New Season of True Detective on HBO

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Anonymous wrote:Rolling Stone loved the ending.

https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-recaps/true-detective-night-country-series-finale-recap-jodie-foster-1234967345/amp/

Rolling Stone is a literary street walker.

The much maligned Season 2 was significantly better than this one. How on earth would these cleaning ladies manage to escape detection? Were there no security cameras anywhere? More on point, scientists come and go to these types of research centers. The guys that were there six years ago would never be there now. The whole concept is ludicrous and beyond the suspension of disbelief. I can go on and on about how terrible this season was. In fact, I cannot think of anything good, although Jodie tried.

I don’t care what the sellouts over at Rolling Stone have to say about it.

I disliked the ending. The two female detectives were not only incompetent, they murdered a suspect (the abusive husband) and covered up every other murder we saw in the show. If the one lady had all her fingers they never would have never figured anything out. The audience had the benefit of the flashback where all the scientist murdered Annie but nobody except the scientist knew that. The cleaning lady found a murder weapon six years later and decides the best way to seek justice is murder all the scientist, then in doing so doesn't even catch the one most likely to have killed her (the one everyone suspected). The only decent person turned out to be the bar guy.

Er...you know this is True Detective, right? Morally ambiguous cops are a TD trademark.

Nothing was ambiguous, they were all idiots and murderers. All the detectives either committed or covered up every murder that took place. The scientist encouraged pollution (because that's how you extract delicate DNA) and flew into a murderous rage butchering Annie. Not one was like "hey let's not kill this woman". The cleaning ladies find a screwdriver in a secret ice cave after six years and decide to murder every scientist in the station. The same ice cave that was right next to the station but the "True Detectives" couldn't make that connection even though they had a map of the location. The writing terrible and made no sense.

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Did you notice how Clark lied to the detectives about not harming Annie himself, because he loved her? He told the truth about the scientists murdering her but didn't admit he was the one who finished the job. I wondered if he could then have been the one who cut out her tongue, because he was so angry at her and since he clearly didn't have a problem killing her.

And I guess he did believe that Annie came back and murdered everyone in revenge, and was afraid for himself.

Alternatively I think maybe the detective's father did it when he was dealing with the body? And since he accepted money from the mining companies maybe he would have been amenable to sending a message to the native people to keep your mouths shut or this will happen to you also.

I thought the murderous women didn't murder the scientists just because they murdered Annie, but also because they investigated the tunnel and found out about the pollution, and made the link that the mine was killing their community also. I could be wrong about that.

I'm glad the killer wasn't Navarro; I was worried that's where the series was going with the visions etc.

Have we seen the house Navarro and Jodie Foster are in at the end? I really liked PP's idea that it was Navarro's house out on the ice and Foster and kid were visiting, but I think it's more likely that it's Foster's house, and Navarro is "gone" to spirit world etc, but still visiting Foster like Foster asked. That's weird tho b/c Foster said she didn't think you were going to find Navarro out on the ice, which made me think she wasn't dead.

One last thing: Rose talked to the cop who killed his father with a lot of empathy about having killed someone. Does that mean Rose actually killed someone too, i.e., her boyfriend who spirit keeps returning? I don't remember her talking about killing someone else before.

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh, I hated the ending. I’m supposed to believe that an entire group of dorky scientists killed a young woman and then a group of cleaning ladies figured it out and enacted vigilante justice? Nope. No. No. Not on your life. Issa Lopez should stick to telenovelas. Shame on you HBO. Shame! Shame!

My friends all hated it. too woke.

This is such an incomplete observation. You need to be a lot more specific if you expect someone to understand what you’re trying to say here.

DP. The wokeness is so obvious PP didn’t think it needed to be made any clearer. Since you’re being obtuse, I will spell it out for you:

Bad guys = men, mostly White ones
Good guys = women, mostly Indigenous ones

Let’s see, the scientists are bad guys, so focused on their research, they don’t care about destroying a town or about polluting its pristine nature. The male cops are corrupt, too, except for Pete. Why is Pete good? Because he’s young and represents the hope that future men will be better, but only if he kills and buries his evil father and only if he submits to his Indigenous wife. Of course, Navarro’s boy toy is good for the same reason (submission) and his ethnicity.

And then there are the amazing women. Annie represents perfection, even though she’s breaking and entering and destroying private property. The ends justify the means (but only when it involves the pursuits of women—it doesn’t work that way for evil, mostly White male scientists).

Speaking of which, the cleaning ladies did nothing wrong. What’s the point of law and order? Fair trials? The police don’t care about Indigenous women, so why bother trying to use the system, ‘em I right?

No! If you look at the actual data, yes, many murders and disappearances of indigenous women do go unsolved and don’t even get investigated. But the evil White man actually has nothing to do with this. The murders and disappearances occur on autonomous Native American territory, where the evil US local governments have no jurisdiction and cannot investigate.

If you want to get real about helping indigenous women crime victims, you should put blame where blame is due: on tribal leadership.

But, that’s not here or there in this world, where the crimes committed by women are negligible and justified. It’s only men who must be punished for their transgressions.

I could go on, but I have work to do. Does that clear things up a little?

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Anonymous wrote:Did you notice how Clark lied to the detectives about not harming Annie himself, because he loved her? He told the truth about the scientists murdering her but didn't admit he was the one who finished the job. I wondered if he could then have been the one who cut out her tongue, because he was so angry at her and since he clearly didn't have a problem killing her.

And I guess he did believe that Annie came back and murdered everyone in revenge, and was afraid for himself.

Alternatively I think maybe the detective's father did it when he was dealing with the body? And since he accepted money from the mining companies maybe he would have been amenable to sending a message to the native people to keep your mouths shut or this will happen to you also.

I thought the murderous women didn't murder the scientists just because they murdered Annie, but also because they investigated the tunnel and found out about the pollution, and made the link that the mine was killing their community also. I could be wrong about that.

I'm glad the killer wasn't Navarro; I was worried that's where the series was going with the visions etc.

Have we seen the house Navarro and Jodie Foster are in at the end? I really liked PP's idea that it was Navarro's house out on the ice and Foster and kid were visiting, but I think it's more likely that it's Foster's house, and Navarro is "gone" to spirit world etc, but still visiting Foster like Foster asked. That's weird tho b/c Foster said she didn't think you were going to find Navarro out on the ice, which made me think she wasn't dead.

One last thing: Rose talked to the cop who killed his father with a lot of empathy about having killed someone. Does that mean Rose actually killed someone too, i.e., her boyfriend who spirit keeps returning? I don't remember her talking about killing someone else before.

I wondered this for the same reason. Also bc she was very adept at getting rid of bodies.

[Anonymous]

It's so insulting that this TV movie ripping off fortitude was stretched into a series with the True Detective name tacked on. Every episode worse than the one before.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ugh, I hated the ending. I’m supposed to believe that an entire group of dorky scientists killed a young woman and then a group of cleaning ladies figured it out and enacted vigilante justice? Nope. No. No. Not on your life. Issa Lopez should stick to telenovelas. Shame on you HBO. Shame! Shame!

+100
So utterly ridiculous. I can’t believe Jodi Foster (and Matthew McConaughey!) signed off on this. The entire ice cave scene was so cringy. Sure, let’s explore a remote, treacherous ice cave, in the middle of a blizzard, with no equipment or supplies, and no way to mark our path so we can find our way out. I was actually groaning out loud at how stupid it all was.

And the interview of Danvers at the end actually brought home how awful this was in comparison to Season 1 when Matthew McConaughey’s tortured detective is being interviewed in the most extraordinary scenes and acting.

What a dismal failure.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's Navarro's spirit on the porch at the end, visiting Danvers like Travis visits Rose. Rose said to Navarro early in the season that the dead come back to visit. I think Navarro is dead.

I agree with this interpretation. I wasn't even sure if Danvers could physically SEE Navarro there, though she might have sensed her.

DP. So did Danvers move to a different house?

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's Navarro's spirit on the porch at the end, visiting Danvers like Travis visits Rose. Rose said to Navarro early in the season that the dead come back to visit. I think Navarro is dead.

I agree with this interpretation. I wasn't even sure if Danvers could physically SEE Navarro there, though she might have sensed her.

DP. So did Danvers move to a different house?

I would have thought if she were alive they would have sat next to each other and talk to each other. Unclear who or what house it is. Was Danvers driving her step-daughter home or road trip?

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Anonymous wrote:Rolling Stone loved the ending.

https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-recaps/true-detective-night-country-series-finale-recap-jodie-foster-1234967345/amp/

OMG. Who paid the author off?

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I wish there had been a little more explanation of Danvers’ husband and Holden in the car crash. Was Leah there too? Who was driving? That whole situation is unclear to me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ugh, I hated the ending. I’m supposed to believe that an entire group of dorky scientists killed a young woman and then a group of cleaning ladies figured it out and enacted vigilante justice? Nope. No. No. Not on your life. Issa Lopez should stick to telenovelas. Shame on you HBO. Shame! Shame!

My friends all hated it. too woke.

This is such an incomplete observation. You need to be a lot more specific if you expect someone to understand what you’re trying to say here.

Full of bloat and wokeness. https://worthitorwoke.com/true-detective-night-country-season-4/. google true detective woke.

This was hilariously on point - much more so than that fawning Rolling Stone drivel.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:Were we to think that Rose murdered someone in her prior life before Alaska?

I think she probably killed her husband out of mercy, as he was dying of cancer. He probably asked her to do so. So she knew exactly what to do out on the ice.

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In retrospect I think most the flaws in the season are a result of the writers working backward from the fact that the scientist as a group killed Annie K and deserved to die in a horrific way. The writers wanted it to be a story about justice for Annie. There was an undercurrent of animosity/ambivalence towards the scientists throughout that seemed to color the everyone's behaviors. No interrogating Rose, taking selfies at the crime scene, leaving the scientist uncovered in an ice rink, bad investigation at the station (they didn't find any evidence of the 10+ vigilante women), no contacting victims families. It dehumanized the scientist from the start. If it wasn't labeled True Detective this subversion of assumptions would have been easier to enjoy but I felt it was very bad at what True Detective was good at in past seasons.

[Anonymous]

Well haters, the ratings were fantastic and Issa got the next season. I love that a woman told a story about the oppression of indigenous people (especially women), and the nature of trauma and grief.

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Anonymous wrote:Well haters, the ratings were fantastic and Issa got the next season. I love that a woman told a story about the oppression of indigenous people (especially women), and the nature of trauma and grief.

To me Lopez painted women and indigenous people as irrational, incompetent, and impulsive
-Both female lead detectives were terrible at their jobs. Couldn't figure out that a dozen random cleaning ladies stormed the station on initial investigation. Couldn't figure out the caves were under the station when they had a map. Killed or attacked the domestic violence guys in the only other cases we saw them investigate. Let the cleaning ladies go. Encouraged the coverup of the elder Prior's death
-Cop and her sister commit suicide because they see ghosts. To me it is insulting to portray that suicide is a noble death for the indigenous women and they did it twice!
-Cleaning ladies find a drill bit six years after the fact and decide storming the station and killing the ALL the scientists is the way to go without any evidence which scientists actually killed Annie

The most redeeming characters were the young male cop (killed his dad), Rose (disposed of bodies) and the bar guy.