Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can see both sides of the conversation. Yes, we absolutely need more diversity in our schools—there’s no doubt about that. However, as someone who has sent my son to high-FARMS (Free and Reduced Meals) schools in the past, I have to be honest about what I experienced. Whether those students looked like me or not, there was often a noticeable disregard for others. Fights, verbal altercations, and stealing were common. This was in the 2000s, mind you.

Eventually, I pulled him out and enrolled him in private school. Later, I bought a home in Olney, and my second child attended public schools there and did just fine.

I saw a comment recently suggesting that students on FARMS should be allowed to attend W schools—sort of like a magnet model. I actually think that’s a smart solution. It would increase diversity without bringing the very issues that drove people to move to places like Bethesda, Chevy Chase, or certain areas of Rockville in the first place.

Is it your assertion that all the kids from low-income families had a disregard for others? Or that a higher percentage of them do?

I’m not saying all kids from low-income families behave that way—but there are definitely risk factors we shouldn’t ignore or deny. Poverty brings stress, instability, and sometimes exposure to environments where conflict is normalized. That doesn’t mean every child will act out, but it does mean that schools with higher concentrations of those challenges often deal with more behavioral issues.

That said, yes—FARMS rates do need to be higher in our more affluent schools. That’s exactly why I mentioned that comment about creating a magnet-style program to bring FARMS students into W schools. It’s a way to increase diversity meaningfully, without replicating the same issues that led families—mine included—to seek out places like Olney, Bethesda, or Chevy Chase in the first place. We can aim for inclusion and support while also being realistic about what works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can see both sides of the conversation. Yes, we absolutely need more diversity in our schools—there’s no doubt about that. However, as someone who has sent my son to high-FARMS (Free and Reduced Meals) schools in the past, I have to be honest about what I experienced. Whether those students looked like me or not, there was often a noticeable disregard for others. Fights, verbal altercations, and stealing were common. This was in the 2000s, mind you.

Eventually, I pulled him out and enrolled him in private school. Later, I bought a home in Olney, and my second child attended public schools there and did just fine.

I saw a comment recently suggesting that students on FARMS should be allowed to attend W schools—sort of like a magnet model. I actually think that’s a smart solution. It would increase diversity without bringing the very issues that drove people to move to places like Bethesda, Chevy Chase, or certain areas of Rockville in the first place.

Is it your assertion that all the kids from low-income families had a disregard for others? Or that a higher percentage of them do?

I’m not saying all kids from low-income families behave that way—but there are definitely risk factors we shouldn’t ignore or deny. Poverty brings stress, instability, and sometimes exposure to environments where conflict is normalized. That doesn’t mean every child will act out, but it does mean that schools with higher concentrations of those challenges often deal with more behavioral issues.

That said, yes—FARMS rates do need to be higher in our more affluent schools. That’s exactly why I mentioned that comment about creating a magnet-style program to bring FARMS students into W schools. It’s a way to increase diversity meaningfully, without replicating the same issues that led families—mine included—to seek out places like Olney, Bethesda, or Chevy Chase in the first place. We can aim for inclusion and support while also being realistic about what works.

Neglect, child abuse, violence and lack of supervision are also common in wealthy families, it’s just hidden better. The dcc kids don’t want to be bussed to your school. You don’t want inclusion and diversity, let’s be real.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Contractors know their jobs are not stable. No fed should assume there is either. Live within your means.

Most people live within the means of 2 employed parents. Once one job is gone you can't rapidly downsize - there are houses and childcare etc.

That’s why you live under your means so you can make it work on one income or hustle jobs. That’s not really living within your means. We are a one income family and always knew it could happen and plan accordingly. We didn’t upsize our house as it was affordable. We avoided child care due to the expense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can see both sides of the conversation. Yes, we absolutely need more diversity in our schools—there’s no doubt about that. However, as someone who has sent my son to high-FARMS (Free and Reduced Meals) schools in the past, I have to be honest about what I experienced. Whether those students looked like me or not, there was often a noticeable disregard for others. Fights, verbal altercations, and stealing were common. This was in the 2000s, mind you.

Eventually, I pulled him out and enrolled him in private school. Later, I bought a home in Olney, and my second child attended public schools there and did just fine.

I saw a comment recently suggesting that students on FARMS should be allowed to attend W schools—sort of like a magnet model. I actually think that’s a smart solution. It would increase diversity without bringing the very issues that drove people to move to places like Bethesda, Chevy Chase, or certain areas of Rockville in the first place.

Is it your assertion that all the kids from low-income families had a disregard for others? Or that a higher percentage of them do?

I’m not saying all kids from low-income families behave that way—but there are definitely risk factors we shouldn’t ignore or deny. Poverty brings stress, instability, and sometimes exposure to environments where conflict is normalized. That doesn’t mean every child will act out, but it does mean that schools with higher concentrations of those challenges often deal with more behavioral issues.

That said, yes—FARMS rates do need to be higher in our more affluent schools. That’s exactly why I mentioned that comment about creating a magnet-style program to bring FARMS students into W schools. It’s a way to increase diversity meaningfully, without replicating the same issues that led families—mine included—to seek out places like Olney, Bethesda, or Chevy Chase in the first place. We can aim for inclusion and support while also being realistic about what works.

Neglect, child abuse, violence and lack of supervision are also common in wealthy families, it’s just hidden better. The dcc kids don’t want to be bussed to your school. You don’t want inclusion and diversity, let’s be real.

Don't speak for all DCC kids.

[Anonymous]

FFS, now people are arguing that you should be fine with BOTH losing your job and your home value tanking. And if you don't it's all your fault.

What the hell is wrong with people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Contractors know their jobs are not stable. No fed should assume there is either. Live within your means.

Most people live within the means of 2 employed parents. Once one job is gone you can't rapidly downsize - there are houses and childcare etc.

That’s why you live under your means so you can make it work on one income or hustle jobs. That’s not really living within your means. We are a one income family and always knew it could happen and plan accordingly. We didn’t upsize our house as it was affordable. We avoided child care due to the expense.

how is this related to school boundaries.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:was Farmland specifically redlined, while other parts of Rockville were not?

I don’t think we have houses here that are that old. Plus lots of apartments.

regardless of whether the community was actually redlined to keep black people from owning homes there, the property values should go down because of historical racism everywhere.

Says who? Last I checked Gov Moore vetoed reparations.

BOE and Taylor. That's why they have Option 3.

That is clearly not their job.

their job is to solve systemic racism and fight capitalism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can see both sides of the conversation. Yes, we absolutely need more diversity in our schools—there’s no doubt about that. However, as someone who has sent my son to high-FARMS (Free and Reduced Meals) schools in the past, I have to be honest about what I experienced. Whether those students looked like me or not, there was often a noticeable disregard for others. Fights, verbal altercations, and stealing were common. This was in the 2000s, mind you.

Eventually, I pulled him out and enrolled him in private school. Later, I bought a home in Olney, and my second child attended public schools there and did just fine.

I saw a comment recently suggesting that students on FARMS should be allowed to attend W schools—sort of like a magnet model. I actually think that’s a smart solution. It would increase diversity without bringing the very issues that drove people to move to places like Bethesda, Chevy Chase, or certain areas of Rockville in the first place.

Is it your assertion that all the kids from low-income families had a disregard for others? Or that a higher percentage of them do?

I’m not saying all kids from low-income families behave that way—but there are definitely risk factors we shouldn’t ignore or deny. Poverty brings stress, instability, and sometimes exposure to environments where conflict is normalized. That doesn’t mean every child will act out, but it does mean that schools with higher concentrations of those challenges often deal with more behavioral issues.

That said, yes—FARMS rates do need to be higher in our more affluent schools. That’s exactly why I mentioned that comment about creating a magnet-style program to bring FARMS students into W schools. It’s a way to increase diversity meaningfully, without replicating the same issues that led families—mine included—to seek out places like Olney, Bethesda, or Chevy Chase in the first place. We can aim for inclusion and support while also being realistic about what works.

Neglect, child abuse, violence and lack of supervision are also common in wealthy families, it’s just hidden better. The dcc kids don’t want to be bussed to your school. You don’t want inclusion and diversity, let’s be real.

PP gave valid reasons, and you guys still aren’t satisfied.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can see both sides of the conversation. Yes, we absolutely need more diversity in our schools—there’s no doubt about that. However, as someone who has sent my son to high-FARMS (Free and Reduced Meals) schools in the past, I have to be honest about what I experienced. Whether those students looked like me or not, there was often a noticeable disregard for others. Fights, verbal altercations, and stealing were common. This was in the 2000s, mind you.

Eventually, I pulled him out and enrolled him in private school. Later, I bought a home in Olney, and my second child attended public schools there and did just fine.

I saw a comment recently suggesting that students on FARMS should be allowed to attend W schools—sort of like a magnet model. I actually think that’s a smart solution. It would increase diversity without bringing the very issues that drove people to move to places like Bethesda, Chevy Chase, or certain areas of Rockville in the first place.

Is it your assertion that all the kids from low-income families had a disregard for others? Or that a higher percentage of them do?

I’m not saying all kids from low-income families behave that way—but there are definitely risk factors we shouldn’t ignore or deny. Poverty brings stress, instability, and sometimes exposure to environments where conflict is normalized. That doesn’t mean every child will act out, but it does mean that schools with higher concentrations of those challenges often deal with more behavioral issues.

That said, yes—FARMS rates do need to be higher in our more affluent schools. That’s exactly why I mentioned that comment about creating a magnet-style program to bring FARMS students into W schools. It’s a way to increase diversity meaningfully, without replicating the same issues that led families—mine included—to seek out places like Olney, Bethesda, or Chevy Chase in the first place. We can aim for inclusion and support while also being realistic about what works.

Neglect, child abuse, violence and lack of supervision are also common in wealthy families, it’s just hidden better. The dcc kids don’t want to be bussed to your school. You don’t want inclusion and diversity, let’s be real.

My kid would, he hates his school, and I can’t afford private.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:was Farmland specifically redlined, while other parts of Rockville were not?

I don’t think we have houses here that are that old. Plus lots of apartments.

regardless of whether the community was actually redlined to keep black people from owning homes there, the property values should go down because of historical racism everywhere.

Says who? Last I checked Gov Moore vetoed reparations.

BOE and Taylor. That's why they have Option 3.

That is clearly not their job.

their job is to solve systemic racism and fight capitalism.

I’m assuming you’re being sarcastic.

[Anonymous]

Someone should start separate threads for the different options. Maybe we can stay more focused. That way of people want to argue over the meaning of option 3 and how it can solve all our social problems, have at it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Someone should start separate threads for the different options. Maybe we can stay more focused. That way of people want to argue over the meaning of option 3 and how it can solve all our social problems, have at it.

I like that idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone should start separate threads for the different options. Maybe we can stay more focused. That way of people want to argue over the meaning of option 3 and how it can solve all our social problems, have at it.

I like that idea.

There's already a separate thread for Option 1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone should start separate threads for the different options. Maybe we can stay more focused. That way of people want to argue over the meaning of option 3 and how it can solve all our social problems, have at it.

I like that idea.

There's already a separate thread for Option 1.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1278473.page

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:was Farmland specifically redlined, while other parts of Rockville were not?

I don’t think we have houses here that are that old. Plus lots of apartments.

regardless of whether the community was actually redlined to keep black people from owning homes there, the property values should go down because of historical racism everywhere.

Says who? Last I checked Gov Moore vetoed reparations.

BOE and Taylor. That's why they have Option 3.

That is clearly not their job.

their job is to solve systemic racism and fight capitalism.

I’m assuming you’re being sarcastic.

the contention of many on this thread is that their role is to better integrate schools (fight racism), with a side benefit of wealth transfer from richer to poorer areas (fight capitalism). Why else would they promulgate Option 3?