DC's School Report Cards are up. Any surprises?

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Anonymous wrote:SH and a lot of the other DCPS middle schools offer a lot of sports and extracurriculars. The really high-achieving kids are likely to be very busy with some combination of activities like the musical, debate, mock trial, and sports teams, etc. That does not always leave a ton of time for tutoring unless you absolutely need it.

SH offerings are mediocre.

What do you mean? On the academic front, obviously, since there aren't true above-grade-level classes at SH outside math in DCPS. You're arguing that the musicals, debate, mock trial, sports teams are mediocre relative to other DCPS middle schools, or privates, or the burbs or what?

Math at SH is not above grade level. The higher track is grade level.

Why does some troll keep repeating this over and over? It's not even responsive to the post before this.

Not the “troll” you’re referring to but the PP just below this post. SH is my neighborhood school. I really wanted yo like it. It might end up being where my kids go due to lottery luck.

You asked why people keep saying that math at the high grade track is grade level and the other math is below grade level? They’re saying that because it’s true. Only 4% of kids are doing above grade level at SH. I looked up the cape. I also talked to parents and teachers and former parents. It’s objectively not great. I have hopes it can be better. But lying about its performance helps no one except you feel better about your choices.

DP here. It depends how you define "grade level". Did you look at the middle school advanced math CAPE spreadsheet? If someone gets a 4 in Algebra 1, rather than a 5 in 8th grade math, are they above grade level? What about a 7th grader who's taking 8th grade math? Think about it and let us know.

I did think about it. Sorry not you can try to invent whatever facts make you feel good but the truth is that 70% of kids at Stuart are below grade level. 70%. And sure there might be some at Mathnesium doing grade level work. But 7th grader taking algebra 1 isn’t advanced. Sorry. It’s grade level.

Now you're just moving the goal posts and placing them wherever you want. Who put you in charge of defining "grade level"?

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Anonymous wrote:SH and a lot of the other DCPS middle schools offer a lot of sports and extracurriculars. The really high-achieving kids are likely to be very busy with some combination of activities like the musical, debate, mock trial, and sports teams, etc. That does not always leave a ton of time for tutoring unless you absolutely need it.

SH offerings are mediocre.

What do you mean? On the academic front, obviously, since there aren't true above-grade-level classes at SH outside math in DCPS. You're arguing that the musicals, debate, mock trial, sports teams are mediocre relative to other DCPS middle schools, or privates, or the burbs or what?

Math at SH is not above grade level. The higher track is grade level.

Why does some troll keep repeating this over and over? It's not even responsive to the post before this.

Not the “troll” you’re referring to but the PP just below this post. SH is my neighborhood school. I really wanted yo like it. It might end up being where my kids go due to lottery luck.

You asked why people keep saying that math at the high grade track is grade level and the other math is below grade level? They’re saying that because it’s true. Only 4% of kids are doing above grade level at SH. I looked up the cape. I also talked to parents and teachers and former parents. It’s objectively not great. I have hopes it can be better. But lying about its performance helps no one except you feel better about your choices.

DP here. It depends how you define "grade level". Did you look at the middle school advanced math CAPE spreadsheet? If someone gets a 4 in Algebra 1, rather than a 5 in 8th grade math, are they above grade level? What about a 7th grader who's taking 8th grade math? Think about it and let us know.

I did think about it. Sorry not you can try to invent whatever facts make you feel good but the truth is that 70% of kids at Stuart are below grade level. 70%. And sure there might be some at Mathnesium doing grade level work. But 7th grader taking algebra 1 isn’t advanced. Sorry. It’s grade level.

Now you're just moving the goal posts and placing them wherever you want. Who put you in charge of defining "grade level"?

Is that your only response? Sad. Listen I’ll move rather than send my kid to Stuart and i love it here. But I prioritize my kid over an easy commute/cute neighborhood.

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Anonymous wrote:SH and a lot of the other DCPS middle schools offer a lot of sports and extracurriculars. The really high-achieving kids are likely to be very busy with some combination of activities like the musical, debate, mock trial, and sports teams, etc. That does not always leave a ton of time for tutoring unless you absolutely need it.

SH offerings are mediocre.

What do you mean? On the academic front, obviously, since there aren't true above-grade-level classes at SH outside math in DCPS. You're arguing that the musicals, debate, mock trial, sports teams are mediocre relative to other DCPS middle schools, or privates, or the burbs or what?

Math at SH is not above grade level. The higher track is grade level.

Why does some troll keep repeating this over and over? It's not even responsive to the post before this.

Not the “troll” you’re referring to but the PP just below this post. SH is my neighborhood school. I really wanted yo like it. It might end up being where my kids go due to lottery luck.

You asked why people keep saying that math at the high grade track is grade level and the other math is below grade level? They’re saying that because it’s true. Only 4% of kids are doing above grade level at SH. I looked up the cape. I also talked to parents and teachers and former parents. It’s objectively not great. I have hopes it can be better. But lying about its performance helps no one except you feel better about your choices.

DP here. It depends how you define "grade level". Did you look at the middle school advanced math CAPE spreadsheet? If someone gets a 4 in Algebra 1, rather than a 5 in 8th grade math, are they above grade level? What about a 7th grader who's taking 8th grade math? Think about it and let us know.

I did think about it. Sorry not you can try to invent whatever facts make you feel good but the truth is that 70% of kids at Stuart are below grade level. 70%. And sure there might be some at Mathnesium doing grade level work. But 7th grader taking algebra 1 isn’t advanced. Sorry. It’s grade level.

Now you're just moving the goal posts and placing them wherever you want. Who put you in charge of defining "grade level"?

Is that your only response? Sad. Listen I’ll move rather than send my kid to Stuart and i love it here. But I prioritize my kid over an easy commute/cute neighborhood.

Yes, it is. How can anyone have an intelligent conversation when you won't even define terms? Personally I think that the data suppression rules make it hard to know how many kids at SH are above grade level in math. But at least I'm not making up whatever serves my purposes like you are.

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Anonymous wrote:SH and a lot of the other DCPS middle schools offer a lot of sports and extracurriculars. The really high-achieving kids are likely to be very busy with some combination of activities like the musical, debate, mock trial, and sports teams, etc. That does not always leave a ton of time for tutoring unless you absolutely need it.

SH offerings are mediocre.

What do you mean? On the academic front, obviously, since there aren't true above-grade-level classes at SH outside math in DCPS. You're arguing that the musicals, debate, mock trial, sports teams are mediocre relative to other DCPS middle schools, or privates, or the burbs or what?

Math at SH is not above grade level. The higher track is grade level.

Why does some troll keep repeating this over and over? It's not even responsive to the post before this.

Not the “troll” you’re referring to but the PP just below this post. SH is my neighborhood school. I really wanted yo like it. It might end up being where my kids go due to lottery luck.

You asked why people keep saying that math at the high grade track is grade level and the other math is below grade level? They’re saying that because it’s true. Only 4% of kids are doing above grade level at SH. I looked up the cape. I also talked to parents and teachers and former parents. It’s objectively not great. I have hopes it can be better. But lying about its performance helps no one except you feel better about your choices.

DP here. It depends how you define "grade level". Did you look at the middle school advanced math CAPE spreadsheet? If someone gets a 4 in Algebra 1, rather than a 5 in 8th grade math, are they above grade level? What about a 7th grader who's taking 8th grade math? Think about it and let us know.

I did think about it. Sorry not you can try to invent whatever facts make you feel good but the truth is that 70% of kids at Stuart are below grade level. 70%. And sure there might be some at Mathnesium doing grade level work. But 7th grader taking algebra 1 isn’t advanced. Sorry. It’s grade level.

Now you're just moving the goal posts and placing them wherever you want. Who put you in charge of defining "grade level"?

Is that your only response? Sad. Listen I’ll move rather than send my kid to Stuart and i love it here. But I prioritize my kid over an easy commute/cute neighborhood.

Yes, it is. How can anyone have an intelligent conversation when you won't even define terms? Personally I think that the data suppression rules make it hard to know how many kids at SH are above grade level in math. But at least I'm not making up whatever serves my purposes like you are.

Look at Stuart’s test scores. 70% below grade level. Only 4% are above grade level. Will there be an occasional lottery loser who has supplemented their way to slightly above grade level performance? Sure. But that’s the facts. You can imagine that some 7th grader is taking an 8th grade test and that’s why they look like they’re above or below grade level. But no. The facts are clear. 70% of kids at SH are being let down because it’s a poor performing school.

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Anonymous wrote:SH and a lot of the other DCPS middle schools offer a lot of sports and extracurriculars. The really high-achieving kids are likely to be very busy with some combination of activities like the musical, debate, mock trial, and sports teams, etc. That does not always leave a ton of time for tutoring unless you absolutely need it.

SH offerings are mediocre.

What do you mean? On the academic front, obviously, since there aren't true above-grade-level classes at SH outside math in DCPS. You're arguing that the musicals, debate, mock trial, sports teams are mediocre relative to other DCPS middle schools, or privates, or the burbs or what?

Math at SH is not above grade level. The higher track is grade level.

Why does some troll keep repeating this over and over? It's not even responsive to the post before this.

Not the “troll” you’re referring to but the PP just below this post. SH is my neighborhood school. I really wanted yo like it. It might end up being where my kids go due to lottery luck.

You asked why people keep saying that math at the high grade track is grade level and the other math is below grade level? They’re saying that because it’s true. Only 4% of kids are doing above grade level at SH. I looked up the cape. I also talked to parents and teachers and former parents. It’s objectively not great. I have hopes it can be better. But lying about its performance helps no one except you feel better about your choices.

DP here. It depends how you define "grade level". Did you look at the middle school advanced math CAPE spreadsheet? If someone gets a 4 in Algebra 1, rather than a 5 in 8th grade math, are they above grade level? What about a 7th grader who's taking 8th grade math? Think about it and let us know.

I did think about it. Sorry not you can try to invent whatever facts make you feel good but the truth is that 70% of kids at Stuart are below grade level. 70%. And sure there might be some at Mathnesium doing grade level work. But 7th grader taking algebra 1 isn’t advanced. Sorry. It’s grade level.

Now you're just moving the goal posts and placing them wherever you want. Who put you in charge of defining "grade level"?

Is that your only response? Sad. Listen I’ll move rather than send my kid to Stuart and i love it here. But I prioritize my kid over an easy commute/cute neighborhood.

Yes, it is. How can anyone have an intelligent conversation when you won't even define terms? Personally I think that the data suppression rules make it hard to know how many kids at SH are above grade level in math. But at least I'm not making up whatever serves my purposes like you are.

Look at Stuart’s test scores. 70% below grade level. Only 4% are above grade level. Will there be an occasional lottery loser who has supplemented their way to slightly above grade level performance? Sure. But that’s the facts. You can imagine that some 7th grader is taking an 8th grade test and that’s why they look like they’re above or below grade level. But no. The facts are clear. 70% of kids at SH are being let down because it’s a poor performing school.

Wait, so are we back to defining grade level as a 1, 2, or 3 on whatever CAPE the kid takes? Because that's not what you said before. You said Algebra 1 in 7th grade is grade level. How is it 70% with that definition-- how would you even calculate it?

I'm really perplexed why you think all kids are SH are taking their grade-level-named math class. It's not true.

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Anonymous wrote:SH and a lot of the other DCPS middle schools offer a lot of sports and extracurriculars. The really high-achieving kids are likely to be very busy with some combination of activities like the musical, debate, mock trial, and sports teams, etc. That does not always leave a ton of time for tutoring unless you absolutely need it.

SH offerings are mediocre.

What do you mean? On the academic front, obviously, since there aren't true above-grade-level classes at SH outside math in DCPS. You're arguing that the musicals, debate, mock trial, sports teams are mediocre relative to other DCPS middle schools, or privates, or the burbs or what?

Math at SH is not above grade level. The higher track is grade level.

Why does some troll keep repeating this over and over? It's not even responsive to the post before this.

Not the “troll” you’re referring to but the PP just below this post. SH is my neighborhood school. I really wanted yo like it. It might end up being where my kids go due to lottery luck.

You asked why people keep saying that math at the high grade track is grade level and the other math is below grade level? They’re saying that because it’s true. Only 4% of kids are doing above grade level at SH. I looked up the cape. I also talked to parents and teachers and former parents. It’s objectively not great. I have hopes it can be better. But lying about its performance helps no one except you feel better about your choices.

DP here. It depends how you define "grade level". Did you look at the middle school advanced math CAPE spreadsheet? If someone gets a 4 in Algebra 1, rather than a 5 in 8th grade math, are they above grade level? What about a 7th grader who's taking 8th grade math? Think about it and let us know.

I did think about it. Sorry not you can try to invent whatever facts make you feel good but the truth is that 70% of kids at Stuart are below grade level. 70%. And sure there might be some at Mathnesium doing grade level work. But 7th grader taking algebra 1 isn’t advanced. Sorry. It’s grade level.

Now you're just moving the goal posts and placing them wherever you want. Who put you in charge of defining "grade level"?

Is that your only response? Sad. Listen I’ll move rather than send my kid to Stuart and i love it here. But I prioritize my kid over an easy commute/cute neighborhood.

Yes, it is. How can anyone have an intelligent conversation when you won't even define terms? Personally I think that the data suppression rules make it hard to know how many kids at SH are above grade level in math. But at least I'm not making up whatever serves my purposes like you are.

Look at Stuart’s test scores. 70% below grade level. Only 4% are above grade level. Will there be an occasional lottery loser who has supplemented their way to slightly above grade level performance? Sure. But that’s the facts. You can imagine that some 7th grader is taking an 8th grade test and that’s why they look like they’re above or below grade level. But no. The facts are clear. 70% of kids at SH are being let down because it’s a poor performing school.

Wait, so are we back to defining grade level as a 1, 2, or 3 on whatever CAPE the kid takes? Because that's not what you said before. You said Algebra 1 in 7th grade is grade level. How is it 70% with that definition-- how would you even calculate it?

I'm really perplexed why you think all kids are SH are taking their grade-level-named math class. It's not true.

Omg you’re exhausting. Take the energy into making sure you kids are getting a good education.

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I personally want more for my kids.

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You can send your kids to SH. But you have to accept that for some families, it's not an option because it's not good enough. This is simply a fact.

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Anonymous wrote:You can send your kids to SH. But you have to accept that for some families, it's not an option because it's not good enough. This is simply a fact.

It’s just not good enough. And it’s not good enough for all kids. 70% of kids should not be below grade level.

Algebra 1 in 7th grade is not really advanced as compared to most schools. Geometry in 7th grade is advanced. Not moving goal posts just stating facts.

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Anonymous wrote:You can send your kids to SH. But you have to accept that for some families, it's not an option because it's not good enough. This is simply a fact.

It’s just not good enough. And it’s not good enough for all kids. 70% of kids should not be below grade level.

Algebra 1 in 7th grade is not really advanced as compared to most schools. Geometry in 7th grade is advanced. Not moving goal posts just stating facts.

It's just hard to have much of a discussion if you're not going to use terms consistently. Nobody is saying the school is doing well. But you seem to be drawing some sort of arbitrary line as to what constitutes "advanced" and I'm not sure what your rationale is.

I tried to actually figure this out by combining multiple CAPE spreadsheets but I just don't think it's doable. I can see how many kids took the Algebra I CAPE and how they did, but I can't tell how many 6th and 7th graders took 7th or 8th grade math CAPE. I will say that if the 56 kids who took Algebra I, 69.6% scored a 4 or a 5. If you count the 3s, 87.5%. So that's 39 kids total passing Algebra I with a 4 or a 5. I know some of them are 7th graders because I'm friends with their parents. Then there were 5 6th graders who got a 5 on a math CAPE, but we can't tell which test it was. So, 44 students is the minimum I am certain are above grade level in math, either by getting a 5 on something in 6th or getting a 4 or a 5 on Algebra 1. Now, there were 459 total math CAPE takers at Stuart-Hobson. So 44/459 is 9.6%. is this good enough? No. But it's far better than PP's lazy allegation.

Sorry for belaboring this, everyone else, I just think it's so important to understand and discuss this clearly and accurately.

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You’re talking to multiple posters

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You’re fighting for your life over 2%? Okay even assuming your completely made up facts (I know what CAPE my friends children took said NO ONE EVER), it still shows 70% of children are below grade level. 70%. I don’t “count the threes” because that is not grade level.

This sounds like a teacher or administrator which is so super sad.

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Anonymous wrote:You’re talking to multiple posters

Could be, hard to know

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Anonymous wrote:You’re fighting for your life over 2%? Okay even assuming your completely made up facts (I know what CAPE my friends children took said NO ONE EVER), it still shows 70% of children are below grade level. 70%. I don’t “count the threes” because that is not grade level.

This sounds like a teacher or administrator which is so super sad.

Go to any math enrichment class and ask around for Stuart Hobson parents. You’ll likely not find any but if you do you’ll get a lot of information. There are better schools out there. Either lottery, move, or pay for enrichment. You’ll need it.

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Anonymous wrote:You’re fighting for your life over 2%? Okay even assuming your completely made up facts (I know what CAPE my friends children took said NO ONE EVER), it still shows 70% of children are below grade level. 70%. I don’t “count the threes” because that is not grade level.

This sounds like a teacher or administrator which is so super sad.

I definitely do know what CAPE they took, because they told me. Why would that be weird?

I don't count the threes either. Although it's a fair question if, say, a 7th grader gets a 3 in Algebra I should that be considered above grade level?

I just think it's a little more complicated than an overall 70%. I do think it's very important to do an informed analysis, and 2 percent matters to me because over time these small changes add up.