Travis and Taylor

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Anonymous wrote:For some reason I just don't see her having a kid.

But I'll also note that I think people said this about me before I had a kid, and I'm an awesome mom. So whatever, she can and will do whatever she wants.

I think she'll have a kid eventually, but not with this guy. I believe their relationship is real, but I doubt he's the kind of guy she wants to tether herself to for the rest of her life by having a kid with him.

He seems like one of those guys who is kind of on the bubble. Like he has kids in his life and seems like he'd definitely be the "fun uncle" and I bet kids enjoy him. But he also seems like someone who LOVES to party and travel and would maybe feel confined by a life where you can't just engage in whatever adult activity you wanted whenever you wanted. I think if he became a dad he's probably a decent person who would show up and be a dad and do what had to be done. But I don't get the sense that he's anxious for that life change to happen, and as a guy (especially a pro athlete who likely never have issues attracting women of reproductive age), there is less biological imperative than there is for her.

I think this is spot on. I just don't see him wanting to settle down for another 5 years or so.

Does someone that rich really have to settle down all that much though? Sure it’s some change but if he stops football he will have a great deal more free time. She has the money for legions of help.

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Anonymous wrote:For some reason I just don't see her having a kid.

But I'll also note that I think people said this about me before I had a kid, and I'm an awesome mom. So whatever, she can and will do whatever she wants.

I think she'll have a kid eventually, but not with this guy. I believe their relationship is real, but I doubt he's the kind of guy she wants to tether herself to for the rest of her life by having a kid with him.

He seems like one of those guys who is kind of on the bubble. Like he has kids in his life and seems like he'd definitely be the "fun uncle" and I bet kids enjoy him. But he also seems like someone who LOVES to party and travel and would maybe feel confined by a life where you can't just engage in whatever adult activity you wanted whenever you wanted. I think if he became a dad he's probably a decent person who would show up and be a dad and do what had to be done. But I don't get the sense that he's anxious for that life change to happen, and as a guy (especially a pro athlete who likely never have issues attracting women of reproductive age), there is less biological imperative than there is for her.

I think this is spot on. I just don't see him wanting to settle down for another 5 years or so.

Does someone that rich really have to settle down all that much though? Sure it’s some change but if he stops football he will have a great deal more free time. She has the money for legions of help.

But he doesn't want to quit football and become a SAHD. He wants to retire from football and launch an entertainment career. He wants to be the next Dwayne Johnson. That's going to require a lot of focus and energy, especially early on because he'll need to throw himself at every opportunity that comes along.

I mean, yeah, they can throw nannies at the kids and go do their own thing. There are celebrities that do that. But my sense is that they are not $hitty enough people to do that. Even rich celebrities struggle with balancing work and kids, if they actually care about their kids. Most men who have careers like Kelce's wind up with women who focus on the kids to accommodate it. I don't see either of them putting their career on the backburner to be the primary parent, but I also don't see them hiring people to raise their kids while the tour and travel and work long hours having the kinds of careers they both seem to want.

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A couple of thoughts:

- Taylor absolutely thinks about public perception of every move she makes. I may not be remembering the details 100% correctly, but remember that call with Kanye released by Kim? As soon as he told her about the song and lyrics she started strategizing, like “oh you can release it, and people will be all mad bc it’s about me, and then I’ll come out and say I was on it the whole time, just chill guys!” So yes, this relationship is being carefully choreographed. Doesn’t mean it’s not genuine, just means Travis is happy to play along. They kind of remind me of Alex & Simon from season 1 RHONY

- The vast amount of money and family support that Taylor and Travis have means they can absolutely balance career and family if they want to. They can move a grandma in - heck, both grandmas! - to help raise the kids. They can move to wherever Travis decides to broadcast from and build a recording studio for Taylor. She can tour while Travis is on hiatus, or pause for a few years like during Covid.

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Here’s a thought. Maybe Taylor doesn’t want kids. Then what happens to all your crazy conspiracy theories?

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a thought. Maybe Taylor doesn’t want kids. Then what happens to all your crazy conspiracy theories?

What conspiracy theories? People are just speculating about whether they might have kids. It's not a conspiracy theory?

I actually think it's likely she won't have kids. Not because she just flatly doesn't want them, but because I think she might feel she has to choose between kids and world domination, and choose WD because so few people have that option.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a thought. Maybe Taylor doesn’t want kids. Then what happens to all your crazy conspiracy theories?

That was my thought, too. All of these people hiring nannies and moving in Grandmas. Maybe she doesn't want kids!

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Anonymous wrote:So refreshing to see a successful woman being torn down, dismissed and the credit for her success being given to the man she's dating..... by other women. THIS is why men will always run the world, because women can't stand cheering on another women or at the very least giving her credit for creating her own success.

We can cheer her on and still recognize a made up fake relationship when we see it. I'm impressed with her success. I'm not a fan but some of her songs are okay when they come on the radio. I think she's gay. That's the extend of my thoughts on her. That's not tearing her down. I'm not naive enough to think she is the actual person she presents to the world.

First, speculating about someone's sexuality is disgusting. Especially when they have made public comments refuting those rumours and are presenting their identity as straight.

Setting that one aside, the 'tearing her down' comments are the ones like:
- people saying her eggs are shrivelled and thus she has no value in a relationship
- saying she only made the Time cover because of who she is dating
- calling her a creepy 34 year old hag pretending to be a teenager
- saying she's ugly
- calling someone emotionally stunted for acting excited and wearing a skirt to a football game (what???)
- calling her a drunk

There's a big difference between questioning whether the relationship is real or saying her makeup/lipstick isn't to your taste and all of the above. One is light celeb gossip and the other is nasty behavior. I'm not the PP you replied to but I agree with them 100%.

Why are you even on DCUM if this is how you feel? This is the wrong place for you.

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Because Taylor Swift will be rooting for the Chiefs who are from one of the most conservative states in the US, MAGAS will be instead rooting for the 49ers, who are from the most liberal city in the most liberal state in the US. MAGAS really didn't think this through, did they?

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Anonymous wrote:There's hiding it, there's going about one's business with no regard to how it comes across to the public, and then there's packaging and monetizing it in ways that they know will generate as much attention and buzz as possible. All of these are choices available to Taylor and Travis.

Some people think it's 2; others think it's 3. I'm in camp 3 but unlike some here, I see nothing wrong with it. I just think it's disingenuous to pretend like "GOSH, I'm just going to watch my BOYFRIEND play football with my FRIENDS, can I LIVE?" when, for example, you're rocking up to the stadium with a gaggle of A-list celebrities and you're a savvy businesswoman who knows exactly what kind of reaction that will get.

But where is Taylor saying “gosh I’m just trying to watch my boyfriend play Let me live!” She’s really not out there complaining a ton. She’s not testifying in front of congress about privacy one day while calling the paps to come watch her at the playground like some other celebrities have done. (I really can’t stand the hypocrisy of the we want privacy crowd while having paparazzi on speed dial).

I think the three options you gave are over simplified. I think she’s living her life, and probably does enjoy some of the attention as he does. It’s really not that surprising, she is a celebrity and a popstar… Are we surprised that she likes attention? It’s just the constant criticism of her because of it that is so odd to me.

Celebrities like to be celebrities sometimes. Famous people like attention. This kind of life is my nightmare- I’m as introverted as they come - but I’m glad others are not because it’s fun to sit in my couch and watch!

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Anonymous wrote:I agree she's never dated anyone that great, which I think is something that happens to very successful women often, for a lot of reasons.

One reason I don't see them getting married and having kids is that what would that even look like? It is so, so hard to do her job with kids. Especially to do it the way she does it.

Like look at the people around them with kids. They mostly have at least one person who is either a SAHM or has the kind of career where taking time off to be with young kids is okay. Blake Lively has taken a step back from acting, so did Sophie Turner. Kylie Kelce and Brittany Mahomes sort of work but a huge part of their job is just the kids and supporting their husbands. A lot of their friends don't have kids despite being in the age range where people are most likely to do that. I just do not see Taylor doing what any of those women have done.

At the same time, I don't see Travis being the one who puts his career on the back burner to have kids. He is obviously chomping at the bit to launch an entertainment career, and the window between NFL retirement and losing the goodwill/fame/interest that would make that possible will be narrow, I think. I don't think he's going to be content to do the occasion broadcasting gig while trailing after Taylor on tour or being the primary parent while she's recording or promoting.

Anyway, I'm still not convinced it's even a real relationship, but even if it is, I don't see it lasting. It's worked thus far because the timing has allowed her to play WAG during a big season for him. That ends in 2 weeks and I don't see her backburnering anything to put him first, or vice versa.

Sorry this is off-topic, but Blake has four kids and an army of nannies. Period. When you see Blake dressed up on a night out with Taylor, she didn’t just put down the sippy cup and throw on that dress. A team of hair and make up people came to our house hours before and helped her get ready. That itself is a job. It is time away from the kids. I’m certainly not criticizing her for it but it is what it is. She acts pretty regularly, and she has a business - the Betty buzz thing - and she does a ton of side projects that let her showcase her baking and cooking skills that she has monetized. She is also at many fashion and industry events - which take a lot of planning and prep.

Sorry for the interruption but Blake and Ryan HUSTLE and they have somehow crafted this opposite image.

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I thought this was a MAGA conspiracy?

Bloomberg: Taylor Swift may be Biden’s secret Trump card in US election

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-01-31/taylor-swift-may-be-biden-s-secret-trump-card-in-us-election

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Anonymous wrote:I agree she's never dated anyone that great, which I think is something that happens to very successful women often, for a lot of reasons.

One reason I don't see them getting married and having kids is that what would that even look like? It is so, so hard to do her job with kids. Especially to do it the way she does it.

Like look at the people around them with kids. They mostly have at least one person who is either a SAHM or has the kind of career where taking time off to be with young kids is okay. Blake Lively has taken a step back from acting, so did Sophie Turner. Kylie Kelce and Brittany Mahomes sort of work but a huge part of their job is just the kids and supporting their husbands. A lot of their friends don't have kids despite being in the age range where people are most likely to do that. I just do not see Taylor doing what any of those women have done.

At the same time, I don't see Travis being the one who puts his career on the back burner to have kids. He is obviously chomping at the bit to launch an entertainment career, and the window between NFL retirement and losing the goodwill/fame/interest that would make that possible will be narrow, I think. I don't think he's going to be content to do the occasion broadcasting gig while trailing after Taylor on tour or being the primary parent while she's recording or promoting.

Anyway, I'm still not convinced it's even a real relationship, but even if it is, I don't see it lasting. It's worked thus far because the timing has allowed her to play WAG during a big season for him. That ends in 2 weeks and I don't see her backburnering anything to put him first, or vice versa.

Sorry this is off-topic, but Blake has four kids and an army of nannies. Period. When you see Blake dressed up on a night out with Taylor, she didn’t just put down the sippy cup and throw on that dress. A team of hair and make up people came to our house hours before and helped her get ready. That itself is a job. It is time away from the kids. I’m certainly not criticizing her for it but it is what it is. She acts pretty regularly, and she has a business - the Betty buzz thing - and she does a ton of side projects that let her showcase her baking and cooking skills that she has monetized. She is also at many fashion and industry events - which take a lot of planning and prep.

Sorry for the interruption but Blake and Ryan HUSTLE and they have somehow crafted this opposite image.

I know this was a typo, but I’m going to choose to believe that Ryan Reynolds is following this thread with rapt attention, and couldn’t help but get a word in.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree she's never dated anyone that great, which I think is something that happens to very successful women often, for a lot of reasons.

One reason I don't see them getting married and having kids is that what would that even look like? It is so, so hard to do her job with kids. Especially to do it the way she does it.

Like look at the people around them with kids. They mostly have at least one person who is either a SAHM or has the kind of career where taking time off to be with young kids is okay. Blake Lively has taken a step back from acting, so did Sophie Turner. Kylie Kelce and Brittany Mahomes sort of work but a huge part of their job is just the kids and supporting their husbands. A lot of their friends don't have kids despite being in the age range where people are most likely to do that. I just do not see Taylor doing what any of those women have done.

At the same time, I don't see Travis being the one who puts his career on the back burner to have kids. He is obviously chomping at the bit to launch an entertainment career, and the window between NFL retirement and losing the goodwill/fame/interest that would make that possible will be narrow, I think. I don't think he's going to be content to do the occasion broadcasting gig while trailing after Taylor on tour or being the primary parent while she's recording or promoting.

Anyway, I'm still not convinced it's even a real relationship, but even if it is, I don't see it lasting. It's worked thus far because the timing has allowed her to play WAG during a big season for him. That ends in 2 weeks and I don't see her backburnering anything to put him first, or vice versa.

Sorry this is off-topic, but Blake has four kids and an army of nannies. Period. When you see Blake dressed up on a night out with Taylor, she didn’t just put down the sippy cup and throw on that dress. A team of hair and make up people came to our house hours before and helped her get ready. That itself is a job. It is time away from the kids. I’m certainly not criticizing her for it but it is what it is. She acts pretty regularly, and she has a business - the Betty buzz thing - and she does a ton of side projects that let her showcase her baking and cooking skills that she has monetized. She is also at many fashion and industry events - which take a lot of planning and prep.

Sorry for the interruption but Blake and Ryan HUSTLE and they have somehow crafted this opposite image.

Betty Buzz is Ryan's business, she just did single branded offering within it. And yes, I am sure she's got a million nannies and is not actually SAHMing. But no, she is not acting a ton -- she's made 2 movies since 2018 and is in production on a 3rd. That's a light schedule for an actor and includes entire years where she did not work at all. She does charitable stuff and fashion stuff, I'm not saying she doesn't "hustle."

But is she focused on her career the way Taylor is? Absolutely not. So while Taylor has made a billion dollars and released album after album including her remastered versions, toured, won tons of Grammys, and become a cultural juggernaut, Lively is a sometimes-actress who is better known at this point for being Ryan Reynold's wife, having a lot of kids, and being on the original Gossip Girl. There is nothing wrong with any of that -- I'd personally rather have Blake's life than Taylor's because I'm not ambitious and it sounds more chill and fun.

But I don't think Taylor wants that life. She is incredibly ambitious. She is not going to go part-time the way Blake has.

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Its definitely a real relationship, unlike Jlo and Ben which is a contract that will expire next year. People are right that the PR / NFL folks are lapping it up and squeezing as much as they can out of this relationship.

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Anonymous wrote:There's hiding it, there's going about one's business with no regard to how it comes across to the public, and then there's packaging and monetizing it in ways that they know will generate as much attention and buzz as possible. All of these are choices available to Taylor and Travis.

Some people think it's 2; others think it's 3. I'm in camp 3 but unlike some here, I see nothing wrong with it. I just think it's disingenuous to pretend like "GOSH, I'm just going to watch my BOYFRIEND play football with my FRIENDS, can I LIVE?" when, for example, you're rocking up to the stadium with a gaggle of A-list celebrities and you're a savvy businesswoman who knows exactly what kind of reaction that will get.

But where is Taylor saying “gosh I’m just trying to watch my boyfriend play Let me live!” She’s really not out there complaining a ton. She’s not testifying in front of congress about privacy one day while calling the paps to come watch her at the playground like some other celebrities have done. (I really can’t stand the hypocrisy of the we want privacy crowd while having paparazzi on speed dial).

I think the three options you gave are over simplified. I think she’s living her life, and probably does enjoy some of the attention as he does. It’s really not that surprising, she is a celebrity and a popstar… Are we surprised that she likes attention? It’s just the constant criticism of her because of it that is so odd to me.

Celebrities like to be celebrities sometimes. Famous people like attention. This kind of life is my nightmare- I’m as introverted as they come - but I’m glad others are not because it’s fun to sit in my couch and watch!

I agree she hasn't said any of that. The problem is that Swifties DO say that stuff and freak out if someone says "it seems like they are doing this for attention" or "huh, the way they've conducted this relationship looks like exploiting marketing opportunities more than starting a new life with your one true love."

The problem is that we can't have rational discussions of this extremely public figure doing things in public with emotional detachment because Swift has a huge army of fans who get mad if you treat her with anything other than public adoration. Like some of the comments in this thread are misogynist or just unkind insults (and I disagree with those too). But a lot of the commentary is just people saying "this relationship reads as fake" or "I find her behavior at these games and in other appearances with Kelce as performative in a way that is unappealing." Those aren't compliments, but they are absolutely fair game comments for someone who has chosen to make her relationship public, and who is already a highly public person who makes a lot of money off her fame. It is literally "the price of fame." But Swifties don't want Taylor to have to pay that price. But she does. Everyone does. They idea that anyone gets to be that famous and powerful without opening themselves up to criticism of the stuff they do is the kind of thing that dictators, and Donald Trump, expect. I don't think Taylor expects that. But her fans do. It's creepy.