Can someone give me the number to call to report boundary fraud?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have not established that everyone breaks the law.

Yes we have. PP admitted upthread that everyone has driven a little above the speed limit.

I agree that some transgressions are worse than others. But you have to understand that different transgressions are going to have higher or lower percentages of people who are outraged about them. Some obvious ones are universal. Others are not. And a bunch are in the middle.

… and what we are saying is that boundary fraud is a big one that will in fact trigger outrage.

[Anonymous]

And I don't disagree that this should have more people upset than speeding or jaywalking. But you seem to be up in arms that not everyone is outraged.

Traffic offenses are at one end of the spectrum (almost no one is outraged), murder/abuse is at the other end (universal outrage). What's being discussed here, IMO, is somewhere in the middle, but you would have us think that it should be close to deserving universal outrage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And I don't disagree that this should have more people upset than speeding or jaywalking. But you seem to be up in arms that not everyone is outraged.

Traffic offenses are at one end of the spectrum (almost no one is outraged), murder/abuse is at the other end (universal outrage). What's being discussed here, IMO, is somewhere in the middle, but you would have us think that it should be close to deserving universal outrage.

First of all, you are talking to multiple posters who think your moral relativism here is ridiculous.

Second, not one person has compared boundary fraud to murder or abuse.

Actually, I think it was you who came up with the best analogy for it, though I think incidentally. Boundary fraud is a lot like cheating on your taxes. Most people do NOT do it, and the people who do think they are getting away with a "victimless crime" but actually their behavior is highly anti-social and undermines the fundamental fairness of the entire system.

But since apparently you are also a tax cheat, I guess you don't see the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And I don't disagree that this should have more people upset than speeding or jaywalking. But you seem to be up in arms that not everyone is outraged.

Traffic offenses are at one end of the spectrum (almost no one is outraged), murder/abuse is at the other end (universal outrage). What's being discussed here, IMO, is somewhere in the middle, but you would have us think that it should be close to deserving universal outrage.

First of all, you are talking to multiple posters who think your moral relativism here is ridiculous.

Second, not one person has compared boundary fraud to murder or abuse.

Actually, I think it was you who came up with the best analogy for it, though I think incidentally. Boundary fraud is a lot like cheating on your taxes. Most people do NOT do it, and the people who do think they are getting away with a "victimless crime" but actually their behavior is highly anti-social and undermines the fundamental fairness of the entire system.

But since apparently you are also a tax cheat, I guess you don't see the problem.

Yes, this.

PP wants to pretend like she cheats but is still more or less a good citizen. But really she's just greedy.

[Anonymous]

So inflating the value of one's charitable donations to get an extra $10 in deductions and tax evasion to avoid paying millions are both "cheating on taxes" that warrant the same outrage? Just making sure that you aren't engaging in moral relativism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So inflating the value of one's charitable donations to get an extra $10 in deductions and tax evasion to avoid paying millions are both "cheating on taxes" that warrant the same outrage? Just making sure that you aren't engaging in moral relativism.

Why do either? Don't lie about donations to save a few bucks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So inflating the value of one's charitable donations to get an extra $10 in deductions and tax evasion to avoid paying millions are both "cheating on taxes" that warrant the same outrage? Just making sure that you aren't engaging in moral relativism.

Why do either? Don't lie about donations to save a few bucks.

Also, take an ethics class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the JR feeders are now just Deal and its elementary school feeders. few oob spots. it will probably in a pretty short time become much more unusual to go to JR but not live in the boundary.

I don't think it will become more unusual. Hill parents of strong MS students tend to be unhappy with how admissions to Walls has essentially become a lottery for B+/A students. Pre-pandemic, if your 8th grader could stand out in applying with high DC-PARRC or PSAT 8/9 and the Walls admission tests (English and math) scores, on top of a high GPA, they'd get in. No longer.

The new reality is that admissions to Walls is a real crap shoot, even for those doing decidedly advanced middle school work (mainly at BASIS and in privates). From what I'm hearing, the result is that boundary cheating EotP to access J-R is becoming more a little more prevalent. Arguably, DCPS and the Mayor (mainly the latter) have brought the problem on themselves: the Walls admission systems was more of an academic meritocracy just four years ago, before Bowser single-handedly nixed the two admissions tests.

I am conflicted on this. While I am in favor of acceptance on the merits, I would be pissed as a taxpayer to fund a school where due to my lack of decent elementary and middle schools, that my kid would be effectively shut out of admission.

It’s hard to know the answer…increase property tax rates in Wards that can best take advantage of a school like this…curve admissions test scoring to reflect the neighborhood of the kid applying (SAT tried to do this and made an announcement but ended up abandoning the approach…can’t remember why)? Maybe agree that 75% of the slots go to highest test score and then 25% go to under represented Wards and offered to top 3% (with any kids that don’t take the offer filled with highest test score kids)?

No, the answer is not using screwy plans for HS admissions that undermine the whole point of having very highly prepared, highly motivated kids in a high school that serves them well.

The answer is to solve the rigor problem earlier. Use tracking or magnet schools in ES, or latest MS, especially in schools where most kids are below grade level.

Fix the under-teaching gap early rather than guessing what kids 'should have been' competitive for Walls, which serves no one well.

So, your answer is the equivalent of "solve the Middle East conflict"...something that will take decades to do and has a 1% chance of succeeding.

In the meantime, your taxes will fund Ward 3 families with tons of resources so they can take 90% of the slots at Walls.

If that's your attitude then DCPS will never have Walls return to an entrance test...so not sure the point. You do realize the ship has sailed on the entrance exam, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So inflating the value of one's charitable donations to get an extra $10 in deductions and tax evasion to avoid paying millions are both "cheating on taxes" that warrant the same outrage? Just making sure that you aren't engaging in moral relativism.

Why do either? Don't lie about donations to save a few bucks.

Way to dodge the question. Though I have a good idea why you did.

Most of us are not going to have the same level of outrage when a Ward 7/8 family takes advantage of a situation to have their kid attend JR vs. well-off EOTP Ivy League grads who lost out in a lottery. I'm not heartless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So inflating the value of one's charitable donations to get an extra $10 in deductions and tax evasion to avoid paying millions are both "cheating on taxes" that warrant the same outrage? Just making sure that you aren't engaging in moral relativism.

Why do either? Don't lie about donations to save a few bucks.

Way to dodge the question. Though I have a good idea why you did.

Most of us are not going to have the same level of outrage when a Ward 7/8 family takes advantage of a situation to have their kid attend JR vs. well-off EOTP Ivy League grads who lost out in a lottery. I'm not heartless.

They should be treated the same. The whole point of the lottery is to provide more options to students in parts of town that are not well served by local schools. I might understand better why someone in Ward 8 would want to break the rules to get their kid into JR, as opposed to a Capital Hill family with more resources and options, but I actually think both families should follow the rules. Especially since the rules were actually explicitly designed to try and help families with weak IB schools -- the lottery exists to give these families options. If instead everyone bypasses the lottery and lies about their housing to get into one or two schools, what is the point of the lottery in the first place?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, I hope someone is watching YOU too, you old busybody.

+1 - A lot of energy wasted on something that doesn’t really affect you and your family. Get a hobby! Best case, this makes you feel slightly superior for 2 minutes. Then you think of how many others there probably are doing the same thing! LOL. But yay - you got one!

If the residency cheat, for example, resides in PG and not DC then it affects all of us. It denies a deserving DC student a space obtained fraudulently by an out of state family and is a theft of services borne by DC taxpayers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the JR feeders are now just Deal and its elementary school feeders. few oob spots. it will probably in a pretty short time become much more unusual to go to JR but not live in the boundary.

I don't think it will become more unusual. Hill parents of strong MS students tend to be unhappy with how admissions to Walls has essentially become a lottery for B+/A students. Pre-pandemic, if your 8th grader could stand out in applying with high DC-PARRC or PSAT 8/9 and the Walls admission tests (English and math) scores, on top of a high GPA, they'd get in. No longer.

The new reality is that admissions to Walls is a real crap shoot, even for those doing decidedly advanced middle school work (mainly at BASIS and in privates). From what I'm hearing, the result is that boundary cheating EotP to access J-R is becoming more a little more prevalent. Arguably, DCPS and the Mayor (mainly the latter) have brought the problem on themselves: the Walls admission systems was more of an academic meritocracy just four years ago, before Bowser single-handedly nixed the two admissions tests.

I am conflicted on this. While I am in favor of acceptance on the merits, I would be pissed as a taxpayer to fund a school where due to my lack of decent elementary and middle schools, that my kid would be effectively shut out of admission.

It’s hard to know the answer…increase property tax rates in Wards that can best take advantage of a school like this…curve admissions test scoring to reflect the neighborhood of the kid applying (SAT tried to do this and made an announcement but ended up abandoning the approach…can’t remember why)? Maybe agree that 75% of the slots go to highest test score and then 25% go to under represented Wards and offered to top 3% (with any kids that don’t take the offer filled with highest test score kids)?

No, the answer is not using screwy plans for HS admissions that undermine the whole point of having very highly prepared, highly motivated kids in a high school that serves them well.

The answer is to solve the rigor problem earlier. Use tracking or magnet schools in ES, or latest MS, especially in schools where most kids are below grade level.

Fix the under-teaching gap early rather than guessing what kids 'should have been' competitive for Walls, which serves no one well.

So, your answer is the equivalent of "solve the Middle East conflict"...something that will take decades to do and has a 1% chance of succeeding.

In the meantime, your taxes will fund Ward 3 families with tons of resources so they can take 90% of the slots at Walls.

If that's your attitude then DCPS will never have Walls return to an entrance test...so not sure the point. You do realize the ship has sailed on the entrance exam, right?

What is the point of putting under-prepared kids in Walls?! I mean, equity, but not success. It's just a drain on everyone.

To serve kids well, don't let them get underserved early on! Make sure that the kids with potential to learn get to learn.

There is no catching up at high school level. There are no short-cuts. It's like Ballou making sure everyone gets a college-acceptance. It's window-dressing without the substance.

The point where things go off the rails early on for potentially capable students in schools filled with struggling students -- that's the point at which the problem needs to be solved.

That's what the students deserve, and is the only strategy that is effective.

[Anonymous]

Boundary fraud is a problem that makes the whole system worse for everyone. Why not report?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the JR feeders are now just Deal and its elementary school feeders. few oob spots. it will probably in a pretty short time become much more unusual to go to JR but not live in the boundary.

I don't think it will become more unusual. Hill parents of strong MS students tend to be unhappy with how admissions to Walls has essentially become a lottery for B+/A students. Pre-pandemic, if your 8th grader could stand out in applying with high DC-PARRC or PSAT 8/9 and the Walls admission tests (English and math) scores, on top of a high GPA, they'd get in. No longer.

The new reality is that admissions to Walls is a real crap shoot, even for those doing decidedly advanced middle school work (mainly at BASIS and in privates). From what I'm hearing, the result is that boundary cheating EotP to access J-R is becoming more a little more prevalent. Arguably, DCPS and the Mayor (mainly the latter) have brought the problem on themselves: the Walls admission systems was more of an academic meritocracy just four years ago, before Bowser single-handedly nixed the two admissions tests.

I am conflicted on this. While I am in favor of acceptance on the merits, I would be pissed as a taxpayer to fund a school where due to my lack of decent elementary and middle schools, that my kid would be effectively shut out of admission.

It’s hard to know the answer…increase property tax rates in Wards that can best take advantage of a school like this…curve admissions test scoring to reflect the neighborhood of the kid applying (SAT tried to do this and made an announcement but ended up abandoning the approach…can’t remember why)? Maybe agree that 75% of the slots go to highest test score and then 25% go to under represented Wards and offered to top 3% (with any kids that don’t take the offer filled with highest test score kids)?

No, the answer is not using screwy plans for HS admissions that undermine the whole point of having very highly prepared, highly motivated kids in a high school that serves them well.

The answer is to solve the rigor problem earlier. Use tracking or magnet schools in ES, or latest MS, especially in schools where most kids are below grade level.

Fix the under-teaching gap early rather than guessing what kids 'should have been' competitive for Walls, which serves no one well.

So, your answer is the equivalent of "solve the Middle East conflict"...something that will take decades to do and has a 1% chance of succeeding.

In the meantime, your taxes will fund Ward 3 families with tons of resources so they can take 90% of the slots at Walls.

If that's your attitude then DCPS will never have Walls return to an entrance test...so not sure the point. You do realize the ship has sailed on the entrance exam, right?

What is the point of putting under-prepared kids in Walls?! I mean, equity, but not success. It's just a drain on everyone.

To serve kids well, don't let them get underserved early on! Make sure that the kids with potential to learn get to learn.

There is no catching up at high school level. There are no short-cuts. It's like Ballou making sure everyone gets a college-acceptance. It's window-dressing without the substance.

The point where things go off the rails early on for potentially capable students in schools filled with struggling students -- that's the point at which the problem needs to be solved.

That's what the students deserve, and is the only strategy that is effective.

“Equity” is so 2020. It’s now competitive merit, baby!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the JR feeders are now just Deal and its elementary school feeders. few oob spots. it will probably in a pretty short time become much more unusual to go to JR but not live in the boundary.

I don't think it will become more unusual. Hill parents of strong MS students tend to be unhappy with how admissions to Walls has essentially become a lottery for B+/A students. Pre-pandemic, if your 8th grader could stand out in applying with high DC-PARRC or PSAT 8/9 and the Walls admission tests (English and math) scores, on top of a high GPA, they'd get in. No longer.

The new reality is that admissions to Walls is a real crap shoot, even for those doing decidedly advanced middle school work (mainly at BASIS and in privates). From what I'm hearing, the result is that boundary cheating EotP to access J-R is becoming more a little more prevalent. Arguably, DCPS and the Mayor (mainly the latter) have brought the problem on themselves: the Walls admission systems was more of an academic meritocracy just four years ago, before Bowser single-handedly nixed the two admissions tests.

I am conflicted on this. While I am in favor of acceptance on the merits, I would be pissed as a taxpayer to fund a school where due to my lack of decent elementary and middle schools, that my kid would be effectively shut out of admission.

It’s hard to know the answer…increase property tax rates in Wards that can best take advantage of a school like this…curve admissions test scoring to reflect the neighborhood of the kid applying (SAT tried to do this and made an announcement but ended up abandoning the approach…can’t remember why)? Maybe agree that 75% of the slots go to highest test score and then 25% go to under represented Wards and offered to top 3% (with any kids that don’t take the offer filled with highest test score kids)?

No, the answer is not using screwy plans for HS admissions that undermine the whole point of having very highly prepared, highly motivated kids in a high school that serves them well.

The answer is to solve the rigor problem earlier. Use tracking or magnet schools in ES, or latest MS, especially in schools where most kids are below grade level.

Fix the under-teaching gap early rather than guessing what kids 'should have been' competitive for Walls, which serves no one well.

So, your answer is the equivalent of "solve the Middle East conflict"...something that will take decades to do and has a 1% chance of succeeding.

In the meantime, your taxes will fund Ward 3 families with tons of resources so they can take 90% of the slots at Walls.

If that's your attitude then DCPS will never have Walls return to an entrance test...so not sure the point. You do realize the ship has sailed on the entrance exam, right?

What is the point of putting under-prepared kids in Walls?! I mean, equity, but not success. It's just a drain on everyone.

To serve kids well, don't let them get underserved early on! Make sure that the kids with potential to learn get to learn.

There is no catching up at high school level. There are no short-cuts. It's like Ballou making sure everyone gets a college-acceptance. It's window-dressing without the substance.

The point where things go off the rails early on for potentially capable students in schools filled with struggling students -- that's the point at which the problem needs to be solved.

That's what the students deserve, and is the only strategy that is effective.

“Equity” is so 2020. It’s now competitive merit, baby!

Don't be obtuse. The point is "equity" means providing education throughout. It's not just throwing up your hands at 'bad' schools and pretending like you can solve the missing years through zip code preferences.