2 found dead at Rob Reiner's house; possibly Rob and his wife

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When mentally ill family members are in a mania or psychosis there is not much that the other family members can do.

It is legal to have untreated mental illness in the US.

The U.S. movement in the 50s-80s of “deinstitutionalization” has been a massive failure.

Mental institutions should have been reformed; not eliminated as they largely have been.

This 100%. I have a close friend with a schizophrenic daughter. She committed a crime and has been in jail first then a hospital. Her stay is close to coming to an end after 2 years. She is still incredibly sick. When asked what the next step is - the hospital says she can go to a women's shelter or home (where the family is at risk). That is it, those are the options. Homeless or putting your family at risk.

If I were the Reiners, I would also have had my very sick adult child living with me in my ADU rather than have them homeless in LA. I feel so sad for them and their remaining children.

He HAD returned home to live with them recently - and he used that access to CUT THEIR THROATS.

At what point do parents and siblings have the right to close the door? Apparently in your universe, when the lid closes on their coffins.

I feel so sorry for the Reiners - not just that they were brutally murdered by their own son, but because of the hell they’ve lived through trying to parent him the last 20 years.

Would you feel better if he had slit the throats of an innocent woman on a train? Or an elderly couple in their beds as he broke in to steal drug money? They were taking responsibility for him since there wasn't a magic institution to send him away to.

No of course not. I’m the former prosecutor (and multiple other roles across my career) who comes from a family with addiction and who fully expects something like this to happen to my sister and her husband someday as they have housed their addict children off and on for years and the house is often full of hostility and sometimes there has been violence.

I grieve for such families, it’s a terrible way to live.

And I grieve that we don’t put appropriate resources into mental health and addiction research and treatment so we can help these people help their children or whichever family member it is who has the issue.

Instead we have poured over a trillion dollars into the war on drugs since 1970 and the vast majority of it has gone into law enforcement instead of prevention and treatment. It’s all so incredibly stupid. We will never win this war until we address the demand and NO, it is NOT about willpower or character.

We don't need more resources into ineffective rehab and mental health. Reiner shows that throwing money at the problem didn't solve squat.

Are you being intentionally obtuse?

Of course we don’t need to pour endless resources into the AA/NA model of addiction treatment, which is abysmally ineffective for the majority of addicts.

We have made incredible strides in recent decades learning about brain function through neuroscience, and we should be pouring resources into finding the interventions that can fix the alterations in some brains which cause crippling addiction. We have already learned that some drug treatments can reverse addiction - one example is use of ketamine to alter the brain and addictive processes - Google for the NIH and other studies on that subject.

There is value in the steps of AA/NA to restore relationships damaged by addiction, and to help addicts with patterns of thinking. But it is basically an abstinence model relying on willpower from a brain that is damaged, which is why it isn’t very effective - last I looked at the literature it’s only 10-15% of addicts who are able to get and stay sober long term on the AA/NA model.

We need to marshal science to heal damaged brains, so that abstinence is achievable for more humans with addictive behaviors.

+1 million. Anything less is just trying to treat symptoms, which has so far proven way less than effective. We need to find the root cause and attack and solve THAT. Personally, I believe brain chemistry is the key

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I listened to the 2018 ‘Dopey’ podcast episodes where he called in. He came across as pretty spoiled. He basically said he just wanted to relapse at his parents guest house so he could get back to going what he liked - smoking weed, hanging out, and being left alone.

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Anonymous wrote:Mentally ill are also very very manipulative and more intelligent than they let on. They’ll smile and act so polite for one day-maybe a week, maybe a month, and then as soon as they don’t get ONE thing they want, they snap.

I think this is another reason parents and loved ones find it hard to let go because they see the good days

Bingo. I know someone that has a personality disorder with depression and he knows exactly what to say to make people feel bad about his situation and feel like they have to bail him out. He is truly depressed but also manipulative.

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I'm curious how his lawyer is being paid. Probably doing it for the publicity because I doubt Nick has any money of his own and doubt any family member would pay for it.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious how his lawyer is being paid. Probably doing it for the publicity because I doubt Nick has any money of his own and doubt any family member would pay for it.

I was just going to ask this. His lawyer is a high profile celebrity lawyer, how is this possible and wonder if he contacted Nick.

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Anonymous wrote:18:06 poster here

When mentally ill family members are in a mania or psychosis there is not much that the other family members can do.

It is legal to have untreated mental illness in the US.

The U.S. movement in the 50s-80s of “deinstitutionalization” has been a massive failure.

Mental institutions should have been reformed; not eliminated as they largely have been.

This 100%. I have a close friend with a schizophrenic daughter. She committed a crime and has been in jail first then a hospital. Her stay is close to coming to an end after 2 years. She is still incredibly sick. When asked what the next step is - the hospital says she can go to a women's shelter or home (where the family is at risk). That is it, those are the options. Homeless or putting your family at risk.

If I were the Reiners, I would also have had my very sick adult child living with me in my ADU rather than have them homeless in LA. I feel so sad for them and their remaining children.

He HAD returned home to live with them recently - and he used that access to CUT THEIR THROATS.

At what point do parents and siblings have the right to close the door? Apparently in your universe, when the lid closes on their coffins.

I feel so sorry for the Reiners - not just that they were brutally murdered by their own son, but because of the hell they’ve lived through trying to parent him the last 20 years.

Sure, but most loving parents would do anything to help their child.

I think it’s weird that so many people are acting like the son was an otherwise normal person who just had addiction issues. Clearly he wasn’t. It’s obvious he had serious mental health issues—likely schizophrenia as some have suggested (including some celebs with visibility on what the parents had been dealing with).

Most people with schizophrenia do not harm others. It’s reasonable that the parents thought they could keep him safe and medicated by having him on their property. Sadly, the son’s severe mental illness prompted him to do something violent and psychotic. I’m sure when he comes around after treatment he will be horrified by what he did. It’s sad that he will live the rest of his life in jail even though he did something horrific during a psychotic break, but there’s no alternative.

You are assuming a lot of things, poster.

It’s clear the Reiners were involved and loving parents who struggled to help their son. It’s also undeniable that Rob and Nick got into a big argument at O’Brien’s party, but people who understand even a little bit about schizophrenia and psychotic episodes knows that you don’t argue with a floridly psychotic person so why would Rob do that? Why would he take his son to a party in the midst of a psychotic episode?

I think Nick Reiner was high and he killed his parents in a rage under the influence of drugs. I think the ME will determine that they died Saturday night or very early Sunday morning, that Nick went there after he finally left O’Brien’s party and argued with then killed his parents. His elderly parents.

I’m not sympathizing with Nick Rainer at the moment. Too bad he hired sleazebag Alan Jackson, who has a reputation for lies to the court - I think for some people his representation will prevent them from sympathizing with Nick. It doesn’t matter anyway - he’s going away for life as I suspect the family will ask for no DP consideration and the county attorney will concede.

68 is not elderly.

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Anonymous wrote:18:06 poster here

When mentally ill family members are in a mania or psychosis there is not much that the other family members can do.

It is legal to have untreated mental illness in the US.

The U.S. movement in the 50s-80s of “deinstitutionalization” has been a massive failure.

Mental institutions should have been reformed; not eliminated as they largely have been.

This 100%. I have a close friend with a schizophrenic daughter. She committed a crime and has been in jail first then a hospital. Her stay is close to coming to an end after 2 years. She is still incredibly sick. When asked what the next step is - the hospital says she can go to a women's shelter or home (where the family is at risk). That is it, those are the options. Homeless or putting your family at risk.

If I were the Reiners, I would also have had my very sick adult child living with me in my ADU rather than have them homeless in LA. I feel so sad for them and their remaining children.

He HAD returned home to live with them recently - and he used that access to CUT THEIR THROATS.

At what point do parents and siblings have the right to close the door? Apparently in your universe, when the lid closes on their coffins.

I feel so sorry for the Reiners - not just that they were brutally murdered by their own son, but because of the hell they’ve lived through trying to parent him the last 20 years.

Sure, but most loving parents would do anything to help their child.

I think it’s weird that so many people are acting like the son was an otherwise normal person who just had addiction issues. Clearly he wasn’t. It’s obvious he had serious mental health issues—likely schizophrenia as some have suggested (including some celebs with visibility on what the parents had been dealing with).

Most people with schizophrenia do not harm others. It’s reasonable that the parents thought they could keep him safe and medicated by having him on their property. Sadly, the son’s severe mental illness prompted him to do something violent and psychotic. I’m sure when he comes around after treatment he will be horrified by what he did. It’s sad that he will live the rest of his life in jail even though he did something horrific during a psychotic break, but there’s no alternative.

You are assuming a lot of things, poster.

It’s clear the Reiners were involved and loving parents who struggled to help their son. It’s also undeniable that Rob and Nick got into a big argument at O’Brien’s party, but people who understand even a little bit about schizophrenia and psychotic episodes knows that you don’t argue with a floridly psychotic person so why would Rob do that? Why would he take his son to a party in the midst of a psychotic episode?

I think Nick Reiner was high and he killed his parents in a rage under the influence of drugs. I think the ME will determine that they died Saturday night or very early Sunday morning, that Nick went there after he finally left O’Brien’s party and argued with then killed his parents. His elderly parents.

I’m not sympathizing with Nick Rainer at the moment. Too bad he hired sleazebag Alan Jackson, who has a reputation for lies to the court - I think for some people his representation will prevent them from sympathizing with Nick. It doesn’t matter anyway - he’s going away for life as I suspect the family will ask for no DP consideration and the county attorney will concede.

68 is not elderly.

They were 78 and 70 years old.

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Anonymous wrote:The vast majority of people with serious mental illness and addiction never kill anyone.

Hopefully in the years to come we will have better treatments.

One of the defining characteristics of severe mental illness is "is this person a danger to themselves or others?"

What do you think that means?

I say this as someone with a very similar sibling. In spite of a tremendous amount of pressure from family members, I stayed away and kept myself and my children safe. He burned my parents house down while they were in it and eventually killed himself.

That's the whole reason that severe mental illness is a danger to society. Right now, we have very poor solutions.

It's true. I have a sibling with a serious mental illness. I know three families who have had family members die due to suicide caused by serious mental illness. I feel very strongly that we need to figure out a better solution than we have right now. It's possible with wrap around services and frequent contact with skilled social workers. Social workers deserve to be paid more. But they also have an important job to do. And, yes, involuntary long term confinement in a mental institution is appropriate in some cases. Like that of the Reiners' son.

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Somehow it took me until today to remember that Rob Reiner has another daughter, Tracy Reiner. She was Penny Marshall's daughter and had a different biological father, but when Penny Marshall married Rob Reiner, he adopted her and gave her his last name.

She was most famously "Betty Spaghetti" in A League of Their Own, and in Apollo 13 she played Mary Haise, the pregnant wife of the astronaut played by Bill Paxton.

Penny Marshall and Rob Reiner were married for about a decade and divorced before Reiner met his next wife Michele on the set of Harry Met Sally.

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Anonymous wrote:The vast majority of people with serious mental illness and addiction never kill anyone.

Hopefully in the years to come we will have better treatments.

One of the defining characteristics of severe mental illness is "is this person a danger to themselves or others?"

What do you think that means?

I say this as someone with a very similar sibling. In spite of a tremendous amount of pressure from family members, I stayed away and kept myself and my children safe. He burned my parents house down while they were in it and eventually killed himself.

That's the whole reason that severe mental illness is a danger to society. Right now, we have very poor solutions.

It's true. I have a sibling with a serious mental illness. I know three families who have had family members die due to suicide caused by serious mental illness. I feel very strongly that we need to figure out a better solution than we have right now. It's possible with wrap around services and frequent contact with skilled social workers. Social workers deserve to be paid more. But they also have an important job to do. And, yes, involuntary long term confinement in a mental institution is appropriate in some cases. Like that of the Reiners' son.

+ 1 million

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The vast majority of people with serious mental illness and addiction never kill anyone.

Hopefully in the years to come we will have better treatments.

One of the defining characteristics of severe mental illness is "is this person a danger to themselves or others?"

What do you think that means?

I say this as someone with a very similar sibling. In spite of a tremendous amount of pressure from family members, I stayed away and kept myself and my children safe. He burned my parents house down while they were in it and eventually killed himself.

That's the whole reason that severe mental illness is a danger to society. Right now, we have very poor solutions.

+1 Too many people are invested in perpetuating the myth that people with mental illness don't become violent. Why do they think they're medicated in hospitals, sometimes too much so?

+1

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious how his lawyer is being paid. Probably doing it for the publicity because I doubt Nick has any money of his own and doubt any family member would pay for it.

I’m sure his siblings aren’t wholesale abandoning him…because they know he was mentally ill.

But I’m sure the parents had a trust and plan in place with a trustee to handle whatever happened with their troubled son. That sort of planning ahead is standard when people with money have a troubled or disabled adult child. You don’t leave them money directly, and you don’t leave it up to siblings. There’s a trusted trustee in place.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious how his lawyer is being paid. Probably doing it for the publicity because I doubt Nick has any money of his own and doubt any family member would pay for it.

I’m sure his siblings aren’t wholesale abandoning him…because they know he was mentally ill.

But I’m sure the parents had a trust and plan in place with a trustee to handle whatever happened with their troubled son. That sort of planning ahead is standard when people with money have a troubled or disabled adult child. You don’t leave them money directly, and you don’t leave it up to siblings. There’s a trusted trustee in place.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:18:06 poster here

When mentally ill family members are in a mania or psychosis there is not much that the other family members can do.

It is legal to have untreated mental illness in the US.

The U.S. movement in the 50s-80s of “deinstitutionalization” has been a massive failure.

Mental institutions should have been reformed; not eliminated as they largely have been.

This 100%. I have a close friend with a schizophrenic daughter. She committed a crime and has been in jail first then a hospital. Her stay is close to coming to an end after 2 years. She is still incredibly sick. When asked what the next step is - the hospital says she can go to a women's shelter or home (where the family is at risk). That is it, those are the options. Homeless or putting your family at risk.

If I were the Reiners, I would also have had my very sick adult child living with me in my ADU rather than have them homeless in LA. I feel so sad for them and their remaining children.

He HAD returned home to live with them recently - and he used that access to CUT THEIR THROATS.

At what point do parents and siblings have the right to close the door? Apparently in your universe, when the lid closes on their coffins.

I feel so sorry for the Reiners - not just that they were brutally murdered by their own son, but because of the hell they’ve lived through trying to parent him the last 20 years.

Sure, but most loving parents would do anything to help their child.

I think it’s weird that so many people are acting like the son was an otherwise normal person who just had addiction issues. Clearly he wasn’t. It’s obvious he had serious mental health issues—likely schizophrenia as some have suggested (including some celebs with visibility on what the parents had been dealing with).

Most people with schizophrenia do not harm others. It’s reasonable that the parents thought they could keep him safe and medicated by having him on their property. Sadly, the son’s severe mental illness prompted him to do something violent and psychotic. I’m sure when he comes around after treatment he will be horrified by what he did. It’s sad that he will live the rest of his life in jail even though he did something horrific during a psychotic break, but there’s no alternative.

You are assuming a lot of things, poster.

It’s clear the Reiners were involved and loving parents who struggled to help their son. It’s also undeniable that Rob and Nick got into a big argument at O’Brien’s party, but people who understand even a little bit about schizophrenia and psychotic episodes knows that you don’t argue with a floridly psychotic person so why would Rob do that? Why would he take his son to a party in the midst of a psychotic episode?

I think Nick Reiner was high and he killed his parents in a rage under the influence of drugs. I think the ME will determine that they died Saturday night or very early Sunday morning, that Nick went there after he finally left O’Brien’s party and argued with then killed his parents. His elderly parents.

I’m not sympathizing with Nick Rainer at the moment. Too bad he hired sleazebag Alan Jackson, who has a reputation for lies to the court - I think for some people his representation will prevent them from sympathizing with Nick. It doesn’t matter anyway - he’s going away for life as I suspect the family will ask for no DP consideration and the county attorney will concede.

68 is not elderly.

65 is clinically speaking early elderly; 75+ is mid to late elderly. Yes, 68 is elderly.

As it happens the Reiners were both in their 70s.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious how his lawyer is being paid. Probably doing it for the publicity because I doubt Nick has any money of his own and doubt any family member would pay for it.

I’m sure his siblings aren’t wholesale abandoning him…because they know he was mentally ill.

But I’m sure the parents had a trust and plan in place with a trustee to handle whatever happened with their troubled son. That sort of planning ahead is standard when people with money have a troubled or disabled adult child. You don’t leave them money directly, and you don’t leave it up to siblings. There’s a trusted trustee in place.

I would never forgive my brother if he killed my parents and I certainly wouldn't be contributing to his defense fund. We have no idea how the Reiner siblings are reacting to this. And hopefully the trust has a clause about slaying and not being able to collect on the estate.