Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI

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Anonymous wrote:So how does this play out when they indict him? And if he is eventually convicted? House arrest? Exile? Can we deport him to stand trial at The Hague for other stuff he might be tried for?

He will eventually take a plea and pay a fine. No jail time.

Haha, hahahaha. As if Mr. Coup d’etat will ever admit fault.

Recall that Trump ponied up $25million to settle the Trump University lawsuit right as he took office. When it comes down to it, he is transactional. He'll take the plea with certain assurances , pay a fine, and live the rest of his days at Mar A Lago, which is what he wants to do anyway.

A trial would be a disaster. The GOP knows this, and deep down, so does Trump.

A trial cuts both ways. Trump is never going to testify under oath in his own defense and open himself up to cross examination. DOJ has to determine the degree to which they will offer evidence about the national security information in Trump’s possession on various dates (Goldilocks documents). Much of the trial could be closed to the public. DOJ has to produce Brady/Jencks investigatory materials. Much of the cadre will turn on the nature and proof of the “wilfullness” of Trump’s refusal to turn over the material and the subsequent obstruction. Trump ultimately wants to know who ratted him out and exact revenge.

I say release as much as possible. By now surely we've had enough time to change the codes, move the nukes, relocate the spies, etc. etc.

I do not echo this sentiment. The issue with compartmentalized secrets is that no one person can know enough to be sure they aren’t screwing something up for someone else.

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Anonymous wrote:So how does this play out when they indict him? And if he is eventually convicted? House arrest? Exile? Can we deport him to stand trial at The Hague for other stuff he might be tried for?

He will eventually take a plea and pay a fine. No jail time.

Haha, hahahaha. As if Mr. Coup d’etat will ever admit fault.

Recall that Trump ponied up $25million to settle the Trump University lawsuit right as he took office. When it comes down to it, he is transactional. He'll take the plea with certain assurances , pay a fine, and live the rest of his days at Mar A Lago, which is what he wants to do anyway.

A trial would be a disaster. The GOP knows this, and deep down, so does Trump.

A trial cuts both ways. Trump is never going to testify under oath in his own defense and open himself up to cross examination. DOJ has to determine the degree to which they will offer evidence about the national security information in Trump’s possession on various dates (Goldilocks documents). Much of the trial could be closed to the public. DOJ has to produce Brady/Jencks investigatory materials. Much of the cadre will turn on the nature and proof of the “wilfullness” of Trump’s refusal to turn over the material and the subsequent obstruction. Trump ultimately wants to know who ratted him out and exact revenge.

I say release as much as possible. By now surely we've had enough time to change the codes, move the nukes, relocate the spies, etc. etc.

Some of the documents were found three weeks ago. It’s not about nuclear codes that change daily. It’s not that easy to exfiltrate an asset from the inner circle of a world leader. It’s about clandestine operations potentially involving allies that could be ongoing, sources and methods, and surveillance capabilities including spy satellites. The US will never know the extent of the damage because nobody knows what Trump was doing with the information. In the case of most Special Access Programs, there are only a handful of people read in on a need to know basis. It’s not an exaggeration to say lives could be put at stake.

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Anonymous wrote:So how does this play out when they indict him? And if he is eventually convicted? House arrest? Exile? Can we deport him to stand trial at The Hague for other stuff he might be tried for?

He will eventually take a plea and pay a fine. No jail time.

Haha, hahahaha. As if Mr. Coup d’etat will ever admit fault.

Recall that Trump ponied up $25million to settle the Trump University lawsuit right as he took office. When it comes down to it, he is transactional. He'll take the plea with certain assurances , pay a fine, and live the rest of his days at Mar A Lago, which is what he wants to do anyway.

A trial would be a disaster. The GOP knows this, and deep down, so does Trump.

A trial cuts both ways. Trump is never going to testify under oath in his own defense and open himself up to cross examination. DOJ has to determine the degree to which they will offer evidence about the national security information in Trump’s possession on various dates (Goldilocks documents). Much of the trial could be closed to the public. DOJ has to produce Brady/Jencks investigatory materials. Much of the cadre will turn on the nature and proof of the “wilfullness” of Trump’s refusal to turn over the material and the subsequent obstruction. Trump ultimately wants to know who ratted him out and exact revenge.

I say release as much as possible. By now surely we've had enough time to change the codes, move the nukes, relocate the spies, etc. etc.

Some of the documents were found three weeks ago. It’s not about nuclear codes that change daily. It’s not that easy to exfiltrate an asset from the inner circle of a world leader. It’s about clandestine operations potentially involving allies that could be ongoing, sources and methods, and surveillance capabilities including spy satellites. The US will never know the extent of the damage because nobody knows what Trump was doing with the information. In the case of most Special Access Programs, there are only a handful of people read in on a need to know basis. It’s not an exaggeration to say lives could be put at stake.

It's been known for a while that the CIA has lost contacts through assassination, imprisonment and other causes. There was a NYT article about it in 2021.

Trump has been boasting and showing off his paper to spies, randos he's invited into his office or golfed with, and foreign entities since 2017... I am SURE lives have been at risk since then.

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Anonymous wrote:So how does this play out when they indict him? And if he is eventually convicted? House arrest? Exile? Can we deport him to stand trial at The Hague for other stuff he might be tried for?

He will eventually take a plea and pay a fine. No jail time.

Haha, hahahaha. As if Mr. Coup d’etat will ever admit fault.

Recall that Trump ponied up $25million to settle the Trump University lawsuit right as he took office. When it comes down to it, he is transactional. He'll take the plea with certain assurances , pay a fine, and live the rest of his days at Mar A Lago, which is what he wants to do anyway.

A trial would be a disaster. The GOP knows this, and deep down, so does Trump.

A trial cuts both ways. Trump is never going to testify under oath in his own defense and open himself up to cross examination. DOJ has to determine the degree to which they will offer evidence about the national security information in Trump’s possession on various dates (Goldilocks documents). Much of the trial could be closed to the public. DOJ has to produce Brady/Jencks investigatory materials. Much of the cadre will turn on the nature and proof of the “wilfullness” of Trump’s refusal to turn over the material and the subsequent obstruction. Trump ultimately wants to know who ratted him out and exact revenge.

I say release as much as possible. By now surely we've had enough time to change the codes, move the nukes, relocate the spies, etc. etc.

Some of the documents were found three weeks ago. It’s not about nuclear codes that change daily. It’s not that easy to exfiltrate an asset from the inner circle of a world leader. It’s about clandestine operations potentially involving allies that could be ongoing, sources and methods, and surveillance capabilities including spy satellites. The US will never know the extent of the damage because nobody knows what Trump was doing with the information. In the case of most Special Access Programs, there are only a handful of people read in on a need to know basis. It’s not an exaggeration to say lives could be put at stake.

It's been known for a while that the CIA has lost contacts through assassination, imprisonment and other causes. There was a NYT article about it in 2021.

Trump has been boasting and showing off his paper to spies, randos he's invited into his office or golfed with, and foreign entities since 2017... I am SURE lives have been at risk since then.

I was thinking about the US spies who were killed or missing. Trump has sold out our country. He should become a political prisoner with no options for parole or pardon. I don't care if it is in a posh federal penitentiary he just has to be locked away for life.
I am afraid about the next GOP sponsored authoritarian though.

[Anonymous]

Another Trump lawyer gets rewarded with ETTD.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/31/days-before-mar-a-lago-subpoena-trump-lawyer-claimed-she-scoured-trumps-office-closets-00054369

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Anonymous wrote:So how does this play out when they indict him? And if he is eventually convicted? House arrest? Exile? Can we deport him to stand trial at The Hague for other stuff he might be tried for?

He will eventually take a plea and pay a fine. No jail time.

Haha, hahahaha. As if Mr. Coup d’etat will ever admit fault.

Recall that Trump ponied up $25million to settle the Trump University lawsuit right as he took office. When it comes down to it, he is transactional. He'll take the plea with certain assurances , pay a fine, and live the rest of his days at Mar A Lago, which is what he wants to do anyway.

A trial would be a disaster. The GOP knows this, and deep down, so does Trump.

A trial cuts both ways. Trump is never going to testify under oath in his own defense and open himself up to cross examination. DOJ has to determine the degree to which they will offer evidence about the national security information in Trump’s possession on various dates (Goldilocks documents). Much of the trial could be closed to the public. DOJ has to produce Brady/Jencks investigatory materials. Much of the cadre will turn on the nature and proof of the “wilfullness” of Trump’s refusal to turn over the material and the subsequent obstruction. Trump ultimately wants to know who ratted him out and exact revenge.

I say release as much as possible. By now surely we've had enough time to change the codes, move the nukes, relocate the spies, etc. etc.

Some of the documents were found three weeks ago. It’s not about nuclear codes that change daily. It’s not that easy to exfiltrate an asset from the inner circle of a world leader. It’s about clandestine operations potentially involving allies that could be ongoing, sources and methods, and surveillance capabilities including spy satellites. The US will never know the extent of the damage because nobody knows what Trump was doing with the information. In the case of most Special Access Programs, there are only a handful of people read in on a need to know basis. It’s not an exaggeration to say lives could be put at stake.

So you assume that EVERYTHING is compromised and you start over. Only the deepest, deepest assets - who might be willing to risk their lives over this situation - stay undercover.

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Anonymous wrote:So how does this play out when they indict him? And if he is eventually convicted? House arrest? Exile? Can we deport him to stand trial at The Hague for other stuff he might be tried for?

He will eventually take a plea and pay a fine. No jail time.

Haha, hahahaha. As if Mr. Coup d’etat will ever admit fault.

Recall that Trump ponied up $25million to settle the Trump University lawsuit right as he took office. When it comes down to it, he is transactional. He'll take the plea with certain assurances , pay a fine, and live the rest of his days at Mar A Lago, which is what he wants to do anyway.

A trial would be a disaster. The GOP knows this, and deep down, so does Trump.

A trial cuts both ways. Trump is never going to testify under oath in his own defense and open himself up to cross examination. DOJ has to determine the degree to which they will offer evidence about the national security information in Trump’s possession on various dates (Goldilocks documents). Much of the trial could be closed to the public. DOJ has to produce Brady/Jencks investigatory materials. Much of the cadre will turn on the nature and proof of the “wilfullness” of Trump’s refusal to turn over the material and the subsequent obstruction. Trump ultimately wants to know who ratted him out and exact revenge.

I say release as much as possible. By now surely we've had enough time to change the codes, move the nukes, relocate the spies, etc. etc.

Some of the documents were found three weeks ago. It’s not about nuclear codes that change daily. It’s not that easy to exfiltrate an asset from the inner circle of a world leader. It’s about clandestine operations potentially involving allies that could be ongoing, sources and methods, and surveillance capabilities including spy satellites. The US will never know the extent of the damage because nobody knows what Trump was doing with the information. In the case of most Special Access Programs, there are only a handful of people read in on a need to know basis. It’s not an exaggeration to say lives could be put at stake.

It's been known for a while that the CIA has lost contacts through assassination, imprisonment and other causes. There was a NYT article about it in 2021.

Trump has been boasting and showing off his paper to spies, randos he's invited into his office or golfed with, and foreign entities since 2017... I am SURE lives have been at risk since then.

I was thinking about the US spies who were killed or missing. Trump has sold out our country. He should become a political prisoner with no options for parole or pardon. I don't care if it is in a posh federal penitentiary he just has to be locked away for life.
I am afraid about the next GOP sponsored authoritarian though.

Trump will always be a rallying point for facists. Long term imprisonment won't help.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So how does this play out when they indict him? And if he is eventually convicted? House arrest? Exile? Can we deport him to stand trial at The Hague for other stuff he might be tried for?

He will eventually take a plea and pay a fine. No jail time.

Haha, hahahaha. As if Mr. Coup d’etat will ever admit fault.

Recall that Trump ponied up $25million to settle the Trump University lawsuit right as he took office. When it comes down to it, he is transactional. He'll take the plea with certain assurances , pay a fine, and live the rest of his days at Mar A Lago, which is what he wants to do anyway.

A trial would be a disaster. The GOP knows this, and deep down, so does Trump.

Civil lawsuits are not criminal prosecutions. He has never plead guilty to anything as far as I am aware. And he’d have to be offered a deal in the first place—highly unlikely!!

Trump will never see the inside of a federal penitentiary, even if convicted by a jury of his peers. He after all is a former president. Could he be subjected to a type of home confinement? More likely. The wildcard is where the grand juries investigating Jan 6 and Georgia election rigging are headed.

I’d be fine if the USG bought him a private island to live out his days with his family. Hotel California type arrangement.

Perhaps the Russian or Saudi governments would prefer to foot the bill in recognition of all the work he did for them.

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At this point I don’t care about Trump. He’s a felon, a moron, a conman and crooked a human as ever was. We all know what his punishment should be, though he’s unlikely to receive it.

I’m effing pissed at the GOP. This isn’t Trump, in a sense, this is them. He should have been allowed precisely nowhere near the Oval Office. Can anyone say they’re truly surprised as to what he did with the documents? The GOP certainly can’t say that; how many of them have been witness to him waving them around and storing them improperly? The whole party is tainted beyond belief.

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Anonymous wrote:So how does this play out when they indict him? And if he is eventually convicted? House arrest? Exile? Can we deport him to stand trial at The Hague for other stuff he might be tried for?

He will eventually take a plea and pay a fine. No jail time.

Haha, hahahaha. As if Mr. Coup d’etat will ever admit fault.

Recall that Trump ponied up $25million to settle the Trump University lawsuit right as he took office. When it comes down to it, he is transactional. He'll take the plea with certain assurances , pay a fine, and live the rest of his days at Mar A Lago, which is what he wants to do anyway.

A trial would be a disaster. The GOP knows this, and deep down, so does Trump.

A trial cuts both ways. Trump is never going to testify under oath in his own defense and open himself up to cross examination. DOJ has to determine the degree to which they will offer evidence about the national security information in Trump’s possession on various dates (Goldilocks documents). Much of the trial could be closed to the public. DOJ has to produce Brady/Jencks investigatory materials. Much of the cadre will turn on the nature and proof of the “wilfullness” of Trump’s refusal to turn over the material and the subsequent obstruction. Trump ultimately wants to know who ratted him out and exact revenge.

I say release as much as possible. By now surely we've had enough time to change the codes, move the nukes, relocate the spies, etc. etc.

Some of the documents were found three weeks ago. It’s not about nuclear codes that change daily. It’s not that easy to exfiltrate an asset from the inner circle of a world leader. It’s about clandestine operations potentially involving allies that could be ongoing, sources and methods, and surveillance capabilities including spy satellites. The US will never know the extent of the damage because nobody knows what Trump was doing with the information. In the case of most Special Access Programs, there are only a handful of people read in on a need to know basis. It’s not an exaggeration to say lives could be put at stake.

It's been known for a while that the CIA has lost contacts through assassination, imprisonment and other causes. There was a NYT article about it in 2021.

Trump has been boasting and showing off his paper to spies, randos he's invited into his office or golfed with, and foreign entities since 2017... I am SURE lives have been at risk since then.

I was thinking about the US spies who were killed or missing. Trump has sold out our country. He should become a political prisoner with no options for parole or pardon. I don't care if it is in a posh federal penitentiary he just has to be locked away for life.
I am afraid about the next GOP sponsored authoritarian though.

Trump will always be a rallying point for facists. Long term imprisonment won't help.

The best case scenario is that he doesn’t run again and he lives under constant surveillance. I think he’s managed to secure the second part for himself. Not sure how he doesn’t run. Congress had its chance. I suppose they could try to impeach him again, and convict this time.

But no. The best achievable scenario is a conviction by a jury.

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Anonymous wrote:Another Trump lawyer gets rewarded with ETTD.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/31/days-before-mar-a-lago-subpoena-trump-lawyer-claimed-she-scoured-trumps-office-closets-00054369

Holy crap so if she actually searched everywhere she said she did she would have seen all the classified documents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Submitting as an exhibit a photo of an array of Top Secret documents juxtaposed with a framed cover of Time Magazine is atomic wedgie grade lawyering.

What does this mean?

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Anonymous wrote:Not a lawyer. But this looks like the DoJ really knows what it’s doing and Trump’s lawyers have no clue. Even from the outside, it looks like a serious talent mismatch.

Maybe you are seeing what is portrayed to you?

Please name one thing Trump's lawyers have done right.

And again, the point is missed. How would I know and how would you know? Your media sources? Mine? I have made no decisions yet.

Haha, we would know because we are reading the primary sources. You know, legal filings??

+1 this site could just as easily be called DC Urban Moms and Dads and Lawyers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another Trump lawyer gets rewarded with ETTD.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/31/days-before-mar-a-lago-subpoena-trump-lawyer-claimed-she-scoured-trumps-office-closets-00054369

Holy crap so if she actually searched everywhere she said she did she would have seen all the classified documents.

She claimed that the documents were planted in an interview somewhere. That’s the defense she’s going with. Good luck to her.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s crimes all the way down!

Shouldn’t his lawyers ask to be excused at this point? Don’t they have conflicts now because it appears they also engaged in obstruction? Is there anyone around him who doesn’t have criminal exposure at this point??

Wow is all I can say.

I think DOJ had an obligation before filing that brief last night to inform Trump's lawyers that they're in legal jeopardy or at the very least, material witnesses. That's why the new guy - who appears to be a good lawyer - was announced yesterday.

I’m sorry, but what? DOJ doesn’t have a team flying around the country informing people under investigation that they’re under investigation and to stop criming. Lying to the FBI in a sworn statement is a problem and you don’t need to be a lawyer for a former president to understand that.

PP's point is about lawyers ethical obligations in a court proceeding.