I’m a Dem here in Texas. Our wind turbines froze.

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Anonymous wrote:Man the right wing fossil fuel sphere got out there with their message fast.
Democrats and progressives are always playing catch up.
Always trying to unring a bell.

It’s almost like that was the state government’s priority instead of telling citizens how to stay safe.

This happened ten years ago, FERC wrote a report with a ton of recommendations, mostly “winterize your power distribution capability, FFS,” and Texas did nothing. You might recall this because Dallas in particular was a total icy mess the whole week before hosting the Super Bowl for the first time. Here’s the report; of course Texas was not required to follow the recommendations because its power grid is not regulated by the federal government. https://www.ferc.gov/sites/default/files/2020-04/08-16-11-report.pdf

My husband worked on that report. Last night he kept telling me that TX knew.

Of course they knew. They actively chose this scenario. They prefferred cheaper short term electricity over long term reliability amd resiliency.

So basically the GOP builds infrastructure like China builds buildings. Does anyone remember that school that collapsed in China that was practically built with paper clips in place of rebar and sawdust in the cement? This is that. An avoidable tragedy in support of the party’s ideals.

Prelim data suggests this was a 4 standard deviation event. Not many systems in the world built to withstand those types of events.

It happened ten years ago and the lack of winterization was specifically pointed to as the cause by both federal and state investigators. This was forseen and the problems known ahead of time.

And power outages happen all over blue states with heat waves that would be called overnight lows in the Texas summer. Going into the 90s in July of 2019 had DMV officials worried about blackouts while most Texans would be grateful for 90s temps in July and their systems would perform just fine at that demand/operating environment. California had rolling blackouts last year over what Texas could handle as a relatively average summer. Some of this is policy choices and some of it is that nobody builds systems to withstand these kind of events. Whether you’re in TX or CA.

That's just not entirely true. DMV summers are notoriously brutal, even by Texas standards. 90+ degree brutally humid summer days with a heat index over 100 are the norm not the exception around here. We pay extra for an electrical system that has guaranteed backup supply and whose components are weatherized. Texas chose not to and is paying the proverbial piper.

No. DMV summers are not brutal but Texas standards. Not even close. You’re losing track of scale here. Average July temp/heat index in DC is 89/100.8. Average in Dallas 95.2/113.5. And that’s just Dallas. Heat index in Houston, San Antonio and Austin are all worse in July. And the DMV power grid is not built to withstand sustained Texas temps from both a demand and operating perspective.

Ive been in both and I prefer the dry heat. The point is that our systems are built to handle everything from 100+ to -0 because you cant assume that wont happen. We pay to have backup supply in case of an emergency. We pay for weatherization. We dont do this because we want to. We do this because if something happens we dont want a grid failure. Texas on the other hand chooses not to prepare.

No. Systems aren’t built “for anything” that can happen. They are built for ranges that cover 99% of what could happen. When the 1% hits, systems fail. That’s true everywhere in the country. And right now Texas is having the 1% event.

I don’t have time to look for DMV’s ISO right now, but most other ISOs manage to around a one day in 10 year standard (industry standard). So when you get hit with a one day in 50 year event (especially on a multi day period) like Texas is experiencing right now you can expect system failure. You should not expect that your power system will operate under a comparable 4 standard deviation event that hits the DMV.

It’s not a 1% event. Look at the weather records and you will see it is a 1 in 10 year event. It happens every 10 years or so. When you do storm water management you plan for 10 year event for standard builds. Federal highways and key infrastructure(like nuclear power plants, standard power plants, etc) are built to a higher standard...except in Texas

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Man the right wing fossil fuel sphere got out there with their message fast.
Democrats and progressives are always playing catch up.
Always trying to unring a bell.

It’s almost like that was the state government’s priority instead of telling citizens how to stay safe.

This happened ten years ago, FERC wrote a report with a ton of recommendations, mostly “winterize your power distribution capability, FFS,” and Texas did nothing. You might recall this because Dallas in particular was a total icy mess the whole week before hosting the Super Bowl for the first time. Here’s the report; of course Texas was not required to follow the recommendations because its power grid is not regulated by the federal government. https://www.ferc.gov/sites/default/files/2020-04/08-16-11-report.pdf

My husband worked on that report. Last night he kept telling me that TX knew.

Of course they knew. They actively chose this scenario. They prefferred cheaper short term electricity over long term reliability amd resiliency.

+1

From GOP handbook page 1.
Ignore the public good.
Unnecessarily kill Americans.
Then lie about it.

Rinse. Repeat.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Man the right wing fossil fuel sphere got out there with their message fast.
Democrats and progressives are always playing catch up.
Always trying to unring a bell.

It’s almost like that was the state government’s priority instead of telling citizens how to stay safe.

This happened ten years ago, FERC wrote a report with a ton of recommendations, mostly “winterize your power distribution capability, FFS,” and Texas did nothing. You might recall this because Dallas in particular was a total icy mess the whole week before hosting the Super Bowl for the first time. Here’s the report; of course Texas was not required to follow the recommendations because its power grid is not regulated by the federal government. https://www.ferc.gov/sites/default/files/2020-04/08-16-11-report.pdf

My husband worked on that report. Last night he kept telling me that TX knew.

Of course they knew. They actively chose this scenario. They prefferred cheaper short term electricity over long term reliability amd resiliency.

So basically the GOP builds infrastructure like China builds buildings. Does anyone remember that school that collapsed in China that was practically built with paper clips in place of rebar and sawdust in the cement? This is that. An avoidable tragedy in support of the party’s ideals.

Prelim data suggests this was a 4 standard deviation event. Not many systems in the world built to withstand those types of events.

It happened ten years ago and the lack of winterization was specifically pointed to as the cause by both federal and state investigators. This was forseen and the problems known ahead of time.

And power outages happen all over blue states with heat waves that would be called overnight lows in the Texas summer. Going into the 90s in July of 2019 had DMV officials worried about blackouts while most Texans would be grateful for 90s temps in July and their systems would perform just fine at that demand/operating environment. California had rolling blackouts last year over what Texas could handle as a relatively average summer. Some of this is policy choices and some of it is that nobody builds systems to withstand these kind of events. Whether you’re in TX or CA.

That's just not entirely true. DMV summers are notoriously brutal, even by Texas standards. 90+ degree brutally humid summer days with a heat index over 100 are the norm not the exception around here. We pay extra for an electrical system that has guaranteed backup supply and whose components are weatherized. Texas chose not to and is paying the proverbial piper.

No. DMV summers are not brutal but Texas standards. Not even close. You’re losing track of scale here. Average July temp/heat index in DC is 89/100.8. Average in Dallas 95.2/113.5. And that’s just Dallas. Heat index in Houston, San Antonio and Austin are all worse in July. And the DMV power grid is not built to withstand sustained Texas temps from both a demand and operating perspective.

Ive been in both and I prefer the dry heat. The point is that our systems are built to handle everything from 100+ to -0 because you cant assume that wont happen. We pay to have backup supply in case of an emergency. We pay for weatherization. We dont do this because we want to. We do this because if something happens we dont want a grid failure. Texas on the other hand chooses not to prepare.

No. Systems aren’t built “for anything” that can happen. They are built for ranges that cover 99% of what could happen. When the 1% hits, systems fail. That’s true everywhere in the country. And right now Texas is having the 1% event.

I don’t have time to look for DMV’s ISO right now, but most other ISOs manage to around a one day in 10 year standard (industry standard). So when you get hit with a one day in 50 year event (especially on a multi day period) like Texas is experiencing right now you can expect system failure. You should not expect that your power system will operate under a comparable 4 standard deviation event that hits the DMV.

It’s not a 1% event. Look at the weather records and you will see it is a 1 in 10 year event. It happens every 10 years or so. When you do storm water management you plan for 10 year event for standard builds. Federal highways and key infrastructure(like nuclear power plants, standard power plants, etc) are built to a higher standard...except in Texas

Nope.

This type of a freeze is not a one in 10 year event in Texas. Temps may dip to below freezing. You may have multi day below freezing lows, but ground and ambient temps remain such that you don’t get a deep freeze and infrastructure works. This low for this long with this type of precipitation is (I’m told) a 4 standard deviation event.

Here, DMV is part of PJM ISO. PJM clearly tells you they manage load to a once in ten years event. Same for other ISOs. But no grid is built for a once in 50 year event.

See page 2 of link.

https://www.pjm.com/-/media/committees-groups/task-forces/scrstf/20160426/20160426-item-04-education-lole.ashx

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure what to think. My husband works 25 miles away so he packed up a weeks worth of food and clothes. Please do not make a joke of this. The GOP idiots have not kept up our infrastructure. We can handle 100 degrees but not zero. This is scary. I’m worried about power and I have four greyhounds here.

It's like the laws of physic Wind and solar CANNOT meet baseload.

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Anyone remember Enron and what they did to CA, and how that all ended up for Enron.

And yes, Enron was located in TX.

And we have this..

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/energy/2021/02/17/jerry-jones-natural-gas-company-hits-jackpot-as-texas-freeze-drives-up-prices/

The Frisco-based natural gas producer owned by Dallas billionaire Jerry Jones is cashing in on a surge in prices for the fuel as a brutal freeze grips the central U.S.,

Once again, Rs have had the wool pulled over their eyes. But, keep voting R.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure what to think. My husband works 25 miles away so he packed up a weeks worth of food and clothes. Please do not make a joke of this. The GOP idiots have not kept up our infrastructure. We can handle 100 degrees but not zero. This is scary. I’m worried about power and I have four greyhounds here.

It's like the laws of physic Wind and solar CANNOT meet baseload.

It’s like you haven’t read the whole thread and have no idea what actually happened.

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Anonymous wrote:Man the right wing fossil fuel sphere got out there with their message fast.
Democrats and progressives are always playing catch up.
Always trying to unring a bell.

It’s almost like that was the state government’s priority instead of telling citizens how to stay safe.

This happened ten years ago, FERC wrote a report with a ton of recommendations, mostly “winterize your power distribution capability, FFS,” and Texas did nothing. You might recall this because Dallas in particular was a total icy mess the whole week before hosting the Super Bowl for the first time. Here’s the report; of course Texas was not required to follow the recommendations because its power grid is not regulated by the federal government. https://www.ferc.gov/sites/default/files/2020-04/08-16-11-report.pdf

My husband worked on that report. Last night he kept telling me that TX knew.

Of course they knew. They actively chose this scenario. They prefferred cheaper short term electricity over long term reliability amd resiliency.

So basically the GOP builds infrastructure like China builds buildings. Does anyone remember that school that collapsed in China that was practically built with paper clips in place of rebar and sawdust in the cement? This is that. An avoidable tragedy in support of the party’s ideals.

Your 1% event has happened 3 times in the last 30 years. How many billions is this costing in aid and productivity? At some point, it is worth investing in the infrastructure so as to not have to pay these additional emergency costs.
Prelim data suggests this was a 4 standard deviation event. Not many systems in the world built to withstand those types of events.

It happened ten years ago and the lack of winterization was specifically pointed to as the cause by both federal and state investigators. This was forseen and the problems known ahead of time.

And power outages happen all over blue states with heat waves that would be called overnight lows in the Texas summer. Going into the 90s in July of 2019 had DMV officials worried about blackouts while most Texans would be grateful for 90s temps in July and their systems would perform just fine at that demand/operating environment. California had rolling blackouts last year over what Texas could handle as a relatively average summer. Some of this is policy choices and some of it is that nobody builds systems to withstand these kind of events. Whether you’re in TX or CA.

That's just not entirely true. DMV summers are notoriously brutal, even by Texas standards. 90+ degree brutally humid summer days with a heat index over 100 are the norm not the exception around here. We pay extra for an electrical system that has guaranteed backup supply and whose components are weatherized. Texas chose not to and is paying the proverbial piper.

No. DMV summers are not brutal but Texas standards. Not even close. You’re losing track of scale here. Average July temp/heat index in DC is 89/100.8. Average in Dallas 95.2/113.5. And that’s just Dallas. Heat index in Houston, San Antonio and Austin are all worse in July. And the DMV power grid is not built to withstand sustained Texas temps from both a demand and operating perspective.

Ive been in both and I prefer the dry heat. The point is that our systems are built to handle everything from 100+ to -0 because you cant assume that wont happen. We pay to have backup supply in case of an emergency. We pay for weatherization. We dont do this because we want to. We do this because if something happens we dont want a grid failure. Texas on the other hand chooses not to prepare.

No. Systems aren’t built “for anything” that can happen. They are built for ranges that cover 99% of what could happen. When the 1% hits, systems fail. That’s true everywhere in the country. And right now Texas is having the 1% event.

I don’t have time to look for DMV’s ISO right now, but most other ISOs manage to around a one day in 10 year standard (industry standard). So when you get hit with a one day in 50 year event (especially on a multi day period) like Texas is experiencing right now you can expect system failure. You should not expect that your power system will operate under a comparable 4 standard deviation event that hits the DMV.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure what to think. My husband works 25 miles away so he packed up a weeks worth of food and clothes. Please do not make a joke of this. The GOP idiots have not kept up our infrastructure. We can handle 100 degrees but not zero. This is scary. I’m worried about power and I have four greyhounds here.

It's like the laws of physic Wind and solar CANNOT meet baseload.

They could, if we invested in them. We haven't yet.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure what to think. My husband works 25 miles away so he packed up a weeks worth of food and clothes. Please do not make a joke of this. The GOP idiots have not kept up our infrastructure. We can handle 100 degrees but not zero. This is scary. I’m worried about power and I have four greyhounds here.

It's like the laws of physic Wind and solar CANNOT meet baseload.

Leave it to a Republican to spout off without doing some basic fact checking.

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Anonymous wrote:Man the right wing fossil fuel sphere got out there with their message fast.
Democrats and progressives are always playing catch up.
Always trying to unring a bell.

It’s almost like that was the state government’s priority instead of telling citizens how to stay safe.

This happened ten years ago, FERC wrote a report with a ton of recommendations, mostly “winterize your power distribution capability, FFS,” and Texas did nothing. You might recall this because Dallas in particular was a total icy mess the whole week before hosting the Super Bowl for the first time. Here’s the report; of course Texas was not required to follow the recommendations because its power grid is not regulated by the federal government. https://www.ferc.gov/sites/default/files/2020-04/08-16-11-report.pdf

My husband worked on that report. Last night he kept telling me that TX knew.

Of course they knew. They actively chose this scenario. They prefferred cheaper short term electricity over long term reliability amd resiliency.

So basically the GOP builds infrastructure like China builds buildings. Does anyone remember that school that collapsed in China that was practically built with paper clips in place of rebar and sawdust in the cement? This is that. An avoidable tragedy in support of the party’s ideals.

Your 1% event has happened 3 times in the last 30 years. How many billions is this costing in aid and productivity? At some point, it is worth investing in the infrastructure so as to not have to pay these additional emergency costs.
Prelim data suggests this was a 4 standard deviation event. Not many systems in the world built to withstand those types of events.

It happened ten years ago and the lack of winterization was specifically pointed to as the cause by both federal and state investigators. This was forseen and the problems known ahead of time.

And power outages happen all over blue states with heat waves that would be called overnight lows in the Texas summer. Going into the 90s in July of 2019 had DMV officials worried about blackouts while most Texans would be grateful for 90s temps in July and their systems would perform just fine at that demand/operating environment. California had rolling blackouts last year over what Texas could handle as a relatively average summer. Some of this is policy choices and some of it is that nobody builds systems to withstand these kind of events. Whether you’re in TX or CA.

That's just not entirely true. DMV summers are notoriously brutal, even by Texas standards. 90+ degree brutally humid summer days with a heat index over 100 are the norm not the exception around here. We pay extra for an electrical system that has guaranteed backup supply and whose components are weatherized. Texas chose not to and is paying the proverbial piper.

No. DMV summers are not brutal but Texas standards. Not even close. You’re losing track of scale here. Average July temp/heat index in DC is 89/100.8. Average in Dallas 95.2/113.5. And that’s just Dallas. Heat index in Houston, San Antonio and Austin are all worse in July. And the DMV power grid is not built to withstand sustained Texas temps from both a demand and operating perspective.

Ive been in both and I prefer the dry heat. The point is that our systems are built to handle everything from 100+ to -0 because you cant assume that wont happen. We pay to have backup supply in case of an emergency. We pay for weatherization. We dont do this because we want to. We do this because if something happens we dont want a grid failure. Texas on the other hand chooses not to prepare.

No. Systems aren’t built “for anything” that can happen. They are built for ranges that cover 99% of what could happen. When the 1% hits, systems fail. That’s true everywhere in the country. And right now Texas is having the 1% event.

I don’t have time to look for DMV’s ISO right now, but most other ISOs manage to around a one day in 10 year standard (industry standard). So when you get hit with a one day in 50 year event (especially on a multi day period) like Texas is experiencing right now you can expect system failure. You should not expect that your power system will operate under a comparable 4 standard deviation event that hits the DMV.

No one said.anything that can happen. 0-100 degree weather is not a 1% event in either the DMV or DFW. Had the temps been -20 or 120 you'd have a point. But they weren't. This event was manageable, forseeable, and predicted. The weather front was not even sudden. They knew it was coming and didn't prepare.

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Anonymous wrote:Man the right wing fossil fuel sphere got out there with their message fast.
Democrats and progressives are always playing catch up.
Always trying to unring a bell.

It’s almost like that was the state government’s priority instead of telling citizens how to stay safe.

This happened ten years ago, FERC wrote a report with a ton of recommendations, mostly “winterize your power distribution capability, FFS,” and Texas did nothing. You might recall this because Dallas in particular was a total icy mess the whole week before hosting the Super Bowl for the first time. Here’s the report; of course Texas was not required to follow the recommendations because its power grid is not regulated by the federal government. https://www.ferc.gov/sites/default/files/2020-04/08-16-11-report.pdf

My husband worked on that report. Last night he kept telling me that TX knew.

Of course they knew. They actively chose this scenario. They prefferred cheaper short term electricity over long term reliability amd resiliency.

So basically the GOP builds infrastructure like China builds buildings. Does anyone remember that school that collapsed in China that was practically built with paper clips in place of rebar and sawdust in the cement? This is that. An avoidable tragedy in support of the party’s ideals.

Your 1% event has happened 3 times in the last 30 years. How many billions is this costing in aid and productivity? At some point, it is worth investing in the infrastructure so as to not have to pay these additional emergency costs.
Prelim data suggests this was a 4 standard deviation event. Not many systems in the world built to withstand those types of events.

It happened ten years ago and the lack of winterization was specifically pointed to as the cause by both federal and state investigators. This was forseen and the problems known ahead of time.

And power outages happen all over blue states with heat waves that would be called overnight lows in the Texas summer. Going into the 90s in July of 2019 had DMV officials worried about blackouts while most Texans would be grateful for 90s temps in July and their systems would perform just fine at that demand/operating environment. California had rolling blackouts last year over what Texas could handle as a relatively average summer. Some of this is policy choices and some of it is that nobody builds systems to withstand these kind of events. Whether you’re in TX or CA.

That's just not entirely true. DMV summers are notoriously brutal, even by Texas standards. 90+ degree brutally humid summer days with a heat index over 100 are the norm not the exception around here. We pay extra for an electrical system that has guaranteed backup supply and whose components are weatherized. Texas chose not to and is paying the proverbial piper.

No. DMV summers are not brutal but Texas standards. Not even close. You’re losing track of scale here. Average July temp/heat index in DC is 89/100.8. Average in Dallas 95.2/113.5. And that’s just Dallas. Heat index in Houston, San Antonio and Austin are all worse in July. And the DMV power grid is not built to withstand sustained Texas temps from both a demand and operating perspective.

Ive been in both and I prefer the dry heat. The point is that our systems are built to handle everything from 100+ to -0 because you cant assume that wont happen. We pay to have backup supply in case of an emergency. We pay for weatherization. We dont do this because we want to. We do this because if something happens we dont want a grid failure. Texas on the other hand chooses not to prepare.

No. Systems aren’t built “for anything” that can happen. They are built for ranges that cover 99% of what could happen. When the 1% hits, systems fail. That’s true everywhere in the country. And right now Texas is having the 1% event.

I don’t have time to look for DMV’s ISO right now, but most other ISOs manage to around a one day in 10 year standard (industry standard). So when you get hit with a one day in 50 year event (especially on a multi day period) like Texas is experiencing right now you can expect system failure. You should not expect that your power system will operate under a comparable 4 standard deviation event that hits the DMV.

No one said.anything that can happen. 0-100 degree weather is not a 1% event in either the DMV or DFW. Had the temps been -20 or 120 you'd have a point. But they weren't. This event was manageable, forseeable, and predicted. The weather front was not even sudden. They knew it was coming and didn't prepare.

Texas is experiencing a 1% event FOR TEXAS.

Figure out what a 1% event is FOR DMV. That event is the appropriate comparison for what is happening in Texas right now. Odds are that DMV has similar grid experience in the case of a 1% event for DMV as Texas is having for a 1% event FOR TEXAS.

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Anonymous wrote:Man the right wing fossil fuel sphere got out there with their message fast.
Democrats and progressives are always playing catch up.
Always trying to unring a bell.

It’s almost like that was the state government’s priority instead of telling citizens how to stay safe.

This happened ten years ago, FERC wrote a report with a ton of recommendations, mostly “winterize your power distribution capability, FFS,” and Texas did nothing. You might recall this because Dallas in particular was a total icy mess the whole week before hosting the Super Bowl for the first time. Here’s the report; of course Texas was not required to follow the recommendations because its power grid is not regulated by the federal government. https://www.ferc.gov/sites/default/files/2020-04/08-16-11-report.pdf

My husband worked on that report. Last night he kept telling me that TX knew.

Of course they knew. They actively chose this scenario. They prefferred cheaper short term electricity over long term reliability amd resiliency.

So basically the GOP builds infrastructure like China builds buildings. Does anyone remember that school that collapsed in China that was practically built with paper clips in place of rebar and sawdust in the cement? This is that. An avoidable tragedy in support of the party’s ideals.

Your 1% event has happened 3 times in the last 30 years. How many billions is this costing in aid and productivity? At some point, it is worth investing in the infrastructure so as to not have to pay these additional emergency costs.
Prelim data suggests this was a 4 standard deviation event. Not many systems in the world built to withstand those types of events.

It happened ten years ago and the lack of winterization was specifically pointed to as the cause by both federal and state investigators. This was forseen and the problems known ahead of time.

And power outages happen all over blue states with heat waves that would be called overnight lows in the Texas summer. Going into the 90s in July of 2019 had DMV officials worried about blackouts while most Texans would be grateful for 90s temps in July and their systems would perform just fine at that demand/operating environment. California had rolling blackouts last year over what Texas could handle as a relatively average summer. Some of this is policy choices and some of it is that nobody builds systems to withstand these kind of events. Whether you’re in TX or CA.

That's just not entirely true. DMV summers are notoriously brutal, even by Texas standards. 90+ degree brutally humid summer days with a heat index over 100 are the norm not the exception around here. We pay extra for an electrical system that has guaranteed backup supply and whose components are weatherized. Texas chose not to and is paying the proverbial piper.

No. DMV summers are not brutal but Texas standards. Not even close. You’re losing track of scale here. Average July temp/heat index in DC is 89/100.8. Average in Dallas 95.2/113.5. And that’s just Dallas. Heat index in Houston, San Antonio and Austin are all worse in July. And the DMV power grid is not built to withstand sustained Texas temps from both a demand and operating perspective.

Ive been in both and I prefer the dry heat. The point is that our systems are built to handle everything from 100+ to -0 because you cant assume that wont happen. We pay to have backup supply in case of an emergency. We pay for weatherization. We dont do this because we want to. We do this because if something happens we dont want a grid failure. Texas on the other hand chooses not to prepare.

No. Systems aren’t built “for anything” that can happen. They are built for ranges that cover 99% of what could happen. When the 1% hits, systems fail. That’s true everywhere in the country. And right now Texas is having the 1% event.

I don’t have time to look for DMV’s ISO right now, but most other ISOs manage to around a one day in 10 year standard (industry standard). So when you get hit with a one day in 50 year event (especially on a multi day period) like Texas is experiencing right now you can expect system failure. You should not expect that your power system will operate under a comparable 4 standard deviation event that hits the DMV.

No one said.anything that can happen. 0-100 degree weather is not a 1% event in either the DMV or DFW. Had the temps been -20 or 120 you'd have a point. But they weren't. This event was manageable, forseeable, and predicted. The weather front was not even sudden. They knew it was coming and didn't prepare.

Texas is experiencing a 1% event FOR TEXAS.

Figure out what a 1% event is FOR DMV. That event is the appropriate comparison for what is happening in Texas right now. Odds are that DMV has similar grid experience in the case of a 1% event for DMV as Texas is having for a 1% event FOR TEXAS.

No Texas is not. It is a 1 in 10 year event for Texas. Look it up. There are references that planners, engineers and designers use.

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DFW is in Texas.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Man the right wing fossil fuel sphere got out there with their message fast.
Democrats and progressives are always playing catch up.
Always trying to unring a bell.

It’s almost like that was the state government’s priority instead of telling citizens how to stay safe.

This happened ten years ago, FERC wrote a report with a ton of recommendations, mostly “winterize your power distribution capability, FFS,” and Texas did nothing. You might recall this because Dallas in particular was a total icy mess the whole week before hosting the Super Bowl for the first time. Here’s the report; of course Texas was not required to follow the recommendations because its power grid is not regulated by the federal government. https://www.ferc.gov/sites/default/files/2020-04/08-16-11-report.pdf

My husband worked on that report. Last night he kept telling me that TX knew.

Of course they knew. They actively chose this scenario. They prefferred cheaper short term electricity over long term reliability amd resiliency.

So basically the GOP builds infrastructure like China builds buildings. Does anyone remember that school that collapsed in China that was practically built with paper clips in place of rebar and sawdust in the cement? This is that. An avoidable tragedy in support of the party’s ideals.

Your 1% event has happened 3 times in the last 30 years. How many billions is this costing in aid and productivity? At some point, it is worth investing in the infrastructure so as to not have to pay these additional emergency costs.
Prelim data suggests this was a 4 standard deviation event. Not many systems in the world built to withstand those types of events.

It happened ten years ago and the lack of winterization was specifically pointed to as the cause by both federal and state investigators. This was forseen and the problems known ahead of time.

And power outages happen all over blue states with heat waves that would be called overnight lows in the Texas summer. Going into the 90s in July of 2019 had DMV officials worried about blackouts while most Texans would be grateful for 90s temps in July and their systems would perform just fine at that demand/operating environment. California had rolling blackouts last year over what Texas could handle as a relatively average summer. Some of this is policy choices and some of it is that nobody builds systems to withstand these kind of events. Whether you’re in TX or CA.

That's just not entirely true. DMV summers are notoriously brutal, even by Texas standards. 90+ degree brutally humid summer days with a heat index over 100 are the norm not the exception around here. We pay extra for an electrical system that has guaranteed backup supply and whose components are weatherized. Texas chose not to and is paying the proverbial piper.

No. DMV summers are not brutal but Texas standards. Not even close. You’re losing track of scale here. Average July temp/heat index in DC is 89/100.8. Average in Dallas 95.2/113.5. And that’s just Dallas. Heat index in Houston, San Antonio and Austin are all worse in July. And the DMV power grid is not built to withstand sustained Texas temps from both a demand and operating perspective.

Ive been in both and I prefer the dry heat. The point is that our systems are built to handle everything from 100+ to -0 because you cant assume that wont happen. We pay to have backup supply in case of an emergency. We pay for weatherization. We dont do this because we want to. We do this because if something happens we dont want a grid failure. Texas on the other hand chooses not to prepare.

No. Systems aren’t built “for anything” that can happen. They are built for ranges that cover 99% of what could happen. When the 1% hits, systems fail. That’s true everywhere in the country. And right now Texas is having the 1% event.

I don’t have time to look for DMV’s ISO right now, but most other ISOs manage to around a one day in 10 year standard (industry standard). So when you get hit with a one day in 50 year event (especially on a multi day period) like Texas is experiencing right now you can expect system failure. You should not expect that your power system will operate under a comparable 4 standard deviation event that hits the DMV.

No one said.anything that can happen. 0-100 degree weather is not a 1% event in either the DMV or DFW. Had the temps been -20 or 120 you'd have a point. But they weren't. This event was manageable, forseeable, and predicted. The weather front was not even sudden. They knew it was coming and didn't prepare.

Texas is experiencing a 1% event FOR TEXAS.

Figure out what a 1% event is FOR DMV. That event is the appropriate comparison for what is happening in Texas right now. Odds are that DMV has similar grid experience in the case of a 1% event for DMV as Texas is having for a 1% event FOR TEXAS.

No Texas is not. It is a 1 in 10 year event for Texas. Look it up. There are references that planners, engineers and designers use.

+1 look at the action report from the 2011 winter event that recommended the very steps that were avoided causing this years catastrophe.

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It’s almost like that was the state government’s priority instead of telling citizens how to stay safe.

This happened ten years ago, FERC wrote a report with a ton of recommendations, mostly “winterize your power distribution capability, FFS,” and Texas did nothing. You might recall this because Dallas in particular was a total icy mess the whole week before hosting the Super Bowl for the first time. Here’s the report; of course Texas was not required to follow the recommendations because its power grid is not regulated by the federal government. https://www.ferc.gov/sites/default/files/2020-04/08-16-11-report.pdf

My husband worked on that report. Last night he kept telling me that TX knew.

Of course they knew. They actively chose this scenario. They prefferred cheaper short term electricity over long term reliability amd resiliency.

So basically the GOP builds infrastructure like China builds buildings. Does anyone remember that school that collapsed in China that was practically built with paper clips in place of rebar and sawdust in the cement? This is that. An avoidable tragedy in support of the party’s ideals.

Prelim data suggests this was a 4 standard deviation event. Not many systems in the world built to withstand those types of events.

It happened ten years ago and the lack of winterization was specifically pointed to as the cause by both federal and state investigators. This was forseen and the problems known ahead of time.

And power outages happen all over blue states with heat waves that would be called overnight lows in the Texas summer. Going into the 90s in July of 2019 had DMV officials worried about blackouts while most Texans would be grateful for 90s temps in July and their systems would perform just fine at that demand/operating environment. California had rolling blackouts last year over what Texas could handle as a relatively average summer. Some of this is policy choices and some of it is that nobody builds systems to withstand these kind of events. Whether you’re in TX or CA.

That's just not entirely true. DMV summers are notoriously brutal, even by Texas standards. 90+ degree brutally humid summer days with a heat index over 100 are the norm not the exception around here. We pay extra for an electrical system that has guaranteed backup supply and whose components are weatherized. Texas chose not to and is paying the proverbial piper.

No. DMV summers are not brutal but Texas standards. Not even close. You’re losing track of scale here. Average July temp/heat index in DC is 89/100.8. Average in Dallas 95.2/113.5. And that’s just Dallas. Heat index in Houston, San Antonio and Austin are all worse in July. And the DMV power grid is not built to withstand sustained Texas temps from both a demand and operating perspective.

Ive been in both and I prefer the dry heat. The point is that our systems are built to handle everything from 100+ to -0 because you cant assume that wont happen. We pay to have backup supply in case of an emergency. We pay for weatherization. We dont do this because we want to. We do this because if something happens we dont want a grid failure. Texas on the other hand chooses not to prepare.

No. Systems aren’t built “for anything” that can happen. They are built for ranges that cover 99% of what could happen. When the 1% hits, systems fail. That’s true everywhere in the country. And right now Texas is having the 1% event.

I don’t have time to look for DMV’s ISO right now, but most other ISOs manage to around a one day in 10 year standard (industry standard). So when you get hit with a one day in 50 year event (especially on a multi day period) like Texas is experiencing right now you can expect system failure. You should not expect that your power system will operate under a comparable 4 standard deviation event that hits the DMV.

It’s not a 1% event. Look at the weather records and you will see it is a 1 in 10 year event. It happens every 10 years or so. When you do storm water management you plan for 10 year event for standard builds. Federal highways and key infrastructure(like nuclear power plants, standard power plants, etc) are built to a higher standard...except in Texas

Friend of mine’s family goes back to the 1850s in TX and said that they have never seen it like this where he lives. I’d say it happens every 10 years in Dallas, not as far south as Houston