There Needs to Be Enforced Equity Among PTA's

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Realistically, the fairest thing that has any chance of happening would be for MCCPTA (or some other central organization, I guess, if there's some problem with MCCPTA, although I don't understand what the problem is) to either increase its dues amount significantly (with an exemption for PTAs under a certain budget) and redistribute that to schools based on need, or for school PTAs to contribute some set percentage of their budget to a central pool that's redistributed based on need.

Honestly it really ought to be one central fund countywide, but most parents are too selfish to contribute to something like that and would scream bloody murder at the idea that they can't use their money to contribute to their kid's school to give them an extra leg up. So let them contribute to their own school knowing that, say, half of it will actually benefit the school, while at least having a *little* less of this ridiculous "the richer schools that need the least and are already the most desirable for teachers get lots of extra from their PTAs, and the poorer schools that need the most and are the least desirable for teachers get nothing from their PTAs" situation...

Question is what happens to all the money MCCPTA gets and why don't they use some of that money to help some of the schools.

Exactly. Honestly, when 50% of our membership dues go to MCCPTA, we don't even push memberships anymore. We'd rather get straight donations, and you don't have to be a PTA member to donate. So for those of you against PTAs, remember, you don't have to be a member. You can just donate to your school PTA, and at least you know your money is going directly back to the school, teachers, or students.

Or, you can buy stuff directly for your child’s classroom.

MCPS provides for everything needed for the curriculum. As a PTA we don't even buy supplies for teachers. They don't want it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wish there were educational equity. It's wrong that accelerated classes are offered at wealthy schools, but equally advanced students at others often lack access to those same opportunities.

I think this is the linchpin issue. If educational equity existed, PTA funding would follow and be more equitable.

I think you mean "equality" not "equity".

Is MCPS proposing taking away children from their parents and putting them into Greentree Group Home barracks? Because if the parents don't care about academics or if their home environment isn't suitable, there is no amount of "equity" that will help. In fact, MCPS will most likely disenfranchise the very students they're pretending to help.

No, I meant equity. I was responding to the poster who pointed out that different opportunities exist at wealthy schools which seems unfair.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish there were educational equity. It's wrong that accelerated classes are offered at wealthy schools, but equally advanced students at others often lack access to those same opportunities.

I think this is the linchpin issue. If educational equity existed, PTA funding would follow and be more equitable.

I think you mean "equality" not "equity".

Is MCPS proposing taking away children from their parents and putting them into Greentree Group Home barracks? Because if the parents don't care about academics or if their home environment isn't suitable, there is no amount of "equity" that will help. In fact, MCPS will most likely disenfranchise the very students they're pretending to help.

No, I meant equity. I was responding to the poster who pointed out that different opportunities exist at wealthy schools which seems unfair.

There is no such thing as equity and MCPS has never provided everything to teachers despite having the money to do so.

MCPS has RICA for the residential care.

There will never be equity or equality in MCPS, our community or our world. Anyone preaching it is doing so to make themselves feel good and they are as much the problem as the system itself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Realistically, the fairest thing that has any chance of happening would be for MCCPTA (or some other central organization, I guess, if there's some problem with MCCPTA, although I don't understand what the problem is) to either increase its dues amount significantly (with an exemption for PTAs under a certain budget) and redistribute that to schools based on need, or for school PTAs to contribute some set percentage of their budget to a central pool that's redistributed based on need.

Honestly it really ought to be one central fund countywide, but most parents are too selfish to contribute to something like that and would scream bloody murder at the idea that they can't use their money to contribute to their kid's school to give them an extra leg up. So let them contribute to their own school knowing that, say, half of it will actually benefit the school, while at least having a *little* less of this ridiculous "the richer schools that need the least and are already the most desirable for teachers get lots of extra from their PTAs, and the poorer schools that need the most and are the least desirable for teachers get nothing from their PTAs" situation...

Question is what happens to all the money MCCPTA gets and why don't they use some of that money to help some of the schools.

Exactly. Honestly, when 50% of our membership dues go to MCCPTA, we don't even push memberships anymore. We'd rather get straight donations, and you don't have to be a PTA member to donate. So for those of you against PTAs, remember, you don't have to be a member. You can just donate to your school PTA, and at least you know your money is going directly back to the school, teachers, or students.

Or, you can buy stuff directly for your child’s classroom.

MCPS provides for everything needed for the curriculum. As a PTA we don't even buy supplies for teachers. They don't want it.

No, they don't provide everything for every curriculum. As a parent, even I can see that. Of course teachers want supplies. Usually its the principal saying no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish there were educational equity. It's wrong that accelerated classes are offered at wealthy schools, but equally advanced students at others often lack access to those same opportunities.

I think this is the linchpin issue. If educational equity existed, PTA funding would follow and be more equitable.

I think you mean "equality" not "equity".

Is MCPS proposing taking away children from their parents and putting them into Greentree Group Home barracks? Because if the parents don't care about academics or if their home environment isn't suitable, there is no amount of "equity" that will help. In fact, MCPS will most likely disenfranchise the very students they're pretending to help.

No, I meant equity. I was responding to the poster who pointed out that different opportunities exist at wealthy schools which seems unfair.

There is no such thing as equity and MCPS has never provided everything to teachers despite having the money to do so.

MCPS has RICA for the residential care.

There will never be equity or equality in MCPS, our community or our world. Anyone preaching it is doing so to make themselves feel good and they are as much the problem as the system itself.

I can't wait until the equity bus arrives at your school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is really sad that some teachers have spend so much of their own money on the classrooms.

Well they shouldn't. MCPS reimburses them for all materials that support the curriculum.

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Give me an example of where an MCPS teacher wasn't provided by their school/MCPS the materials/supplies they need for the curriculum.

Just yesterday, I was in MS English where the class assignment called for using index cards. There were no index cards at school, so the teacher brought in a pack.

And the proper steps are for the teacher to complete the needed paperwork to submit to the principal/school admin to get reimbursed for those index cards.

Huh? This isn’t true. There is no money that you can request. You either purchase the materials with your own money or you do without. When I had my students start their math journals yesterday, I had them take from the supplies that their parents sent in or grab one from the pile of extras that I provide. Only 5 out of my 23 students brought a journal, the rest used the ones I purchased with my money. I got the cheap ones from Staples, but it was still my money. And I don’t have an option of getting reimbursed as my school does not have this discretionary fund you are speaking of, nor do we have a PTA. It is on me.

-MCPS teacher

Next time, ask for extras, including class donations if any parents wants to do so. Know your audience. Even if 80% of your classroom cannot afford the supplies, 20% may be able to. My sister is a teacher and in her classroom newsletters to parents she writes , "If any parent would like to donate any extra supplies to our classroom please contact me - xyz@schoolname,com. Any size donation is welcome". Inevitably there are one or two parents who will generously supply her with classroom supplies for the whole year.

She also believes in reuse and reduce, so she is happy to take partially used up journals from previous years too.

[Anonymous]

What if involved parents from w-schools fostered underachieving kids from poor schools, and taught them study skills?

[Anonymous]

There is enforced equity among PTA’s. It’s called public tax funding. Beyond that people have the right to do as they like with their money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish there were educational equity. It's wrong that accelerated classes are offered at wealthy schools, but equally advanced students at others often lack access to those same opportunities.

I think this is the linchpin issue. If educational equity existed, PTA funding would follow and be more equitable.

I think you mean "equality" not "equity".

Is MCPS proposing taking away children from their parents and putting them into Greentree Group Home barracks? Because if the parents don't care about academics or if their home environment isn't suitable, there is no amount of "equity" that will help. In fact, MCPS will most likely disenfranchise the very students they're pretending to help.

No, I meant equity. I was responding to the poster who pointed out that different opportunities exist at wealthy schools which seems unfair.

There is no such thing as equity and MCPS has never provided everything to teachers despite having the money to do so.

MCPS has RICA for the residential care.

There will never be equity or equality in MCPS, our community or our world. Anyone preaching it is doing so to make themselves feel good and they are as much the problem as the system itself.

I can't wait until the equity bus arrives at your school.

Our school will never ever have equity. Its the stepchild of MCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is really sad that some teachers have spend so much of their own money on the classrooms.

Well they shouldn't. MCPS reimburses them for all materials that support the curriculum.

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Give me an example of where an MCPS teacher wasn't provided by their school/MCPS the materials/supplies they need for the curriculum.

Just yesterday, I was in MS English where the class assignment called for using index cards. There were no index cards at school, so the teacher brought in a pack.

And the proper steps are for the teacher to complete the needed paperwork to submit to the principal/school admin to get reimbursed for those index cards.

Huh? This isn’t true. There is no money that you can request. You either purchase the materials with your own money or you do without. When I had my students start their math journals yesterday, I had them take from the supplies that their parents sent in or grab one from the pile of extras that I provide. Only 5 out of my 23 students brought a journal, the rest used the ones I purchased with my money. I got the cheap ones from Staples, but it was still my money. And I don’t have an option of getting reimbursed as my school does not have this discretionary fund you are speaking of, nor do we have a PTA. It is on me.

-MCPS teacher

Next time, ask for extras, including class donations if any parents wants to do so. Know your audience. Even if 80% of your classroom cannot afford the supplies, 20% may be able to. My sister is a teacher and in her classroom newsletters to parents she writes , "If any parent would like to donate any extra supplies to our classroom please contact me - xyz@schoolname,com. Any size donation is welcome". Inevitably there are one or two parents who will generously supply her with classroom supplies for the whole year.

She also believes in reuse and reduce, so she is happy to take partially used up journals from previous years too.

Some principals will not allow this. Our teachers were not allowed to ask. A long term sub asked for copy paper and disappeared within a few days. I had one teacher tell me and I'd put the stuff in my child's backpack and email her to please check his backpack for the form, etc. and she'd get it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What if involved parents from w-schools fostered underachieving kids from poor schools, and taught them study skills?

You are funny. We have a foster care program. Very few from W schools foster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Realistically, the fairest thing that has any chance of happening would be for MCCPTA (or some other central organization, I guess, if there's some problem with MCCPTA, although I don't understand what the problem is) to either increase its dues amount significantly (with an exemption for PTAs under a certain budget) and redistribute that to schools based on need, or for school PTAs to contribute some set percentage of their budget to a central pool that's redistributed based on need.

Honestly it really ought to be one central fund countywide, but most parents are too selfish to contribute to something like that and would scream bloody murder at the idea that they can't use their money to contribute to their kid's school to give them an extra leg up. So let them contribute to their own school knowing that, say, half of it will actually benefit the school, while at least having a *little* less of this ridiculous "the richer schools that need the least and are already the most desirable for teachers get lots of extra from their PTAs, and the poorer schools that need the most and are the least desirable for teachers get nothing from their PTAs" situation...

Question is what happens to all the money MCCPTA gets and why don't they use some of that money to help some of the schools.

Exactly. Honestly, when 50% of our membership dues go to MCCPTA, we don't even push memberships anymore. We'd rather get straight donations, and you don't have to be a PTA member to donate. So for those of you against PTAs, remember, you don't have to be a member. You can just donate to your school PTA, and at least you know your money is going directly back to the school, teachers, or students.

Or, you can buy stuff directly for your child’s classroom.

MCPS provides for everything needed for the curriculum. As a PTA we don't even buy supplies for teachers. They don't want it.

As if.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Realistically, the fairest thing that has any chance of happening would be for MCCPTA (or some other central organization, I guess, if there's some problem with MCCPTA, although I don't understand what the problem is) to either increase its dues amount significantly (with an exemption for PTAs under a certain budget) and redistribute that to schools based on need, or for school PTAs to contribute some set percentage of their budget to a central pool that's redistributed based on need.

Honestly it really ought to be one central fund countywide, but most parents are too selfish to contribute to something like that and would scream bloody murder at the idea that they can't use their money to contribute to their kid's school to give them an extra leg up. So let them contribute to their own school knowing that, say, half of it will actually benefit the school, while at least having a *little* less of this ridiculous "the richer schools that need the least and are already the most desirable for teachers get lots of extra from their PTAs, and the poorer schools that need the most and are the least desirable for teachers get nothing from their PTAs" situation...

Question is what happens to all the money MCCPTA gets and why don't they use some of that money to help some of the schools.

Exactly. Honestly, when 50% of our membership dues go to MCCPTA, we don't even push memberships anymore. We'd rather get straight donations, and you don't have to be a PTA member to donate. So for those of you against PTAs, remember, you don't have to be a member. You can just donate to your school PTA, and at least you know your money is going directly back to the school, teachers, or students.

Or, you can buy stuff directly for your child’s classroom.

MCPS provides for everything needed for the curriculum. As a PTA we don't even buy supplies for teachers. They don't want it.

Definitely a troll who has no idea what they are talking about. They provide nothing. I just spent $500 and it’s only August. I can only imagine what I’ll have to come up with on my own for the rest of the year. Stop talking when you clearly have no idea what it is you are talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Realistically, the fairest thing that has any chance of happening would be for MCCPTA (or some other central organization, I guess, if there's some problem with MCCPTA, although I don't understand what the problem is) to either increase its dues amount significantly (with an exemption for PTAs under a certain budget) and redistribute that to schools based on need, or for school PTAs to contribute some set percentage of their budget to a central pool that's redistributed based on need.

Honestly it really ought to be one central fund countywide, but most parents are too selfish to contribute to something like that and would scream bloody murder at the idea that they can't use their money to contribute to their kid's school to give them an extra leg up. So let them contribute to their own school knowing that, say, half of it will actually benefit the school, while at least having a *little* less of this ridiculous "the richer schools that need the least and are already the most desirable for teachers get lots of extra from their PTAs, and the poorer schools that need the most and are the least desirable for teachers get nothing from their PTAs" situation...

Question is what happens to all the money MCCPTA gets and why don't they use some of that money to help some of the schools.

Exactly. Honestly, when 50% of our membership dues go to MCCPTA, we don't even push memberships anymore. We'd rather get straight donations, and you don't have to be a PTA member to donate. So for those of you against PTAs, remember, you don't have to be a member. You can just donate to your school PTA, and at least you know your money is going directly back to the school, teachers, or students.

Or, you can buy stuff directly for your child’s classroom.

MCPS provides for everything needed for the curriculum. As a PTA we don't even buy supplies for teachers. They don't want it.

Definitely a troll who has no idea what they are talking about. They provide nothing. I just spent $500 and it’s only August. I can only imagine what I’ll have to come up with on my own for the rest of the year. Stop talking when you clearly have no idea what it is you are talking about.

I thought they allowed under $100 for each teacher to order from Office Depot (of course the prices are so inflated you can get a few boxes of pencils for that price). And, that's supposed to last all year. Many teachers spend a lot of their own money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is enforced equity among PTA’s. It’s called public tax funding. Beyond that people have the right to do as they like with their money.

Your tax money does nothing to fund classrooms. How are you still failing to understand this? This thread is full of self-righteous morons with zero clue how the world actually works outside their bubble of privilege. A cesspool of the worst of the worst in MoCo.