Prince Harry’s book

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Anonymous wrote:It's disappointing that so many people on this thread clearly haven't read the book yet feel confident in opining. I'm appalled by the British class system and how it protects pedos like Prince Andrew. I was interested in Spare because of the chance it offered to see behind the curtain - and it did not disappoint. Harry's got a GREAT voice for audiobooks and listening to it was very easy and pleasant. The dysfunction he describes resonates with me and my experiences with a dysfunctional 'family'. I also suspect he has learning disabilities. He, clearly, has anxiety/depression that was untreated for most of his life. It seems he's on a path that's good for him.

As someone who also married into a family with strong ideas about the role of a wife and women, I can really sympathize with Megan. I wouldn't want my DD marrying into that family nor the institution.

I agree it’s appalling, and Harry should be speaking out vehemently about his uncle. But he doesn’t, because he supports it overall, and he’s friends with Eugenie. It would be easier to support him if he were anti-monarchy than wanting to have been more privileged within the monarchy

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's disappointing that so many people on this thread clearly haven't read the book yet feel confident in opining. I'm appalled by the British class system and how it protects pedos like Prince Andrew. I was interested in Spare because of the chance it offered to see behind the curtain - and it did not disappoint. Harry's got a GREAT voice for audiobooks and listening to it was very easy and pleasant. The dysfunction he describes resonates with me and my experiences with a dysfunctional 'family'. I also suspect he has learning disabilities. He, clearly, has anxiety/depression that was untreated for most of his life. It seems he's on a path that's good for him.

As someone who also married into a family with strong ideas about the role of a wife and women, I can really sympathize with Megan. I wouldn't want my DD marrying into that family nor the institution.

I agree it’s appalling, and Harry should be speaking out vehemently about his uncle. But he doesn’t, because he supports it overall, and he’s friends with Eugenie. It would be easier to support him if he were anti-monarchy than wanting to have been more privileged within the monarchy

I’m curious. Do you think the other members of the British Royal Family should be speaking out against Andrew? His siblings for example? King Charles? Or just Harry?
And how would people “support him” — beyond buying his book?

I think Harry carefully focused on himself as much as possible, in his memoirs. I, personally, don’t think he “should” be speaking out about anything beyond that, although, of course, that’s up to him.

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Anonymous wrote:It's disappointing that so many people on this thread clearly haven't read the book yet feel confident in opining. I'm appalled by the British class system and how it protects pedos like Prince Andrew. I was interested in Spare because of the chance it offered to see behind the curtain - and it did not disappoint. Harry's got a GREAT voice for audiobooks and listening to it was very easy and pleasant. The dysfunction he describes resonates with me and my experiences with a dysfunctional 'family'. I also suspect he has learning disabilities. He, clearly, has anxiety/depression that was untreated for most of his life. It seems he's on a path that's good for him.

As someone who also married into a family with strong ideas about the role of a wife and women, I can really sympathize with Megan. I wouldn't want my DD marrying into that family nor the institution.

I agree it’s appalling, and Harry should be speaking out vehemently about his uncle. But he doesn’t, because he supports it overall, and he’s friends with Eugenie. It would be easier to support him if he were anti-monarchy than wanting to have been more privileged within the monarchy

I’m curious. Do you think the other members of the British Royal Family should be speaking out against Andrew? His siblings for example? King Charles? Or just Harry?
And how would people “support him” — beyond buying his book?

I think Harry carefully focused on himself as much as possible, in his memoirs. I, personally, don’t think he “should” be speaking out about anything beyond that, although, of course, that’s up to him.

Yes, of course the Royal family should refuse to protect a pedophile.

The Royal family is publicly funded, which means they exist to serve the taxpayers. If Harry wants to remain a Royal, he depends on public support. It’s hard to support him given his focus on himself. And while he’s left the world of royalty in many ways, he hasn’t left entirely quite yet, nor does he seem to want to entirely.

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Anonymous wrote:It's disappointing that so many people on this thread clearly haven't read the book yet feel confident in opining. I'm appalled by the British class system and how it protects pedos like Prince Andrew. I was interested in Spare because of the chance it offered to see behind the curtain - and it did not disappoint. Harry's got a GREAT voice for audiobooks and listening to it was very easy and pleasant. The dysfunction he describes resonates with me and my experiences with a dysfunctional 'family'. I also suspect he has learning disabilities. He, clearly, has anxiety/depression that was untreated for most of his life. It seems he's on a path that's good for him.

As someone who also married into a family with strong ideas about the role of a wife and women, I can really sympathize with Megan. I wouldn't want my DD marrying into that family nor the institution.

I agree it’s appalling, and Harry should be speaking out vehemently about his uncle. But he doesn’t, because he supports it overall, and he’s friends with Eugenie. It would be easier to support him if he were anti-monarchy than wanting to have been more privileged within the monarchy

I’m curious. Do you think the other members of the British Royal Family should be speaking out against Andrew? His siblings for example? King Charles? Or just Harry?
And how would people “support him” — beyond buying his book?

I think Harry carefully focused on himself as much as possible, in his memoirs. I, personally, don’t think he “should” be speaking out about anything beyond that, although, of course, that’s up to him.

Yes, of course the Royal family should refuse to protect a pedophile.

The Royal family is publicly funded, which means they exist to serve the taxpayers. If Harry wants to remain a Royal, he depends on public support. It’s hard to support him given his focus on himself. And while he’s left the world of royalty in many ways, he hasn’t left entirely quite yet, nor does he seem to want to entirely.

"Publicly funded" is a bit of a misnomer. And while some call it a business instead of a family, it's really both. Loving and protecting a family member, whatever they do, is understandable, for a lot of people. Maybe we don't like it but we understand it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's disappointing that so many people on this thread clearly haven't read the book yet feel confident in opining. I'm appalled by the British class system and how it protects pedos like Prince Andrew. I was interested in Spare because of the chance it offered to see behind the curtain - and it did not disappoint. Harry's got a GREAT voice for audiobooks and listening to it was very easy and pleasant. The dysfunction he describes resonates with me and my experiences with a dysfunctional 'family'. I also suspect he has learning disabilities. He, clearly, has anxiety/depression that was untreated for most of his life. It seems he's on a path that's good for him.

As someone who also married into a family with strong ideas about the role of a wife and women, I can really sympathize with Megan. I wouldn't want my DD marrying into that family nor the institution.

I agree it’s appalling, and Harry should be speaking out vehemently about his uncle. But he doesn’t, because he supports it overall, and he’s friends with Eugenie. It would be easier to support him if he were anti-monarchy than wanting to have been more privileged within the monarchy

I’m curious. Do you think the other members of the British Royal Family should be speaking out against Andrew? His siblings for example? King Charles? Or just Harry?
And how would people “support him” — beyond buying his book?

I think Harry carefully focused on himself as much as possible, in his memoirs. I, personally, don’t think he “should” be speaking out about anything beyond that, although, of course, that’s up to him.

Yes, of course the Royal family should refuse to protect a pedophile.

The Royal family is publicly funded, which means they exist to serve the taxpayers. If Harry wants to remain a Royal, he depends on public support. It’s hard to support him given his focus on himself. And while he’s left the world of royalty in many ways, he hasn’t left entirely quite yet, nor does he seem to want to entirely.

How, exactly, does Harry “depend on public support”? You’ve used the word “support” twice here. What exactly do you mean?

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Anonymous wrote:It's disappointing that so many people on this thread clearly haven't read the book yet feel confident in opining. I'm appalled by the British class system and how it protects pedos like Prince Andrew. I was interested in Spare because of the chance it offered to see behind the curtain - and it did not disappoint. Harry's got a GREAT voice for audiobooks and listening to it was very easy and pleasant. The dysfunction he describes resonates with me and my experiences with a dysfunctional 'family'. I also suspect he has learning disabilities. He, clearly, has anxiety/depression that was untreated for most of his life. It seems he's on a path that's good for him.

As someone who also married into a family with strong ideas about the role of a wife and women, I can really sympathize with Megan. I wouldn't want my DD marrying into that family nor the institution.

A good path? They are a trainwreck right now.

She was in her mid 30s when they got together and had already been married at least once. She is older than Kate. People act like she was this naive unaware person yet also this strong independent woman. I suppose it is whatever suites her objectives at the moment.

DP. If anything, I suspect Meghan’s past experience might have caused her to underestimate what it would be like to join the royal family from a media scrutiny standpoint. As an actress, she was accustomed to a certain level of public scrutiny and may have assumed that being part of the royal family might be a bit more intense but not wholly dissimilar, only to be caught off guard by the level of intrusiveness and ugliness she would face. Someone who had no experience at all in the spotlight might have been a bit more wary of the whole experience.

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Anonymous wrote:It's disappointing that so many people on this thread clearly haven't read the book yet feel confident in opining. I'm appalled by the British class system and how it protects pedos like Prince Andrew. I was interested in Spare because of the chance it offered to see behind the curtain - and it did not disappoint. Harry's got a GREAT voice for audiobooks and listening to it was very easy and pleasant. The dysfunction he describes resonates with me and my experiences with a dysfunctional 'family'. I also suspect he has learning disabilities. He, clearly, has anxiety/depression that was untreated for most of his life. It seems he's on a path that's good for him.

As someone who also married into a family with strong ideas about the role of a wife and women, I can really sympathize with Megan. I wouldn't want my DD marrying into that family nor the institution.

I agree it’s appalling, and Harry should be speaking out vehemently about his uncle. But he doesn’t, because he supports it overall, and he’s friends with Eugenie. It would be easier to support him if he were anti-monarchy than wanting to have been more privileged within the monarchy

I’m curious. Do you think the other members of the British Royal Family should be speaking out against Andrew? His siblings for example? King Charles? Or just Harry?
And how would people “support him” — beyond buying his book?

I think Harry carefully focused on himself as much as possible, in his memoirs. I, personally, don’t think he “should” be speaking out about anything beyond that, although, of course, that’s up to him.

Yes, of course the Royal family should refuse to protect a pedophile.

The Royal family is publicly funded, which means they exist to serve the taxpayers. If Harry wants to remain a Royal, he depends on public support. It’s hard to support him given his focus on himself. And while he’s left the world of royalty in many ways, he hasn’t left entirely quite yet, nor does he seem to want to entirely.

How, exactly, does Harry “depend on public support”? You’ve used the word “support” twice here. What exactly do you mean?

Public opinion. The people can end the monarchy whenever they want. Arguably, they should. They should not pay for people to live whatever lives they want.

The king can support his son privately as a father, as Elizabeth did Anne’s family, who are private citizens without titles or roles. He can also support his son as a king to an heir, as a role supporting another role. But he cannot use public funds to support the profiting of public roles for private gain, or to support private whims. The fact that both exist in the same set of people and relationships is confusing, which is why if Harry wanted to break off and go private, I’m sure he’d go with many well-wishes. But his argument to have his private desires publicly funded is problematic

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There are so many interesting excerpts, things worth discussing… his thoughts on getting married and how weddings are like funerals bc it often means you see less of the person… his time in the military, his anxiety and depression and fear of public speaking…

I have yet to see a public figure so open about himself. It’s easy to hide behind a door, but quite courageous to reveal how you screwed up, your faults, your desires and dreams…

I can’t help admire that. Good on him.

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Anonymous wrote:It's disappointing that so many people on this thread clearly haven't read the book yet feel confident in opining. I'm appalled by the British class system and how it protects pedos like Prince Andrew. I was interested in Spare because of the chance it offered to see behind the curtain - and it did not disappoint. Harry's got a GREAT voice for audiobooks and listening to it was very easy and pleasant. The dysfunction he describes resonates with me and my experiences with a dysfunctional 'family'. I also suspect he has learning disabilities. He, clearly, has anxiety/depression that was untreated for most of his life. It seems he's on a path that's good for him.

As someone who also married into a family with strong ideas about the role of a wife and women, I can really sympathize with Megan. I wouldn't want my DD marrying into that family nor the institution.

I agree it’s appalling, and Harry should be speaking out vehemently about his uncle. But he doesn’t, because he supports it overall, and he’s friends with Eugenie. It would be easier to support him if he were anti-monarchy than wanting to have been more privileged within the monarchy

I’m curious. Do you think the other members of the British Royal Family should be speaking out against Andrew? His siblings for example? King Charles? Or just Harry?
And how would people “support him” — beyond buying his book?

I think Harry carefully focused on himself as much as possible, in his memoirs. I, personally, don’t think he “should” be speaking out about anything beyond that, although, of course, that’s up to him.

I absolutely think others should speak out against Andrew as well. But Harry is the one who comes off as hypocritical because he is shining a spotlight on how the palace works the media to protect some people and sell out others, and shouldn't Andrew be the perfect example of this?

"Support" means a lot of things. H&M ability to drum up the public's interest in their future media projects etc depends on how people feel about them.

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Anonymous wrote:It's disappointing that so many people on this thread clearly haven't read the book yet feel confident in opining. I'm appalled by the British class system and how it protects pedos like Prince Andrew. I was interested in Spare because of the chance it offered to see behind the curtain - and it did not disappoint. Harry's got a GREAT voice for audiobooks and listening to it was very easy and pleasant. The dysfunction he describes resonates with me and my experiences with a dysfunctional 'family'. I also suspect he has learning disabilities. He, clearly, has anxiety/depression that was untreated for most of his life. It seems he's on a path that's good for him.

As someone who also married into a family with strong ideas about the role of a wife and women, I can really sympathize with Megan. I wouldn't want my DD marrying into that family nor the institution.

I agree it’s appalling, and Harry should be speaking out vehemently about his uncle. But he doesn’t, because he supports it overall, and he’s friends with Eugenie. It would be easier to support him if he were anti-monarchy than wanting to have been more privileged within the monarchy

I’m curious. Do you think the other members of the British Royal Family should be speaking out against Andrew? His siblings for example? King Charles? Or just Harry?
And how would people “support him” — beyond buying his book?

I think Harry carefully focused on himself as much as possible, in his memoirs. I, personally, don’t think he “should” be speaking out about anything beyond that, although, of course, that’s up to him.

I absolutely think others should speak out against Andrew as well. But Harry is the one who comes off as hypocritical because he is shining a spotlight on how the palace works the media to protect some people and sell out others, and shouldn't Andrew be the perfect example of this?

"Support" means a lot of things. H&M ability to drum up the public's interest in their future media projects etc depends on how people feel about them.

DP. You get that Harry is not Andrew, and that he is not responsible for Andrew’s behavior, right? He has zero say in how the palace deals with Andrew. It is really tiresome how you keep trying to derail this thread with talk about Andrew.

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Anonymous wrote:It's disappointing that so many people on this thread clearly haven't read the book yet feel confident in opining. I'm appalled by the British class system and how it protects pedos like Prince Andrew. I was interested in Spare because of the chance it offered to see behind the curtain - and it did not disappoint. Harry's got a GREAT voice for audiobooks and listening to it was very easy and pleasant. The dysfunction he describes resonates with me and my experiences with a dysfunctional 'family'. I also suspect he has learning disabilities. He, clearly, has anxiety/depression that was untreated for most of his life. It seems he's on a path that's good for him.

As someone who also married into a family with strong ideas about the role of a wife and women, I can really sympathize with Megan. I wouldn't want my DD marrying into that family nor the institution.

I agree it’s appalling, and Harry should be speaking out vehemently about his uncle. But he doesn’t, because he supports it overall, and he’s friends with Eugenie. It would be easier to support him if he were anti-monarchy than wanting to have been more privileged within the monarchy

I’m curious. Do you think the other members of the British Royal Family should be speaking out against Andrew? His siblings for example? King Charles? Or just Harry?
And how would people “support him” — beyond buying his book?

I think Harry carefully focused on himself as much as possible, in his memoirs. I, personally, don’t think he “should” be speaking out about anything beyond that, although, of course, that’s up to him.

I absolutely think others should speak out against Andrew as well. But Harry is the one who comes off as hypocritical because he is shining a spotlight on how the palace works the media to protect some people and sell out others, and shouldn't Andrew be the perfect example of this?

"Support" means a lot of things. H&M ability to drum up the public's interest in their future media projects etc depends on how people feel about them.

DP. You get that Harry is not Andrew, and that he is not responsible for Andrew’s behavior, right? He has zero say in how the palace deals with Andrew. It is really tiresome how you keep trying to derail this thread with talk about Andrew.

From reading the book there is only one mention of Andrew directly. They didn't have much interaction. Andrew's story or coverup isn't Harry's story to tell.

Andrew has been protected, but that's a reflection of the Queen and Charles' communication departments. They could kill stories like that, but refused to help Harry. He says they could kill stories, but does say what specifically, which is fine. The point is having Harry receiving bad press took the light off of other things, which is why they didn't do anything to correct wrong reports, or even cover up Harry's young adult hijinks. He was very kind to all of his family really. You can tell he still loves them deeply, even though they did nothing to help his trauma.

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Anonymous wrote:It's disappointing that so many people on this thread clearly haven't read the book yet feel confident in opining. I'm appalled by the British class system and how it protects pedos like Prince Andrew. I was interested in Spare because of the chance it offered to see behind the curtain - and it did not disappoint. Harry's got a GREAT voice for audiobooks and listening to it was very easy and pleasant. The dysfunction he describes resonates with me and my experiences with a dysfunctional 'family'. I also suspect he has learning disabilities. He, clearly, has anxiety/depression that was untreated for most of his life. It seems he's on a path that's good for him.

As someone who also married into a family with strong ideas about the role of a wife and women, I can really sympathize with Megan. I wouldn't want my DD marrying into that family nor the institution.

I agree it’s appalling, and Harry should be speaking out vehemently about his uncle. But he doesn’t, because he supports it overall, and he’s friends with Eugenie. It would be easier to support him if he were anti-monarchy than wanting to have been more privileged within the monarchy

I’m curious. Do you think the other members of the British Royal Family should be speaking out against Andrew? His siblings for example? King Charles? Or just Harry?
And how would people “support him” — beyond buying his book?

I think Harry carefully focused on himself as much as possible, in his memoirs. I, personally, don’t think he “should” be speaking out about anything beyond that, although, of course, that’s up to him.

Yes, of course the Royal family should refuse to protect a pedophile.

The Royal family is publicly funded, which means they exist to serve the taxpayers. If Harry wants to remain a Royal, he depends on public support. It’s hard to support him given his focus on himself. And while he’s left the world of royalty in many ways, he hasn’t left entirely quite yet, nor does he seem to want to entirely.

He was born a Royal. His title can be taken away but he’ll always be a Royal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's disappointing that so many people on this thread clearly haven't read the book yet feel confident in opining. I'm appalled by the British class system and how it protects pedos like Prince Andrew. I was interested in Spare because of the chance it offered to see behind the curtain - and it did not disappoint. Harry's got a GREAT voice for audiobooks and listening to it was very easy and pleasant. The dysfunction he describes resonates with me and my experiences with a dysfunctional 'family'. I also suspect he has learning disabilities. He, clearly, has anxiety/depression that was untreated for most of his life. It seems he's on a path that's good for him.

As someone who also married into a family with strong ideas about the role of a wife and women, I can really sympathize with Megan. I wouldn't want my DD marrying into that family nor the institution.

I agree it’s appalling, and Harry should be speaking out vehemently about his uncle. But he doesn’t, because he supports it overall, and he’s friends with Eugenie. It would be easier to support him if he were anti-monarchy than wanting to have been more privileged within the monarchy

I’m curious. Do you think the other members of the British Royal Family should be speaking out against Andrew? His siblings for example? King Charles? Or just Harry?
And how would people “support him” — beyond buying his book?

I think Harry carefully focused on himself as much as possible, in his memoirs. I, personally, don’t think he “should” be speaking out about anything beyond that, although, of course, that’s up to him.

Yes, of course the Royal family should refuse to protect a pedophile.

The Royal family is publicly funded, which means they exist to serve the taxpayers. If Harry wants to remain a Royal, he depends on public support. It’s hard to support him given his focus on himself. And while he’s left the world of royalty in many ways, he hasn’t left entirely quite yet, nor does he seem to want to entirely.

"Publicly funded" is a bit of a misnomer. And while some call it a business instead of a family, it's really both. Loving and protecting a family member, whatever they do, is understandable, for a lot of people. Maybe we don't like it but we understand it.

Why is publicly funded a misnomer? They receive funds through the civil list and they also don’t pay taxes. They are publicly funded.

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Anonymous wrote:It's disappointing that so many people on this thread clearly haven't read the book yet feel confident in opining. I'm appalled by the British class system and how it protects pedos like Prince Andrew. I was interested in Spare because of the chance it offered to see behind the curtain - and it did not disappoint. Harry's got a GREAT voice for audiobooks and listening to it was very easy and pleasant. The dysfunction he describes resonates with me and my experiences with a dysfunctional 'family'. I also suspect he has learning disabilities. He, clearly, has anxiety/depression that was untreated for most of his life. It seems he's on a path that's good for him.

As someone who also married into a family with strong ideas about the role of a wife and women, I can really sympathize with Megan. I wouldn't want my DD marrying into that family nor the institution.

I agree it’s appalling, and Harry should be speaking out vehemently about his uncle. But he doesn’t, because he supports it overall, and he’s friends with Eugenie. It would be easier to support him if he were anti-monarchy than wanting to have been more privileged within the monarchy

I’m curious. Do you think the other members of the British Royal Family should be speaking out against Andrew? His siblings for example? King Charles? Or just Harry?
And how would people “support him” — beyond buying his book?

I think Harry carefully focused on himself as much as possible, in his memoirs. I, personally, don’t think he “should” be speaking out about anything beyond that, although, of course, that’s up to him.

Yes, of course the Royal family should refuse to protect a pedophile.

The Royal family is publicly funded, which means they exist to serve the taxpayers. If Harry wants to remain a Royal, he depends on public support. It’s hard to support him given his focus on himself. And while he’s left the world of royalty in many ways, he hasn’t left entirely quite yet, nor does he seem to want to entirely.

How, exactly, does Harry “depend on public support”? You’ve used the word “support” twice here. What exactly do you mean?

Public opinion. The people can end the monarchy whenever they want. Arguably, they should. They should not pay for people to live whatever lives they want.

The king can support his son privately as a father, as Elizabeth did Anne’s family, who are private citizens without titles or roles. He can also support his son as a king to an heir, as a role supporting another role. But he cannot use public funds to support the profiting of public roles for private gain, or to support private whims. The fact that both exist in the same set of people and relationships is confusing, which is why if Harry wanted to break off and go private, I’m sure he’d go with many well-wishes. But his argument to have his private desires publicly funded is problematic

The only thing I’m aware of that he’s asked public funding for is his security. He requires security because of the family he was born in to and private security does not have the intelligence to be as efficient. It’s just like former presidents continuing to be liked after by the secret service.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are so many interesting excerpts, things worth discussing… his thoughts on getting married and how weddings are like funerals bc it often means you see less of the person… his time in the military, his anxiety and depression and fear of public speaking…

I have yet to see a public figure so open about himself. It’s easy to hide behind a door, but quite courageous to reveal how you screwed up, your faults, your desires and dreams…

I can’t help admire that. Good on him.

Agree. I’ve thought a lot about that marriage analogy.