Beauvoir

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Anonymous wrote:A handful of Beauvior to NCS/STA kids were flat out rejected due to either behavior issues or poor testing not seen in K entry year.

There is simply no way you could know this.

Actually PP could know this if she heard it from the families. Beauvoir has a tendency of allowing pre-k/k behavioral issues to go undetected. Then, big surprise in 3rd grade when it becomes an admissions rec problem. Our graduating class had 3 boys rejected from STA due to behavioral/testing issues. Actually there was a 4th boy, but he was expelled Dec of third grade and didn't get all the way through the STA admissions process.

Rather than "undetected," do you mean to say "unaddressed."?

Yes. Unaddressed. Apparently, more or less they were noting the issues in the boys files throughout the years.

[Anonymous]

noting the issues in the boys files and not telling the parents? the writeups seem very well thought out and complete and i'm just wondering wouldn't they put something in the writeup about behavior if it was an issue? or at least discuss it w. parents during the conference. i'd hate to be blindsided so late in the game if i didn't know my child had these issues....

[Anonymous]

Just ask the AD from STA for a debrief.

[Anonymous]

** I am the PP we did that at Sidwell not STA. Also I am sure the Beauvoir placement director could shed some light.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What do you mean by allowing pre-k/k issues to go undetected? do you mean the teachers don't let the parents know if there are issues?

Teachers or the counselor, no.

In the 3 boys cases our year, their issues were discussed end of 2nd grade/beginning of 3rd grade when it was too late.

Beauvoir has ALWAYS had extremely thorough & detailed narrative teacher evaluations. Not simply fill in the blank/check the boxes forms. I would be very surprised if these issues were not discussed in the earlier years... maybe not in the language of the student being a candidate for STA/NCS, but I find it hard to believe these issues just miraculously appeared out-of-the-blue at the end of the 2nd grade. The school probably only formally began to discuss the student's candidacy until late 2nd grade.

As a parent, no matter if your child is 2 of 7, if hear from child's teacher he or she is lagging or having trouble with socially, I would hope you would follow-up with the teacher and/or school as to how to resolve the issue and possibly with your pediatrician, and if these issue continues what this means in the long term.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:** I am the PP we did that at Sidwell not STA. Also I am sure the Beauvoir placement director could shed some light.

You mean she didn't in December during feedback?

Do ask STA for a debrief. If your son's wisc iv (full scale) was under 120 that sometimes is a problem. They also review processing speed and the vocab subset. STA might give you an idea of how your son performed on their admission test.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do you mean by allowing pre-k/k issues to go undetected? do you mean the teachers don't let the parents know if there are issues?

Teachers or the counselor, no.

In the 3 boys cases our year, their issues were discussed end of 2nd grade/beginning of 3rd grade when it was too late.

Beauvoir has ALWAYS had extremely thorough & detailed narrative teacher evaluations. Not simply fill in the blank/check the boxes forms. I would be very surprised if these issues were not discussed in the earlier years... maybe not in the language of the student being a candidate for STA/NCS, but I find it hard to believe these issues just miraculously appeared out-of-the-blue at the end of the 2nd grade. The school probably only formally began to discuss the student's candidacy until late 2nd grade.

As a parent, no matter if your child is 2 of 7, if hear from child's teacher he or she is lagging or having trouble with socially, I would hope you would follow-up with the teacher and/or school as to how to resolve the issue and possibly with your pediatrician, and if these issue continues what this means in the long term.

Yes, I agree Beauvoir has detailed teacher evals. One of the boys rejected from STA went on to another school where he was required to repeat 3rd grade. If he was so academically deficient, can't understand why he slipped through the cracks at Beauvoir. There is an excellent resource team in place there. Can't understand why this one particular boy was promoted to the next grade if he wasn't academically ready.

If a child is having continued behavioral issues that do not prove developmental the school should require that the parents take the child in for therapy. Serious discussion of these boys behavior did not become an issue until end of 2nd grade/beg of 3rd grade when it was mentioned in greater detail on their narratives or discussed in parent-teacher conferences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do you mean by allowing pre-k/k issues to go undetected? do you mean the teachers don't let the parents know if there are issues?

Teachers or the counselor, no.

In the 3 boys cases our year, their issues were discussed end of 2nd grade/beginning of 3rd grade when it was too late.

Beauvoir has ALWAYS had extremely thorough & detailed narrative teacher evaluations. Not simply fill in the blank/check the boxes forms. I would be very surprised if these issues were not discussed in the earlier years... maybe not in the language of the student being a candidate for STA/NCS, but I find it hard to believe these issues just miraculously appeared out-of-the-blue at the end of the 2nd grade. The school probably only formally began to discuss the student's candidacy until late 2nd grade.

As a parent, no matter if your child is 2 of 7, if hear from child's teacher he or she is lagging or having trouble with socially, I would hope you would follow-up with the teacher and/or school as to how to resolve the issue and possibly with your pediatrician, and if these issue continues what this means in the long term.

Yes, I agree Beauvoir has detailed teacher evals. One of the boys rejected from STA went on to another school where he was required to repeat 3rd grade. If he was so academically deficient, can't understand why he slipped through the cracks at Beauvoir. There is an excellent resource team in place there. Can't understand why this one particular boy was promoted to the next grade if he wasn't academically ready.

If a child is having continued behavioral issues that do not prove developmental the school should require that the parents take the child in for therapy. Serious discussion of these boys behavior did not become an issue until end of 2nd grade/beg of 3rd grade when it was mentioned in greater detail on their narratives or discussed in parent-teacher conferences.

Because when a school works so hard to project an exterior image of absolute perfection, it is very hard and a bit unseemly to have to deal with issues/ children/ people who are not regarded as such.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not a previous poster either, but I have heard from current parents that STA is quite different than Beauvoir and it's not always an easy transition.

STA is the anti-Beauvoir. That's the ultimate irony. STA does not coddle. It is not racially or economically diverse. It places value on winning above all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not a previous poster either, but I have heard from current parents that STA is quite different than Beauvoir and it's not always an easy transition.

STA is the anti-Beauvoir. That's the ultimate irony. STA does not coddle. It is not racially or economically diverse. It places value on winning above all.

It's hard to respond to the purely subjective parts of your comment ("does not coddle" and "winning above all"), but you seem to be off-base on the objective parts. Stats from the STA website (http://www.stalbansschool.org/home/content.asp?id=2831) certainly suggest the school is racially and economically diverse ...

Students of Color: 27%
Students Receiving Financial Aid: 25%
Average Financial Aid Award: Over $18,000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not a previous poster either, but I have heard from current parents that STA is quite different than Beauvoir and it's not always an easy transition.

STA is the anti-Beauvoir. That's the ultimate irony. STA does not coddle. It is not racially or economically diverse. It places value on winning above all.

Here we go again with the anti-Beauvoir anti-STA comments probably from someone that was rejected from either one or both! Please stop stirring up trouble about these schools and be happy where your child is or is going!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not a previous poster either, but I have heard from current parents that STA is quite different than Beauvoir and it's not always an easy transition.

STA is the anti-Beauvoir. That's the ultimate irony. STA does not coddle. It is not racially or economically diverse. It places value on winning above all.

Here we go again with the anti-Beauvoir anti-STA comments probably from someone that was rejected from either one or both! Please stop stirring up trouble about these schools and be happy where your child is or is going!

My bet: this is the same poster who just posted in getting into sta who wants to know if anyone rejected sta this year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not a previous poster either, but I have heard from current parents that STA is quite different than Beauvoir and it's not always an easy transition.

STA is the anti-Beauvoir. That's the ultimate irony. STA does not coddle. It is not racially or economically diverse. It places value on winning above all.

It's hard to respond to the purely subjective parts of your comment ("does not coddle" and "winning above all"), but you seem to be off-base on the objective parts. Stats from the STA website (http://www.stalbansschool.org/home/content.asp?id=2831) certainly suggest the school is racially and economically diverse ...

Students of Color: 27%
Students Receiving Financial Aid: 25%
Average Financial Aid Award: Over $18,000

Only applies to upper school. Aimed at recruiting athletes. They care not one whit about diversity or financial aid in the lower school. As non-diverse as it was 40 years ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not a previous poster either, but I have heard from current parents that STA is quite different than Beauvoir and it's not always an easy transition.

STA is the anti-Beauvoir. That's the ultimate irony. STA does not coddle. It is not racially or economically diverse. It places value on winning above all.

It's hard to respond to the purely subjective parts of your comment ("does not coddle" and "winning above all"), but you seem to be off-base on the objective parts. Stats from the STA website (http://www.stalbansschool.org/home/content.asp?id=2831) certainly suggest the school is racially and economically diverse ...

Students of Color: 27%
Students Receiving Financial Aid: 25%
Average Financial Aid Award: Over $18,000

Only applies to upper school. Aimed at recruiting athletes. They care not one whit about diversity or financial aid in the lower school. As non-diverse as it was 40 years ago.

We attended the St. Albans new parent function. There does seem to be a fair amount - not a huge amount - but a noticeable amount of diversity for the incoming lower school boys. We come from a lily white private school. So it was nice to see boys with various colors and hues, with parents from many different backgrounds, cultures, job experiences, etc. I have no doubt my DS will be better because of it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'll answer. It goes through 3rd and you have to apply to NCS and STA.

You "apply," but most are presumptively fed from Beauvoir onto NCS/STA.

What were numbers like for 2009?

70 percent from Beauvoir to STA.

50 percent from B to NCS.