Thanks to the bike party organizers!

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Anonymous wrote:I see this type of driver behavior all.the.time.

But sure, its the bikes that are dangerous

The cyclist is traveling in the left lane at a rate of speed 1/3 below the speed limit and normal flow of traffic. The car made a pass that provided a safe distance between the cyclist and the vehicle. The cyclist complains that the pass was made over double yellow, okay, but the cyclist continues to travel in the left lane as a slower moving vehicle, demonstrating that they were determined not to let anyone pass them. It’s also funny to see cyclist claim they stopped at red light, when it looks like they are illegally in the crosswalk and the spedometer says 4 MPH, indicating that they are still moving and not actually stopped.

Are you blind or just willfully ignoring the vehicle parked in the right lane in the first photo?

DP, but what I think he's getting at is in the pictures after the pass the bike is still in the left/travel lane rather than the right/parking lane and he thinks the bike should be there except for when passing a parked car. That's all based on the normal speed business, which he seems to think requires bikes and cars going under a certain speed to constantly be darting in and out of the lane with parked cars.

I ride on DC streets on a daily basis and realized pretty quickly that the tactic of darting in and out of the right lane to let cars pass would get me killed pretty quickly. Anyone faulting the cyclist for not doing this either knows nothing about cycling or wishes them dead.

If you are riding in the left lane and not moving to the right lane when it’s unobstructed you are breaking the law. No one cares what post hoc justifications you make up to rationalize it because no one believes you.

This point is conclusively addressed in the most recent "Pocket Guide to Bike Laws in the District of Columbia", which was developed in consultation with MPD and DDOT.

Page 11 will be of specific interest to you. The question is posed: "Does a bicyclist always have to ride to the right?" The answer is given: "No. There are no regulations in DC which state that bicyclists must ride to the right."

That would seem fairly conclusive to me, but you should feel free to take this up with DDOT and MPD if you feel differently.

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Anonymous wrote:I see this type of driver behavior all.the.time.

But sure, its the bikes that are dangerous

The cyclist is traveling in the left lane at a rate of speed 1/3 below the speed limit and normal flow of traffic. The car made a pass that provided a safe distance between the cyclist and the vehicle. The cyclist complains that the pass was made over double yellow, okay, but the cyclist continues to travel in the left lane as a slower moving vehicle, demonstrating that they were determined not to let anyone pass them. It’s also funny to see cyclist claim they stopped at red light, when it looks like they are illegally in the crosswalk and the spedometer says 4 MPH, indicating that they are still moving and not actually stopped.

I don't know the cyclist, perhaps they were getting ready to turn left.

Either way, the cyclist has the right to ride in the lane and it is illegal for the driver to cross the double yellow line.

So you are wrong on both counts.

There is no blanket prohibition for crossing a double yellow line in DC. However, the cyclist has recorded themselves committing at least one clear traffic violation.

You need a driving refresher if you believe this.

And what law did the cyclist break?

Please cite me the DC Code. The cyclist on the other hand clearly committed a traffic violation and helpfully even provided the evidence.

18 DCMR § 2201.2
​Upon all roadways, any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand plane then available for traffic, or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway, except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road, driveway, or alley.

The driver did make an illegal pass. Even assuming they never exceeded 25mph during the pass, it is illegal to pass within 100 feet of an intersection.

2202.3No vehicle shall at any time be driven to the left side of the roadway under the following conditions; Provided, that these restrictions shall not apply to driving on a one-way roadway:
(a)When approaching the crest of a grade or upon a curve in the highway where the driver’s view is obstructed within such distance as to create a hazard if another vehicle approaches from the opposite direction;
(b)When approaching within one hundred feet (100 ft.) of or while traversing any intersection or railroad grade crossing;

The vast majority of cars are violating multiple laws on any given trip. Many without even realizing it. To then focus on whether the bike is below the "normal" speed is rather ridiculous when no one could tell you what the normal speed for that stretch of road even is.

It’s impossible to evaluate because we don’t know where the intersection is from the photos. This is why no one believes cyclists anymore. Keep digging the hole is only getting deeper.

Based on the information available in the tweet and through mapping data, the car would have had to been fully back in the lane before the big tree in front of the 25mph sign. Based on its wheel orientation in picture 1, that probably didn't happen. The vehicle was also traveling at least 35MPH based on picture 1&2 timestamps, so an illegal pass for at least one reason and probably 2.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I see this type of driver behavior all.the.time.

But sure, its the bikes that are dangerous

The cyclist is traveling in the left lane at a rate of speed 1/3 below the speed limit and normal flow of traffic. The car made a pass that provided a safe distance between the cyclist and the vehicle. The cyclist complains that the pass was made over double yellow, okay, but the cyclist continues to travel in the left lane as a slower moving vehicle, demonstrating that they were determined not to let anyone pass them. It’s also funny to see cyclist claim they stopped at red light, when it looks like they are illegally in the crosswalk and the spedometer says 4 MPH, indicating that they are still moving and not actually stopped.

I don't know the cyclist, perhaps they were getting ready to turn left.

Either way, the cyclist has the right to ride in the lane and it is illegal for the driver to cross the double yellow line.

So you are wrong on both counts.

There is no blanket prohibition for crossing a double yellow line in DC. However, the cyclist has recorded themselves committing at least one clear traffic violation.

I've been looking this up and cannot find a reference in the DC regulations to the double yellow line. This is of course covered in the DC Driver Manual and we all know it is illegal, but what specific regulation does it violate?

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Anonymous wrote:We have more than 150 miles of bike lanes. Seems like more than enough given how few people ride bikes.

We’ve built an entirely new transportation system, costing billions of dollars, for a tiny number of white guys who think they’re too good for the bus

Political power is getting a city with a 20 percent poverty rate, that’s cutting positions in schools because of budget constraints, to spend billions of dollars on your hobby

A sampling of what's in the mayor's new budget:

$84 million for bike trails
$56 million for Vision Zero
$52 million for bike bridge to Virginia
$32 million for bike safety
$11.5 million for bike bridge to Anacostia
$10 million for Capital Bikeshare

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We have more than 150 miles of bike lanes. Seems like more than enough given how few people ride bikes.

We’ve built an entirely new transportation system, costing billions of dollars, for a tiny number of white guys who think they’re too good for the bus

Political power is getting a city with a 20 percent poverty rate, that’s cutting positions in schools because of budget constraints, to spend billions of dollars on your hobby

Here's a tiny sampling:

$36 million to expand bike lanes
$15 million to expand Capital Bikeshare
$1.3 million to hire people to clean bike lanes
$57 million to make K Street more bike/bus friendly
$21 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$18.5 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$120,000 to buy electric bikes

Just think of how many cars these projects gets off the road. Think about the pollution that isn't being spewed into the air, think about the health benefits for the people using these facilities and the emergency room and doctor care not being utilized - so that people who need to drive and park, can, so that people who need medical car have easier access to it.

I don't know what the $39.5 for pedestrian/bike bridges are for, the K Street has to be remade and most of that money is to facilitate the eventual expansion of the streetcar to downtown DC.

The $1.3 million for cleaning bike lanes is actually to both manage trails, clean bike lanes and teach DCPS kids how to ride bikes.

The number of cars these projects will get off the road is zero. Surveys show bicycling, if anything, is becoming *less* popular.

Facts matter

https://www.dcnewsnow.com/news/local-news/washington-dc/capital-bikeshare-breaks-record-for-most-rides-in-single-day/

20,000 capital bikeshare rides in a month, a new record that is happening each month, is not "less popular" as you falsely assert. That doesn't include privately owned bikes.

The Metropolitan Washington Council of Governments transportation survey (far more authoritative than a press release from Capital Bikeshare) shows bicycling is becoming less popular, even after accounting for the rise of telework. In fact, it shows the *only* mode of transportation that is becoming more popular is driving.

This whole notion that if we just spend more and more and more money on bike stuff, people will start biking is clearly wrong.

You've trotted out the MWCOG survey before and have been shown how ineptly you were analyzing said survey data. You ignored the explanation then because it was inconvenient to your line of argument and are now trotting it out again in this misguided belief that people won't recognize you for being the disingenuous cyclophobe that you are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We have more than 150 miles of bike lanes. Seems like more than enough given how few people ride bikes.

We’ve built an entirely new transportation system, costing billions of dollars, for a tiny number of white guys who think they’re too good for the bus

Political power is getting a city with a 20 percent poverty rate, that’s cutting positions in schools because of budget constraints, to spend billions of dollars on your hobby

A sampling of what's in the mayor's new budget:

$84 million for bike trails
$56 million for Vision Zero
$52 million for bike bridge to Virginia
$32 million for bike safety
$11.5 million for bike bridge to Anacostia
$10 million for Capital Bikeshare

Let's see the citation for $84 million in bike trails.
The va bridge has already been shown to be a federal expense

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We have more than 150 miles of bike lanes. Seems like more than enough given how few people ride bikes.

We’ve built an entirely new transportation system, costing billions of dollars, for a tiny number of white guys who think they’re too good for the bus

Political power is getting a city with a 20 percent poverty rate, that’s cutting positions in schools because of budget constraints, to spend billions of dollars on your hobby

A sampling of what's in the mayor's new budget:

$84 million for bike trails
$56 million for Vision Zero
$52 million for bike bridge to Virginia
$32 million for bike safety
$11.5 million for bike bridge to Anacostia
$10 million for Capital Bikeshare

Let's see the citation for $84 million in bike trails.
The va bridge has already been shown to be a federal expense

It's all in the mayor's budget! It's on her web site. (also that $52 million is coming from DC, not the feds, which is why it's in her budget).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We have more than 150 miles of bike lanes. Seems like more than enough given how few people ride bikes.

We’ve built an entirely new transportation system, costing billions of dollars, for a tiny number of white guys who think they’re too good for the bus

Political power is getting a city with a 20 percent poverty rate, that’s cutting positions in schools because of budget constraints, to spend billions of dollars on your hobby

A sampling of what's in the mayor's new budget:

$84 million for bike trails
$56 million for Vision Zero
$52 million for bike bridge to Virginia
$32 million for bike safety
$11.5 million for bike bridge to Anacostia
$10 million for Capital Bikeshare

Meantime, the mayor's budget also calls for a 12 percent cut in school funding.

"...school leaders are bracing for 200 fewer full-time-equivalent school-based positions, from classroom teachers to janitors. Most of the losses will be among teachers, and the cuts in some of D.C.'s most underserved neighborhoods will be particularly deep, budget data shows."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2024/04/14/dc-school-staff-cuts-bowser-budget-proposal/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We have more than 150 miles of bike lanes. Seems like more than enough given how few people ride bikes.

We’ve built an entirely new transportation system, costing billions of dollars, for a tiny number of white guys who think they’re too good for the bus

Political power is getting a city with a 20 percent poverty rate, that’s cutting positions in schools because of budget constraints, to spend billions of dollars on your hobby

A sampling of what's in the mayor's new budget:

$84 million for bike trails
$56 million for Vision Zero
$52 million for bike bridge to Virginia
$32 million for bike safety
$11.5 million for bike bridge to Anacostia
$10 million for Capital Bikeshare

Let's see the citation for $84 million in bike trails.
The va bridge has already been shown to be a federal expense

It's all in the mayor's budget! It's on her web site. (also that $52 million is coming from DC, not the feds, which is why it's in her budget).

Show, don't tell. You made the claim, stand behind it.

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Anonymous wrote:We have more than 150 miles of bike lanes. Seems like more than enough given how few people ride bikes.

We’ve built an entirely new transportation system, costing billions of dollars, for a tiny number of white guys who think they’re too good for the bus

Political power is getting a city with a 20 percent poverty rate, that’s cutting positions in schools because of budget constraints, to spend billions of dollars on your hobby

A sampling of what's in the mayor's new budget:

$84 million for bike trails
$56 million for Vision Zero
$52 million for bike bridge to Virginia
$32 million for bike safety
$11.5 million for bike bridge to Anacostia
$10 million for Capital Bikeshare

Meantime, the mayor's budget also calls for a 12 percent cut in school funding.

"...school leaders are bracing for 200 fewer full-time-equivalent school-based positions, from classroom teachers to janitors. Most of the losses will be among teachers, and the cuts in some of D.C.'s most underserved neighborhoods will be particularly deep, budget data shows."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2024/04/14/dc-school-staff-cuts-bowser-budget-proposal/

Yes and the person you're currently talking with is a teacher (whose job is being cut, incidentally) and a biker. Don't try to pretend that this a struggle between money for schools and bike lanes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I see this type of driver behavior all.the.time.

But sure, its the bikes that are dangerous

What kind of creep is riding a bike alone on a Saturday night video taping as they cruise past a kids park? Weirdo.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I see this type of driver behavior all.the.time.

But sure, its the bikes that are dangerous

What kind of creep is riding a bike alone on a Saturday night video taping as they cruise past a kids park? Weirdo.

The same people who would drive in a car alone with a dashcam to get from point a to point b

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have more than 150 miles of bike lanes. Seems like more than enough given how few people ride bikes.

We’ve built an entirely new transportation system, costing billions of dollars, for a tiny number of white guys who think they’re too good for the bus

Political power is getting a city with a 20 percent poverty rate, that’s cutting positions in schools because of budget constraints, to spend billions of dollars on your hobby

A sampling of what's in the mayor's new budget:

$84 million for bike trails
$56 million for Vision Zero
$52 million for bike bridge to Virginia
$32 million for bike safety
$11.5 million for bike bridge to Anacostia
$10 million for Capital Bikeshare

Meantime, the mayor's budget also calls for a 12 percent cut in school funding.

"...school leaders are bracing for 200 fewer full-time-equivalent school-based positions, from classroom teachers to janitors. Most of the losses will be among teachers, and the cuts in some of D.C.'s most underserved neighborhoods will be particularly deep, budget data shows."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2024/04/14/dc-school-staff-cuts-bowser-budget-proposal/

Yes and the person you're currently talking with is a teacher (whose job is being cut, incidentally) and a biker. Don't try to pretend that this a struggle between money for schools and bike lanes.

Er, that's how budgets work. Budgets are statements of priorities, and every dollar that goes to one thing can't go to another. I'm sure if they were cutting taxes on rich people while cutting school positions you wouldn't make the *absurd* argument that they have nothing to do with each other.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have more than 150 miles of bike lanes. Seems like more than enough given how few people ride bikes.

We’ve built an entirely new transportation system, costing billions of dollars, for a tiny number of white guys who think they’re too good for the bus

Political power is getting a city with a 20 percent poverty rate, that’s cutting positions in schools because of budget constraints, to spend billions of dollars on your hobby

A sampling of what's in the mayor's new budget:

$84 million for bike trails
$56 million for Vision Zero
$52 million for bike bridge to Virginia
$32 million for bike safety
$11.5 million for bike bridge to Anacostia
$10 million for Capital Bikeshare

Meantime, the mayor's budget also calls for a 12 percent cut in school funding.

"...school leaders are bracing for 200 fewer full-time-equivalent school-based positions, from classroom teachers to janitors. Most of the losses will be among teachers, and the cuts in some of D.C.'s most underserved neighborhoods will be particularly deep, budget data shows."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2024/04/14/dc-school-staff-cuts-bowser-budget-proposal/

Yes and the person you're currently talking with is a teacher (whose job is being cut, incidentally) and a biker. Don't try to pretend that this a struggle between money for schools and bike lanes.

Er, that's how budgets work. Budgets are statements of priorities, and every dollar that goes to one thing can't go to another. I'm sure if they were cutting taxes on rich people while cutting school positions you wouldn't make the *absurd* argument that they have nothing to do with each other.

You're using fake numbers to try and create political wedges. Try and talk with dumber people.

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Anonymous wrote:We have more than 150 miles of bike lanes. Seems like more than enough given how few people ride bikes.

We’ve built an entirely new transportation system, costing billions of dollars, for a tiny number of white guys who think they’re too good for the bus

Political power is getting a city with a 20 percent poverty rate, that’s cutting positions in schools because of budget constraints, to spend billions of dollars on your hobby

A sampling of what's in the mayor's new budget:

$84 million for bike trails
$56 million for Vision Zero
$52 million for bike bridge to Virginia
$32 million for bike safety
$11.5 million for bike bridge to Anacostia
$10 million for Capital Bikeshare

Let's see the citation for $84 million in bike trails.
The va bridge has already been shown to be a federal expense

It's all in the mayor's budget! It's on her web site. (also that $52 million is coming from DC, not the feds, which is why it's in her budget).

Show, don't tell. You made the claim, stand behind it.

I already did. It's in the FY2025 budget. It's on her web site. You can search it using the word "bicycle" and you'll find that and many, many, many other very dubious projects.