UMD yet?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a member of the UMD parents group and there is almost a revolt among those with high scoring SATs with perfect or near perfect GPAs who didn’t get Honors. My kid is one of them.

It’s irritating to read about all the TO kids who got Honors.

I'd feel the same way, not remotely fair.

Why do you want UMD so badly if your stats are that high? You could probably get into a much more competitive school. Is it a cost thing? Because top schools usually have really strong endowments and are MUCH more generous with financial aid.

My kid did get into the Honors College, just empathizing with parents of non-TO kids who didn’t. Wanting UMD is not rocket science. For a donut hole family, elite colleges cost 3x as much!

I think UMD PUNISHED TO kids more. My TO kids friends with same or lower GPAs with high standardized scores got in. Same exact GPA and ECs her best friend my kid but she got 35 ACT and my kid did TO. So my kid did not get in. My daughters friend is super nice, but she did take SAT like 4 times and bombed. Then did ACT several times with Prep and tutoring got a 35.

So in her case scores helped. UMD should have been clearer how they weight Test scores for SAT and ACT. Some kids may have submitted a lower test score and got peanlized or some kids like my kid did TO and did not realize she should have submitted test. Either way my kid wanted in for bragging rights but was not going to go as she wants to go away to school.

But it seems crazy 4.7-4.85 WGPAs from W schools got straight up rejects cause did TO or submitted a test score they should not have.

The TO kid I advise got in + Honors.
Reject w/ 4.7 does not surprise me. Also, how many 4.85 are getting rejected, and what was the actual rigor of those kids?

Many magnet kids with Weighted GPAs around 4.85 were rejected. 12-14 APs, mostly 5's or 4's

What school?

My kids who’s a senior says many from Poolesville were rejected. My kid attends a different high school.

That is correct. Some who are perfect on paper were rejected including a senior who published a book, a Robotics club winner and an Olympiad winner. I told my daughter who got in to not whisper anything as it is an emotional time. Many magnet kids are upset as UMd was their safety and now they are unsure about their chances in the T20 that they applied to.

If these "magnet kids" treated UMD as their "safety," then they deserve the deferrals.

Please explain the logic?

I;m a new poster, but I agree.
1. When a high-stats, kid who CAN afford other options (and prefers other options) applies to UMD, they're probably taking a spot of a talented instate kid who CAN'T afford an OOS or private school.
2. UMD is not easy to get into. Even for a well-qualified instate kid, it's a target at best, not a safety.
3. It is the mission of the school to serve the population of the state. MOST other states have at least two state schools that are comparable in rigor, majors, etc. (Auburn/Alabama, Michgan/Michgan State, FSU/UF), but Maryland only has UMD.

If you are a high-stats kid who can afford OOS or private, don't use UMD as a safety.

I would add to that *if you have no intention of attending under any circumstances*

If it’s a safety, you intend to go to UMD if you don’t get into preferred options. Nothing wrong with that.

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UMD has not been a ‘safety’ for a long time, especially STEM (CS, Engineering, Bio….) and Business. I have magnet kids and we never considered it a safety because anything top 50 is NOT for STEM

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a member of the UMD parents group and there is almost a revolt among those with high scoring SATs with perfect or near perfect GPAs who didn’t get Honors. My kid is one of them.

It’s irritating to read about all the TO kids who got Honors.

I'd feel the same way, not remotely fair.

Why do you want UMD so badly if your stats are that high? You could probably get into a much more competitive school. Is it a cost thing? Because top schools usually have really strong endowments and are MUCH more generous with financial aid.

My kid did get into the Honors College, just empathizing with parents of non-TO kids who didn’t. Wanting UMD is not rocket science. For a donut hole family, elite colleges cost 3x as much!

I think UMD PUNISHED TO kids more. My TO kids friends with same or lower GPAs with high standardized scores got in. Same exact GPA and ECs her best friend my kid but she got 35 ACT and my kid did TO. So my kid did not get in. My daughters friend is super nice, but she did take SAT like 4 times and bombed. Then did ACT several times with Prep and tutoring got a 35.

So in her case scores helped. UMD should have been clearer how they weight Test scores for SAT and ACT. Some kids may have submitted a lower test score and got peanlized or some kids like my kid did TO and did not realize she should have submitted test. Either way my kid wanted in for bragging rights but was not going to go as she wants to go away to school.

But it seems crazy 4.7-4.85 WGPAs from W schools got straight up rejects cause did TO or submitted a test score they should not have.

The TO kid I advise got in + Honors.
Reject w/ 4.7 does not surprise me. Also, how many 4.85 are getting rejected, and what was the actual rigor of those kids?

Many magnet kids with Weighted GPAs around 4.85 were rejected. 12-14 APs, mostly 5's or 4's

What school?

My kids who’s a senior says many from Poolesville were rejected. My kid attends a different high school.

That is correct. Some who are perfect on paper were rejected including a senior who published a book, a Robotics club winner and an Olympiad winner. I told my daughter who got in to not whisper anything as it is an emotional time. Many magnet kids are upset as UMd was their safety and now they are unsure about their chances in the T20 that they applied to.

If these "magnet kids" treated UMD as their "safety," then they deserve the deferrals.

Please explain the logic?

I;m a new poster, but I agree.
1. When a high-stats, kid who CAN afford other options (and prefers other options) applies to UMD, they're probably taking a spot of a talented instate kid who CAN'T afford an OOS or private school.
2. UMD is not easy to get into. Even for a well-qualified instate kid, it's a target at best, not a safety.
3. It is the mission of the school to serve the population of the state. MOST other states have at least two state schools that are comparable in rigor, majors, etc. (Auburn/Alabama, Michgan/Michgan State, FSU/UF), but Maryland only has UMD.

If you are a high-stats kid who can afford OOS or private, don't use UMD as a safety.

I would add to that *if you have no intention of attending under any circumstances*

If it’s a safety, you intend to go to UMD if you don’t get into preferred options. Nothing wrong with that.

Exactly. We anticipated our very high-stats magnet kid would have good options but have also heard nightmare stories about similar STEM-focused kids being rejected nearly everywhere in previous cycles. And like many others, we aren't feeling great about job security these days. We weren't intentionally "taking a spot from someone else" but felt we needed to have the option in case one of those two scenarios came to pass. Considered UMD an excellent option if it came to it! I seriously doubt there were applicants "who had no intention of attending under any circumstances." It's just that there's a spectrum of likelihood. I assume there were deferrals who will get any declined spots depending on yield. So no one is actually stealing another student's spot, since presumably the kids who were next in line will get in.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a member of the UMD parents group and there is almost a revolt among those with high scoring SATs with perfect or near perfect GPAs who didn’t get Honors. My kid is one of them.

It’s irritating to read about all the TO kids who got Honors.

I'd feel the same way, not remotely fair.

Why do you want UMD so badly if your stats are that high? You could probably get into a much more competitive school. Is it a cost thing? Because top schools usually have really strong endowments and are MUCH more generous with financial aid.

My kid did get into the Honors College, just empathizing with parents of non-TO kids who didn’t. Wanting UMD is not rocket science. For a donut hole family, elite colleges cost 3x as much!

I think UMD PUNISHED TO kids more. My TO kids friends with same or lower GPAs with high standardized scores got in. Same exact GPA and ECs her best friend my kid but she got 35 ACT and my kid did TO. So my kid did not get in. My daughters friend is super nice, but she did take SAT like 4 times and bombed. Then did ACT several times with Prep and tutoring got a 35.

So in her case scores helped. UMD should have been clearer how they weight Test scores for SAT and ACT. Some kids may have submitted a lower test score and got peanlized or some kids like my kid did TO and did not realize she should have submitted test. Either way my kid wanted in for bragging rights but was not going to go as she wants to go away to school.

But it seems crazy 4.7-4.85 WGPAs from W schools got straight up rejects cause did TO or submitted a test score they should not have.

The TO kid I advise got in + Honors.
Reject w/ 4.7 does not surprise me. Also, how many 4.85 are getting rejected, and what was the actual rigor of those kids?

Many magnet kids with Weighted GPAs around 4.85 were rejected. 12-14 APs, mostly 5's or 4's

What school?

My kids who’s a senior says many from Poolesville were rejected. My kid attends a different high school.

That is correct. Some who are perfect on paper were rejected including a senior who published a book, a Robotics club winner and an Olympiad winner. I told my daughter who got in to not whisper anything as it is an emotional time. Many magnet kids are upset as UMd was their safety and now they are unsure about their chances in the T20 that they applied to.

If these "magnet kids" treated UMD as their "safety," then they deserve the deferrals.

Please explain the logic?

I;m a new poster, but I agree.
1. When a high-stats, kid who CAN afford other options (and prefers other options) applies to UMD, they're probably taking a spot of a talented instate kid who CAN'T afford an OOS or private school.
2. UMD is not easy to get into. Even for a well-qualified instate kid, it's a target at best, not a safety.
3. It is the mission of the school to serve the population of the state. MOST other states have at least two state schools that are comparable in rigor, majors, etc. (Auburn/Alabama, Michgan/Michgan State, FSU/UF), but Maryland only has UMD.

If you are a high-stats kid who can afford OOS or private, don't use UMD as a safety.

I would add to that *if you have no intention of attending under any circumstances*

If it’s a safety, you intend to go to UMD if you don’t get into preferred options. Nothing wrong with that.

Exactly. We anticipated our very high-stats magnet kid would have good options but have also heard nightmare stories about similar STEM-focused kids being rejected nearly everywhere in previous cycles. And like many others, we aren't feeling great about job security these days. We weren't intentionally "taking a spot from someone else" but felt we needed to have the option in case one of those two scenarios came to pass. Considered UMD an excellent option if it came to it! I seriously doubt there were applicants "who had no intention of attending under any circumstances." It's just that there's a spectrum of likelihood. I assume there were deferrals who will get any declined spots depending on yield. So no one is actually stealing another student's spot, since presumably the kids who were next in line will get in.

Looking at our naviance - it is a safety for high stats kids. Its acceptance rate is lower these days but still around 50%. It used to be 70% from our school. What I am not clear is why would they reject higher stats - I understand they don't yield protect but this sounds like another form.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a member of the UMD parents group and there is almost a revolt among those with high scoring SATs with perfect or near perfect GPAs who didn’t get Honors. My kid is one of them.

It’s irritating to read about all the TO kids who got Honors.

I'd feel the same way, not remotely fair.

Why do you want UMD so badly if your stats are that high? You could probably get into a much more competitive school. Is it a cost thing? Because top schools usually have really strong endowments and are MUCH more generous with financial aid.

My kid did get into the Honors College, just empathizing with parents of non-TO kids who didn’t. Wanting UMD is not rocket science. For a donut hole family, elite colleges cost 3x as much!

I think UMD PUNISHED TO kids more. My TO kids friends with same or lower GPAs with high standardized scores got in. Same exact GPA and ECs her best friend my kid but she got 35 ACT and my kid did TO. So my kid did not get in. My daughters friend is super nice, but she did take SAT like 4 times and bombed. Then did ACT several times with Prep and tutoring got a 35.

So in her case scores helped. UMD should have been clearer how they weight Test scores for SAT and ACT. Some kids may have submitted a lower test score and got peanlized or some kids like my kid did TO and did not realize she should have submitted test. Either way my kid wanted in for bragging rights but was not going to go as she wants to go away to school.

But it seems crazy 4.7-4.85 WGPAs from W schools got straight up rejects cause did TO or submitted a test score they should not have.

The TO kid I advise got in + Honors.
Reject w/ 4.7 does not surprise me. Also, how many 4.85 are getting rejected, and what was the actual rigor of those kids?

Many magnet kids with Weighted GPAs around 4.85 were rejected. 12-14 APs, mostly 5's or 4's

What school?

My kids who’s a senior says many from Poolesville were rejected. My kid attends a different high school.

That is correct. Some who are perfect on paper were rejected including a senior who published a book, a Robotics club winner and an Olympiad winner. I told my daughter who got in to not whisper anything as it is an emotional time. Many magnet kids are upset as UMd was their safety and now they are unsure about their chances in the T20 that they applied to.

If these "magnet kids" treated UMD as their "safety," then they deserve the deferrals.

Please explain the logic?

I;m a new poster, but I agree.
1. When a high-stats, kid who CAN afford other options (and prefers other options) applies to UMD, they're probably taking a spot of a talented instate kid who CAN'T afford an OOS or private school.
2. UMD is not easy to get into. Even for a well-qualified instate kid, it's a target at best, not a safety.
3. It is the mission of the school to serve the population of the state. MOST other states have at least two state schools that are comparable in rigor, majors, etc. (Auburn/Alabama, Michgan/Michgan State, FSU/UF), but Maryland only has UMD.

If you are a high-stats kid who can afford OOS or private, don't use UMD as a safety.

I would add to that *if you have no intention of attending under any circumstances*

If it’s a safety, you intend to go to UMD if you don’t get into preferred options. Nothing wrong with that.

Exactly. We anticipated our very high-stats magnet kid would have good options but have also heard nightmare stories about similar STEM-focused kids being rejected nearly everywhere in previous cycles. And like many others, we aren't feeling great about job security these days. We weren't intentionally "taking a spot from someone else" but felt we needed to have the option in case one of those two scenarios came to pass. Considered UMD an excellent option if it came to it! I seriously doubt there were applicants "who had no intention of attending under any circumstances." It's just that there's a spectrum of likelihood. I assume there were deferrals who will get any declined spots depending on yield. So no one is actually stealing another student's spot, since presumably the kids who were next in line will get in.

Looking at our naviance - it is a safety for high stats kids. Its acceptance rate is lower these days but still around 50%. It used to be 70% from our school. What I am not clear is why would they reject higher stats - I understand they don't yield protect but this sounds like another form.

They seem to be rejecting high stats but not the highest stats. I think it's about capping the number from each school.

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Not sure ANY school with a 45% acceptance rate can be classified as a safety regardless of major. We looked at it as a target/match.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a member of the UMD parents group and there is almost a revolt among those with high scoring SATs with perfect or near perfect GPAs who didn’t get Honors. My kid is one of them.

It’s irritating to read about all the TO kids who got Honors.

I'd feel the same way, not remotely fair.

Why do you want UMD so badly if your stats are that high? You could probably get into a much more competitive school. Is it a cost thing? Because top schools usually have really strong endowments and are MUCH more generous with financial aid.

My kid did get into the Honors College, just empathizing with parents of non-TO kids who didn’t. Wanting UMD is not rocket science. For a donut hole family, elite colleges cost 3x as much!

I think UMD PUNISHED TO kids more. My TO kids friends with same or lower GPAs with high standardized scores got in. Same exact GPA and ECs her best friend my kid but she got 35 ACT and my kid did TO. So my kid did not get in. My daughters friend is super nice, but she did take SAT like 4 times and bombed. Then did ACT several times with Prep and tutoring got a 35.

So in her case scores helped. UMD should have been clearer how they weight Test scores for SAT and ACT. Some kids may have submitted a lower test score and got peanlized or some kids like my kid did TO and did not realize she should have submitted test. Either way my kid wanted in for bragging rights but was not going to go as she wants to go away to school.

But it seems crazy 4.7-4.85 WGPAs from W schools got straight up rejects cause did TO or submitted a test score they should not have.

The TO kid I advise got in + Honors.
Reject w/ 4.7 does not surprise me. Also, how many 4.85 are getting rejected, and what was the actual rigor of those kids?

Many magnet kids with Weighted GPAs around 4.85 were rejected. 12-14 APs, mostly 5's or 4's

What school?

My kids who’s a senior says many from Poolesville were rejected. My kid attends a different high school.

That is correct. Some who are perfect on paper were rejected including a senior who published a book, a Robotics club winner and an Olympiad winner. I told my daughter who got in to not whisper anything as it is an emotional time. Many magnet kids are upset as UMd was their safety and now they are unsure about their chances in the T20 that they applied to.

If these "magnet kids" treated UMD as their "safety," then they deserve the deferrals.

Please explain the logic?

I;m a new poster, but I agree.
1. When a high-stats, kid who CAN afford other options (and prefers other options) applies to UMD, they're probably taking a spot of a talented instate kid who CAN'T afford an OOS or private school.
2. UMD is not easy to get into. Even for a well-qualified instate kid, it's a target at best, not a safety.
3. It is the mission of the school to serve the population of the state. MOST other states have at least two state schools that are comparable in rigor, majors, etc. (Auburn/Alabama, Michgan/Michgan State, FSU/UF), but Maryland only has UMD.

If you are a high-stats kid who can afford OOS or private, don't use UMD as a safety.

I would add to that *if you have no intention of attending under any circumstances*

If it’s a safety, you intend to go to UMD if you don’t get into preferred options. Nothing wrong with that.

Exactly. We anticipated our very high-stats magnet kid would have good options but have also heard nightmare stories about similar STEM-focused kids being rejected nearly everywhere in previous cycles. And like many others, we aren't feeling great about job security these days. We weren't intentionally "taking a spot from someone else" but felt we needed to have the option in case one of those two scenarios came to pass. Considered UMD an excellent option if it came to it! I seriously doubt there were applicants "who had no intention of attending under any circumstances." It's just that there's a spectrum of likelihood. I assume there were deferrals who will get any declined spots depending on yield. So no one is actually stealing another student's spot, since presumably the kids who were next in line will get in.

Looking at our naviance - it is a safety for high stats kids. Its acceptance rate is lower these days but still around 50%. It used to be 70% from our school. What I am not clear is why would they reject higher stats - I understand they don't yield protect but this sounds like another form.

They seem to be rejecting high stats but not the highest stats. I think it's about capping the number from each school.

yeah this could be an explanation - so they take top whatever percent.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a member of the UMD parents group and there is almost a revolt among those with high scoring SATs with perfect or near perfect GPAs who didn’t get Honors. My kid is one of them.

It’s irritating to read about all the TO kids who got Honors.

I'd feel the same way, not remotely fair.

Why do you want UMD so badly if your stats are that high? You could probably get into a much more competitive school. Is it a cost thing? Because top schools usually have really strong endowments and are MUCH more generous with financial aid.

My kid did get into the Honors College, just empathizing with parents of non-TO kids who didn’t. Wanting UMD is not rocket science. For a donut hole family, elite colleges cost 3x as much!

I think UMD PUNISHED TO kids more. My TO kids friends with same or lower GPAs with high standardized scores got in. Same exact GPA and ECs her best friend my kid but she got 35 ACT and my kid did TO. So my kid did not get in. My daughters friend is super nice, but she did take SAT like 4 times and bombed. Then did ACT several times with Prep and tutoring got a 35.

So in her case scores helped. UMD should have been clearer how they weight Test scores for SAT and ACT. Some kids may have submitted a lower test score and got peanlized or some kids like my kid did TO and did not realize she should have submitted test. Either way my kid wanted in for bragging rights but was not going to go as she wants to go away to school.

But it seems crazy 4.7-4.85 WGPAs from W schools got straight up rejects cause did TO or submitted a test score they should not have.

The TO kid I advise got in + Honors.
Reject w/ 4.7 does not surprise me. Also, how many 4.85 are getting rejected, and what was the actual rigor of those kids?

Many magnet kids with Weighted GPAs around 4.85 were rejected. 12-14 APs, mostly 5's or 4's

What school?

My kids who’s a senior says many from Poolesville were rejected. My kid attends a different high school.

That is correct. Some who are perfect on paper were rejected including a senior who published a book, a Robotics club winner and an Olympiad winner. I told my daughter who got in to not whisper anything as it is an emotional time. Many magnet kids are upset as UMd was their safety and now they are unsure about their chances in the T20 that they applied to.

If these "magnet kids" treated UMD as their "safety," then they deserve the deferrals.

Please explain the logic?

I;m a new poster, but I agree.
1. When a high-stats, kid who CAN afford other options (and prefers other options) applies to UMD, they're probably taking a spot of a talented instate kid who CAN'T afford an OOS or private school.
2. UMD is not easy to get into. Even for a well-qualified instate kid, it's a target at best, not a safety.
3. It is the mission of the school to serve the population of the state. MOST other states have at least two state schools that are comparable in rigor, majors, etc. (Auburn/Alabama, Michgan/Michgan State, FSU/UF), but Maryland only has UMD.

If you are a high-stats kid who can afford OOS or private, don't use UMD as a safety.

I would add to that *if you have no intention of attending under any circumstances*

If it’s a safety, you intend to go to UMD if you don’t get into preferred options. Nothing wrong with that.

Exactly. We anticipated our very high-stats magnet kid would have good options but have also heard nightmare stories about similar STEM-focused kids being rejected nearly everywhere in previous cycles. And like many others, we aren't feeling great about job security these days. We weren't intentionally "taking a spot from someone else" but felt we needed to have the option in case one of those two scenarios came to pass. Considered UMD an excellent option if it came to it! I seriously doubt there were applicants "who had no intention of attending under any circumstances." It's just that there's a spectrum of likelihood. I assume there were deferrals who will get any declined spots depending on yield. So no one is actually stealing another student's spot, since presumably the kids who were next in line will get in.

That was my DC a couple of years ago, from a magnet. 4.0 wgpa, 4.92 wgpa, 1580 SAT, CS major. Now at UMD honors with merit.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a member of the UMD parents group and there is almost a revolt among those with high scoring SATs with perfect or near perfect GPAs who didn’t get Honors. My kid is one of them.

It’s irritating to read about all the TO kids who got Honors.

I'd feel the same way, not remotely fair.

Why do you want UMD so badly if your stats are that high? You could probably get into a much more competitive school. Is it a cost thing? Because top schools usually have really strong endowments and are MUCH more generous with financial aid.

My kid did get into the Honors College, just empathizing with parents of non-TO kids who didn’t. Wanting UMD is not rocket science. For a donut hole family, elite colleges cost 3x as much!

I think UMD PUNISHED TO kids more. My TO kids friends with same or lower GPAs with high standardized scores got in. Same exact GPA and ECs her best friend my kid but she got 35 ACT and my kid did TO. So my kid did not get in. My daughters friend is super nice, but she did take SAT like 4 times and bombed. Then did ACT several times with Prep and tutoring got a 35.

So in her case scores helped. UMD should have been clearer how they weight Test scores for SAT and ACT. Some kids may have submitted a lower test score and got peanlized or some kids like my kid did TO and did not realize she should have submitted test. Either way my kid wanted in for bragging rights but was not going to go as she wants to go away to school.

But it seems crazy 4.7-4.85 WGPAs from W schools got straight up rejects cause did TO or submitted a test score they should not have.

The TO kid I advise got in + Honors.
Reject w/ 4.7 does not surprise me. Also, how many 4.85 are getting rejected, and what was the actual rigor of those kids?

Many magnet kids with Weighted GPAs around 4.85 were rejected. 12-14 APs, mostly 5's or 4's

What school?

My kids who’s a senior says many from Poolesville were rejected. My kid attends a different high school.

That is correct. Some who are perfect on paper were rejected including a senior who published a book, a Robotics club winner and an Olympiad winner. I told my daughter who got in to not whisper anything as it is an emotional time. Many magnet kids are upset as UMd was their safety and now they are unsure about their chances in the T20 that they applied to.

If these "magnet kids" treated UMD as their "safety," then they deserve the deferrals.

Please explain the logic?

I;m a new poster, but I agree.
1. When a high-stats, kid who CAN afford other options (and prefers other options) applies to UMD, they're probably taking a spot of a talented instate kid who CAN'T afford an OOS or private school.
2. UMD is not easy to get into. Even for a well-qualified instate kid, it's a target at best, not a safety.
3. It is the mission of the school to serve the population of the state. MOST other states have at least two state schools that are comparable in rigor, majors, etc. (Auburn/Alabama, Michgan/Michgan State, FSU/UF), but Maryland only has UMD.

If you are a high-stats kid who can afford OOS or private, don't use UMD as a safety.

I would add to that *if you have no intention of attending under any circumstances*

If it’s a safety, you intend to go to UMD if you don’t get into preferred options. Nothing wrong with that.

Exactly. We anticipated our very high-stats magnet kid would have good options but have also heard nightmare stories about similar STEM-focused kids being rejected nearly everywhere in previous cycles. And like many others, we aren't feeling great about job security these days. We weren't intentionally "taking a spot from someone else" but felt we needed to have the option in case one of those two scenarios came to pass. Considered UMD an excellent option if it came to it! I seriously doubt there were applicants "who had no intention of attending under any circumstances." It's just that there's a spectrum of likelihood. I assume there were deferrals who will get any declined spots depending on yield. So no one is actually stealing another student's spot, since presumably the kids who were next in line will get in.

Looking at our naviance - it is a safety for high stats kids. Its acceptance rate is lower these days but still around 50%. It used to be 70% from our school. What I am not clear is why would they reject higher stats - I understand they don't yield protect but this sounds like another form.

They seem to be rejecting high stats but not the highest stats. I think it's about capping the number from each school.

+1 no college wants to take that many kids from the same HS.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a member of the UMD parents group and there is almost a revolt among those with high scoring SATs with perfect or near perfect GPAs who didn’t get Honors. My kid is one of them.

It’s irritating to read about all the TO kids who got Honors.

I'd feel the same way, not remotely fair.

Why do you want UMD so badly if your stats are that high? You could probably get into a much more competitive school. Is it a cost thing? Because top schools usually have really strong endowments and are MUCH more generous with financial aid.

My kid did get into the Honors College, just empathizing with parents of non-TO kids who didn’t. Wanting UMD is not rocket science. For a donut hole family, elite colleges cost 3x as much!

I think UMD PUNISHED TO kids more. My TO kids friends with same or lower GPAs with high standardized scores got in. Same exact GPA and ECs her best friend my kid but she got 35 ACT and my kid did TO. So my kid did not get in. My daughters friend is super nice, but she did take SAT like 4 times and bombed. Then did ACT several times with Prep and tutoring got a 35.

So in her case scores helped. UMD should have been clearer how they weight Test scores for SAT and ACT. Some kids may have submitted a lower test score and got peanlized or some kids like my kid did TO and did not realize she should have submitted test. Either way my kid wanted in for bragging rights but was not going to go as she wants to go away to school.

But it seems crazy 4.7-4.85 WGPAs from W schools got straight up rejects cause did TO or submitted a test score they should not have.

The TO kid I advise got in + Honors.
Reject w/ 4.7 does not surprise me. Also, how many 4.85 are getting rejected, and what was the actual rigor of those kids?

Many magnet kids with Weighted GPAs around 4.85 were rejected. 12-14 APs, mostly 5's or 4's

What school?

My kids who’s a senior says many from Poolesville were rejected. My kid attends a different high school.

That is correct. Some who are perfect on paper were rejected including a senior who published a book, a Robotics club winner and an Olympiad winner. I told my daughter who got in to not whisper anything as it is an emotional time. Many magnet kids are upset as UMd was their safety and now they are unsure about their chances in the T20 that they applied to.

If these "magnet kids" treated UMD as their "safety," then they deserve the deferrals.

Please explain the logic?

I;m a new poster, but I agree.
1. When a high-stats, kid who CAN afford other options (and prefers other options) applies to UMD, they're probably taking a spot of a talented instate kid who CAN'T afford an OOS or private school.
2. UMD is not easy to get into. Even for a well-qualified instate kid, it's a target at best, not a safety.
3. It is the mission of the school to serve the population of the state. MOST other states have at least two state schools that are comparable in rigor, majors, etc. (Auburn/Alabama, Michgan/Michgan State, FSU/UF), but Maryland only has UMD.

If you are a high-stats kid who can afford OOS or private, don't use UMD as a safety.

I would add to that *if you have no intention of attending under any circumstances*

If it’s a safety, you intend to go to UMD if you don’t get into preferred options. Nothing wrong with that.

Exactly. We anticipated our very high-stats magnet kid would have good options but have also heard nightmare stories about similar STEM-focused kids being rejected nearly everywhere in previous cycles. And like many others, we aren't feeling great about job security these days. We weren't intentionally "taking a spot from someone else" but felt we needed to have the option in case one of those two scenarios came to pass. Considered UMD an excellent option if it came to it! I seriously doubt there were applicants "who had no intention of attending under any circumstances." It's just that there's a spectrum of likelihood. I assume there were deferrals who will get any declined spots depending on yield. So no one is actually stealing another student's spot, since presumably the kids who were next in line will get in.

Looking at our naviance - it is a safety for high stats kids. Its acceptance rate is lower these days but still around 50%. It used to be 70% from our school. What I am not clear is why would they reject higher stats - I understand they don't yield protect but this sounds like another form.

They seem to be rejecting high stats but not the highest stats. I think it's about capping the number from each school.

+1 no college wants to take that many kids from the same HS.

Should Goldman and JP Morgan put a cap on Harvard students. After all they don't want too much one college?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a member of the UMD parents group and there is almost a revolt among those with high scoring SATs with perfect or near perfect GPAs who didn’t get Honors. My kid is one of them.

It’s irritating to read about all the TO kids who got Honors.

I'd feel the same way, not remotely fair.

Why do you want UMD so badly if your stats are that high? You could probably get into a much more competitive school. Is it a cost thing? Because top schools usually have really strong endowments and are MUCH more generous with financial aid.

My kid did get into the Honors College, just empathizing with parents of non-TO kids who didn’t. Wanting UMD is not rocket science. For a donut hole family, elite colleges cost 3x as much!

I think UMD PUNISHED TO kids more. My TO kids friends with same or lower GPAs with high standardized scores got in. Same exact GPA and ECs her best friend my kid but she got 35 ACT and my kid did TO. So my kid did not get in. My daughters friend is super nice, but she did take SAT like 4 times and bombed. Then did ACT several times with Prep and tutoring got a 35.

So in her case scores helped. UMD should have been clearer how they weight Test scores for SAT and ACT. Some kids may have submitted a lower test score and got peanlized or some kids like my kid did TO and did not realize she should have submitted test. Either way my kid wanted in for bragging rights but was not going to go as she wants to go away to school.

But it seems crazy 4.7-4.85 WGPAs from W schools got straight up rejects cause did TO or submitted a test score they should not have.

The TO kid I advise got in + Honors.
Reject w/ 4.7 does not surprise me. Also, how many 4.85 are getting rejected, and what was the actual rigor of those kids?

Many magnet kids with Weighted GPAs around 4.85 were rejected. 12-14 APs, mostly 5's or 4's

What school?

My kids who’s a senior says many from Poolesville were rejected. My kid attends a different high school.

That is correct. Some who are perfect on paper were rejected including a senior who published a book, a Robotics club winner and an Olympiad winner. I told my daughter who got in to not whisper anything as it is an emotional time. Many magnet kids are upset as UMd was their safety and now they are unsure about their chances in the T20 that they applied to.

If these "magnet kids" treated UMD as their "safety," then they deserve the deferrals.

Please explain the logic?

I;m a new poster, but I agree.
1. When a high-stats, kid who CAN afford other options (and prefers other options) applies to UMD, they're probably taking a spot of a talented instate kid who CAN'T afford an OOS or private school.
2. UMD is not easy to get into. Even for a well-qualified instate kid, it's a target at best, not a safety.
3. It is the mission of the school to serve the population of the state. MOST other states have at least two state schools that are comparable in rigor, majors, etc. (Auburn/Alabama, Michgan/Michgan State, FSU/UF), but Maryland only has UMD.

If you are a high-stats kid who can afford OOS or private, don't use UMD as a safety.

I would add to that *if you have no intention of attending under any circumstances*

If it’s a safety, you intend to go to UMD if you don’t get into preferred options. Nothing wrong with that.

Exactly. We anticipated our very high-stats magnet kid would have good options but have also heard nightmare stories about similar STEM-focused kids being rejected nearly everywhere in previous cycles. And like many others, we aren't feeling great about job security these days. We weren't intentionally "taking a spot from someone else" but felt we needed to have the option in case one of those two scenarios came to pass. Considered UMD an excellent option if it came to it! I seriously doubt there were applicants "who had no intention of attending under any circumstances." It's just that there's a spectrum of likelihood. I assume there were deferrals who will get any declined spots depending on yield. So no one is actually stealing another student's spot, since presumably the kids who were next in line will get in.

Looking at our naviance - it is a safety for high stats kids. Its acceptance rate is lower these days but still around 50%. It used to be 70% from our school. What I am not clear is why would they reject higher stats - I understand they don't yield protect but this sounds like another form.

They seem to be rejecting high stats but not the highest stats. I think it's about capping the number from each school.

+1 no college wants to take that many kids from the same HS.

Should Goldman and JP Morgan put a cap on Harvard students. After all they don't want too much one college?

Stockholders don't care where employees are from. UMD has to answer to BOV, state legislators and alumni.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents are pissed rightly so that MoCo has very high income taxes and people with kids with high GPAs get rejected the only from UMD and need to pay an extra 60k to 100k to another’s states flagship to send their kid to school.

Unlike VA or NY with only one flagship and one with not strict limits like North Carolina etc on mainly excepting in state a ton of spots giving away to OOS students and tax payers are blocked from going.

In my case costing me $80,000 this rejection

Agree that it is very frustrating that the families of magnet kids with stats and rigor higher than the majority of students accepted to UMD have to shell out tens of thousands of dollars more for college. And that this wouldn't be the case if the kid went to almost any other high school.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a member of the UMD parents group and there is almost a revolt among those with high scoring SATs with perfect or near perfect GPAs who didn’t get Honors. My kid is one of them.

It’s irritating to read about all the TO kids who got Honors.

I'd feel the same way, not remotely fair.

Why do you want UMD so badly if your stats are that high? You could probably get into a much more competitive school. Is it a cost thing? Because top schools usually have really strong endowments and are MUCH more generous with financial aid.

My kid did get into the Honors College, just empathizing with parents of non-TO kids who didn’t. Wanting UMD is not rocket science. For a donut hole family, elite colleges cost 3x as much!

I think UMD PUNISHED TO kids more. My TO kids friends with same or lower GPAs with high standardized scores got in. Same exact GPA and ECs her best friend my kid but she got 35 ACT and my kid did TO. So my kid did not get in. My daughters friend is super nice, but she did take SAT like 4 times and bombed. Then did ACT several times with Prep and tutoring got a 35.

So in her case scores helped. UMD should have been clearer how they weight Test scores for SAT and ACT. Some kids may have submitted a lower test score and got peanlized or some kids like my kid did TO and did not realize she should have submitted test. Either way my kid wanted in for bragging rights but was not going to go as she wants to go away to school.

But it seems crazy 4.7-4.85 WGPAs from W schools got straight up rejects cause did TO or submitted a test score they should not have.

The TO kid I advise got in + Honors.
Reject w/ 4.7 does not surprise me. Also, how many 4.85 are getting rejected, and what was the actual rigor of those kids?

Many magnet kids with Weighted GPAs around 4.85 were rejected. 12-14 APs, mostly 5's or 4's

What school?

My kids who’s a senior says many from Poolesville were rejected. My kid attends a different high school.

That is correct. Some who are perfect on paper were rejected including a senior who published a book, a Robotics club winner and an Olympiad winner. I told my daughter who got in to not whisper anything as it is an emotional time. Many magnet kids are upset as UMd was their safety and now they are unsure about their chances in the T20 that they applied to.

If these "magnet kids" treated UMD as their "safety," then they deserve the deferrals.

Please explain the logic?

I;m a new poster, but I agree.
1. When a high-stats, kid who CAN afford other options (and prefers other options) applies to UMD, they're probably taking a spot of a talented instate kid who CAN'T afford an OOS or private school.
2. UMD is not easy to get into. Even for a well-qualified instate kid, it's a target at best, not a safety.
3. It is the mission of the school to serve the population of the state. MOST other states have at least two state schools that are comparable in rigor, majors, etc. (Auburn/Alabama, Michgan/Michgan State, FSU/UF), but Maryland only has UMD.

If you are a high-stats kid who can afford OOS or private, don't use UMD as a safety.

I would add to that *if you have no intention of attending under any circumstances*

If it’s a safety, you intend to go to UMD if you don’t get into preferred options. Nothing wrong with that.

Exactly. We anticipated our very high-stats magnet kid would have good options but have also heard nightmare stories about similar STEM-focused kids being rejected nearly everywhere in previous cycles. And like many others, we aren't feeling great about job security these days. We weren't intentionally "taking a spot from someone else" but felt we needed to have the option in case one of those two scenarios came to pass. Considered UMD an excellent option if it came to it! I seriously doubt there were applicants "who had no intention of attending under any circumstances." It's just that there's a spectrum of likelihood. I assume there were deferrals who will get any declined spots depending on yield. So no one is actually stealing another student's spot, since presumably the kids who were next in line will get in.

Looking at our naviance - it is a safety for high stats kids. Its acceptance rate is lower these days but still around 50%. It used to be 70% from our school. What I am not clear is why would they reject higher stats - I understand they don't yield protect but this sounds like another form.


This year's results not consistent with Naviance for prior years for our school.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents are pissed rightly so that MoCo has very high income taxes and people with kids with high GPAs get rejected the only from UMD and need to pay an extra 60k to 100k to another’s states flagship to send their kid to school.

Unlike VA or NY with only one flagship and one with not strict limits like North Carolina etc on mainly excepting in state a ton of spots giving away to OOS students and tax payers are blocked from going.

In my case costing me $80,000 this rejection

Agree that it is very frustrating that the families of magnet kids with stats and rigor higher than the majority of students accepted to UMD have to shell out tens of thousands of dollars more for college. And that this wouldn't be the case if the kid went to almost any other high school.

Well the word is out and parents need to keep this in mind when deciding whether to accept a magnet invite. If the plan is UMD or bust, the home school might be more strategic.

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It's a safety school for corrupt officials as well. If people get fired for contributing to sexual and professional harassment like the recent UMD admin dei hire, they will have a back up job here to make 6 figs. Even if they extracted millions of tax payer dollars out of their schemes. It happened and UMD does not worry about corruption. Probably because they make too much money being corrupt.