What happened to this California family?

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Anonymous wrote:The naïveté here astounds me.
Has anyone considered that not all women bond with their children? Or, even want them? Or attend to them properly?

Perhaps Gerrish was concerned baby M was being neglected during his office hours and employed a nanny so he could focus on his work without interruption and fear something might go wrong.

Maybe Chung didn’t want to “mother” and preferred screen and yoga time. Maybe she disliked dirty diapers, crying, snotty nosed, teething toddlers. Just because a few people say complimentary things doesn’t make it so. It only means what they observed appeared normal.

Off the top of my head I can list at least fifty cases of women
killing their kids. And most of the women had flattering comments about their parenting skills prior to murdering them.

You can list 50 cases of women killing their kids OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD?

Statistically it is not common, although yes it does happen, and is more likely to happen in the post partum period.

I am not saying that it is impossible she was a disconnected mother, or that Gerrish was a very connected father, but your post seems insane.

Cases, yes. Highly publicized cases. Postpartum psychosis is actually very common.

It is not "very common." It's actually quite rare - 0.1%-0.2% of births. Did you mean postpartum psychosis is a common reason given by women who kill their children and husbands?

You seem like a fairly nasty person, the way you are talking about this woman. It is positively ghoulish. It is possible to be interested in a case and speculate about what happened without being ghoulish.

. Thanks for the compliment. Wanna go back to pretending it got to hot for them?

It wasn't a compliment, I was never on Team Heatstroke, and try basing your theories on more than your own imagination if you want to sound like a thinking adult. You have zero basis for suggesting that this baby was neglected by either parent. The only basis you have for assuming that Chung was neglectful are statements about how involved Gerrish was as a father. They employed a nanny, which is something that probably 50% of the parents on this site do. He worked from home. She did other stuff. She didn't need to work to pay the bills, and there is no indication that that was a problem for anyone.

I 100% think that something strange happened here. Even if you are sure you are right, and even if you end up being totally right, it is still a very strange thing, and the length of time it's taking answers to arrive makes it all the stranger. That said, I think the heat was certainly implicated in at least one aspect of the deaths, if for no other reason than that as a person who has ever hiked in the heat before, I know it makes every dangerous situation that much more potentially dangerous. But I do not think it is the primary cause of the overall situation or likely no one on this site would ever have heard of these people.

It’s not about being right. It’s about the obvious and critical thinking. The length of time alone means one thing! Drugs or a toxic agent was found and deeper analysis is underway. A tox test can yield positive for meth. However, the presence of meth would not conclude a fatal dose was used, so back to the drawing board for quantitatives. If tox’ tests on this case had returned negative results, we’d know. Really quite simple.

50 cases of women murdering their children?

The tox results are not complete and have not been released.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe they moved to Mariposa (really outside Mariposa) BECAUSE she was having mental health issues. Also TBI has a definite link to suicide. It’s so easy to underestimate another persons true state of mind with depression. Especially when it’s brought on physically.

They moved because Jon was able to work remotely due to cv. He wanted the baby to have a rural childhood as he did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I haven't commented in 50-100 pages, but I am here agree with the PP upthread who said the dog dying of something else doesn't preclude heatstroke for the humans. In fact, that was a leading theory for a while-- that the dog was sick or injured and trying to lug him back slowed them down/kept them out long enough to cause heatstroke in the rest of them (baby having no real agency).

I can't remember if we'd confirmed dog was tethered to the people, but if so, that might imply the dog was not yet dead, but dying of [whatever he died of] as they began to die of heatstroke partly as a result of carrying/dragging/attending to him.

I'm actually not a big buyer of the heatstroke theory, but I don't think it's been definitively ruled out yet.

I prefer reading. Do you know if they found other deceased animals in the forest area that also endured the extreme heat and used the same water source. I’m thinking birds, ducks, deer, coyote, large cats and other species living in the wild. I’m not exactly sure what species would be in the immediate area.
Did the family picnic on the trail? A lot of times people share food with their dog I wonder if they had rotten food.

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Anonymous wrote:This has murder suicide written all over it. Why people wanna sugarcoat this escapes me.

Simple; a fat, unattractive woman can’t imagine Ms. Chung having any problems.

A person with financial problems believes a stout income brings happiness.

A person pining for more square footage in their house can’t fathom the homeowner of a larger, nicer place not tickled pink.

Some people sit and read forums all day because they have pathetic lives. They then look at Kelsey Berreth types and find it impossible to even consider they did not live in a perfect world.

Another forum currently has over 2k posts discussing the Gerrish baby carrier. Trust me, the kind of carrier the kid arrived to the scene in is pretty much irrelevant at this point. Even the dog leas has had thousand of posts. Ridiculous.

All that matters at this point is what the Big Dogs say and they are the lab scientists.

The dog leash has thousands of posts? Bit of an exaggeration, no?

Given how long the bodies were in the hot sun, the tox results may not be conclusive, heat stroke with no witnesses is often a finding by exclusion.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't commented in 50-100 pages, but I am here agree with the PP upthread who said the dog dying of something else doesn't preclude heatstroke for the humans. In fact, that was a leading theory for a while-- that the dog was sick or injured and trying to lug him back slowed them down/kept them out long enough to cause heatstroke in the rest of them (baby having no real agency).

I can't remember if we'd confirmed dog was tethered to the people, but if so, that might imply the dog was not yet dead, but dying of [whatever he died of] as they began to die of heatstroke partly as a result of carrying/dragging/attending to him.

I'm actually not a big buyer of the heatstroke theory, but I don't think it's been definitively ruled out yet.

I prefer reading. Do you know if they found other deceased animals in the forest area that also endured the extreme heat and used the same water source. I’m thinking birds, ducks, deer, coyote, large cats and other species living in the wild. I’m not exactly sure what species would be in the immediate area.
Did the family picnic on the trail? A lot of times people share food with their dog I wonder if they had rotten food.

No dead wildlife in the area. Per the sheriff, livestock who drink from the river have been fine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't commented in 50-100 pages, but I am here agree with the PP upthread who said the dog dying of something else doesn't preclude heatstroke for the humans. In fact, that was a leading theory for a while-- that the dog was sick or injured and trying to lug him back slowed them down/kept them out long enough to cause heatstroke in the rest of them (baby having no real agency).

I can't remember if we'd confirmed dog was tethered to the people, but if so, that might imply the dog was not yet dead, but dying of [whatever he died of] as they began to die of heatstroke partly as a result of carrying/dragging/attending to him.

I'm actually not a big buyer of the heatstroke theory, but I don't think it's been definitively ruled out yet.

I prefer reading. Do you know if they found other deceased animals in the forest area that also endured the extreme heat and used the same water source. I’m thinking birds, ducks, deer, coyote, large cats and other species living in the wild. I’m not exactly sure what species would be in the immediate area.
Did the family picnic on the trail? A lot of times people share food with their dog I wonder if they had rotten food.

No dead wildlife in the area. Per the sheriff, livestock who drink from the river have been fine.

Would rotten food kill all of them? I can’t think of a food so foul someone wouldn’t smell or taste it other than shellfish. When we hike we always bring food.
Any bodily fluids found would be normal after death and only collectible in dried clumps.

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No matter how these people lived in the past means nothing.
A lot of people club, attend festivals, nudist camps and participate in things some of us might not agree with.

I’m fascinated by this case because it is most unusual. Outdoor group deaths just don’t happen. I expect some arrests.

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Burning Man is considered a family event and a lot of people bring kids of all ages. It looks like a big carnival.

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Anonymous wrote:Burning Man is considered a family event and a lot of people bring kids of all ages. It looks like a big carnival.

I guess they just avoid the group sex tents.

[Anonymous]

This thread is rivaling the Freedom of the seas baby story! But I still think the dog raises a flag. Apparently law enforcement agrees.

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Anonymous wrote:Burning Man is considered a family event and a lot of people bring kids of all ages. It looks like a big carnival.

I guess they just avoid the group sex tents.

When one thinks of the art-sex-drug-desert festival that is Burning Man, kids are not the first things that come to mind.

Someone upthread said a lot of people go to Black Rock to see art exhibits and there’s not much drug use and dressing in costumes is normal, if dressing at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they moved to Mariposa (really outside Mariposa) BECAUSE she was having mental health issues. Also TBI has a definite link to suicide. It’s so easy to underestimate another persons true state of mind with depression. Especially when it’s brought on physically.

They moved because Jon was able to work remotely due to cv. He wanted the baby to have a rural childhood as he did.

You don’t know why they moved. He might have told people it was to work from home or let the kid grow up in the wild but other factors could have been at play. Namely, his wife.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't commented in 50-100 pages, but I am here agree with the PP upthread who said the dog dying of something else doesn't preclude heatstroke for the humans. In fact, that was a leading theory for a while-- that the dog was sick or injured and trying to lug him back slowed them down/kept them out long enough to cause heatstroke in the rest of them (baby having no real agency).

I can't remember if we'd confirmed dog was tethered to the people, but if so, that might imply the dog was not yet dead, but dying of [whatever he died of] as they began to die of heatstroke partly as a result of carrying/dragging/attending to him.

I'm actually not a big buyer of the heatstroke theory, but I don't think it's been definitively ruled out yet.

I prefer reading. Do you know if they found other deceased animals in the forest area that also endured the extreme heat and used the same water source. I’m thinking birds, ducks, deer, coyote, large cats and other species living in the wild. I’m not exactly sure what species would be in the immediate area.
Did the family picnic on the trail? A lot of times people share food with their dog I wonder if they had rotten food.

No dead wildlife in the area. Per the sheriff, livestock who drink from the river have been fine.

Would rotten food kill all of them? I can’t think of a food so foul someone wouldn’t smell or taste it other than shellfish. When we hike we always bring food.
Any bodily fluids found would be normal after death and only collectible in dried clumps.

I guess they brought sushi. I believe that small town is famous for sushi. /s

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't commented in 50-100 pages, but I am here agree with the PP upthread who said the dog dying of something else doesn't preclude heatstroke for the humans. In fact, that was a leading theory for a while-- that the dog was sick or injured and trying to lug him back slowed them down/kept them out long enough to cause heatstroke in the rest of them (baby having no real agency).

I can't remember if we'd confirmed dog was tethered to the people, but if so, that might imply the dog was not yet dead, but dying of [whatever he died of] as they began to die of heatstroke partly as a result of carrying/dragging/attending to him.

I'm actually not a big buyer of the heatstroke theory, but I don't think it's been definitively ruled out yet.

I prefer reading. Do you know if they found other deceased animals in the forest area that also endured the extreme heat and used the same water source. I’m thinking birds, ducks, deer, coyote, large cats and other species living in the wild. I’m not exactly sure what species would be in the immediate area.
Did the family picnic on the trail? A lot of times people share food with their dog I wonder if they had rotten food.

No dead wildlife in the area. Per the sheriff, livestock who drink from the river have been fine.

Would rotten food kill all of them? I can’t think of a food so foul someone wouldn’t smell or taste it other than shellfish. When we hike we always bring food.
Any bodily fluids found would be normal after death and only collectible in dried clumps.

I guess they brought sushi. I believe that small town is famous for sushi. /s

For sure. Mariposa culture screams sushi. /s

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe they moved to Mariposa (really outside Mariposa) BECAUSE she was having mental health issues. Also TBI has a definite link to suicide. It’s so easy to underestimate another persons true state of mind with depression. Especially when it’s brought on physically.

They moved because Jon was able to work remotely due to cv. He wanted the baby to have a rural childhood as he did.

You don’t know why they moved. He might have told people it was to work from home or let the kid grow up in the wild but other factors could have been at play. Namely, his wife.

What’s the point you’re making about the wife?