Huge ECNL News coming 7/1/2024

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Anonymous wrote:If my DC had been a trapped ECNL player I would have viewed the situation as an opportunity. Trapped players get the clear advantage of being seen and targeted a year earlier by college coaches. No different than playing up a year. It’s like jumping in front of the line.

haha what?? You could always have elected to have your DC play a year up.

. I don’t see where you disagree with the argument that trapped players receive a potential advantage.

Potential advantage? It's a definite disadvantage when you don't have a team to play for in 8th grade. It's a definite disadvantage when your in 2nd grade and deemed a 2nd team player but if you were playing with 2nd graders instead of 3rd would be on the first team. That gets you to quit after a year or 2 when you decide you are "better" at another sport when you are with your grade level. You never make it to the potential advantage that is made up by you. The potential advantage forced on you, when others have the ability to choose.

What a bunch of garbage. These are the excuses parents make when their kid isn't as good as they want them to be. I know a mom who says this all the time when in reality her kid just isn't very good. It's a cope.

If your kid is playing with their own birth year, then they are within a year of the age of the other kids on their team. Period. Kids don't magically improve at a sport by completing the academic curriculum associated with a particular grade in school. Players who are actually good can hang with kids a few months older. If a kid can only stand out by being the oldest on their team, then they are not as good as they think.

Ya'll keep making the point to go back to the age groups aligning with the school year even while trying to defend it. RAE is either going to exist or "not be a big deal" if you are good. So eliminate the trapped player issue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If my DC had been a trapped ECNL player I would have viewed the situation as an opportunity. Trapped players get the clear advantage of being seen and targeted a year earlier by college coaches. No different than playing up a year. It’s like jumping in front of the line.

haha what?? You could always have elected to have your DC play a year up.

. I don’t see where you disagree with the argument that trapped players receive a potential advantage.

You clearly have no idea about boys recruiting if you are suggesting this.

[Anonymous]

just go back to the 7/1 press release for all of the answers

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:just go back to the 7/1 press release for all of the answers

What press release?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If my DC had been a trapped ECNL player I would have viewed the situation as an opportunity. Trapped players get the clear advantage of being seen and targeted a year earlier by college coaches. No different than playing up a year. It’s like jumping in front of the line.

haha what?? You could always have elected to have your DC play a year up.

. I don’t see where you disagree with the argument that trapped players receive a potential advantage.

Potential advantage? It's a definite disadvantage when you don't have a team to play for in 8th grade. It's a definite disadvantage when your in 2nd grade and deemed a 2nd team player but if you were playing with 2nd graders instead of 3rd would be on the first team. That gets you to quit after a year or 2 when you decide you are "better" at another sport when you are with your grade level. You never make it to the potential advantage that is made up by you. The potential advantage forced on you, when others have the ability to choose.

What a bunch of garbage. These are the excuses parents make when their kid isn't as good as they want them to be. I know a mom who says this all the time when in reality her kid just isn't very good. It's a cope.

If your kid is playing with their own birth year, then they are within a year of the age of the other kids on their team. Period. Kids don't magically improve at a sport by completing the academic curriculum associated with a particular grade in school. Players who are actually good can hang with kids a few months older. If a kid can only stand out by being the oldest on their team, then they are not as good as they think.

This!

The issue isn’t “not having a team” it’s “not having the team we want for our kid.”

And the idea that the kid that quit at 2nd grade was going to be a future Messi is insane. Do people think the Messis of the world were spotted at birth and just ushered to the top of the game? They didn’t have hardship, perseverance, suffering to go along with the accolades? Messi is Messi because of the work he did to become great, not because some coach paved the way for him, or being on “top team” was the magic ingredient.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If my DC had been a trapped ECNL player I would have viewed the situation as an opportunity. Trapped players get the clear advantage of being seen and targeted a year earlier by college coaches. No different than playing up a year. It’s like jumping in front of the line.

haha what?? You could always have elected to have your DC play a year up.

. I don’t see where you disagree with the argument that trapped players receive a potential advantage.

Potential advantage? It's a definite disadvantage when you don't have a team to play for in 8th grade. It's a definite disadvantage when your in 2nd grade and deemed a 2nd team player but if you were playing with 2nd graders instead of 3rd would be on the first team. That gets you to quit after a year or 2 when you decide you are "better" at another sport when you are with your grade level. You never make it to the potential advantage that is made up by you. The potential advantage forced on you, when others have the ability to choose.

What a bunch of garbage. These are the excuses parents make when their kid isn't as good as they want them to be. I know a mom who says this all the time when in reality her kid just isn't very good. It's a cope.

If your kid is playing with their own birth year, then they are within a year of the age of the other kids on their team. Period. Kids don't magically improve at a sport by completing the academic curriculum associated with a particular grade in school. Players who are actually good can hang with kids a few months older. If a kid can only stand out by being the oldest on their team, then they are not as good as they think.

This!

The issue isn’t “not having a team” it’s “not having the team we want for our kid.”

And the idea that the kid that quit at 2nd grade was going to be a future Messi is insane. Do people think the Messis of the world were spotted at birth and just ushered to the top of the game? They didn’t have hardship, perseverance, suffering to go along with the accolades? Messi is Messi because of the work he did to become great, not because some coach paved the way for him, or being on “top team” was the magic ingredient.

Your missing the part about them being a great athlete. To dismiss that by a certain age you need to select that one sport you are going to be all in on by 3rd or 4th grade. Messi's culture didn't have him choosing between soccer and lacrosse or gymnastics or track etc. It was soccer and only soccer. FTW my kid is going to be a trapped player if she sticks with soccer. She's currently a state champion in her age bracket which is broken down by specific birthdate in gymnastics. She dabbles in tennis and track as time allows. But at some point she will have to choose. This coming season she will actually be playing up an age group for soccer so with girls 2 grades older than her because that is how it worked out. She also knows that by next year she needs to drop down to a less intense track in gymnastics or drop it all together to be all in on soccer. It's a complicated decision for a 9 year old. You can dismiss early success as not being important, yet that's the only argument those for not changing have. Their kids would be negatively impacted by not being the oldest anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If my DC had been a trapped ECNL player I would have viewed the situation as an opportunity. Trapped players get the clear advantage of being seen and targeted a year earlier by college coaches. No different than playing up a year. It’s like jumping in front of the line.

haha what?? You could always have elected to have your DC play a year up.

. I don’t see where you disagree with the argument that trapped players receive a potential advantage.

Potential advantage? It's a definite disadvantage when you don't have a team to play for in 8th grade. It's a definite disadvantage when your in 2nd grade and deemed a 2nd team player but if you were playing with 2nd graders instead of 3rd would be on the first team. That gets you to quit after a year or 2 when you decide you are "better" at another sport when you are with your grade level. You never make it to the potential advantage that is made up by you. The potential advantage forced on you, when others have the ability to choose.

What a bunch of garbage. These are the excuses parents make when their kid isn't as good as they want them to be. I know a mom who says this all the time when in reality her kid just isn't very good. It's a cope.

If your kid is playing with their own birth year, then they are within a year of the age of the other kids on their team. Period. Kids don't magically improve at a sport by completing the academic curriculum associated with a particular grade in school. Players who are actually good can hang with kids a few months older. If a kid can only stand out by being the oldest on their team, then they are not as good as they think.

This!

The issue isn’t “not having a team” it’s “not having the team we want for our kid.”

And the idea that the kid that quit at 2nd grade was going to be a future Messi is insane. Do people think the Messis of the world were spotted at birth and just ushered to the top of the game? They didn’t have hardship, perseverance, suffering to go along with the accolades? Messi is Messi because of the work he did to become great, not because some coach paved the way for him, or being on “top team” was the magic ingredient.

Your missing the part about them being a great athlete. To dismiss that by a certain age you need to select that one sport you are going to be all in on by 3rd or 4th grade. Messi's culture didn't have him choosing between soccer and lacrosse or gymnastics or track etc. It was soccer and only soccer. FTW my kid is going to be a trapped player if she sticks with soccer. She's currently a state champion in her age bracket which is broken down by specific birthdate in gymnastics. She dabbles in tennis and track as time allows. But at some point she will have to choose. This coming season she will actually be playing up an age group for soccer so with girls 2 grades older than her because that is how it worked out. She also knows that by next year she needs to drop down to a less intense track in gymnastics or drop it all together to be all in on soccer. It's a complicated decision for a 9 year old. You can dismiss early success as not being important, yet that's the only argument those for not changing have. Their kids would be negatively impacted by not being the oldest anymore.

Yep, totally understand that conundrum. But that just reinforces the idea of what makes the greats great. And in line of this thread, you DD ISNT a trapped player if she is playing up 2 age groups.

As an aside, playing up too much is not actually beneficial for development. There is a huge difference between surviving and thriving. I am sure you’ve got it under control and are looking out for her though, because you’re weighing the right sorts of options in her athletic development.

Good luck to her this season, it’s a super tough decision with no right answers that are clear until years down the road.

[Anonymous]

As a parent of a “trapped” player. He’s now in seventh and played the last two years on ENCL with kids a year ahead. The maturity and size has been a challenge, but the biggest issue is all the kids he knows from school and plays with at school are on the team a year younger. But an even bigger issue is that he will have a shortened season next year. He would be a top player for his club based on school year, but middle of the pack playing by birth year. I think this will benefit him, but could harm others….. hope whatever happens it’s beneficial for the majority.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of a “trapped” player. He’s now in seventh and played the last two years on ENCL with kids a year ahead. The maturity and size has been a challenge, but the biggest issue is all the kids he knows from school and plays with at school are on the team a year younger. But an even bigger issue is that he will have a shortened season next year. He would be a top player for his club based on school year, but middle of the pack playing by birth year. I think this will benefit him, but could harm others….. hope whatever happens it’s beneficial for the majority.

Same for my 2010 trapped 8th grade daughter. I now feel fortunate that she's played "older" girls her whole childhood. She struggled when she was younger on her top teams at clubs. Now she's as good/better than most calendar Q1 girls, as she's catching up in size/mental ability. I do think most Q4 kids have struggled on 3rd and 4th teams or have quit by now but fortunate my daughter has done well. I agree that for the majority of calendar Q4 kids, moving to grade year will be better for them and the sport, keeping more kids playing.

[Anonymous]

Same for my son. He’s in 7th now and he’s tougher and more physical because of playing with stronger players and bigger kids his whole career. He’s not getting opportunities as he is smaller than kids a year older than him. He’s better than classmates just a handful of weeks younger than him but in the q1 for the lower age group and because MS boys are mean deemed a worse player due to team placement even if he routinely beats them 1v1s in external training.

He’s had to overcome his entire soccer career due to a December bday. Next year he can request to be a trapped player with ecnl but not guaranteed.

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of a “trapped” player. He’s now in seventh and played the last two years on ENCL with kids a year ahead. The maturity and size has been a challenge, but the biggest issue is all the kids he knows from school and plays with at school are on the team a year younger. But an even bigger issue is that he will have a shortened season next year. He would be a top player for his club based on school year, but middle of the pack playing by birth year. I think this will benefit him, but could harm others….. hope whatever happens it’s beneficial for the majority.