ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

That statement is definitely a warning to all clubs to prepare. They admit they have been discussing all year, you don’t put forward a press release if there is no change ahead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting statement, nothing is decided:

https://usclubsoccer.org/us-club-soccer-us-youth-soccer-ayso-statement-on-forthcoming-u-s-soccer-decision-regarding-age-group-formation-by-school-year-vs-calendar-year/


Let'w wait.

I was on the fence about if it were happening but this email made me solidly in the camp that they are going to change. Think about it, if there was a vote and it was a no, then why would they throw out the 12/31/24 date? This seems to be happening but I assume the regulatory bodies heard from their constituents that they needed to say something because all the DOCs were getting tired of parents constantly asking. now the DOCS have some air cover for at least two months.

They get AYSO on board with them. I think they get the majority they want.

They put so much effort into it that they want the change. Now, three sanction organizations are in sync. I think they are the majority in the vote.

[Anonymous]

Can someone explain the difference between all the leagues and what/how such a decision would be made? What’s the relationship between the entities in the latest press release and the leagues they represent? Why is US soccer the top dog that makes the decision? Is the decision a majority vote by these various organizations?

[Anonymous]

Going cynical here. This all has felt like a play for ECNL to gain market share.

Now there is definitely logic behind a switch, but I don't think ECNL is acting in good faith here. I think there hope is to split the MLS Next/ GA clubs to gain market share either on the boys side and/or eliminate GA once and for all. I don't see MLS switching, the vast majority of their clubs also have GA/DPL. From a chess perspective, it seems like a shrewd business move on the part of ECNL guised in the trapped player problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain the difference between all the leagues and what/how such a decision would be made? What’s the relationship between the entities in the latest press release and the leagues they represent? Why is US soccer the top dog that makes the decision? Is the decision a majority vote by these various organizations?

Clubs -> Leagues -> Sanctioing Groups -> US Soccer

US Soccer is also above MLS NWSL USM/WNTs but it's just a group of elected representatives from different aspects of the American soccer landscape who work to maintain the integrity and definition of the game. US Soccer has power but also doesn't have power over everyone that flows up to it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Going cynical here. This all has felt like a play for ECNL to gain market share.

Now there is definitely logic behind a switch, but I don't think ECNL is acting in good faith here. I think there hope is to split the MLS Next/ GA clubs to gain market share either on the boys side and/or eliminate GA once and for all. I don't see MLS switching, the vast majority of their clubs also have GA/DPL. From a chess perspective, it seems like a shrewd business move on the part of ECNL guised in the trapped player problem.

Nothing ECNL can do will change it's second tier status to MLSN on the boys side.

GA and DPL will switch to BY and nothing will change.

NWSL Next will become even more of a possibility because it would likely be aligned to BY like MLSN and completely separate from SY (ECNL) leagues. Which would make it easy to implement for clubs because it would be completely separate from everything that already exists.

[Anonymous]

Sorry switch to SY not BY

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Going cynical here. This all has felt like a play for ECNL to gain market share.

Now there is definitely logic behind a switch, but I don't think ECNL is acting in good faith here. I think there hope is to split the MLS Next/ GA clubs to gain market share either on the boys side and/or eliminate GA once and for all. I don't see MLS switching, the vast majority of their clubs also have GA/DPL. From a chess perspective, it seems like a shrewd business move on the part of ECNL guised in the trapped player problem.

The US club email made it sound like this was coming from US soccer and was having all the leagues gather input to make a decision?

[Anonymous]

Maybe we have it all backwards? What if us soccer is the one who likes the idea of school year cut offs because ECNL was pushing it. As USSF strategic vision member and ECNL president are buddies. Maybe Us club and the others are saying we don’t want to do this but ECNL who’s also tied to us club is pushing them also.

Tin foil hat is on. Half joking also.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe we have it all backwards? What if us soccer is the one who likes the idea of school year cut offs because ECNL was pushing it. As USSF strategic vision member and ECNL president are buddies. Maybe Us club and the others are saying we don’t want to do this but ECNL who’s also tied to us club is pushing them also.

Tin foil hat is on. Half joking also.

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I agree with the fist part you say.

However not the second part, because ECNL is the most important part of USCS !

Actually ECNL is sanctioned by USCS. I don’t see USCS disagreeing with itself (ECNL).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Going cynical here. This all has felt like a play for ECNL to gain market share.

Now there is definitely logic behind a switch, but I don't think ECNL is acting in good faith here. I think there hope is to split the MLS Next/ GA clubs to gain market share either on the boys side and/or eliminate GA once and for all. I don't see MLS switching, the vast majority of their clubs also have GA/DPL. From a chess perspective, it seems like a shrewd business move on the part of ECNL guised in the trapped player problem.

Nothing ECNL can do will change it's second tier status to MLSN on the boys side.

GA and DPL will switch to BY and nothing will change.

NWSL Next will become even more of a possibility because it would likely be aligned to BY like MLSN and completely separate from SY (ECNL) leagues. Which would make it easy to implement for clubs because it would be completely separate from everything that already exists.

Don’t you get it? ECNL doesn’t care about ceding the pro pathway to MLS Next. They will capture even more of the college share with this change which is just what they want. And they already have all the girls so don’t have anything to worry about there either. Quite brilliantly aligns with their HS to college bus model and there will be plenty of boys on board with this because they are not then.001% who turn pro or want to turn pro..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Going cynical here. This all has felt like a play for ECNL to gain market share.

Now there is definitely logic behind a switch, but I don't think ECNL is acting in good faith here. I think there hope is to split the MLS Next/ GA clubs to gain market share either on the boys side and/or eliminate GA once and for all. I don't see MLS switching, the vast majority of their clubs also have GA/DPL. From a chess perspective, it seems like a shrewd business move on the part of ECNL guised in the trapped player problem.

There are still a number of clubs with
GA and ECNL boys
MLS Next and ECNL girls.

Slippery slope here..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This change is going to make for some very interesting and tough decisions for club directors.

The previous change, going from SY to BY, was straightforward. The oldest players on the team (Aug -Sept) were no longer eligible for their current team unless the entire team played up an age - which wasn't practical under near all circumstances. This change may have been tough for Aug-Dec kids as they were forced from their old team as the oldest kids, onto their new team as the youngest kids. But the change was very easy and straightforward for club directors. There were no decisions to be made on where to place kids. Teams were partially broken up, but this was not at the discretion of club directors, it was the rule of all youth soccer.

But the upcoming change, going from SY to BY, is anything but straightforward in implementation at the club level. No player on any team will become ineligible by the age rule change. Instead, club directors will have tremendous discretion on how changes at the club level are implemented, because they now have 16 months of kids that are eligible (the existing team plus 4 months of previously older Aug-Dec kids) for each 12 month SY age bracket.

With the upcoming change, no team will be forced to break up due to age eligibility by the new youth soccer rules, but will teams be forced to break up by club directors? Very interesting decisions ahead.

Why can’t the new rule simply be ‘on the later of Aug 1st or the date that the child was eligible to start school, but no later that Sept 1’? That only provides one month of flexibility and gets around the northeast Sept 1 school cutoff.

And where do you put the home schoolers that like to pick their grade.

Or the private schools that cater to letting kids start a year late.

Irrelevant point. SY does not equal grade. It means mid year cut off

Doesn’t matter what school grade you are in. Matters when you were born so no redshirts played skirt the system.

Next argument?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Going cynical here. This all has felt like a play for ECNL to gain market share.

Now there is definitely logic behind a switch, but I don't think ECNL is acting in good faith here. I think there hope is to split the MLS Next/ GA clubs to gain market share either on the boys side and/or eliminate GA once and for all. I don't see MLS switching, the vast majority of their clubs also have GA/DPL. From a chess perspective, it seems like a shrewd business move on the part of ECNL guised in the trapped player problem.

Nothing ECNL can do will change it's second tier status to MLSN on the boys side.

GA and DPL will switch to BY and nothing will change.

NWSL Next will become even more of a possibility because it would likely be aligned to BY like MLSN and completely separate from SY (ECNL) leagues. Which would make it easy to implement for clubs because it would be completely separate from everything that already exists.

You and your MLSn kid is going to get smacked in the face come recruiting time. There really is no difference, even with most of the kids on DCU. They will go to college and ride the bench just the like the encl kid that gets recruited. That's if your kid gets recruited. Most likely with what is happening with college soccer, your DS won't get recruited and will just go to college like 99.5% of soccer kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Going cynical here. This all has felt like a play for ECNL to gain market share.

Now there is definitely logic behind a switch, but I don't think ECNL is acting in good faith here. I think there hope is to split the MLS Next/ GA clubs to gain market share either on the boys side and/or eliminate GA once and for all. I don't see MLS switching, the vast majority of their clubs also have GA/DPL. From a chess perspective, it seems like a shrewd business move on the part of ECNL guised in the trapped player problem.

Nothing ECNL can do will change it's second tier status to MLSN on the boys side.

GA and DPL will switch to BY and nothing will change.

NWSL Next will become even more of a possibility because it would likely be aligned to BY like MLSN and completely separate from SY (ECNL) leagues. Which would make it easy to implement for clubs because it would be completely separate from everything that already exists.

You and your MLSn kid is going to get smacked in the face come recruiting time. There really is no difference, even with most of the kids on DCU. They will go to college and ride the bench just the like the encl kid that gets recruited. That's if your kid gets recruited. Most likely with what is happening with college soccer, your DS won't get recruited and will just go to college like 99.5% of soccer kids.

Haha so not true. But have fun thinking it is.

MLSN is first tier ECNL is second tier