Plane crash DCA?

[Anonymous]

On Reddit, people said the wife of one of the pilots is being treated horribly. She had asked for people to share photos of her husband, and someone replied they should share photos of CRJ victims.

My call to everyone is to do something nice for others.

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Hold the door for someone.

Text a friend or family member, and let them know you love them.

Hope we can preserve aspects of a healthy society where we treat each other well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the female pilot was the evaluator of the pilot in training, she would be responsible.

There was a male pilot who was her evaluator.

Why is everyone focused on blaming her?

It was a male who put the training plans in place.

The female pilot was training.

Whenever American service members die in a training exercise, it's a tragedy.

How much money is spent on BS Virtual reality and augmented reality training and "serious" games with Meta and Microsoft and Bezos selling cheap plastic virtual reality glasses. Millions of dollars spent on BS "training" that isn't true simulation training. A true simulator is a BH helicopter simulator not a BS video game. That costs too much.

Think people.

Dig deeper.

Disagree. This wasn’t flight school. She has been out of flight school at least a couple yrs now. This was “annual training” meaning a box check you do every year. She should have 100% known what she was doing and she could hear what was being said on radio. Now that is assuming he was at radio and she was at controls. She wouldn’t be 100% culpable bc the copilot should have tried to correct, maybe he did, we don’t know. But whoever was behind the controls does take the brunt of responsibility, but not all. Assuming she was at controls and copilot at the radio, but we don’t know for certain yet if that is the case either. Just going on the experts that all say that is the usual setup

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Geez. Her plan was ultimately to go to med school (high MCAT scores) but she wanted to serve first. Respect. I’m sorry for everyone involved in this, what a tragedy.

It not that she "wanted" to serve, she was obligated to serve after ROTC program that paid for her undergrad education.

I don't think you are right. Read she didn't start ROTC until junior year.

Plus she was 28. She long finished whatever commitment she had.

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Anonymous wrote:28 years old.

Can someone explain how someone so young in the military was… a both a high ranking helicopter pilot and moonlighting as a White House aide?

The WH social aide gig is a prestigious thing. The ones I know went on to become a US Senator and a CEO.

Funny how the posters with pitchforks seem quiet now that she’s been named.

The PR angle of listing her prizes and awards and accolades was smart. They made the story instead of letting Trump make the story.

People cooled down because it appeared to be a middle class white woman and the fish they were hoping to catch was a transwoman given the anti-trans political shift. I totally disagree that hailing how wonderful someone who piloted a helicopter into 64 civilians on a plane was a stroke of PR genius. A stroke of trying the old tricks that had been proven to have failed miserably and for good couple months ago more likely. Just say nothing, yes there's a gullible public, and you can spin a lot, but not someone who piloted a helicopter into 64 civilians into a hero. Any commendation of her just will make people hate her more.

+1

Things cooled down, esp by Trump, because reports are her family were Trump supporters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry if I missed something - do we have an FAA chief yet or still no? Still thinking we don't need one?

The previous one didn't do anything about it. Was he good at his job or just another mediocre middle manager?

I don't remember there being two plane crashes in three days during the last administration. But perhaps I just wasn't as paying as much attention.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:On Reddit, people said the wife of one of the pilots is being treated horribly. She had asked for people to share photos of her husband, and someone replied they should share photos of CRJ victims.

My call to everyone is to do something nice for others.

Text your government friend and let them know you appreciate their work.

Hold the door for someone.

Text a friend or family member, and let them know you love them.

Hope we can preserve aspects of a healthy society where we treat each other well.

It is shockingly insensitive for families of the helicopter pilots to be seeking that kind of attention under the circumstances.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Geez. Her plan was ultimately to go to med school (high MCAT scores) but she wanted to serve first. Respect. I’m sorry for everyone involved in this, what a tragedy.

It not that she "wanted" to serve, she was obligated to serve after ROTC program that paid for her undergrad education.

I don't think you are right. Read she didn't start ROTC until junior year.

Plus she was 28. She long finished whatever commitment she had.

+1. Also she was in state at UNC. It’s not that expensive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:On Reddit, people said the wife of one of the pilots is being treated horribly. She had asked for people to share photos of her husband, and someone replied they should share photos of CRJ victims.

My call to everyone is to do something nice for others.

Text your government friend and let them know you appreciate their work.

Hold the door for someone.

Text a friend or family member, and let them know you love them.

Hope we can preserve aspects of a healthy society where we treat each other well.

It is shockingly insensitive for families of the helicopter pilots to be seeking that kind of attention under the circumstances.

Don’t think those families are less devastated? You suck.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is possible that if the helicopter saw the plane at the last minute, that is why they went up - to try and go over the plane. The plane was descending so their only option at close distance would have been to go over the top.

According to the pilot forum and their airport maps, planes should be at ~280 feet as they cross the east bank of the river when coming in to runway 33.

The TCAS (collision alert system) turns off when they are that low to the ground and in landing mode so they wouldn't have gotten a warning of a collision.

The warning was going off for the ATC but if you watch the video of the day before, the PAT11 helicopter set off the warning system 3 times in its one flight so they must be very used to hearing it go off.

I don’t know but when I listened to the ATC instructions they specifically tell the BH to confirm it sees the jet descending to land at runway 33, which requires planes to come diagonally across the Potomac (which there is less than 1 mile long) from Bolling in DC to the north of Daingerfield Island in Virginia/DCA. It literally jets across from east to west. NOT the runway that has planes line up behind the WW Bridge so they are coming up the middle of the Potomac.

The BH not only was too high, it was too far west. Did the BH not know the difference between runway 33 and the other 2 runways?

According to the pilot forum, it is extremely common practice for the helicopters on route 4 to go down the middle of the river instead of hugging the bank. They had a few reasons why they do that but none were surprised or thought this was anything out of the ordinary.

My armchair assessment after reading the pilot forums is to agree with their assessment. The BH crew were running various tasks and checklists so their attention was divided. They saw the line of air traffic straight ahead and thought that was who they had visual on, not realizing there was a plane to their left turning in to cross the river. They were west and high but not in any atypical pattern given how heicopters often fly Route 4. According to the pilots, between reflections in the water, city lights, and the disorientation of night and difficulty judging distance, they didn't realize they were on a collision course. They saw the plane at the last second and tried to correct and miss but it was too late.

Route 1 for helos is north of Wilson bridge and Old Town, and requires 200’ max alt.

Route 4 is south of Wilson bridge and you can do 400’ max alto and sure, drift around the river for fun.

Big difference. ACTIVE AIRPORT!

I used to work in the office building next to the Torpedo Art Factory, right south of DCA on the river.

Correct, Black hawks came down on the east and were often barely above the tree line of Bolling. 150 feet high. Maybe they popped up to clear the next bridge and then go more middle of River away from the National harbor and Ferris wheel (have also been on that when black hawks went by, south of Wilson bridge).

Kennedy Center is 109 feet tall so I guess the upper terrace is 80? Washington Monument is 555 feet. We never saw helicoptors from the Kennedy Center views [Reach, main level terrace, upper level terrace] that looked like they were 325 feet. It seems 450 flying hours total should be low for these DC routes. Especially the captain - 3 pay grades above the far more experienced people on that flight?

Enough problems wihout pilots having low hours and errors: (1)Reagan is scary due to the politically inspired overcapacity, limited airspace, congestion. (2) Airborne jump from planes and low altidude helicoptors. Very risky and also done at night with full combat loads.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:On Reddit, people said the wife of one of the pilots is being treated horribly. She had asked for people to share photos of her husband, and someone replied they should share photos of CRJ victims.

My call to everyone is to do something nice for others.

Text your government friend and let them know you appreciate their work.

Hold the door for someone.

Text a friend or family member, and let them know you love them.

Hope we can preserve aspects of a healthy society where we treat each other well.

It is shockingly insensitive for families of the helicopter pilots to be seeking that kind of attention under the circumstances.

Don’t think those families are less devastated? You suck.

Of course they're probably devastated. But sometimes it is not appropriate to publicly ask others to join in your grieving.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On Reddit, people said the wife of one of the pilots is being treated horribly. She had asked for people to share photos of her husband, and someone replied they should share photos of CRJ victims.

My call to everyone is to do something nice for others.

Text your government friend and let them know you appreciate their work.

Hold the door for someone.

Text a friend or family member, and let them know you love them.

Hope we can preserve aspects of a healthy society where we treat each other well.

It is shockingly insensitive for families of the helicopter pilots to be seeking that kind of attention under the circumstances.

Don’t think those families are less devastated? You suck.

Of course they're probably devastated. But sometimes it is not appropriate to publicly ask others to join in your grieving.

She posted on her personal facebook page. Presumably, the only people that would be looking at it and sharing would be her friends and family. If "the public" doesn't want to share and join in her grieving, they don't need to look at her page.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:On Reddit, people said the wife of one of the pilots is being treated horribly. She had asked for people to share photos of her husband, and someone replied they should share photos of CRJ victims.

My call to everyone is to do something nice for others.

Text your government friend and let them know you appreciate their work.

Hold the door for someone.

Text a friend or family member, and let them know you love them.

Hope we can preserve aspects of a healthy society where we treat each other well.

It is shockingly insensitive for families of the helicopter pilots to be seeking that kind of attention under the circumstances.

Don’t think those families are less devastated? You suck.

Of course they're probably devastated. But sometimes it is not appropriate to publicly ask others to join in your grieving.

Their true friends would understand. I guess they have fake jerk friends on their socials.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:On Reddit, people said the wife of one of the pilots is being treated horribly. She had asked for people to share photos of her husband, and someone replied they should share photos of CRJ victims.

My call to everyone is to do something nice for others.

Text your government friend and let them know you appreciate their work.

Hold the door for someone.

Text a friend or family member, and let them know you love them.

Hope we can preserve aspects of a healthy society where we treat each other well.

It is shockingly insensitive for families of the helicopter pilots to be seeking that kind of attention under the circumstances.

Don’t think those families are less devastated? You suck.

Of course they're probably devastated. But sometimes it is not appropriate to publicly ask others to join in your grieving.

She posted on her personal facebook page. Presumably, the only people that would be looking at it and sharing would be her friends and family. If "the public" doesn't want to share and join in her grieving, they don't need to look at her page.

NP here. Maybe this is the pilot who has a child and the wife wanted to collect photos for the child. I’m old enough now to unfortunately have a few friends die, leaving behind young children and this seems like a common request (to gather photos for the kids).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On Reddit, people said the wife of one of the pilots is being treated horribly. She had asked for people to share photos of her husband, and someone replied they should share photos of CRJ victims.

My call to everyone is to do something nice for others.

Text your government friend and let them know you appreciate their work.

Hold the door for someone.

Text a friend or family member, and let them know you love them.

Hope we can preserve aspects of a healthy society where we treat each other well.

It is shockingly insensitive for families of the helicopter pilots to be seeking that kind of attention under the circumstances.

Don’t think those families are less devastated? You suck.

Of course they're probably devastated. But sometimes it is not appropriate to publicly ask others to join in your grieving.

She posted on her personal facebook page. Presumably, the only people that would be looking at it and sharing would be her friends and family. If "the public" doesn't want to share and join in her grieving, they don't need to look at her page.

NP here. Maybe this is the pilot who has a child and the wife wanted to collect photos for the child. I’m old enough now to unfortunately have a few friends die, leaving behind young children and this seems like a common request (to gather photos for the kids).

The services take care of their own. There are many mechanisms by which tribute items are shared so that is not a reason to keep the page up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:On Reddit, people said the wife of one of the pilots is being treated horribly. She had asked for people to share photos of her husband, and someone replied they should share photos of CRJ victims.

My call to everyone is to do something nice for others.

Text your government friend and let them know you appreciate their work.

Hold the door for someone.

Text a friend or family member, and let them know you love them.

Hope we can preserve aspects of a healthy society where we treat each other well.

It is shockingly insensitive for families of the helicopter pilots to be seeking that kind of attention under the circumstances.

Don’t think those families are less devastated? You suck.

Of course they're probably devastated. But sometimes it is not appropriate to publicly ask others to join in your grieving.

She posted on her personal facebook page. Presumably, the only people that would be looking at it and sharing would be her friends and family. If "the public" doesn't want to share and join in her grieving, they don't need to look at her page.

It doesn't get more public than posting on the Internet.