Just found out that a nice person I know is a Republican

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Anonymous wrote:Like I said, my post is sincere

I don't think all Republicans are horrible people but I also think almost all Republican political actions are horrible

How can I make sense of this?

Just when I thought DCUM couldn’t get any more absurd. OP, you are not doing your fellow liberals any favors here.

name 3 examples of a republican policy that helped people and didn't just help a few and screw the rest

You must be joking.

1) Deregulation and corporate tax reform to get the economy growing at 3% and delivering more and better jobs for everyone in the private sector (like, what, 100 million people?)

2) Getting rid of the crazy "Dear Colleague" regulations concerning rape in college campuses that stole the presumption of innocence and essential safeguards from over a million students...because they were male.

3) New laws favoring generic drugs to lower drug prices

You can also argue than a stronger military and the "new NAFTA" are going to help many people.

And the list continues.

LOL. Yes, let’s help the rapey frat bros. They really need help.

I see you have learned from Goebbels how to label, scapegoat, dehumanize and defame others.

I can't believe the PPs that think men need MORE protection after years and years and years of women not being taken seriously when they have tried to report rape, assault and harassment.

Finally calling men to the carpet for bad behavior is not labeling, not scapegoating, not dehumanizing, and not defaming. It's called justice.

I suspect the men who are so up in arms about recent events have reason to be scared. Times up scumbags.

Let us know how you feel about that when your husband, son, brother, father, or friend is falsely accused and no one is interested in hearing his side of the story. Look, it's clear you hate all men and want to see them burn in hell whether or not they committed any crime, but thankfully, civilized society is onto nutcases like you. Due process will be afforded to ALL. Sorry to disappoint you and your fever dream of revenge.
- A wife, mother, sister, daughter, and friend to men.

I am the PP you quoted. I haven't taken part in any of the previous responses to your post.

When I see a response like yours, it is difficult to believe it is genuine and not the work of a troll. It is difficult to take it or you seriously when it would indicate you lack any common sense or basic abilities to comprehend what you read. It is difficult to understand why you would think and respond the way you do when it flies in the face of everything that is known about harassment and assault cases against women. Our justice system already has many protections in place for any person who is accused of a crime.

I am a wife, a mother, a sister, a daughter. I am a friend to men AND women. The chances that the wonderful men in my life will be falsely accused is very, very low. On the other hand, the chances that the wonderful women in my life will have already or in the future experience harassment, assault or even rape, not to mention other negative effects of sexism that are very much present in our society, is astronomically higher. If you are truly and honestly more concerned about the men in your life being falsely accused of a sexual crime than you are for justice for the women who actually experience sexual crimes, then I fear you are a friend to no one.

NP. Thank goodness for DeVos’ reforms which are, on balance, reasonable. Yes, the chances are very small that sons will be falsely accused. But there’s a chance nonetheless. And virtually any privileged mommy here would spare no cost or leave any stone unturned if her snowflake son convincingly maintained his innocence. White women of privilege should also be advocates for minoriity men who are falsely accused.

Did you read all of the victim protections she removed? You are disgusting.

No lie. These women who are more worried for the remote possibility that their son will be falsely accused (!!!!!!!!!!!WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) than for victimized women are so completely frustrating.

You should educate yourself on the process that goes on in many colleges these days. Men can be accused and expelled from school for nothing. If a man is accused they will often:

1) Not be allowed to represented by counsel
2) Not be allowed to present evidence in their own defense or call witnesses
3) Not be allowed to question their accuser
4) Be convicted by a kangaroo student group that is entirely biased against them on the "preponderance of the evidence" standard

By the same token, you can find a devastating number of stories of women whose complaints were ignored and swept under the rug to protect the school or who were otherwise re-vicitimized by the administrators at their school.

The fact is, cases of harassment or assault should be handled by the local authorities, not colleges/universities, so that the rights of all parties can be protected.

And to be clear, the number of women who have suffered VASTLY outpaces the number of men.

Actually men are 2 x more likely to be a victim of violant assault vs women. Also if you look at the statistics coming out of prisons more men are raped in the US vs women. The numbers are like 216,000 prisoners are raped per year vs 90,000 rapes reported outside of federal prisons. There is also evidence that male college students are sexually assaulted at a slighty high rate vs female as shown in surveys where both sexs are include and the acts are listed- ie groping, forced kissing, etc. I think it is wrong to replace one type of sexism for another.

Link? Because 95% of Trump supporters make up fake numbers to support their argument.

And let’s say that it is true...all the more reason to push for survivors’ rights — man or woman.

Your comment includes a very questionable statement of fact.

Please source it with a credible reference, and then I'll be happy to provide a relevant link

(I'm a different poster, btw, but your post is so infantile I couldn't but intervene)

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Anonymous wrote:Like I said, my post is sincere

I don't think all Republicans are horrible people but I also think almost all Republican political actions are horrible

How can I make sense of this?

Just when I thought DCUM couldn’t get any more absurd. OP, you are not doing your fellow liberals any favors here.

name 3 examples of a republican policy that helped people and didn't just help a few and screw the rest

You must be joking.

1) Deregulation and corporate tax reform to get the economy growing at 3% and delivering more and better jobs for everyone in the private sector (like, what, 100 million people?)

2) Getting rid of the crazy "Dear Colleague" regulations concerning rape in college campuses that stole the presumption of innocence and essential safeguards from over a million students...because they were male.

3) New laws favoring generic drugs to lower drug prices

You can also argue than a stronger military and the "new NAFTA" are going to help many people.

And the list continues.

LOL. Yes, let’s help the rapey frat bros. They really need help.

I see you have learned from Goebbels how to label, scapegoat, dehumanize and defame others.

I can't believe the PPs that think men need MORE protection after years and years and years of women not being taken seriously when they have tried to report rape, assault and harassment.

Finally calling men to the carpet for bad behavior is not labeling, not scapegoating, not dehumanizing, and not defaming. It's called justice.

I suspect the men who are so up in arms about recent events have reason to be scared. Times up scumbags.

Let us know how you feel about that when your husband, son, brother, father, or friend is falsely accused and no one is interested in hearing his side of the story. Look, it's clear you hate all men and want to see them burn in hell whether or not they committed any crime, but thankfully, civilized society is onto nutcases like you. Due process will be afforded to ALL. Sorry to disappoint you and your fever dream of revenge.
- A wife, mother, sister, daughter, and friend to men.

I am the PP you quoted. I haven't taken part in any of the previous responses to your post.

When I see a response like yours, it is difficult to believe it is genuine and not the work of a troll. It is difficult to take it or you seriously when it would indicate you lack any common sense or basic abilities to comprehend what you read. It is difficult to understand why you would think and respond the way you do when it flies in the face of everything that is known about harassment and assault cases against women. Our justice system already has many protections in place for any person who is accused of a crime.

I am a wife, a mother, a sister, a daughter. I am a friend to men AND women. The chances that the wonderful men in my life will be falsely accused is very, very low. On the other hand, the chances that the wonderful women in my life will have already or in the future experience harassment, assault or even rape, not to mention other negative effects of sexism that are very much present in our society, is astronomically higher. If you are truly and honestly more concerned about the men in your life being falsely accused of a sexual crime than you are for justice for the women who actually experience sexual crimes, then I fear you are a friend to no one.

NP. Thank goodness for DeVos’ reforms which are, on balance, reasonable. Yes, the chances are very small that sons will be falsely accused. But there’s a chance nonetheless. And virtually any privileged mommy here would spare no cost or leave any stone unturned if her snowflake son convincingly maintained his innocence. White women of privilege should also be advocates for minoriity men who are falsely accused.

Did you read all of the victim protections she removed? You are disgusting.

No lie. These women who are more worried for the remote possibility that their son will be falsely accused (!!!!!!!!!!!WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) than for victimized women are so completely frustrating.

You should educate yourself on the process that goes on in many colleges these days. Men can be accused and expelled from school for nothing. If a man is accused they will often:

1) Not be allowed to represented by counsel
2) Not be allowed to present evidence in their own defense or call witnesses
3) Not be allowed to question their accuser
4) Be convicted by a kangaroo student group that is entirely biased against them on the "preponderance of the evidence" standard

By the same token, you can find a devastating number of stories of women whose complaints were ignored and swept under the rug to protect the school or who were otherwise re-vicitimized by the administrators at their school.

The fact is, cases of harassment or assault should be handled by the local authorities, not colleges/universities, so that the rights of all parties can be protected.

And to be clear, the number of women who have suffered VASTLY outpaces the number of men.

Actually men are 2 x more likely to be a victim of violant assault vs women. Also if you look at the statistics coming out of prisons more men are raped in the US vs women. The numbers are like 216,000 prisoners are raped per year vs 90,000 rapes reported outside of federal prisons. There is also evidence that male college students are sexually assaulted at a slighty high rate vs female as shown in surveys where both sexs are include and the acts are listed- ie groping, forced kissing, etc. I think it is wrong to replace one type of sexism for another.

Link? Because 95% of Trump supporters make up fake numbers to support their argument.

And let’s say that it is true...all the more reason to push for survivors’ rights — man or woman.

Your comment includes a very questionable statement of fact.

Please source it with a credible reference, and then I'll be happy to provide a relevant link

(I'm a different poster, btw, but your post is so infantile I couldn't but intervene)

I’ll post my link as soon as PP does.

[Anonymous]

Sorry, crazy poster, that's not how it works. You used a crazy "fact" to ask for further evidence.

YOU backup your "fact" and then we can have an adult conversation.

Or, we send you some diapers for free, as I imagine you may need them right now.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, crazy poster, that's not how it works. You used a crazy "fact" to ask for further evidence.

YOU backup your "fact" and then we can have an adult conversation.

Or, we send you some diapers for free, as I imagine you may need them right now.

Just like I thought. It was BS fact. 100%. You lie and lie and lie all day long....


So regardless of who is assaulted (insert your BS argument here) don't we want to protect their rights over the rights of the assaulters?

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So regardless of who is assaulted (insert your BS argument here) don't we want to protect their rights over the rights of the assaulters?

So, you don't believe in due process?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, crazy poster, that's not how it works. You used a crazy "fact" to ask for further evidence.

YOU backup your "fact" and then we can have an adult conversation.

Or, we send you some diapers for free, as I imagine you may need them right now.

Just like I thought. It was BS fact. 100%. You lie and lie and lie all day long....


So regardless of who is assaulted (insert your BS argument here) don't we want to protect their rights over the rights of the assaulters?

???

Before I thought you were crazy in the casual political sense.

Now I suspect you may be crazy in the clinical, mental health sense.

Please do consult a professional as soon as you can.

[Anonymous]

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So regardless of who is assaulted (insert your BS argument here) don't we want to protect their rights over the rights of the assaulters?

So, you don't believe in due process?

Waiting on your answer.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, crazy poster, that's not how it works. You used a crazy "fact" to ask for further evidence.

YOU backup your "fact" and then we can have an adult conversation.

Or, we send you some diapers for free, as I imagine you may need them right now.

Just like I thought. It was BS fact. 100%. You lie and lie and lie all day long....


So regardless of who is assaulted (insert your BS argument here) don't we want to protect their rights over the rights of the assaulters?

???

Before I thought you were crazy in the casual political sense.

Now I suspect you may be crazy in the clinical, mental health sense.

Please do consult a professional as soon as you can.

1. I called out PP for pulling random “facts” from her arsehole.
2. I think assault survivors should be protected more than assaulters.

If that makes me crazy...

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So regardless of who is assaulted (insert your BS argument here) don't we want to protect their rights over the rights of the assaulters?

So, you don't believe in due process?

Waiting on your answer.

DP. Oh for heaven's sake, give your BS a rest. Stop making those psycho, Fox-News leaps to the extreme.

"You want to protect the assaulted.......duh, that means you don't care about due process, right?"

No, dumba**. It means in the course of the due process, we also need to look out for the victim.

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So regardless of who is assaulted (insert your BS argument here) don't we want to protect their rights over the rights of the assaulters?

So, you don't believe in due process?

Waiting on your answer.

DP. Oh for heaven's sake, give your BS a rest. Stop making those psycho, Fox-News leaps to the extreme.

"You want to protect the assaulted.......duh, that means you don't care about due process, right?"

No, dumba**. It means in the course of the due process, we also need to look out for the victim.

Then why are you happy that Betsy reversed protections for survivors?

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Anonymous wrote:Like I said, my post is sincere

I don't think all Republicans are horrible people but I also think almost all Republican political actions are horrible

How can I make sense of this?

Just when I thought DCUM couldn’t get any more absurd. OP, you are not doing your fellow liberals any favors here.

name 3 examples of a republican policy that helped people and didn't just help a few and screw the rest

You must be joking.

1) Deregulation and corporate tax reform to get the economy growing at 3% and delivering more and better jobs for everyone in the private sector (like, what, 100 million people?)

2) Getting rid of the crazy "Dear Colleague" regulations concerning rape in college campuses that stole the presumption of innocence and essential safeguards from over a million students...because they were male.

3) New laws favoring generic drugs to lower drug prices

You can also argue than a stronger military and the "new NAFTA" are going to help many people.

And the list continues.

LOL. Yes, let’s help the rapey frat bros. They really need help.

I see you have learned from Goebbels how to label, scapegoat, dehumanize and defame others.

I can't believe the PPs that think men need MORE protection after years and years and years of women not being taken seriously when they have tried to report rape, assault and harassment.

Finally calling men to the carpet for bad behavior is not labeling, not scapegoating, not dehumanizing, and not defaming. It's called justice.

I suspect the men who are so up in arms about recent events have reason to be scared. Times up scumbags.

Let us know how you feel about that when your husband, son, brother, father, or friend is falsely accused and no one is interested in hearing his side of the story. Look, it's clear you hate all men and want to see them burn in hell whether or not they committed any crime, but thankfully, civilized society is onto nutcases like you. Due process will be afforded to ALL. Sorry to disappoint you and your fever dream of revenge.
- A wife, mother, sister, daughter, and friend to men.

I am the PP you quoted. I haven't taken part in any of the previous responses to your post.

When I see a response like yours, it is difficult to believe it is genuine and not the work of a troll. It is difficult to take it or you seriously when it would indicate you lack any common sense or basic abilities to comprehend what you read. It is difficult to understand why you would think and respond the way you do when it flies in the face of everything that is known about harassment and assault cases against women. Our justice system already has many protections in place for any person who is accused of a crime.

I am a wife, a mother, a sister, a daughter. I am a friend to men AND women. The chances that the wonderful men in my life will be falsely accused is very, very low. On the other hand, the chances that the wonderful women in my life will have already or in the future experience harassment, assault or even rape, not to mention other negative effects of sexism that are very much present in our society, is astronomically higher. If you are truly and honestly more concerned about the men in your life being falsely accused of a sexual crime than you are for justice for the women who actually experience sexual crimes, then I fear you are a friend to no one.

I see. You read a response you don't like and consider it the work of a "troll." Gee, where have we heard that before? Oh, right! Every single day on DCUM.

Yes, sexual crimes are real and absolutely to be taken seriously. But I will never choose to live my life as a victim, cowering in fear of what could happen.

The wonderful women in *my* life don't consider themselves "victims." I'm sorry that yours (and you, of course) do. We don't feel that every man is out to get us or that our lives are eminently threatened every time we walk out the door. It must be very distressing to live like that, and I'm sorry for you.

Are you the "friend to men"? You realize in your effort to sound all brave and such you just made my point for me, right? You choose not to cower in fear of what could happen? Then why are you cowering in fear over the possibility that a man in your life *could* be falsely accused of a crime? That is MUCH less likely to happen then that you, as a woman, could be the victim of harassment/assault/rape. (I hope to God you never have been and never will be.) Yet here you are worrying about something statistically far less likely to happen if you are worried about the men in your life. You can't have it both ways. You are trying to sound clever, but you make no sense at all. This is the reason these "defend the men" posts seem trolly to me; not because I don't agree with them, but because they are nonsensical and seem purposely over the top in order to trigger a response.

Men should be protected under the law absolutely; I have never said otherwise. They are already amply protected in these cases and history is on my side with this one. Women need to be equally protected. Apparently, you don't feel that way, and you are bizarrely smug about it. You make my skin crawl.

How are women not equally protected under the law? Are we not all afforded due process? What protections do men have that women do not have? Please elaborate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So regardless of who is assaulted (insert your BS argument here) don't we want to protect their rights over the rights of the assaulters?

So, you don't believe in due process?

Waiting on your answer.

DP. Oh for heaven's sake, give your BS a rest. Stop making those psycho, Fox-News leaps to the extreme.

"You want to protect the assaulted.......duh, that means you don't care about due process, right?"

No, dumba**. It means in the course of the due process, we also need to look out for the victim.

Then why are you happy that Betsy reversed protections for survivors?

? Where do you get that? I said I was a DP.

I am not happy about anything Betsy has done.

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Anonymous wrote:we currently HAVE a Minority ruling the majority. You just don't care to see it.

women + POC >>> white men

Your days are over, a-holes. Just look at the midterm elections.

Ding ding ding! We have a racist!

Sorry, you’re not relevant anymore. Must be painful.

Well, I'm not a white man, so according to you, I'm very relevant! And yes, you are a racist.

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Anonymous wrote:Like I said, my post is sincere

I don't think all Republicans are horrible people but I also think almost all Republican political actions are horrible

How can I make sense of this?

Just when I thought DCUM couldn’t get any more absurd. OP, you are not doing your fellow liberals any favors here.

name 3 examples of a republican policy that helped people and didn't just help a few and screw the rest

You must be joking.

1) Deregulation and corporate tax reform to get the economy growing at 3% and delivering more and better jobs for everyone in the private sector (like, what, 100 million people?)

2) Getting rid of the crazy "Dear Colleague" regulations concerning rape in college campuses that stole the presumption of innocence and essential safeguards from over a million students...because they were male.

3) New laws favoring generic drugs to lower drug prices

You can also argue than a stronger military and the "new NAFTA" are going to help many people.

And the list continues.

LOL. Yes, let’s help the rapey frat bros. They really need help.

I see you have learned from Goebbels how to label, scapegoat, dehumanize and defame others.

I can't believe the PPs that think men need MORE protection after years and years and years of women not being taken seriously when they have tried to report rape, assault and harassment.

Finally calling men to the carpet for bad behavior is not labeling, not scapegoating, not dehumanizing, and not defaming. It's called justice.

I suspect the men who are so up in arms about recent events have reason to be scared. Times up scumbags.

Let us know how you feel about that when your husband, son, brother, father, or friend is falsely accused and no one is interested in hearing his side of the story. Look, it's clear you hate all men and want to see them burn in hell whether or not they committed any crime, but thankfully, civilized society is onto nutcases like you. Due process will be afforded to ALL. Sorry to disappoint you and your fever dream of revenge.
- A wife, mother, sister, daughter, and friend to men.

I am the PP you quoted. I haven't taken part in any of the previous responses to your post.

When I see a response like yours, it is difficult to believe it is genuine and not the work of a troll. It is difficult to take it or you seriously when it would indicate you lack any common sense or basic abilities to comprehend what you read. It is difficult to understand why you would think and respond the way you do when it flies in the face of everything that is known about harassment and assault cases against women. Our justice system already has many protections in place for any person who is accused of a crime.

I am a wife, a mother, a sister, a daughter. I am a friend to men AND women. The chances that the wonderful men in my life will be falsely accused is very, very low. On the other hand, the chances that the wonderful women in my life will have already or in the future experience harassment, assault or even rape, not to mention other negative effects of sexism that are very much present in our society, is astronomically higher. If you are truly and honestly more concerned about the men in your life being falsely accused of a sexual crime than you are for justice for the women who actually experience sexual crimes, then I fear you are a friend to no one.

I see. You read a response you don't like and consider it the work of a "troll." Gee, where have we heard that before? Oh, right! Every single day on DCUM.

Yes, sexual crimes are real and absolutely to be taken seriously. But I will never choose to live my life as a victim, cowering in fear of what could happen.

The wonderful women in *my* life don't consider themselves "victims." I'm sorry that yours (and you, of course) do. We don't feel that every man is out to get us or that our lives are eminently threatened every time we walk out the door. It must be very distressing to live like that, and I'm sorry for you.

Are you the "friend to men"? You realize in your effort to sound all brave and such you just made my point for me, right? You choose not to cower in fear of what could happen? Then why are you cowering in fear over the possibility that a man in your life *could* be falsely accused of a crime? That is MUCH less likely to happen then that you, as a woman, could be the victim of harassment/assault/rape. (I hope to God you never have been and never will be.) Yet here you are worrying about something statistically far less likely to happen if you are worried about the men in your life. You can't have it both ways. You are trying to sound clever, but you make no sense at all. This is the reason these "defend the men" posts seem trolly to me; not because I don't agree with them, but because they are nonsensical and seem purposely over the top in order to trigger a response.

Men should be protected under the law absolutely; I have never said otherwise. They are already amply protected in these cases and history is on my side with this one. Women need to be equally protected. Apparently, you don't feel that way, and you are bizarrely smug about it. You make my skin crawl.

How are women not equally protected under the law? Are we not all afforded due process? What protections do men have that women do not have? Please elaborate.

Supposedly, on paper, but in reality? No. Women are not equally protected when it comes to sexual harassment and assault. Talk to women in your own life. You will find someone who can share their story of harassment or assault and then the completely inadequate response. Or of their fear to even tell anyone/do anything because of the way women are not believed or endure retribution if they speak up. And that will just be women you know, so multiply that.

Have you been living under a rock?

[Anonymous]

Is the OP really this incredibly stupid?