Magnet Middle School Thread: MAP scores and results

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Anonymous wrote:Decision would be easy for me.

High performers with 99th percentile IQ type scores (if you know) plus coming from a high performing school. Not worth it this year. You'd be better off at your home school with the other high performers who would have gotten in in previous years.

If you have a child who is a lower performer and got lucky in the lottery and your child is in a lower performing school you may want to consider.

Sounds like your child wasn't selected and trying to get off the WL. Magnet programs speak for themselves. Begone, sour grapes!

Nice try. DC is in magnet now in 8th. Not worth it for this year's cohort coming from a school with a good peer group.

It seems like any kid with decent grades and 240/235 MAP-M/MAP-R respectively made the pool, but since selection wasn't based on scores this year fewer outliers will end up in these programs. Sure, these are great programs but it isn't going to be the same.

Well, not exactly. Just heard a friend of mine complained over the weekend that her kid from cold spring CES got excluded from the "pool" with a MAP-R over 240 and MAP-M over 250.

That happens when there are other factors. For example, if the child had a few non-A's that's expected.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's offensive and insulting to those that suggest that "prepping" is unfair and those that do and get high scores, are not deserving. Artists and musicians are applauded for the hours of hard work they put in to fine tune their abilities. Athletes train for hours on end to better themselves. High academic achievement is not just because of prepping - its because the student worked hard on it.

Every child who works on their craft should be applauded for their efforts and recognized for it. I know this will fall on deaf years and so be it.

This has been discussed ad nauseam on other threads and I'm sure will be again, but...

There is a difference between studying (doing homework, preparing for a test in a class, working on an essay, studying for an AP exam) and prepping (preparing for a test like the CogAT, which is meant to be taken unprepped). No one objects to the former, which is most analogous to the sports/arts. Lots of people object to the latter.

We bought a Cogat prep book as its a very different kind of test just to get our child familiar with it. What is the big deal to that? We also heavily supplemented at home, never with tutors as the curriculum was lacking. We didn't do it for the magnet program and our child had zero interest in them but to keep them on grade level and prepare them for MS.

There isn't a big deal but some parents like to dismiss others because their children can't really compete. Further, there was no cogat this year os their point was moot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Decision would be easy for me.

High performers with 99th percentile IQ type scores (if you know) plus coming from a high performing school. Not worth it this year. You'd be better off at your home school with the other high performers who would have gotten in in previous years.

If you have a child who is a lower performer and got lucky in the lottery and your child is in a lower performing school you may want to consider.

Sounds like your child wasn't selected and trying to get off the WL. Magnet programs speak for themselves. Begone, sour grapes!

Nice try. DC is in magnet now in 8th. Not worth it for this year's cohort coming from a school with a good peer group.

It seems like any kid with decent grades and 240/235 MAP-M/MAP-R respectively made the pool, but since selection wasn't based on scores this year fewer outliers will end up in these programs. Sure, these are great programs but it isn't going to be the same.

Well, not exactly. Just heard a friend of mine complained over the weekend that her kid from cold spring CES got excluded from the "pool" with a MAP-R over 240 and MAP-M over 250.

That happens when there are other factors. For example, if the child had a few non-A's that's expected.

They excluded as many people as thyey could based on non-As. Really, that wasn't fair either because they excluded kids who had M for insufficient data during the pandemic and who had B because they were new to Eureka on 4th/5th instead of K and just solved the problem without the stupid model.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Decision would be easy for me.

High performers with 99th percentile IQ type scores (if you know) plus coming from a high performing school. Not worth it this year. You'd be better off at your home school with the other high performers who would have gotten in in previous years.

If you have a child who is a lower performer and got lucky in the lottery and your child is in a lower performing school you may want to consider.

Sounds like your child wasn't selected and trying to get off the WL. Magnet programs speak for themselves. Begone, sour grapes!

Nice try. DC is in magnet now in 8th. Not worth it for this year's cohort coming from a school with a good peer group.

It seems like any kid with decent grades and 240/235 MAP-M/MAP-R respectively made the pool, but since selection wasn't based on scores this year fewer outliers will end up in these programs. Sure, these are great programs but it isn't going to be the same.

Well, not exactly. Just heard a friend of mine complained over the weekend that her kid from cold spring CES got excluded from the "pool" with a MAP-R over 240 and MAP-M over 250.

That happens when there are other factors. For example, if the child had a few non-A's that's expected.

They excluded as many people as thyey could based on non-As. Really, that wasn't fair either because they excluded kids who had M for insufficient data during the pandemic and who had B because they were new to Eureka on 4th/5th instead of K and just solved the problem without the stupid model.

What it indicates to me is that there were separate pools based on each home school. There is no way of knowing for certain because MCPS lacks transparency, but that is the only thing that would make sense to me. Also, that they had to make the pools gender equal (50/50).

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+1 This

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Decision would be easy for me.

High performers with 99th percentile IQ type scores (if you know) plus coming from a high performing school. Not worth it this year. You'd be better off at your home school with the other high performers who would have gotten in in previous years.

If you have a child who is a lower performer and got lucky in the lottery and your child is in a lower performing school you may want to consider.

Sounds like your child wasn't selected and trying to get off the WL. Magnet programs speak for themselves. Begone, sour grapes!

Nice try. DC is in magnet now in 8th. Not worth it for this year's cohort coming from a school with a good peer group.

It seems like any kid with decent grades and 240/235 MAP-M/MAP-R respectively made the pool, but since selection wasn't based on scores this year fewer outliers will end up in these programs. Sure, these are great programs but it isn't going to be the same.

Since there are more kids with scores in the 240s, I'd expect the magnets this year to be solid but not stellar students. This was a predictable outcome since they are using a lottery to select from a pool.

It is really hit or miss who they take. My kid in the 250's didn't get in, waitlisted for one but other kids in the 230's/240's got in. Same grades. This was pre-lottery.

Yes, this was happening before this year. It's not something specific to the lottery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Decision would be easy for me.

High performers with 99th percentile IQ type scores (if you know) plus coming from a high performing school. Not worth it this year. You'd be better off at your home school with the other high performers who would have gotten in in previous years.

If you have a child who is a lower performer and got lucky in the lottery and your child is in a lower performing school you may want to consider.

Sounds like your child wasn't selected and trying to get off the WL. Magnet programs speak for themselves. Begone, sour grapes!

Nice try. DC is in magnet now in 8th. Not worth it for this year's cohort coming from a school with a good peer group.

It seems like any kid with decent grades and 240/235 MAP-M/MAP-R respectively made the pool, but since selection wasn't based on scores this year fewer outliers will end up in these programs. Sure, these are great programs but it isn't going to be the same.

Since there are more kids with scores in the 240s, I'd expect the magnets this year to be solid but not stellar students. This was a predictable outcome since they are using a lottery to select from a pool.

It is really hit or miss who they take. My kid in the 250's didn't get in, waitlisted for one but other kids in the 230's/240's got in. Same grades. This was pre-lottery.

Yes, this was happening before this year. It's not something specific to the lottery.

Going to disagree with that view. A lottery is random. Handicapping schools which the same parents acknowledge are better than others seems fair.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Decision would be easy for me.

High performers with 99th percentile IQ type scores (if you know) plus coming from a high performing school. Not worth it this year. You'd be better off at your home school with the other high performers who would have gotten in in previous years.

If you have a child who is a lower performer and got lucky in the lottery and your child is in a lower performing school you may want to consider.

Sounds like your child wasn't selected and trying to get off the WL. Magnet programs speak for themselves. Begone, sour grapes!

Nice try. DC is in magnet now in 8th. Not worth it for this year's cohort coming from a school with a good peer group.

It seems like any kid with decent grades and 240/235 MAP-M/MAP-R respectively made the pool, but since selection wasn't based on scores this year fewer outliers will end up in these programs. Sure, these are great programs but it isn't going to be the same.

Well, not exactly. Just heard a friend of mine complained over the weekend that her kid from cold spring CES got excluded from the "pool" with a MAP-R over 240 and MAP-M over 250.

That happens when there are other factors. For example, if the child had a few non-A's that's expected.

They excluded as many people as thyey could based on non-As. Really, that wasn't fair either because they excluded kids who had M for insufficient data during the pandemic and who had B because they were new to Eureka on 4th/5th instead of K and just solved the problem without the stupid model.

What it indicates to me is that there were separate pools based on each home school. There is no way of knowing for certain because MCPS lacks transparency, but that is the only thing that would make sense to me. Also, that they had to make the pools gender equal (50/50).

There isn't enough information to draw that conclusion. I read earlier a kid with 244 got in from Chevy Chase.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Decision would be easy for me.

High performers with 99th percentile IQ type scores (if you know) plus coming from a high performing school. Not worth it this year. You'd be better off at your home school with the other high performers who would have gotten in in previous years.

If you have a child who is a lower performer and got lucky in the lottery and your child is in a lower performing school you may want to consider.

Sounds like your child wasn't selected and trying to get off the WL. Magnet programs speak for themselves. Begone, sour grapes!

Nice try. DC is in magnet now in 8th. Not worth it for this year's cohort coming from a school with a good peer group.

It seems like any kid with decent grades and 240/235 MAP-M/MAP-R respectively made the pool, but since selection wasn't based on scores this year fewer outliers will end up in these programs. Sure, these are great programs but it isn't going to be the same.

Well, not exactly. Just heard a friend of mine complained over the weekend that her kid from cold spring CES got excluded from the "pool" with a MAP-R over 240 and MAP-M over 250.

That happens when there are other factors. For example, if the child had a few non-A's that's expected.

They excluded as many people as thyey could based on non-As. Really, that wasn't fair either because they excluded kids who had M for insufficient data during the pandemic and who had B because they were new to Eureka on 4th/5th instead of K and just solved the problem without the stupid model.

What it indicates to me is that there were separate pools based on each home school. There is no way of knowing for certain because MCPS lacks transparency, but that is the only thing that would make sense to me. Also, that they had to make the pools gender equal (50/50).

There isn't enough information to draw that conclusion. I read earlier a kid with 244 got in from Chevy Chase.

DC had similar scores, 242 MAP-R and 248 MAP-M, at cold spring CES. Was in both pools. Sounds like your friend may want to appeal.

[Anonymous]

The letter says multiple criteria were used, including 2019 and 2020 data such as report card grades, reading level, and external assessments such as MAP. We know they looked at grades, and they may have looked at 2019 MAP scores, too. We don't know how they weighed each of these things. It's possible they were all equal, and the most recent MAP scores were only weighed 25% (giving equal weight to 2019 MAP, report card grades, and reading level). We just don't know.

[Anonymous]

I would hope the most recent MAP scores were given relatively smaller weight given the difficulties of proctoring via zoom to rule out adult "help."

[Anonymous]

So this will blow your minds. My kid who is breezing through sixth grade in the TPMS magnet getting 100 percent in virtually all classes and performing very strongly in all the magnet classes, was accepted last year with a low 240s MAP-M.

And you know what? It didn't dumb down the program to take a kid with such a terribly low score! It didn't mean they were letting weaker students in. The MAP score was simply a single data point.

[Anonymous]

Doesn't surprise me. Have a child take a summer math class and they can skip to Algebra I in 6th grade. Its splitting hairs to try to distinguish among kids in the top percentiles. Especially when everybody knows MAP scores track with SES.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So this will blow your minds. My kid who is breezing through sixth grade in the TPMS magnet getting 100 percent in virtually all classes and performing very strongly in all the magnet classes, was accepted last year with a low 240s MAP-M.

And you know what? It didn't dumb down the program to take a kid with such a terribly low score! It didn't mean they were letting weaker students in. The MAP score was simply a single data point.

Don’t let DCUM insult your child! I am sure s/he is wonderful and has many great qualities, including great academics. There is no such thing as a perfect meritocracy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So this will blow your minds. My kid who is breezing through sixth grade in the TPMS magnet getting 100 percent in virtually all classes and performing very strongly in all the magnet classes, was accepted last year with a low 240s MAP-M.

And you know what? It didn't dumb down the program to take a kid with such a terribly low score! It didn't mean they were letting weaker students in. The MAP score was simply a single data point.

Don’t let DCUM insult your child! I am sure s/he is wonderful and has many great qualities, including great academics. There is no such thing as a perfect meritocracy.

Agree, just because you're kid is a little above average in math doesn't mean they shouldn't get enrichment with other slightly above average magnet kids. I just feel badly for those kids who were really gifted who didn't get lucky enough to win the lottery and spent another year plodding through 2.0 that they understood 3-5 years earlier.