Sherman moving into Langley, pushing FVES out. The other Langley ES schools have have some capacity shifts as well towards under-capacity Great Falls ES.

Maybe they just realized modulars as opposed to trailers weren’t so bad after all.

[Anonymous]

They don’t have to touch the McLean/Langley line. All they have to do is move “The Exchange at Springhill Station” from Marshall to Langley and in five years move part of the western part of Langley to Herndon.

[Anonymous]

Are all slides from 4/11 available. Are all high schools available or just ones affected by other changes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They don’t have to touch the McLean/Langley line. All they have to do is move “The Exchange at Springhill Station” from Marshall to Langley and in five years move part of the western part of Langley to Herndon.

Someone is really trying hard to bait the Langley folks today.

There’s fact is that, until the May meeting where we’ll see if they are doing anything with the Langley/Herndon boundary, Langley is sitting pretty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are all slides from 4/11 available. Are all high schools available or just ones affected by other changes?

Those are all the slides. They only did attendance islands changes and those impacted.

4/25 is split feeders which were identified in 3/26 slides but unsure which and where they will go. 5/5 is capacity which will impact many, many more.

They are building it up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“1 Carson oakton 273 Franklin”

Franklin sending 273 kids to Carson for AAP is crazy!! Yeah - they are ripe for being their own AAP center and eliminating one source of split feeder from Carson!

I would love to know the split of those kids between Oakton and Chantilly. I would guess more than half go to Chantilly.

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Yeah - that’s what another poster said

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Anonymous wrote:They don’t have to touch the McLean/Langley line. All they have to do is move “The Exchange at Springhill Station” from Marshall to Langley and in five years move part of the western part of Langley to Herndon.

Someone is really trying hard to bait the Langley folks today.

There’s fact is that, until the May meeting where we’ll see if they are doing anything with the Langley/Herndon boundary, Langley is sitting pretty.

I can’t wait for this 5/5 meeting to be over. Ready for the bandaid to be ripped off.

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Anonymous wrote:Any idea roughly what % of Carson goes to each of the 4 high schools? With the new <25% guideline on split feeders, let’s see which are the likely high schools which will be most impacted.

I am pretty sure Carson's boundaries only split to three high schools-- Oakton, Westfield, and South Lakes. I am guessing it's approximately 33% of each, but that's based on a visual estimate based on looking at boundary maps, so it's not scientific at all.

The students who go to Chantilly are actually from the Franklin district, but they chose Carson for AAP.

Yes only three way split for non AAP.

Elementary schools for Carson non AAP are Coates, McNair, Floris, Fox Mill and Crossfield.

Only Crossfield kids go to Oakton. (so roughly 20% or less)

Only Fox Mill and a small pocket of Floris kids go to SLHS (roughly 25% or less).

Carson non AAP is more or less Westfield feeder. It’s just it’s AAP is huge and many AAP kids go to Chantilly or Oakton.

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Only Fox Mill and a small pocket of Floris kids go to SLHS (roughly 25% or less).

It's far more than a small pocket of Floris going to South Lakes. It may not be half, but it is more than a pocket.
Add that to Fox Mill, and I would guess it is close to 30 % of those in boundary. (Some may PP out.)

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah — looking at the numbers — Carson will be the toughest split feeder to fix.

Franklin and Chantilly fix is possible if kids return to their base school. That may be an easier pill to digest given both schools are excellent in their own right.

Also the TJ 1.5% change, increases the appeal of Franklin MS as Carson is the biggest loser with the TJ admission changes.

Carson was built big. Base on it's location maybe split feed with Herndon spinning off the huge Hutchison so an AAP center fits in Herndon MS. Doing anything is always a problem with IB at South Lakes. ...just waiting for FCPS to proclaim the desirability of IB based on transfers from Herndon...

Just incredible that FCPS/Thru sits BRAC by region...Marshall!!!

1 Carson oakton 273 Franklin
5 Rocky Run chantilly 239 124 Liberty+86 Stone+ 29 Franklin
4 Lake Braddock lake braddock 236 54 Robinson+31 Hayfield + 11Holmess+106 Irving =34 Key
3 Twain edison 155 88 Hayfield+ 67 Key
2 Glasgow justice 130 29 Poe+ 101 Holmes
1 Hughes south lakes 118 Herndon
3 Sandburg west potomac 101 Whitman
6 Hayfield hayfield 100 Mount Vernon massive for no AAP
2 Jackson falles church 96 Thoreau
5 Frost woodson 62 47 Poe + 15 Holmes
5 Kilmer marshall 39 Thorau
2 Longfellow mclean 14 Kilmer immersion?

There's absolutely no reason that 273 students should be transferred from Franklin to Carson because of AAP and then another 29 from Franklin to Rocky Run. It sounds to me that with those 300+ students, Franklin absolutely should have its own dedicated AAP program.