BOE - who are people voting for?

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Anonymous wrote:Do any of you watch board meetings? I watch most. Lynne typically only comments on the following things: schedules at Thomas Edison and how that one school would be affected by the placement of early release days on the school calendar, affirming LGBTQ testimony, asking for MCPS to use more “green” and eco friendly cleaning products. That’s fine if these are her interests. Mine are actual curriculum, school safety, rational budgeting, staffing, rooting out rot/cronyism, helping all students reach their potential. Montoya’s goals align much more closely with what I think are the bigger priorities but ymmv.


I also think with the big boundary analysis coming up, Lynne would be much much more likely to have students bussing all over in the name of diversity when most families of every race and ethnicity would prioritize sending their kids to schools close to home.


Maybe they could stop bussing them all over the county for segregation like now.
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Anonymous wrote:Do any of you watch board meetings? I watch most. Lynne typically only comments on the following things: schedules at Thomas Edison and how that one school would be affected by the placement of early release days on the school calendar, affirming LGBTQ testimony, asking for MCPS to use more “green” and eco friendly cleaning products. That’s fine if these are her interests. Mine are actual curriculum, school safety, rational budgeting, staffing, rooting out rot/cronyism, helping all students reach their potential. Montoya’s goals align much more closely with what I think are the bigger priorities but ymmv.


I also think with the big boundary analysis coming up, Lynne would be much much more likely to have students bussing all over in the name of diversity when most families of every race and ethnicity would prioritize sending their kids to schools close to home.


Bingo! In her fancy new diesel buses that identify as electric.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m the PP. I am reading the links shared but what I’m not seeing is clear evidence for who made the miscalculation in state aid that cost MCPS 39 million. I understand Harris has oversight of the budget committee but does that mean it was her fault? Not necessarily. Without fully understanding how the MCPS budget works and what person or entity erroneously assumed Woodward would get a great level of state funding than it did, I need more info to see that she was directly responsible. I’m not seeing that in anything that was shared.

I am all for new blood and fresh leadership, but I’m also not about tossing out the baby with the bath water. Experience is important to have on a board, especially when people like Zimmerman and Montoya don’t have any experience at all with large multi million dollar budgets and seem very green.


Lynne is in charge of the fiscal management committee which has an oversight function. The suggestion that even though her committee didn't adequately do its job, she should still have a shot because of this experience is laughable. It’s like saying that Trump should be re-elected as president because he has previous experience as president whereas Harris has none.


I’ve worked in the nonprofit world for
Years and I know how boards work. I also know how budgets work. If someone puts together a budget that says, we’re going to get X amount of dollars for a grant and then they don’t because that staffer misread the paperwork or misunderstood the details of the grant or whatever reason, isn’t it that person’s responsibility? Or is it the boss or board who approved the budget?

I understand Harris had fiscal oversight but are you really expecting her to go through line by line of a multibillion dollar budget to verify each and every single line item, including verifying eligibility for state level grant funds? Presumably there is some team or staffer in the central office putting that aspect of the budget together who screwed up royally on this and made that miscalculation. But we aren’t talking about an accounting error here, we are talking about human error. Nowhere has anyone shared anything that pointed to this as Harris’ fault. Thomas said it was MCPS and I take that to mean someone screwed the numbers up and put it in a bad budget and no one caught it because the budget was approved.

It’s a colossal screw up to be sure - and one that’s certainly screwed up my kid’s class sizes and school staffing - so believe me, I’m angry about it. But I’m not sure tossing Harris out for it is the right move in favor of Montoya who doesn’t seem to have any experience managing a budget as large as MCPS. How would electing her be a better choice? If she’s never managed a budget how would she have caught this? I am all for electing teachers to boards but often they don’t have experience with massive budgets so that inexperience with budgets, financing, etc. has to be balanced out among the other board members. I’m not defending Harris and don’t really have a dog in the fight, I just think you are oversimplifying what is likely a far more complicated scenario that MCPS has not been transparent enough about.



This take is exactly right.


this take is the most ridiculous and sounds like this person should be no where a board given their lack of accountability and due diligence.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m the PP. I am reading the links shared but what I’m not seeing is clear evidence for who made the miscalculation in state aid that cost MCPS 39 million. I understand Harris has oversight of the budget committee but does that mean it was her fault? Not necessarily. Without fully understanding how the MCPS budget works and what person or entity erroneously assumed Woodward would get a great level of state funding than it did, I need more info to see that she was directly responsible. I’m not seeing that in anything that was shared.

I am all for new blood and fresh leadership, but I’m also not about tossing out the baby with the bath water. Experience is important to have on a board, especially when people like Zimmerman and Montoya don’t have any experience at all with large multi million dollar budgets and seem very green.


I love how YT women twist themselves into knows to justify voting for the fellow YT woman with no endorsements simply because they don’t want to vote for the brown woman with all the endorsements.


JFC so we’re going here, are we? I don’t vote for people because of endorsements or skin color, I vote for who I think is the best person to do the job. I look at their policy positions, websites, candidate statements, stated priorities, experience, education, news stories aabout them, and also consider the endorsements. Too many voters just go for the Apple ballot and don’t think about it, but my mom was a teacher and the union rep and I know better than to just go for what the teacher’s union wants as they have their own biases and preferences. It’s own data point but not the data point.

Montoya’s stated policy positions, candidate statements, and budget experience are weak. Pointing that out doesn’t make me a racist, and I resent the suggestion. I care more about having someone with solid experience on the board than I care about what color they are.


Yup. That’s exactly what this is. Ya’ll have screwed everything up yet someone think you know what’s best for communities of color. Still stuck in that white man’s burden mentality with zero accountability. Taylor, who wasn’t even there when the budget got screwed up took accountability. Yet zilch from the board. Good luck ever getting a YT woman to take accountability.


You’ve dominated this thread for over 20 pages calling every single person you think is white YT, which is offensive and also shows you get the majority of your news from TikTok. Please stop, you’re attacking everyone for being racist yet painting all
white people with a broad brush. Pot meet kettle.

Taylor said it was staffers in 2021 who made the budget error and none are still employed by MCPS. How is that the fault of Harris 3 years later? Let responsibility lie with the guilty parties.

You’ve clearly never managed a multibillion dollar budget and have oversimplified life into simple binaries when reality is much more complicated. Is it possible Harris has some annoying qualities and made mistakes but is still a stronger candidate than Montoya? Is it possible that Montoya is a well intentioned but green candidate who lacks fiscal management experience and voting her in with Stewart and Zimmerman is bringing in too many inexperienced but well intentioned board members to be effective and make the changes we need. A board has to be balanced in experience and skills.

I feel sad that you think all white people are racist just because we don’t automatically vote for people of color. I won’t speak about my volunteer experience in communities of color but you have me pegged very wrong.


And Taylor lied.


Can't help but feed the trolls.
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Anonymous wrote:New to this thread and I cannot stomach reading 186 pages of this. I’m trying to decide between Harris and Montoya. Harris was great engaging with our PTA a few years ago on return to school and COVID issues and I found her answers to the questions on various candidate forums and her website policy positions to be sensible. Montoya seems like a good candidate but much less experienced and I wasn’t very impressed by her specific answers to candidate questions, which were a bit vague. Can anyone explain to me why the Apple ballot is supporting Montoya and not Harris? Or if there are issues with Harris I’m not aware of can someone enlighten me? I know Diaz is a total nut so no questions there.


I think the union decided they would not support any incumbents, hence Montoya. I am with you that she doesn’t bring enough experience to the table so am voting Harris.


These are the same posters who have a personal grudge against Montoya. Earlier threads established this and called these posters out.


So you are saying that people who post they don’t think Montoya is experienced enough have a personal grudge against her? I don’t think that is fair.


As opposed to someone with “experience” who cost the school district $39 million?


Not to mention the debacle with electric buses under Lynne. Yeah, we see through racism. In this case, the BS about “experience” is just a dog whistle for choosing the white woman who screwed up the finances simply because she’s not a brown other.


When you compare Lynne’s endorsements (1 union and one county council member) versus Montoya’s (teachers union, a host of other organizations as well as multiple local and state officials), it’s hard not to see that these posters supporting Lynne either have a personal grudge or are just racist



The only candidate running that is racist is Diaz
And she’s not qualified to sit on a public board. She’s horrifying. When you support moms4 liberty that is prof positive you are racist anti semetic and stupid and hateful. Their rhetoric is not acceptable period


I thought that endorsements didn't matter. Also please point or cite to Diaz's racists and anti-semetic comments rather than making generalizations.
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Anonymous wrote:New to this thread and I cannot stomach reading 186 pages of this. I’m trying to decide between Harris and Montoya. Harris was great engaging with our PTA a few years ago on return to school and COVID issues and I found her answers to the questions on various candidate forums and her website policy positions to be sensible. Montoya seems like a good candidate but much less experienced and I wasn’t very impressed by her specific answers to candidate questions, which were a bit vague. Can anyone explain to me why the Apple ballot is supporting Montoya and not Harris? Or if there are issues with Harris I’m not aware of can someone enlighten me? I know Diaz is a total nut so no questions there.


I think the union decided they would not support any incumbents, hence Montoya. I am with you that she doesn’t bring enough experience to the table so am voting Harris.


These are the same posters who have a personal grudge against Montoya. Earlier threads established this and called these posters out.


So you are saying that people who post they don’t think Montoya is experienced enough have a personal grudge against her? I don’t think that is fair.


As opposed to someone with “experience” who cost the school district $39 million?


Not to mention the debacle with electric buses under Lynne. Yeah, we see through racism. In this case, the BS about “experience” is just a dog whistle for choosing the white woman who screwed up the finances simply because she’s not a brown other.


When you compare Lynne’s endorsements (1 union and one county council member) versus Montoya’s (teachers union, a host of other organizations as well as multiple local and state officials), it’s hard not to see that these posters supporting Lynne either have a personal grudge or are just racist



The only candidate running that is racist is Diaz
And she’s not qualified to sit on a public board. She’s horrifying. When you support moms4 liberty that is prof positive you are racist anti semetic and stupid and hateful. Their rhetoric is not acceptable period


I thought that endorsements didn't matter. Also please point or cite to Diaz's racists and anti-semetic comments rather than making generalizations.



Easy her Twitter is full of it .
Libs of TikTok she supports right on her social media RFK Jr as well oh yes she’s fully anti vax glad you support the polio candidate.
Her words are horrible her support of Stephen Miller for
Gods sake . Mr racist
The way she spoke to students at Gaithersburg hs and she chose to speak of them outside of school
Her support of curriculum the Heritage Foundation designed and printed.

She speaks at moms4 liberty events in support of them. That alone is disgraceful
Those videos are online I won’t print her words because they are vile.

Let’s say you want to discount her ultra RW endorsements which by the way prove my point. If she’s not racist why is Stephen Milker, Unified against racism in education lol {is racist as shit ie code for racist ) the heritage foundation and libs of TikTok endorsing her? she is still highly unqualified can clearly not work with others given her tenure at Gaithersburg and how she interacts with students and MCPS families online.


And have you heard her speak at BOE forums vs her Republican forums yeah she’s a god dammed racist
There are no mental gymnastics to show she is not . She thinks she hid it. She has not.

And her supporters online all want the same White Christian Nationalist curriculum that’s racist . They think their code words of parental rights and fear mongering hide their racism they do not.



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Anonymous wrote:Do any of you watch board meetings? I watch most. Lynne typically only comments on the following things: schedules at Thomas Edison and how that one school would be affected by the placement of early release days on the school calendar, affirming LGBTQ testimony, asking for MCPS to use more “green” and eco friendly cleaning products. That’s fine if these are her interests. Mine are actual curriculum, school safety, rational budgeting, staffing, rooting out rot/cronyism, helping all students reach their potential. Montoya’s goals align much more closely with what I think are the bigger priorities but ymmv.


I also think with the big boundary analysis coming up, Lynne would be much much more likely to have students bussing all over in the name of diversity when most families of every race and ethnicity would prioritize sending their kids to schools close to home.


It's funny that you'd think that, when Harris has a voting record on several boundary studies over the past few years, none of which had "students bussing all over in the name of diversity," nor did Harris (or any other member) ever even put forward an alternative plan which would have done so.

Montoya has suggested that MCPS consider expanding the upcoming boundary studies to all 25 high schools in the county, rather than the current 19.
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Anonymous wrote:Do any of you watch board meetings? I watch most. Lynne typically only comments on the following things: schedules at Thomas Edison and how that one school would be affected by the placement of early release days on the school calendar, affirming LGBTQ testimony, asking for MCPS to use more “green” and eco friendly cleaning products. That’s fine if these are her interests. Mine are actual curriculum, school safety, rational budgeting, staffing, rooting out rot/cronyism, helping all students reach their potential. Montoya’s goals align much more closely with what I think are the bigger priorities but ymmv.


I also think with the big boundary analysis coming up, Lynne would be much much more likely to have students bussing all over in the name of diversity when most families of every race and ethnicity would prioritize sending their kids to schools close to home.


For this PP ^^^ it will always be the fall of 2019.

Which is kind of ironic, because Lynne Harris wasn't even elected until November 2020.
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Anonymous wrote:Do any of you watch board meetings? I watch most. Lynne typically only comments on the following things: schedules at Thomas Edison and how that one school would be affected by the placement of early release days on the school calendar, affirming LGBTQ testimony, asking for MCPS to use more “green” and eco friendly cleaning products. That’s fine if these are her interests. Mine are actual curriculum, school safety, rational budgeting, staffing, rooting out rot/cronyism, helping all students reach their potential. Montoya’s goals align much more closely with what I think are the bigger priorities but ymmv.


I also think with the big boundary analysis coming up, Lynne would be much much more likely to have students bussing all over in the name of diversity when most families of every race and ethnicity would prioritize sending their kids to schools close to home.


It's funny that you'd think that, when Harris has a voting record on several boundary studies over the past few years, none of which had "students bussing all over in the name of diversity," nor did Harris (or any other member) ever even put forward an alternative plan which would have done so.

Montoya has suggested that MCPS consider expanding the upcoming boundary studies to all 25 high schools in the county, rather than the current 19.


These are their actual answers on the subject from a recent questionnaire. Lynne point blank prioritizes diversity over proximity and over stability. Rita says while all factors are important, she would maximize the ability for students to attend school in their community.

Order the following priorities you believe should apply when considering school boundary changes (separate by commas for consistency): utilization, proximity, diversity, stability

Lynne Harris:
utilization, diversity, proximity, stability
Boundary changes — over and under utilized schools cost money we really can’t afford to spend. Ensuring we are responsibly managing our infrastructure is essential. Diversity – the research is clear — students in any demographic you want to define do better in truly diverse schools– academically, socially, personally . That’s the way we make students ready for the world. Any discussion of boundaries must be accompanied by an intentional, thoughtful, comprehensive review of program availability, and a commitment to creating a strategic plan for programs so that EVERY student in the county has genuine access to every program

Rita Montoya:
All of these factors should be considered when considering school boundary changes. To the extent possible, I think we should maximize students’ ability to go to school in their community. I await the results of the currently scheduled boundary study.
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Anonymous wrote:Do any of you watch board meetings? I watch most. Lynne typically only comments on the following things: schedules at Thomas Edison and how that one school would be affected by the placement of early release days on the school calendar, affirming LGBTQ testimony, asking for MCPS to use more “green” and eco friendly cleaning products. That’s fine if these are her interests. Mine are actual curriculum, school safety, rational budgeting, staffing, rooting out rot/cronyism, helping all students reach their potential. Montoya’s goals align much more closely with what I think are the bigger priorities but ymmv.


I also think with the big boundary analysis coming up, Lynne would be much much more likely to have students bussing all over in the name of diversity when most families of every race and ethnicity would prioritize sending their kids to schools close to home.


For this PP ^^^ it will always be the fall of 2019.

Which is kind of ironic, because Lynne Harris wasn't even elected until November 2020.


Are you saying there isn’t a big boundary study on the horizon that many many many constituents will care about that this board will be responsible for working on?
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Anonymous wrote:Do any of you watch board meetings? I watch most. Lynne typically only comments on the following things: schedules at Thomas Edison and how that one school would be affected by the placement of early release days on the school calendar, affirming LGBTQ testimony, asking for MCPS to use more “green” and eco friendly cleaning products. That’s fine if these are her interests. Mine are actual curriculum, school safety, rational budgeting, staffing, rooting out rot/cronyism, helping all students reach their potential. Montoya’s goals align much more closely with what I think are the bigger priorities but ymmv.


I also think with the big boundary analysis coming up, Lynne would be much much more likely to have students bussing all over in the name of diversity when most families of every race and ethnicity would prioritize sending their kids to schools close to home.


It's funny that you'd think that, when Harris has a voting record on several boundary studies over the past few years, none of which had "students bussing all over in the name of diversity," nor did Harris (or any other member) ever even put forward an alternative plan which would have done so.

Montoya has suggested that MCPS consider expanding the upcoming boundary studies to all 25 high schools in the county, rather than the current 19.


These are their actual answers on the subject from a recent questionnaire. Lynne point blank prioritizes diversity over proximity and over stability. Rita says while all factors are important, she would maximize the ability for students to attend school in their community.

Order the following priorities you believe should apply when considering school boundary changes (separate by commas for consistency): utilization, proximity, diversity, stability

Lynne Harris:
utilization, diversity, proximity, stability
Boundary changes — over and under utilized schools cost money we really can’t afford to spend. Ensuring we are responsibly managing our infrastructure is essential. Diversity – the research is clear — students in any demographic you want to define do better in truly diverse schools– academically, socially, personally . That’s the way we make students ready for the world. Any discussion of boundaries must be accompanied by an intentional, thoughtful, comprehensive review of program availability, and a commitment to creating a strategic plan for programs so that EVERY student in the county has genuine access to every program

Rita Montoya:
All of these factors should be considered when considering school boundary changes. To the extent possible, I think we should maximize students’ ability to go to school in their community. I await the results of the currently scheduled boundary study.


Lynne has voted on multiple boundary studies, which reduced disparities in demographics among the schools, but also maximized the number of walkers and improved utilization levels. These are good and appropriate outcomes, and the fear-mongering about "bussing all over in the name of diversity" is ridiculous. They are making small changes, as they can, between adjacent schools.
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Anonymous wrote:Do any of you watch board meetings? I watch most. Lynne typically only comments on the following things: schedules at Thomas Edison and how that one school would be affected by the placement of early release days on the school calendar, affirming LGBTQ testimony, asking for MCPS to use more “green” and eco friendly cleaning products. That’s fine if these are her interests. Mine are actual curriculum, school safety, rational budgeting, staffing, rooting out rot/cronyism, helping all students reach their potential. Montoya’s goals align much more closely with what I think are the bigger priorities but ymmv.


I also think with the big boundary analysis coming up, Lynne would be much much more likely to have students bussing all over in the name of diversity when most families of every race and ethnicity would prioritize sending their kids to schools close to home.


It's funny that you'd think that, when Harris has a voting record on several boundary studies over the past few years, none of which had "students bussing all over in the name of diversity," nor did Harris (or any other member) ever even put forward an alternative plan which would have done so.

Montoya has suggested that MCPS consider expanding the upcoming boundary studies to all 25 high schools in the county, rather than the current 19.


These are their actual answers on the subject from a recent questionnaire. Lynne point blank prioritizes diversity over proximity and over stability. Rita says while all factors are important, she would maximize the ability for students to attend school in their community.

Order the following priorities you believe should apply when considering school boundary changes (separate by commas for consistency): utilization, proximity, diversity, stability

Lynne Harris:
utilization, diversity, proximity, stability
Boundary changes — over and under utilized schools cost money we really can’t afford to spend. Ensuring we are responsibly managing our infrastructure is essential. Diversity – the research is clear — students in any demographic you want to define do better in truly diverse schools– academically, socially, personally . That’s the way we make students ready for the world. Any discussion of boundaries must be accompanied by an intentional, thoughtful, comprehensive review of program availability, and a commitment to creating a strategic plan for programs so that EVERY student in the county has genuine access to every program

Rita Montoya:
All of these factors should be considered when considering school boundary changes. To the extent possible, I think we should maximize students’ ability to go to school in their community. I await the results of the currently scheduled boundary study.


Lynne has voted on multiple boundary studies, which reduced disparities in demographics among the schools, but also maximized the number of walkers and improved utilization levels. These are good and appropriate outcomes, and the fear-mongering about "bussing all over in the name of diversity" is ridiculous. They are making small changes, as they can, between adjacent schools.


It’s not fear mongering. It’s simply stating that given how two people might approach this very challenging puzzle, I will take them at their word how they will consider priorities. One candidate matches my priorities better than the other candidate. Ymmv.
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Rita Montoya:
All of these factors should be considered when considering school boundary changes. To the extent possible, I think we should maximize students’ ability to go to school in their community. I await the results of the currently scheduled boundary study.


She awaits the results? If elected she'll be on the board starting in December, and will be partially responsible for the results.
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Anonymous wrote:Do any of you watch board meetings? I watch most. Lynne typically only comments on the following things: schedules at Thomas Edison and how that one school would be affected by the placement of early release days on the school calendar, affirming LGBTQ testimony, asking for MCPS to use more “green” and eco friendly cleaning products. That’s fine if these are her interests. Mine are actual curriculum, school safety, rational budgeting, staffing, rooting out rot/cronyism, helping all students reach their potential. Montoya’s goals align much more closely with what I think are the bigger priorities but ymmv.


I also think with the big boundary analysis coming up, Lynne would be much much more likely to have students bussing all over in the name of diversity when most families of every race and ethnicity would prioritize sending their kids to schools close to home.


It's funny that you'd think that, when Harris has a voting record on several boundary studies over the past few years, none of which had "students bussing all over in the name of diversity," nor did Harris (or any other member) ever even put forward an alternative plan which would have done so.

Montoya has suggested that MCPS consider expanding the upcoming boundary studies to all 25 high schools in the county, rather than the current 19.


These are their actual answers on the subject from a recent questionnaire. Lynne point blank prioritizes diversity over proximity and over stability. Rita says while all factors are important, she would maximize the ability for students to attend school in their community.

Order the following priorities you believe should apply when considering school boundary changes (separate by commas for consistency): utilization, proximity, diversity, stability

Lynne Harris:
utilization, diversity, proximity, stability
Boundary changes — over and under utilized schools cost money we really can’t afford to spend. Ensuring we are responsibly managing our infrastructure is essential. Diversity – the research is clear — students in any demographic you want to define do better in truly diverse schools– academically, socially, personally . That’s the way we make students ready for the world. Any discussion of boundaries must be accompanied by an intentional, thoughtful, comprehensive review of program availability, and a commitment to creating a strategic plan for programs so that EVERY student in the county has genuine access to every program

Rita Montoya:
All of these factors should be considered when considering school boundary changes. To the extent possible, I think we should maximize students’ ability to go to school in their community. I await the results of the currently scheduled boundary study.


Lynne has voted on multiple boundary studies, which reduced disparities in demographics among the schools, but also maximized the number of walkers and improved utilization levels. These are good and appropriate outcomes, and the fear-mongering about "bussing all over in the name of diversity" is ridiculous. They are making small changes, as they can, between adjacent schools.


You have no idea if the changes will be big or small or whether they will be adjacent schools. Nobody has this info yet. You are downplaying something that will potentially impact a lot of people.
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Rita Montoya:
All of these factors should be considered when considering school boundary changes. To the extent possible, I think we should maximize students’ ability to go to school in their community. I await the results of the currently scheduled boundary study.


She awaits the results? If elected she'll be on the board starting in December, and will be partially responsible for the results.


She doesn’t conduct the study. An outside firm conducts the study and analysis, then the board uses that info.
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