ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:My son’s coach at a large and top Texas ECNL club told me the club is already populating teams for next season in advance of the transition. He said the tricky situation is when an Aug - December kid is doing well on his current team but there may not be enough room for him in the higher level team in his new age category. For example, a good ECRL player that may not be able to move up to ECNL next season. This type of player would just stay on his team next season and would technically be playing up.

I assume the club will have the August - December boys train with teams of different levels in the spring to finish populating teams prior to open try outs in May.

Thats an interesting conundrum but if the good ECRL player Q4 kid still cant make the ECNL team in his new age group, why not play RL in his new age group? Why stay with the RL team a year up? Do we think that is better from a player development perspective?

This is a possibility. But its always been a possibility because nobody has an issue with players playing up.

The more obvious problem situation is Aug birthday players in BY playing with their correct grade. Will these players be forced to play on a grade down SY team?

What about Sept and Oct birthdays?

Could go either way.

If players are older and the team is winning most likely they'll keep everything as is.

If the playera are younger it will be like every season when teams are shuffled after tryouts.

It won't go either way. All players (with rare exceptions just like now) will play in their new age grouping. Just like now. Excepting of course for small-time clubs. All of this talk about about players deciding to play up, or coaches talking about keeping certain players up (or teams up) will all disappear as evals and tryouts roll around. It is just lip service to keep parents calm and from coaches who don't even get to make the decisions.

My daughter’s coach (MVLA) told us they plan on allowing current Aug-Dec players within the club to stay up. However that will be something they determined fully after tryouts.

You say MVLA like that means anything. No one knows what you are talking about.

I think you're lieing but whatever. Their teams are listed as "Mountain View Los Altos Soccer Club" in the ranking app.

Ugh thinks everyone is lying… what a sourpuss.

Whats wrong? One of the top clubs in the country saying that they'll probabaly leave established BY teams alone not aligning with what you thought would happen?

Not PP but I fully expected clubs to mislead existing players and then demoted a bunch after tryouts. And a bunch are going to voluntarily go down to lock in top teams anyway. Existing teams will not exist. That's what it seems from the comment.

You're talking about a top 10 team in the nation at multiple age groups. This is not a B team or Town team. They've spent years recruiting and developing talent. Do you really think they'd just replace trapped players on winning teams with unknowns?

Trapped players going down an age group will be the first move upsetting the apple cart. Then everyone has to jump to maintain positions, playing time, etc. Any ehn clubs have to fill in holes. Existing teams will not exist.

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Anonymous wrote:My son’s coach at a large and top Texas ECNL club told me the club is already populating teams for next season in advance of the transition. He said the tricky situation is when an Aug - December kid is doing well on his current team but there may not be enough room for him in the higher level team in his new age category. For example, a good ECRL player that may not be able to move up to ECNL next season. This type of player would just stay on his team next season and would technically be playing up.

I assume the club will have the August - December boys train with teams of different levels in the spring to finish populating teams prior to open try outs in May.

Thats an interesting conundrum but if the good ECRL player Q4 kid still cant make the ECNL team in his new age group, why not play RL in his new age group? Why stay with the RL team a year up? Do we think that is better from a player development perspective?

This is a possibility. But its always been a possibility because nobody has an issue with players playing up.

The more obvious problem situation is Aug birthday players in BY playing with their correct grade. Will these players be forced to play on a grade down SY team?

What about Sept and Oct birthdays?

Could go either way.

If players are older and the team is winning most likely they'll keep everything as is.

If the playera are younger it will be like every season when teams are shuffled after tryouts.

It won't go either way. All players (with rare exceptions just like now) will play in their new age grouping. Just like now. Excepting of course for small-time clubs. All of this talk about about players deciding to play up, or coaches talking about keeping certain players up (or teams up) will all disappear as evals and tryouts roll around. It is just lip service to keep parents calm and from coaches who don't even get to make the decisions.

My daughter’s coach (MVLA) told us they plan on allowing current Aug-Dec players within the club to stay up. However that will be something they determined fully after tryouts.

You say MVLA like that means anything. No one knows what you are talking about.

I think you're lieing but whatever. Their teams are listed as "Mountain View Los Altos Soccer Club" in the ranking app.

Ugh thinks everyone is lying… what a sourpuss.

Whats wrong? One of the top clubs in the country saying that they'll probabaly leave established BY teams alone not aligning with what you thought would happen?

Not PP but I fully expected clubs to mislead existing players and then demoted a bunch after tryouts. And a bunch are going to voluntarily go down to lock in top teams anyway. Existing teams will not exist. That's what it seems from the comment.

You're talking about a top 10 team in the nation at multiple age groups. This is not a B team or Town team. They've spent years recruiting and developing talent. Do you really think they'd just replace trapped players on winning teams with unknowns?

Trapped players going down an age group will be the first move upsetting the apple cart. Then everyone has to jump to maintain positions, playing time, etc. Any ehn clubs have to fill in holes. Existing teams will not exist.

OK it seems like you think you know how things will go.

Watch what actually happens.

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Anonymous wrote:My son’s coach at a large and top Texas ECNL club told me the club is already populating teams for next season in advance of the transition. He said the tricky situation is when an Aug - December kid is doing well on his current team but there may not be enough room for him in the higher level team in his new age category. For example, a good ECRL player that may not be able to move up to ECNL next season. This type of player would just stay on his team next season and would technically be playing up.

I assume the club will have the August - December boys train with teams of different levels in the spring to finish populating teams prior to open try outs in May.

Thats an interesting conundrum but if the good ECRL player Q4 kid still cant make the ECNL team in his new age group, why not play RL in his new age group? Why stay with the RL team a year up? Do we think that is better from a player development perspective?

This is a possibility. But its always been a possibility because nobody has an issue with players playing up.

The more obvious problem situation is Aug birthday players in BY playing with their correct grade. Will these players be forced to play on a grade down SY team?

What about Sept and Oct birthdays?

Could go either way.

If players are older and the team is winning most likely they'll keep everything as is.

If the playera are younger it will be like every season when teams are shuffled after tryouts.

It won't go either way. All players (with rare exceptions just like now) will play in their new age grouping. Just like now. Excepting of course for small-time clubs. All of this talk about about players deciding to play up, or coaches talking about keeping certain players up (or teams up) will all disappear as evals and tryouts roll around. It is just lip service to keep parents calm and from coaches who don't even get to make the decisions.

My daughter’s coach (MVLA) told us they plan on allowing current Aug-Dec players within the club to stay up. However that will be something they determined fully after tryouts.

You say MVLA like that means anything. No one knows what you are talking about.

I think you're lieing but whatever. Their teams are listed as "Mountain View Los Altos Soccer Club" in the ranking app.

Ugh thinks everyone is lying… what a sourpuss.

Whats wrong? One of the top clubs in the country saying that they'll probabaly leave established BY teams alone not aligning with what you thought would happen?

Not PP but I fully expected clubs to mislead existing players and then demoted a bunch after tryouts. And a bunch are going to voluntarily go down to lock in top teams anyway. Existing teams will not exist. That's what it seems from the comment.

You're talking about a top 10 team in the nation at multiple age groups. This is not a B team or Town team. They've spent years recruiting and developing talent. Do you really think they'd just replace trapped players on winning teams with unknowns?

Trapped players going down an age group will be the first move upsetting the apple cart. Then everyone has to jump to maintain positions, playing time, etc. Any ehn clubs have to fill in holes. Existing teams will not exist.

OK it seems like you think you know how things will go.

Watch what actually happens.

Clubs wanted SY, trapped players looking to get on the right recruiting year wanted SY, the leagues wanted SY, many players want to play on grade. The rules are changing so everyone adjusts.

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Anonymous wrote:My son’s coach at a large and top Texas ECNL club told me the club is already populating teams for next season in advance of the transition. He said the tricky situation is when an Aug - December kid is doing well on his current team but there may not be enough room for him in the higher level team in his new age category. For example, a good ECRL player that may not be able to move up to ECNL next season. This type of player would just stay on his team next season and would technically be playing up.

I assume the club will have the August - December boys train with teams of different levels in the spring to finish populating teams prior to open try outs in May.

Thats an interesting conundrum but if the good ECRL player Q4 kid still cant make the ECNL team in his new age group, why not play RL in his new age group? Why stay with the RL team a year up? Do we think that is better from a player development perspective?

This is a possibility. But its always been a possibility because nobody has an issue with players playing up.

The more obvious problem situation is Aug birthday players in BY playing with their correct grade. Will these players be forced to play on a grade down SY team?

What about Sept and Oct birthdays?

Could go either way.

If players are older and the team is winning most likely they'll keep everything as is.

If the playera are younger it will be like every season when teams are shuffled after tryouts.

It won't go either way. All players (with rare exceptions just like now) will play in their new age grouping. Just like now. Excepting of course for small-time clubs. All of this talk about about players deciding to play up, or coaches talking about keeping certain players up (or teams up) will all disappear as evals and tryouts roll around. It is just lip service to keep parents calm and from coaches who don't even get to make the decisions.

My daughter’s coach (MVLA) told us they plan on allowing current Aug-Dec players within the club to stay up. However that will be something they determined fully after tryouts.

You say MVLA like that means anything. No one knows what you are talking about.

I think you're lieing but whatever. Their teams are listed as "Mountain View Los Altos Soccer Club" in the ranking app.

Ugh thinks everyone is lying… what a sourpuss.

Whats wrong? One of the top clubs in the country saying that they'll probabaly leave established BY teams alone not aligning with what you thought would happen?

Not PP but I fully expected clubs to mislead existing players and then demoted a bunch after tryouts. And a bunch are going to voluntarily go down to lock in top teams anyway. Existing teams will not exist. That's what it seems from the comment.

You're talking about a top 10 team in the nation at multiple age groups. This is not a B team or Town team. They've spent years recruiting and developing talent. Do you really think they'd just replace trapped players on winning teams with unknowns?

Trapped players going down an age group will be the first move upsetting the apple cart. Then everyone has to jump to maintain positions, playing time, etc. Any ehn clubs have to fill in holes. Existing teams will not exist.

OK it seems like you think you know how things will go.

Watch what actually happens.

Clubs wanted SY, trapped players looking to get on the right recruiting year wanted SY, the leagues wanted SY, many players want to play on grade. The rules are changing so everyone adjusts.

Exactly players clubs and leagues want to play with their grade in school.

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Anonymous wrote:My son’s coach at a large and top Texas ECNL club told me the club is already populating teams for next season in advance of the transition. He said the tricky situation is when an Aug - December kid is doing well on his current team but there may not be enough room for him in the higher level team in his new age category. For example, a good ECRL player that may not be able to move up to ECNL next season. This type of player would just stay on his team next season and would technically be playing up.

I assume the club will have the August - December boys train with teams of different levels in the spring to finish populating teams prior to open try outs in May.

Thats an interesting conundrum but if the good ECRL player Q4 kid still cant make the ECNL team in his new age group, why not play RL in his new age group? Why stay with the RL team a year up? Do we think that is better from a player development perspective?

This is a possibility. But its always been a possibility because nobody has an issue with players playing up.

The more obvious problem situation is Aug birthday players in BY playing with their correct grade. Will these players be forced to play on a grade down SY team?

What about Sept and Oct birthdays?

Could go either way.

If players are older and the team is winning most likely they'll keep everything as is.

If the playera are younger it will be like every season when teams are shuffled after tryouts.

It won't go either way. All players (with rare exceptions just like now) will play in their new age grouping. Just like now. Excepting of course for small-time clubs. All of this talk about about players deciding to play up, or coaches talking about keeping certain players up (or teams up) will all disappear as evals and tryouts roll around. It is just lip service to keep parents calm and from coaches who don't even get to make the decisions.

My daughter’s coach (MVLA) told us they plan on allowing current Aug-Dec players within the club to stay up. However that will be something they determined fully after tryouts.

You say MVLA like that means anything. No one knows what you are talking about.

I think you're lieing but whatever. Their teams are listed as "Mountain View Los Altos Soccer Club" in the ranking app.

Ugh thinks everyone is lying… what a sourpuss.

Whats wrong? One of the top clubs in the country saying that they'll probabaly leave established BY teams alone not aligning with what you thought would happen?

Not PP but I fully expected clubs to mislead existing players and then demoted a bunch after tryouts. And a bunch are going to voluntarily go down to lock in top teams anyway. Existing teams will not exist. That's what it seems from the comment.

You're talking about a top 10 team in the nation at multiple age groups. This is not a B team or Town team. They've spent years recruiting and developing talent. Do you really think they'd just replace trapped players on winning teams with unknowns?

Trapped players going down an age group will be the first move upsetting the apple cart. Then everyone has to jump to maintain positions, playing time, etc. Any ehn clubs have to fill in holes. Existing teams will not exist.

OK it seems like you think you know how things will go.

Watch what actually happens.

Clubs wanted SY, trapped players looking to get on the right recruiting year wanted SY, the leagues wanted SY, many players want to play on grade. The rules are changing so everyone adjusts.

Exactly players clubs and leagues want to play with their grade in school.

But of course many will be forced to play down a grade based on their age and clubs/leagues don't like to have players play up except for the rare exception.

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Anonymous wrote:My son’s coach at a large and top Texas ECNL club told me the club is already populating teams for next season in advance of the transition. He said the tricky situation is when an Aug - December kid is doing well on his current team but there may not be enough room for him in the higher level team in his new age category. For example, a good ECRL player that may not be able to move up to ECNL next season. This type of player would just stay on his team next season and would technically be playing up.

I assume the club will have the August - December boys train with teams of different levels in the spring to finish populating teams prior to open try outs in May.

Thats an interesting conundrum but if the good ECRL player Q4 kid still cant make the ECNL team in his new age group, why not play RL in his new age group? Why stay with the RL team a year up? Do we think that is better from a player development perspective?

This is a possibility. But its always been a possibility because nobody has an issue with players playing up.

The more obvious problem situation is Aug birthday players in BY playing with their correct grade. Will these players be forced to play on a grade down SY team?

What about Sept and Oct birthdays?

Could go either way.

If players are older and the team is winning most likely they'll keep everything as is.

If the playera are younger it will be like every season when teams are shuffled after tryouts.

It won't go either way. All players (with rare exceptions just like now) will play in their new age grouping. Just like now. Excepting of course for small-time clubs. All of this talk about about players deciding to play up, or coaches talking about keeping certain players up (or teams up) will all disappear as evals and tryouts roll around. It is just lip service to keep parents calm and from coaches who don't even get to make the decisions.

My daughter’s coach (MVLA) told us they plan on allowing current Aug-Dec players within the club to stay up. However that will be something they determined fully after tryouts.

You say MVLA like that means anything. No one knows what you are talking about.

I think you're lieing but whatever. Their teams are listed as "Mountain View Los Altos Soccer Club" in the ranking app.

Ugh thinks everyone is lying… what a sourpuss.

Whats wrong? One of the top clubs in the country saying that they'll probabaly leave established BY teams alone not aligning with what you thought would happen?

Not PP but I fully expected clubs to mislead existing players and then demoted a bunch after tryouts. And a bunch are going to voluntarily go down to lock in top teams anyway. Existing teams will not exist. That's what it seems from the comment.

You're talking about a top 10 team in the nation at multiple age groups. This is not a B team or Town team. They've spent years recruiting and developing talent. Do you really think they'd just replace trapped players on winning teams with unknowns?

Trapped players going down an age group will be the first move upsetting the apple cart. Then everyone has to jump to maintain positions, playing time, etc. Any ehn clubs have to fill in holes. Existing teams will not exist.

OK it seems like you think you know how things will go.

Watch what actually happens.

Clubs wanted SY, trapped players looking to get on the right recruiting year wanted SY, the leagues wanted SY, many players want to play on grade. The rules are changing so everyone adjusts.

Exactly players clubs and leagues want to play with their grade in school.

But of course many will be forced to play down a grade based on their age and clubs/leagues don't like to have players play up except for the rare exception.

No, clubs will play players with their grade whenever possible. This is because when they get older playing down makes players unrecruitable by college coaches and scouts.

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Anonymous wrote:My son’s coach at a large and top Texas ECNL club told me the club is already populating teams for next season in advance of the transition. He said the tricky situation is when an Aug - December kid is doing well on his current team but there may not be enough room for him in the higher level team in his new age category. For example, a good ECRL player that may not be able to move up to ECNL next season. This type of player would just stay on his team next season and would technically be playing up.

I assume the club will have the August - December boys train with teams of different levels in the spring to finish populating teams prior to open try outs in May.

Thats an interesting conundrum but if the good ECRL player Q4 kid still cant make the ECNL team in his new age group, why not play RL in his new age group? Why stay with the RL team a year up? Do we think that is better from a player development perspective?

This is a possibility. But its always been a possibility because nobody has an issue with players playing up.

The more obvious problem situation is Aug birthday players in BY playing with their correct grade. Will these players be forced to play on a grade down SY team?

What about Sept and Oct birthdays?

Could go either way.

If players are older and the team is winning most likely they'll keep everything as is.

If the playera are younger it will be like every season when teams are shuffled after tryouts.

It won't go either way. All players (with rare exceptions just like now) will play in their new age grouping. Just like now. Excepting of course for small-time clubs. All of this talk about about players deciding to play up, or coaches talking about keeping certain players up (or teams up) will all disappear as evals and tryouts roll around. It is just lip service to keep parents calm and from coaches who don't even get to make the decisions.

My daughter’s coach (MVLA) told us they plan on allowing current Aug-Dec players within the club to stay up. However that will be something they determined fully after tryouts.

You say MVLA like that means anything. No one knows what you are talking about.

I think you're lieing but whatever. Their teams are listed as "Mountain View Los Altos Soccer Club" in the ranking app.

Ugh thinks everyone is lying… what a sourpuss.

Whats wrong? One of the top clubs in the country saying that they'll probabaly leave established BY teams alone not aligning with what you thought would happen?

Not PP but I fully expected clubs to mislead existing players and then demoted a bunch after tryouts. And a bunch are going to voluntarily go down to lock in top teams anyway. Existing teams will not exist. That's what it seems from the comment.

You're talking about a top 10 team in the nation at multiple age groups. This is not a B team or Town team. They've spent years recruiting and developing talent. Do you really think they'd just replace trapped players on winning teams with unknowns?

Trapped players going down an age group will be the first move upsetting the apple cart. Then everyone has to jump to maintain positions, playing time, etc. Any ehn clubs have to fill in holes. Existing teams will not exist.

OK it seems like you think you know how things will go.

Watch what actually happens.

Clubs wanted SY, trapped players looking to get on the right recruiting year wanted SY, the leagues wanted SY, many players want to play on grade. The rules are changing so everyone adjusts.

Exactly players clubs and leagues want to play with their grade in school.

But of course many will be forced to play down a grade based on their age and clubs/leagues don't like to have players play up except for the rare exception.

No, clubs will play players with their grade whenever possible. This is because when they get older playing down makes players unrecruitable by college coaches and scouts.

Really kids who are 13 and 14 months younger? Those will be kids on b and c teams.

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There is no good way to do this. There will always be either a month that is trapped, or two, or there will be people who game the system and hold their kids back. My DD is August bday and on grade for this area. Elsewhere in the country she might be a grade behind. But there are multiple girls on her varsity team who are Sept bdays so basically a year older, and even kids on grade with July or August bdays who were held back and are more than a year older. For club, there is no easy way to align. If SY, August has the issue. If GY, the held back kids have a huge advantage. If BY, we have all the fall trapped players. There is no perfect system. If they are strong enough, they can play up. Otherwise tough luck, including for my DD.

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Anonymous wrote:My son’s coach at a large and top Texas ECNL club told me the club is already populating teams for next season in advance of the transition. He said the tricky situation is when an Aug - December kid is doing well on his current team but there may not be enough room for him in the higher level team in his new age category. For example, a good ECRL player that may not be able to move up to ECNL next season. This type of player would just stay on his team next season and would technically be playing up.

I assume the club will have the August - December boys train with teams of different levels in the spring to finish populating teams prior to open try outs in May.

Thats an interesting conundrum but if the good ECRL player Q4 kid still cant make the ECNL team in his new age group, why not play RL in his new age group? Why stay with the RL team a year up? Do we think that is better from a player development perspective?

This is a possibility. But its always been a possibility because nobody has an issue with players playing up.

The more obvious problem situation is Aug birthday players in BY playing with their correct grade. Will these players be forced to play on a grade down SY team?

What about Sept and Oct birthdays?

Could go either way.

If players are older and the team is winning most likely they'll keep everything as is.

If the playera are younger it will be like every season when teams are shuffled after tryouts.

It won't go either way. All players (with rare exceptions just like now) will play in their new age grouping. Just like now. Excepting of course for small-time clubs. All of this talk about about players deciding to play up, or coaches talking about keeping certain players up (or teams up) will all disappear as evals and tryouts roll around. It is just lip service to keep parents calm and from coaches who don't even get to make the decisions.

My daughter’s coach (MVLA) told us they plan on allowing current Aug-Dec players within the club to stay up. However that will be something they determined fully after tryouts.

You say MVLA like that means anything. No one knows what you are talking about.

I think you're lieing but whatever. Their teams are listed as "Mountain View Los Altos Soccer Club" in the ranking app.

Ugh thinks everyone is lying… what a sourpuss.

Whats wrong? One of the top clubs in the country saying that they'll probabaly leave established BY teams alone not aligning with what you thought would happen?

Not PP but I fully expected clubs to mislead existing players and then demoted a bunch after tryouts. And a bunch are going to voluntarily go down to lock in top teams anyway. Existing teams will not exist. That's what it seems from the comment.

You're talking about a top 10 team in the nation at multiple age groups. This is not a B team or Town team. They've spent years recruiting and developing talent. Do you really think they'd just replace trapped players on winning teams with unknowns?

Trapped players going down an age group will be the first move upsetting the apple cart. Then everyone has to jump to maintain positions, playing time, etc. Any ehn clubs have to fill in holes. Existing teams will not exist.

OK it seems like you think you know how things will go.

Watch what actually happens.

Clubs wanted SY, trapped players looking to get on the right recruiting year wanted SY, the leagues wanted SY, many players want to play on grade. The rules are changing so everyone adjusts.

Exactly players clubs and leagues want to play with their grade in school.

But of course many will be forced to play down a grade based on their age and clubs/leagues don't like to have players play up except for the rare exception.

No, clubs will play players with their grade whenever possible. This is because when they get older playing down makes players unrecruitable by college coaches and scouts.

Relax, too little D1 scholarship money for this to matter . It's all Merit (aka coupons) and fin aid. RAE says very few August kids playing up a year will be in the mix for scholarships, said another way, they will be unrecruitable if they play up also.

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Anonymous wrote:My son’s coach at a large and top Texas ECNL club told me the club is already populating teams for next season in advance of the transition. He said the tricky situation is when an Aug - December kid is doing well on his current team but there may not be enough room for him in the higher level team in his new age category. For example, a good ECRL player that may not be able to move up to ECNL next season. This type of player would just stay on his team next season and would technically be playing up.

I assume the club will have the August - December boys train with teams of different levels in the spring to finish populating teams prior to open try outs in May.

Thats an interesting conundrum but if the good ECRL player Q4 kid still cant make the ECNL team in his new age group, why not play RL in his new age group? Why stay with the RL team a year up? Do we think that is better from a player development perspective?

This is a possibility. But its always been a possibility because nobody has an issue with players playing up.

The more obvious problem situation is Aug birthday players in BY playing with their correct grade. Will these players be forced to play on a grade down SY team?

What about Sept and Oct birthdays?

Could go either way.

If players are older and the team is winning most likely they'll keep everything as is.

If the playera are younger it will be like every season when teams are shuffled after tryouts.

It won't go either way. All players (with rare exceptions just like now) will play in their new age grouping. Just like now. Excepting of course for small-time clubs. All of this talk about about players deciding to play up, or coaches talking about keeping certain players up (or teams up) will all disappear as evals and tryouts roll around. It is just lip service to keep parents calm and from coaches who don't even get to make the decisions.

My daughter’s coach (MVLA) told us they plan on allowing current Aug-Dec players within the club to stay up. However that will be something they determined fully after tryouts.

You say MVLA like that means anything. No one knows what you are talking about.

I think you're lieing but whatever. Their teams are listed as "Mountain View Los Altos Soccer Club" in the ranking app.

Ugh thinks everyone is lying… what a sourpuss.

Whats wrong? One of the top clubs in the country saying that they'll probabaly leave established BY teams alone not aligning with what you thought would happen?

Not PP but I fully expected clubs to mislead existing players and then demoted a bunch after tryouts. And a bunch are going to voluntarily go down to lock in top teams anyway. Existing teams will not exist. That's what it seems from the comment.

You're talking about a top 10 team in the nation at multiple age groups. This is not a B team or Town team. They've spent years recruiting and developing talent. Do you really think they'd just replace trapped players on winning teams with unknowns?

Trapped players going down an age group will be the first move upsetting the apple cart. Then everyone has to jump to maintain positions, playing time, etc. Any ehn clubs have to fill in holes. Existing teams will not exist.

OK it seems like you think you know how things will go.

Watch what actually happens.

Clubs wanted SY, trapped players looking to get on the right recruiting year wanted SY, the leagues wanted SY, many players want to play on grade. The rules are changing so everyone adjusts.

Exactly players clubs and leagues want to play with their grade in school.

But of course many will be forced to play down a grade based on their age and clubs/leagues don't like to have players play up except for the rare exception.

No, clubs will play players with their grade whenever possible. This is because when they get older playing down makes players unrecruitable by college coaches and scouts.

Not the big clubs. It will be the age cutoff regardless of grade, unless they’re so good they would play up anyway. And no, they’re not unrecruitable. If they are good, coaches will see if they’re in the right platform and the clubs will help promote. It’s what they do now.

And the poster about existing teams not existing, that is right. There is going to be a lot of shifting around. There already is a lot of that after each season (less the older you get) but after this season it will be much more because it won’t be just shifting between clubs, it will be shifting between clubs and teams. Especially if you’re in an area with multiple high level clubs.

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Anonymous wrote:My son’s coach at a large and top Texas ECNL club told me the club is already populating teams for next season in advance of the transition. He said the tricky situation is when an Aug - December kid is doing well on his current team but there may not be enough room for him in the higher level team in his new age category. For example, a good ECRL player that may not be able to move up to ECNL next season. This type of player would just stay on his team next season and would technically be playing up.

I assume the club will have the August - December boys train with teams of different levels in the spring to finish populating teams prior to open try outs in May.

Thats an interesting conundrum but if the good ECRL player Q4 kid still cant make the ECNL team in his new age group, why not play RL in his new age group? Why stay with the RL team a year up? Do we think that is better from a player development perspective?

Essentially, a player that is good enough to play up a year on ECRL, not seen to fit his year’s ECNL team, and too good to play in his year’s ECRL team.

This type is situation is likely to happen only when there is a big gap in quality between ECNL and ECRL in his year and the player is caught in between (too good for ECRL, too difficult to break into his ECNL team). In that case, it could be better for his development to play up a year in ECRL where he is a starter and a good player rather than playing on a team where he would be by far the best player.

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Anonymous wrote:My son’s coach at a large and top Texas ECNL club told me the club is already populating teams for next season in advance of the transition. He said the tricky situation is when an Aug - December kid is doing well on his current team but there may not be enough room for him in the higher level team in his new age category. For example, a good ECRL player that may not be able to move up to ECNL next season. This type of player would just stay on his team next season and would technically be playing up.

I assume the club will have the August - December boys train with teams of different levels in the spring to finish populating teams prior to open try outs in May.

Thats an interesting conundrum but if the good ECRL player Q4 kid still cant make the ECNL team in his new age group, why not play RL in his new age group? Why stay with the RL team a year up? Do we think that is better from a player development perspective?

This is a possibility. But its always been a possibility because nobody has an issue with players playing up.

The more obvious problem situation is Aug birthday players in BY playing with their correct grade. Will these players be forced to play on a grade down SY team?

What about Sept and Oct birthdays?

Could go either way.

If players are older and the team is winning most likely they'll keep everything as is.

If the playera are younger it will be like every season when teams are shuffled after tryouts.

It won't go either way. All players (with rare exceptions just like now) will play in their new age grouping. Just like now. Excepting of course for small-time clubs. All of this talk about about players deciding to play up, or coaches talking about keeping certain players up (or teams up) will all disappear as evals and tryouts roll around. It is just lip service to keep parents calm and from coaches who don't even get to make the decisions.

My daughter’s coach (MVLA) told us they plan on allowing current Aug-Dec players within the club to stay up. However that will be something they determined fully after tryouts.

You say MVLA like that means anything. No one knows what you are talking about.

I think you're lieing but whatever. Their teams are listed as "Mountain View Los Altos Soccer Club" in the ranking app.

Ugh thinks everyone is lying… what a sourpuss.

Whats wrong? One of the top clubs in the country saying that they'll probabaly leave established BY teams alone not aligning with what you thought would happen?

Not PP but I fully expected clubs to mislead existing players and then demoted a bunch after tryouts. And a bunch are going to voluntarily go down to lock in top teams anyway. Existing teams will not exist. That's what it seems from the comment.

You're talking about a top 10 team in the nation at multiple age groups. This is not a B team or Town team. They've spent years recruiting and developing talent. Do you really think they'd just replace trapped players on winning teams with unknowns?

Trapped players going down an age group will be the first move upsetting the apple cart. Then everyone has to jump to maintain positions, playing time, etc. Any ehn clubs have to fill in holes. Existing teams will not exist.

OK it seems like you think you know how things will go.

Watch what actually happens.

Clubs wanted SY, trapped players looking to get on the right recruiting year wanted SY, the leagues wanted SY, many players want to play on grade. The rules are changing so everyone adjusts.

Exactly players clubs and leagues want to play with their grade in school.

But of course many will be forced to play down a grade based on their age and clubs/leagues don't like to have players play up except for the rare exception.

No, clubs will play players with their grade whenever possible. This is because when they get older playing down makes players unrecruitable by college coaches and scouts.

Really kids who are 13 and 14 months younger? Those will be kids on b and c teams.

Maybe, but playing on the B team with players your grade is 100x better for player development than playing on a team a grade down.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no good way to do this. There will always be either a month that is trapped, or two, or there will be people who game the system and hold their kids back. My DD is August bday and on grade for this area. Elsewhere in the country she might be a grade behind. But there are multiple girls on her varsity team who are Sept bdays so basically a year older, and even kids on grade with July or August bdays who were held back and are more than a year older. For club, there is no easy way to align. If SY, August has the issue. If GY, the held back kids have a huge advantage. If BY, we have all the fall trapped players. There is no perfect system. If they are strong enough, they can play up. Otherwise tough luck, including for my DD.

There's. multiple ways to address this. The easiest way to address is for SY 8/1-7/31 leagues to implement a rule that states when given the option players must play on the team thats predominately their grade in school. If you do this poof all issues go away. You have a type of modified GY where all players on the field are a specific grade. But holdbacks cant play on teams because they must be born within the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31. (or younger playing "up")

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Anonymous wrote:My son’s coach at a large and top Texas ECNL club told me the club is already populating teams for next season in advance of the transition. He said the tricky situation is when an Aug - December kid is doing well on his current team but there may not be enough room for him in the higher level team in his new age category. For example, a good ECRL player that may not be able to move up to ECNL next season. This type of player would just stay on his team next season and would technically be playing up.

I assume the club will have the August - December boys train with teams of different levels in the spring to finish populating teams prior to open try outs in May.

Thats an interesting conundrum but if the good ECRL player Q4 kid still cant make the ECNL team in his new age group, why not play RL in his new age group? Why stay with the RL team a year up? Do we think that is better from a player development perspective?

This is a possibility. But its always been a possibility because nobody has an issue with players playing up.

The more obvious problem situation is Aug birthday players in BY playing with their correct grade. Will these players be forced to play on a grade down SY team?

What about Sept and Oct birthdays?

Could go either way.

If players are older and the team is winning most likely they'll keep everything as is.

If the playera are younger it will be like every season when teams are shuffled after tryouts.

It won't go either way. All players (with rare exceptions just like now) will play in their new age grouping. Just like now. Excepting of course for small-time clubs. All of this talk about about players deciding to play up, or coaches talking about keeping certain players up (or teams up) will all disappear as evals and tryouts roll around. It is just lip service to keep parents calm and from coaches who don't even get to make the decisions.

My daughter’s coach (MVLA) told us they plan on allowing current Aug-Dec players within the club to stay up. However that will be something they determined fully after tryouts.

You say MVLA like that means anything. No one knows what you are talking about.

I think you're lieing but whatever. Their teams are listed as "Mountain View Los Altos Soccer Club" in the ranking app.

Ugh thinks everyone is lying… what a sourpuss.

Whats wrong? One of the top clubs in the country saying that they'll probabaly leave established BY teams alone not aligning with what you thought would happen?

Not PP but I fully expected clubs to mislead existing players and then demoted a bunch after tryouts. And a bunch are going to voluntarily go down to lock in top teams anyway. Existing teams will not exist. That's what it seems from the comment.

You're talking about a top 10 team in the nation at multiple age groups. This is not a B team or Town team. They've spent years recruiting and developing talent. Do you really think they'd just replace trapped players on winning teams with unknowns?

Trapped players going down an age group will be the first move upsetting the apple cart. Then everyone has to jump to maintain positions, playing time, etc. Any ehn clubs have to fill in holes. Existing teams will not exist.

OK it seems like you think you know how things will go.

Watch what actually happens.

Clubs wanted SY, trapped players looking to get on the right recruiting year wanted SY, the leagues wanted SY, many players want to play on grade. The rules are changing so everyone adjusts.

Exactly players clubs and leagues want to play with their grade in school.

But of course many will be forced to play down a grade based on their age and clubs/leagues don't like to have players play up except for the rare exception.

No, clubs will play players with their grade whenever possible. This is because when they get older playing down makes players unrecruitable by college coaches and scouts.

Really kids who are 13 and 14 months younger? Those will be kids on b and c teams.

Maybe, but playing on the B team with players your grade is 100x better for player development than playing on a team a grade down.

These statements made in absolute terms are just not true. All other things being equal, it is better to play with older kids but it’s rare that all things are equal.

There is usually a difference in quality of coaching between an A and B team. Prepuberty, it is also common for older B teams to be better athletes but lower in soccer IQ, speed of play, technical ability, and quality of playing style when compared to the younger A teams. In these types of cases, it’s usually better to play with the younger A team rather than the older B team because the athletic differences will even out after puberty. If this is after puberty, a year younger A team *should* beat the year above B team most of the time.

Of course there are exceptions to everything and why individual situations will be evaluated between the player, family, and club.

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Anonymous wrote:My son’s coach at a large and top Texas ECNL club told me the club is already populating teams for next season in advance of the transition. He said the tricky situation is when an Aug - December kid is doing well on his current team but there may not be enough room for him in the higher level team in his new age category. For example, a good ECRL player that may not be able to move up to ECNL next season. This type of player would just stay on his team next season and would technically be playing up.

I assume the club will have the August - December boys train with teams of different levels in the spring to finish populating teams prior to open try outs in May.

Thats an interesting conundrum but if the good ECRL player Q4 kid still cant make the ECNL team in his new age group, why not play RL in his new age group? Why stay with the RL team a year up? Do we think that is better from a player development perspective?

This is a possibility. But its always been a possibility because nobody has an issue with players playing up.

The more obvious problem situation is Aug birthday players in BY playing with their correct grade. Will these players be forced to play on a grade down SY team?

What about Sept and Oct birthdays?

Could go either way.

If players are older and the team is winning most likely they'll keep everything as is.

If the playera are younger it will be like every season when teams are shuffled after tryouts.

It won't go either way. All players (with rare exceptions just like now) will play in their new age grouping. Just like now. Excepting of course for small-time clubs. All of this talk about about players deciding to play up, or coaches talking about keeping certain players up (or teams up) will all disappear as evals and tryouts roll around. It is just lip service to keep parents calm and from coaches who don't even get to make the decisions.

My daughter’s coach (MVLA) told us they plan on allowing current Aug-Dec players within the club to stay up. However that will be something they determined fully after tryouts.

You say MVLA like that means anything. No one knows what you are talking about.

I think you're lieing but whatever. Their teams are listed as "Mountain View Los Altos Soccer Club" in the ranking app.

Ugh thinks everyone is lying… what a sourpuss.

Whats wrong? One of the top clubs in the country saying that they'll probabaly leave established BY teams alone not aligning with what you thought would happen?

Not PP but I fully expected clubs to mislead existing players and then demoted a bunch after tryouts. And a bunch are going to voluntarily go down to lock in top teams anyway. Existing teams will not exist. That's what it seems from the comment.

You're talking about a top 10 team in the nation at multiple age groups. This is not a B team or Town team. They've spent years recruiting and developing talent. Do you really think they'd just replace trapped players on winning teams with unknowns?

Trapped players going down an age group will be the first move upsetting the apple cart. Then everyone has to jump to maintain positions, playing time, etc. Any ehn clubs have to fill in holes. Existing teams will not exist.

OK it seems like you think you know how things will go.

Watch what actually happens.

Clubs wanted SY, trapped players looking to get on the right recruiting year wanted SY, the leagues wanted SY, many players want to play on grade. The rules are changing so everyone adjusts.

Exactly players clubs and leagues want to play with their grade in school.

But of course many will be forced to play down a grade based on their age and clubs/leagues don't like to have players play up except for the rare exception.

No, clubs will play players with their grade whenever possible. This is because when they get older playing down makes players unrecruitable by college coaches and scouts.

Really kids who are 13 and 14 months younger? Those will be kids on b and c teams.

Maybe, but playing on the B team with players your grade is 100x better for player development than playing on a team a grade down.

These statements made in absolute terms are just not true. All other things being equal, it is better to play with older kids but it’s rare that all things are equal.

There is usually a difference in quality of coaching between an A and B team. Prepuberty, it is also common for older B teams to be better athletes but lower in soccer IQ, speed of play, technical ability, and quality of playing style when compared to the younger A teams. In these types of cases, it’s usually better to play with the younger A team rather than the older B team because the athletic differences will even out after puberty. If this is after puberty, a year younger A team *should* beat the year above B team most of the time.

Of course there are exceptions to everything and why individual situations will be evaluated between the player, family, and club.

But RAE