Protest at Mundo on P street

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Anonymous wrote:If Mundo's really the only school in the city where Latino families are respected, why is it having a hard time filling seats? I would think people would want to attend...

No one said it was the only school where this but why are you so happy to lose a good option?

Personally, I'm not happy that Mundo is flailing. But I disagree that it's a good option. Terrible academic performance (relative to demographics) and terrible management. I've thought this for years and I'm happy that people are finally opening their eyes to the reality, even if it's hard.

I firmly believe that the fundamental commitment of charter schools-- that low performance means closure-- isn't just for kids east of the river. We seldom see closure of higher-income schools, because it takes an awful lot of malpractice to get there, but the rules are the rules. It shouldn't be something we only do to poor communities.

Look, I think the administration of MV is a sh*t show. But what does the bolded mean? How do you define "low performance"? Dumb take.

Under DC law, the PCSB is to review each school at least every five years. The PCSB gives ratings and ultimately schools with low performance can be closed. They are willing to do PIPs and extensions (for far too many years) but ultimately they do have to shut down failing schools. The rating system has been on hiatus during COVID, but is being re-designed and will return soon. I predict MV will not impress anyone, but will not be bad enough to be closed. Yet.

The other way schools fail is losing enrollment and becoming financially non-viable. That's also a possibility in the coming years if MV doesn't get itself sorted out.

If schools like Shining Stars are still open than no way MV is closed.

You can see the review schedule here: https://dcpcsb.org/charter-reviews-and-renewals SSMA and MV are both up for 15-year review in 2025-26. I do not think they will be closed, but I would like to see them get some conditions. Of course, the PCSB is usually really, really lenient and lets schools flail for a long time before actually closing them. But sometimes they'll apply conditions or require a plan of improvement. I think the question for both SSMA and MV is how can they stop their attrition, and should they accept that they simply cannot operate a full-scale upper grades program?

The 24-25 review cycle also contains some marginal schools. It will be interesting to see.

Has PCSB shut down ANY charters? It just seems unlikely. Please prove me wrong.

What a weird question. Of course they have. It doesn't happen very often because sometimes schools see it coming and voluntarily fold or merge with another school.

This list is from 2019, but just for example, they've closed or accepted charter relinquishment from part of Cesar Chavez, National Collegiate Prep, Seed Middle School, City Arts & Prep, Democracy Prep, and many others.

https://dcpcsb.egnyte.com/dl/sK1pkdcndM

Chavez, 75% at-risk, 96% Black
National Collegiate, 74% at-risk, 99% Black
Seed Middle, 62% at-risk, 98% Black
Democracy Prep, 76% at-risk, 98% Black

Mundo Verde, 12% at-risk, 18% Black

See the difference? PCSB isn't touching this school.

Racism and discrimination are real. When people like you make nonsensical arguments you undermine efforts from people fighting real discrimination and racism. Fake SJW like you make it harder to fight real battles. You do more damage to our cause than overtly racist MAGA folks. If you get past the fact that those schools had abysmal educational outcomes that are incomparable to MV's, you are left with the base of your argument: poor and black kids should receive substandard educations so people like you can win PR battles.

You don't give a damn about black and brown kids' education. You care only about having a talking point and an axe to grind. We don't need right wing nut jobs to keep black folks down when people like you do it for them. Fool.

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Anonymous wrote:Spend some time at oyster or Bancroft, or at highly Latino DCPS schools like Seaton. All kinds of Latino families (working class, middle class, and wealthy) and they are happy.

Oyster has a mile long wait list.

Bancroft is nowhere near my house.

Season isn’t much better than Mundo and is not bilingual.

But to you we should be happy to be educated right? Brown is brown.

Lady, I'm a brown person, and my two kids go to Seaton. We've been there for years. Yesterday, we had a day-long multicultural celebration where each class celebrated a different culture where at least one student from the class had a family heritage. El Salvador, Haiti, Mexico, the DR, china, many many many more -- families brought food, kids dressed up, everyone was beaming all day long.

In addition to that, we have an ESL teacher ( a fully qualified master degree having teacher) attached to every grade to make sure that all the ESL kids are thriving. This is in addition to the fully qualified homeroom teachers for ELA and Math.

The principal and AP are both Latino and all correspondence/meetings/events are bilingual.

What does this have to do with Mundo?

Responding to the person who thinks DCPS "treats Latinos like garbage"

To be clear the response was “there is a multicultural day and that is the same as learning the language of your family”

Then more glee about schoolchildren losing their community and not getting a good education.

It's not glee..but this is a charter school. Every parent has the option to walk into their IB school with a proof of address at any moment, and their child will be educated. So that reality is underlying the protest -- that is their option.

What about the children of teachers and staff who live outside the District and need their child to be at Mundo because they can’t get home in time to pick their kid up and don’t have a partner or village or resources to pay for aftercare etc.? For those people Mundo is not choice and their kids deserve an education too.

Is this really happening???

Highly unlikely. If they live outside of the District, they have to pay tuition but that's only if there are no DC resident children waitlisted.

Since Mundo clears its waitlist in the upper grades, it totally could happen, if anyone wanted to pay tuition.

This right here is why DCUM is no better then MAGA conspiracy theorists on Twitter. There are no tuition paying students at MV. We know this because it is an audited and published number.

P.S. What is really going to blow your mind is there were 3 at School Without Walls. Enjoy that data point while you contemplate DC residents were shut out.

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Anonymous wrote:Spend some time at oyster or Bancroft, or at highly Latino DCPS schools like Seaton. All kinds of Latino families (working class, middle class, and wealthy) and they are happy.

Oyster has a mile long wait list.

Bancroft is nowhere near my house.

Season isn’t much better than Mundo and is not bilingual.

But to you we should be happy to be educated right? Brown is brown.

Lady, I'm a brown person, and my two kids go to Seaton. We've been there for years. Yesterday, we had a day-long multicultural celebration where each class celebrated a different culture where at least one student from the class had a family heritage. El Salvador, Haiti, Mexico, the DR, china, many many many more -- families brought food, kids dressed up, everyone was beaming all day long.

In addition to that, we have an ESL teacher ( a fully qualified master degree having teacher) attached to every grade to make sure that all the ESL kids are thriving. This is in addition to the fully qualified homeroom teachers for ELA and Math.

The principal and AP are both Latino and all correspondence/meetings/events are bilingual.

What does this have to do with Mundo?

Responding to the person who thinks DCPS "treats Latinos like garbage"

To be clear the response was “there is a multicultural day and that is the same as learning the language of your family”

Then more glee about schoolchildren losing their community and not getting a good education.

It's not glee..but this is a charter school. Every parent has the option to walk into their IB school with a proof of address at any moment, and their child will be educated. So that reality is underlying the protest -- that is their option.

What about the children of teachers and staff who live outside the District and need their child to be at Mundo because they can’t get home in time to pick their kid up and don’t have a partner or village or resources to pay for aftercare etc.? For those people Mundo is not choice and their kids deserve an education too.

Is this really happening???

Highly unlikely. If they live outside of the District, they have to pay tuition but that's only if there are no DC resident children waitlisted.

Since Mundo clears its waitlist in the upper grades, it totally could happen, if anyone wanted to pay tuition.

This right here is why DCUM is no better then MAGA conspiracy theorists on Twitter. There are no tuition paying students at MV. We know this because it is an audited and published number.

P.S. What is really going to blow your mind is there were 3 at School Without Walls. Enjoy that data point while you contemplate DC residents were shut out.

I assume these are seniors invoking the DCPS “terminal year” rule. For students with one parent living in Virginia it may be part of a plan to pay in-state tuition.

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It makes me sad but there is really no hope for MV on upper grades. If your kids have a good experience it is luck. We left and I am so glad.

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Anonymous wrote:Spend some time at oyster or Bancroft, or at highly Latino DCPS schools like Seaton. All kinds of Latino families (working class, middle class, and wealthy) and they are happy.

Oyster has a mile long wait list.

Bancroft is nowhere near my house.

Season isn’t much better than Mundo and is not bilingual.

But to you we should be happy to be educated right? Brown is brown.

Lady, I'm a brown person, and my two kids go to Seaton. We've been there for years. Yesterday, we had a day-long multicultural celebration where each class celebrated a different culture where at least one student from the class had a family heritage. El Salvador, Haiti, Mexico, the DR, china, many many many more -- families brought food, kids dressed up, everyone was beaming all day long.

In addition to that, we have an ESL teacher ( a fully qualified master degree having teacher) attached to every grade to make sure that all the ESL kids are thriving. This is in addition to the fully qualified homeroom teachers for ELA and Math.

The principal and AP are both Latino and all correspondence/meetings/events are bilingual.

What does this have to do with Mundo?

Responding to the person who thinks DCPS "treats Latinos like garbage"

To be clear the response was “there is a multicultural day and that is the same as learning the language of your family”

Then more glee about schoolchildren losing their community and not getting a good education.

It's not glee..but this is a charter school. Every parent has the option to walk into their IB school with a proof of address at any moment, and their child will be educated. So that reality is underlying the protest -- that is their option.

What about the children of teachers and staff who live outside the District and need their child to be at Mundo because they can’t get home in time to pick their kid up and don’t have a partner or village or resources to pay for aftercare etc.? For those people Mundo is not choice and their kids deserve an education too.

Is this really happening???

Highly unlikely. If they live outside of the District, they have to pay tuition but that's only if there are no DC resident children waitlisted.

Since Mundo clears its waitlist in the upper grades, it totally could happen, if anyone wanted to pay tuition.

This right here is why DCUM is no better then MAGA conspiracy theorists on Twitter. There are no tuition paying students at MV. We know this because it is an audited and published number.

P.S. What is really going to blow your mind is there were 3 at School Without Walls. Enjoy that data point while you contemplate DC residents were shut out.

I assume these are seniors invoking the DCPS “terminal year” rule. For students with one parent living in Virginia it may be part of a plan to pay in-state tuition.

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Those three kids moved the summer after their junior year and petitioned to stay at the school for senior year and pay tuition. They didn’t take spots from DC residents, the senior class remained the same size as did the freshmen class.

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Anonymous wrote:Spend some time at oyster or Bancroft, or at highly Latino DCPS schools like Seaton. All kinds of Latino families (working class, middle class, and wealthy) and they are happy.

Oyster has a mile long wait list.

Bancroft is nowhere near my house.

Season isn’t much better than Mundo and is not bilingual.

But to you we should be happy to be educated right? Brown is brown.

Lady, I'm a brown person, and my two kids go to Seaton. We've been there for years. Yesterday, we had a day-long multicultural celebration where each class celebrated a different culture where at least one student from the class had a family heritage. El Salvador, Haiti, Mexico, the DR, china, many many many more -- families brought food, kids dressed up, everyone was beaming all day long.

In addition to that, we have an ESL teacher ( a fully qualified master degree having teacher) attached to every grade to make sure that all the ESL kids are thriving. This is in addition to the fully qualified homeroom teachers for ELA and Math.

The principal and AP are both Latino and all correspondence/meetings/events are bilingual.

What does this have to do with Mundo?

Responding to the person who thinks DCPS "treats Latinos like garbage"

To be clear the response was “there is a multicultural day and that is the same as learning the language of your family”

Then more glee about schoolchildren losing their community and not getting a good education.

It's not glee..but this is a charter school. Every parent has the option to walk into their IB school with a proof of address at any moment, and their child will be educated. So that reality is underlying the protest -- that is their option.

What about the children of teachers and staff who live outside the District and need their child to be at Mundo because they can’t get home in time to pick their kid up and don’t have a partner or village or resources to pay for aftercare etc.? For those people Mundo is not choice and their kids deserve an education too.

Is this really happening???

Highly unlikely. If they live outside of the District, they have to pay tuition but that's only if there are no DC resident children waitlisted.

Since Mundo clears its waitlist in the upper grades, it totally could happen, if anyone wanted to pay tuition.

This right here is why DCUM is no better then MAGA conspiracy theorists on Twitter. There are no tuition paying students at MV. We know this because it is an audited and published number.

P.S. What is really going to blow your mind is there were 3 at School Without Walls. Enjoy that data point while you contemplate DC residents were shut out.

I assume these are seniors invoking the DCPS “terminal year” rule. For students with one parent living in Virginia it may be part of a plan to pay in-state tuition.

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Those three kids moved the summer after their junior year and petitioned to stay at the school for senior year and pay tuition. They didn’t take spots from DC residents, the senior class remained the same size as did the freshmen class.

PP again and it is within DCPS rules to petition to remain for your senior year.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s easy to forget this in the DCUM bubble, but many families don’t have the option to leave. And those kids deserve an education.

Maybe not in pre-K, but by kindergarten there are seats at many better schools without these issues, just not at HRCSs with a DCI preference…

Can this really be called a “HRCS”?

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Anonymous wrote:Spend some time at oyster or Bancroft, or at highly Latino DCPS schools like Seaton. All kinds of Latino families (working class, middle class, and wealthy) and they are happy.

Oyster has a mile long wait list.

Bancroft is nowhere near my house.

Season isn’t much better than Mundo and is not bilingual.

But to you we should be happy to be educated right? Brown is brown.

Lady, I'm a brown person, and my two kids go to Seaton. We've been there for years. Yesterday, we had a day-long multicultural celebration where each class celebrated a different culture where at least one student from the class had a family heritage. El Salvador, Haiti, Mexico, the DR, china, many many many more -- families brought food, kids dressed up, everyone was beaming all day long.

In addition to that, we have an ESL teacher ( a fully qualified master degree having teacher) attached to every grade to make sure that all the ESL kids are thriving. This is in addition to the fully qualified homeroom teachers for ELA and Math.

The principal and AP are both Latino and all correspondence/meetings/events are bilingual.

What does this have to do with Mundo?

Responding to the person who thinks DCPS "treats Latinos like garbage"

To be clear the response was “there is a multicultural day and that is the same as learning the language of your family”

Then more glee about schoolchildren losing their community and not getting a good education.

It's not glee..but this is a charter school. Every parent has the option to walk into their IB school with a proof of address at any moment, and their child will be educated. So that reality is underlying the protest -- that is their option.

What about the children of teachers and staff who live outside the District and need their child to be at Mundo because they can’t get home in time to pick their kid up and don’t have a partner or village or resources to pay for aftercare etc.? For those people Mundo is not choice and their kids deserve an education too.

Is this really happening???

Highly unlikely. If they live outside of the District, they have to pay tuition but that's only if there are no DC resident children waitlisted.

Since Mundo clears its waitlist in the upper grades, it totally could happen, if anyone wanted to pay tuition.

This right here is why DCUM is no better then MAGA conspiracy theorists on Twitter. There are no tuition paying students at MV. We know this because it is an audited and published number.

P.S. What is really going to blow your mind is there were 3 at School Without Walls. Enjoy that data point while you contemplate DC residents were shut out.

I assume these are seniors invoking the DCPS “terminal year” rule. For students with one parent living in Virginia it may be part of a plan to pay in-state tuition.

+1

Those three kids moved the summer after their junior year and petitioned to stay at the school for senior year and pay tuition. They didn’t take spots from DC residents, the senior class remained the same size as did the freshmen class.

Because there were no kids in 11th grade at other DC schools who would have moved to Walls if given the chance?

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Anonymous wrote:If Mundo's really the only school in the city where Latino families are respected, why is it having a hard time filling seats? I would think people would want to attend...

No one said it was the only school where this but why are you so happy to lose a good option?

Personally, I'm not happy that Mundo is flailing. But I disagree that it's a good option. Terrible academic performance (relative to demographics) and terrible management. I've thought this for years and I'm happy that people are finally opening their eyes to the reality, even if it's hard.

I firmly believe that the fundamental commitment of charter schools-- that low performance means closure-- isn't just for kids east of the river. We seldom see closure of higher-income schools, because it takes an awful lot of malpractice to get there, but the rules are the rules. It shouldn't be something we only do to poor communities.

Look, I think the administration of MV is a sh*t show. But what does the bolded mean? How do you define "low performance"? Dumb take.

Under DC law, the PCSB is to review each school at least every five years. The PCSB gives ratings and ultimately schools with low performance can be closed. They are willing to do PIPs and extensions (for far too many years) but ultimately they do have to shut down failing schools. The rating system has been on hiatus during COVID, but is being re-designed and will return soon. I predict MV will not impress anyone, but will not be bad enough to be closed. Yet.

The other way schools fail is losing enrollment and becoming financially non-viable. That's also a possibility in the coming years if MV doesn't get itself sorted out.

If schools like Shining Stars are still open than no way MV is closed.

You can see the review schedule here: https://dcpcsb.org/charter-reviews-and-renewals SSMA and MV are both up for 15-year review in 2025-26. I do not think they will be closed, but I would like to see them get some conditions. Of course, the PCSB is usually really, really lenient and lets schools flail for a long time before actually closing them. But sometimes they'll apply conditions or require a plan of improvement. I think the question for both SSMA and MV is how can they stop their attrition, and should they accept that they simply cannot operate a full-scale upper grades program?

The 24-25 review cycle also contains some marginal schools. It will be interesting to see.

Has PCSB shut down ANY charters? It just seems unlikely. Please prove me wrong.

What a weird question. Of course they have. It doesn't happen very often because sometimes schools see it coming and voluntarily fold or merge with another school.

This list is from 2019, but just for example, they've closed or accepted charter relinquishment from part of Cesar Chavez, National Collegiate Prep, Seed Middle School, City Arts & Prep, Democracy Prep, and many others.

https://dcpcsb.egnyte.com/dl/sK1pkdcndM

Some of those schools were open for 20 years before PCSB closed them. Most closed on their own, some because they didn’t have the funds to even pay their teachers. PCSB is an absolute joke.

Have you thought at ALL about how disruptive it is to those hundreds of students when their schools are suddenly closed? Sure, their in-bounds DCPS “have” to take them, but obviously they chose not to go there in the first place for a reason. In some cases taking all of those displaced kids would be a huge burden on individual DCPS schools. It’s not as simple as just closing any school that has a crappy admin.

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Anonymous wrote:If Mundo's really the only school in the city where Latino families are respected, why is it having a hard time filling seats? I would think people would want to attend...

No one said it was the only school where this but why are you so happy to lose a good option?

Personally, I'm not happy that Mundo is flailing. But I disagree that it's a good option. Terrible academic performance (relative to demographics) and terrible management. I've thought this for years and I'm happy that people are finally opening their eyes to the reality, even if it's hard.

I firmly believe that the fundamental commitment of charter schools-- that low performance means closure-- isn't just for kids east of the river. We seldom see closure of higher-income schools, because it takes an awful lot of malpractice to get there, but the rules are the rules. It shouldn't be something we only do to poor communities.

Look, I think the administration of MV is a sh*t show. But what does the bolded mean? How do you define "low performance"? Dumb take.

Under DC law, the PCSB is to review each school at least every five years. The PCSB gives ratings and ultimately schools with low performance can be closed. They are willing to do PIPs and extensions (for far too many years) but ultimately they do have to shut down failing schools. The rating system has been on hiatus during COVID, but is being re-designed and will return soon. I predict MV will not impress anyone, but will not be bad enough to be closed. Yet.

The other way schools fail is losing enrollment and becoming financially non-viable. That's also a possibility in the coming years if MV doesn't get itself sorted out.

If schools like Shining Stars are still open than no way MV is closed.

You can see the review schedule here: https://dcpcsb.org/charter-reviews-and-renewals SSMA and MV are both up for 15-year review in 2025-26. I do not think they will be closed, but I would like to see them get some conditions. Of course, the PCSB is usually really, really lenient and lets schools flail for a long time before actually closing them. But sometimes they'll apply conditions or require a plan of improvement. I think the question for both SSMA and MV is how can they stop their attrition, and should they accept that they simply cannot operate a full-scale upper grades program?

The 24-25 review cycle also contains some marginal schools. It will be interesting to see.

Has PCSB shut down ANY charters? It just seems unlikely. Please prove me wrong.

What a weird question. Of course they have. It doesn't happen very often because sometimes schools see it coming and voluntarily fold or merge with another school.

This list is from 2019, but just for example, they've closed or accepted charter relinquishment from part of Cesar Chavez, National Collegiate Prep, Seed Middle School, City Arts & Prep, Democracy Prep, and many others.

https://dcpcsb.egnyte.com/dl/sK1pkdcndM

Some of those schools were open for 20 years before PCSB closed them. Most closed on their own, some because they didn’t have the funds to even pay their teachers. PCSB is an absolute joke.

Have you thought at ALL about how disruptive it is to those hundreds of students when their schools are suddenly closed? Sure, their in-bounds DCPS “have” to take them, but obviously they chose not to go there in the first place for a reason. In some cases taking all of those displaced kids would be a huge burden on individual DCPS schools. It’s not as simple as just closing any school that has a crappy admin.

Of course. This is why I criticize the PCSB for licensing schools that are unlikely to succeed. The deck is stacked for closures already when they don't have a high bar for new openings.But that's the deal with charter schools. Perform and pay your bills, or be closed. Sometimes DCPS will take over a school (see Height, Excel). Sometimes another charter will step in, or offer to take the kids as a group. FWIW, in my experience the displaced kids do not tend to flock to any one particular school in significant numbers. If they wanted to go to their IB they would already go there, so they tend to distribute across a lot of alternatives. I don't think it's a good enough reason to maintain a low-performing school forever and ever. The PCSB gives a lot of extensions but eventually it's time to call it.

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Anonymous wrote:If Mundo's really the only school in the city where Latino families are respected, why is it having a hard time filling seats? I would think people would want to attend...

No one said it was the only school where this but why are you so happy to lose a good option?

Personally, I'm not happy that Mundo is flailing. But I disagree that it's a good option. Terrible academic performance (relative to demographics) and terrible management. I've thought this for years and I'm happy that people are finally opening their eyes to the reality, even if it's hard.

I firmly believe that the fundamental commitment of charter schools-- that low performance means closure-- isn't just for kids east of the river. We seldom see closure of higher-income schools, because it takes an awful lot of malpractice to get there, but the rules are the rules. It shouldn't be something we only do to poor communities.

Look, I think the administration of MV is a sh*t show. But what does the bolded mean? How do you define "low performance"? Dumb take.

Under DC law, the PCSB is to review each school at least every five years. The PCSB gives ratings and ultimately schools with low performance can be closed. They are willing to do PIPs and extensions (for far too many years) but ultimately they do have to shut down failing schools. The rating system has been on hiatus during COVID, but is being re-designed and will return soon. I predict MV will not impress anyone, but will not be bad enough to be closed. Yet.

The other way schools fail is losing enrollment and becoming financially non-viable. That's also a possibility in the coming years if MV doesn't get itself sorted out.

If schools like Shining Stars are still open than no way MV is closed.

You can see the review schedule here: https://dcpcsb.org/charter-reviews-and-renewals SSMA and MV are both up for 15-year review in 2025-26. I do not think they will be closed, but I would like to see them get some conditions. Of course, the PCSB is usually really, really lenient and lets schools flail for a long time before actually closing them. But sometimes they'll apply conditions or require a plan of improvement. I think the question for both SSMA and MV is how can they stop their attrition, and should they accept that they simply cannot operate a full-scale upper grades program?

The 24-25 review cycle also contains some marginal schools. It will be interesting to see.

Has PCSB shut down ANY charters? It just seems unlikely. Please prove me wrong.

What a weird question. Of course they have. It doesn't happen very often because sometimes schools see it coming and voluntarily fold or merge with another school.

This list is from 2019, but just for example, they've closed or accepted charter relinquishment from part of Cesar Chavez, National Collegiate Prep, Seed Middle School, City Arts & Prep, Democracy Prep, and many others.

https://dcpcsb.egnyte.com/dl/sK1pkdcndM

Some of those schools were open for 20 years before PCSB closed them. Most closed on their own, some because they didn’t have the funds to even pay their teachers. PCSB is an absolute joke.

Have you thought at ALL about how disruptive it is to those hundreds of students when their schools are suddenly closed? Sure, their in-bounds DCPS “have” to take them, but obviously they chose not to go there in the first place for a reason. In some cases taking all of those displaced kids would be a huge burden on individual DCPS schools. It’s not as simple as just closing any school that has a crappy admin.

This is what MV should never have been allowed to expand.

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Anonymous wrote:If Mundo's really the only school in the city where Latino families are respected, why is it having a hard time filling seats? I would think people would want to attend...

No one said it was the only school where this but why are you so happy to lose a good option?

Personally, I'm not happy that Mundo is flailing. But I disagree that it's a good option. Terrible academic performance (relative to demographics) and terrible management. I've thought this for years and I'm happy that people are finally opening their eyes to the reality, even if it's hard.

I firmly believe that the fundamental commitment of charter schools-- that low performance means closure-- isn't just for kids east of the river. We seldom see closure of higher-income schools, because it takes an awful lot of malpractice to get there, but the rules are the rules. It shouldn't be something we only do to poor communities.

Look, I think the administration of MV is a sh*t show. But what does the bolded mean? How do you define "low performance"? Dumb take.

Under DC law, the PCSB is to review each school at least every five years. The PCSB gives ratings and ultimately schools with low performance can be closed. They are willing to do PIPs and extensions (for far too many years) but ultimately they do have to shut down failing schools. The rating system has been on hiatus during COVID, but is being re-designed and will return soon. I predict MV will not impress anyone, but will not be bad enough to be closed. Yet.

The other way schools fail is losing enrollment and becoming financially non-viable. That's also a possibility in the coming years if MV doesn't get itself sorted out.

If schools like Shining Stars are still open than no way MV is closed.

You can see the review schedule here: https://dcpcsb.org/charter-reviews-and-renewals SSMA and MV are both up for 15-year review in 2025-26. I do not think they will be closed, but I would like to see them get some conditions. Of course, the PCSB is usually really, really lenient and lets schools flail for a long time before actually closing them. But sometimes they'll apply conditions or require a plan of improvement. I think the question for both SSMA and MV is how can they stop their attrition, and should they accept that they simply cannot operate a full-scale upper grades program?

The 24-25 review cycle also contains some marginal schools. It will be interesting to see.

Has PCSB shut down ANY charters? It just seems unlikely. Please prove me wrong.

What a weird question. Of course they have. It doesn't happen very often because sometimes schools see it coming and voluntarily fold or merge with another school.

This list is from 2019, but just for example, they've closed or accepted charter relinquishment from part of Cesar Chavez, National Collegiate Prep, Seed Middle School, City Arts & Prep, Democracy Prep, and many others.

https://dcpcsb.egnyte.com/dl/sK1pkdcndM

Some of those schools were open for 20 years before PCSB closed them. Most closed on their own, some because they didn’t have the funds to even pay their teachers. PCSB is an absolute joke.

Have you thought at ALL about how disruptive it is to those hundreds of students when their schools are suddenly closed? Sure, their in-bounds DCPS “have” to take them, but obviously they chose not to go there in the first place for a reason. In some cases taking all of those displaced kids would be a huge burden on individual DCPS schools. It’s not as simple as just closing any school that has a crappy admin.

This is what MV should never have been allowed to expand.

Exactly. The writing was on the wall from the beginning, and now we have two mediocre schools instead of one good one. Thanks, PCSB!

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I totally agree with the above. And I think the new PCSB leadership was correct to take a pause on authorizing post-pandemic and I’m relieved they seem to have gotten much stricter about what they allow. I have no idea why they thought Mundo was capable of replicating. They saw a long waitlist (“demand”) and for some reason ignored every red flag.

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Anonymous wrote:I totally agree with the above. And I think the new PCSB leadership was correct to take a pause on authorizing post-pandemic and I’m relieved they seem to have gotten much stricter about what they allow. I have no idea why they thought Mundo was capable of replicating. They saw a long waitlist (“demand”) and for some reason ignored every red flag.

And their disingenuous "end the list" rhetoric. Well, the list is gone for all elementary grades. Are you happy now?

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Bumping this thread for an update. How's it going, Mundo parents?