BOE - who are people voting for?

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Anonymous wrote:Here is another viewpoint on the race for BOE.

https://www.cleanslatemoco.com/stewart-harris-zimmerman-white-opportunity-hoarders/3282

You may not agree, but they have a point.

The fact that Laura Stewart is running to unseat one of only two Black women on the board is indeed noteworthy and said. I'm no blind defender of Shebra, because there are lots of valid criticisms to make about her performance on the board, but if Laura was as progressive as she thinks she is, she would have backed a Black woman to run against Shebra. But instead, she feels entitled to the role.

This is the main thing that matters here. Shebra is not deserving of a third term.

She’s more deserving of Stewart. I really tried to want to vote for Stewart but I just can’t after seeing her at the candidate forums. She seems nice but very much overwhelmed and in over her head.

Disagree. Stewart's been advocating at the state and county level for years. She's very well-prepared for a seat at the board table.

Key word here is advocate. There is no room for advocates on the Board of Education!

Shebra was an advocate before she got on the BOE. I like Shebra, she is smart, and over the past 8 years, she has learned a lot. However, she was a BIG supporter of McKnight. They are sorority sisters. I suspect that Shebra played a significant role in ensuring that McKnight got that $1.3 million.

Oh wait, are we voting out any BOE connected with a failed superintendents in Montgomery County? If so, where was this outrage for Josh Starr and the curriculum 2.0 and everyone that supported him? My favorite apple Ballot endorsed BOE board president from that time was consistently re-elected until she decided not to run again and no theories were forthcoming why she was such a supporter.

I’m still deciding who I plan to support for BOE but (1) I will never strictly vote Apple ballot candidates ever again based on the Josh Starr era and instead look at positions of candidates and (2) weigh the past performance with the values/position of the challenger matching up with mine when deciding about whether to vote for an incumbent or not. So that might lead me to Shebra Evans or it might not but trying to link being in the same predominantly black sorority as the past superintendent as a reason not to support them when plenty of other board members have supported unsuccessful past superintendents that had various financial packages for non-renewal, early retirement etc, is not cool. If you didn’t have that energy for the other BOE members and past presidents you can miss with that mess right now.

Starr was years ago. Move on. The current BOE failed our kids.

I would argue the past boards also failed our kids at least since Starr. But the earlier poster only wanted to hold one person accountable…not every incumbent this cycle, and didn’t give any indication that they were using the same yardstick when they voted for past BOE members. So when they tried to insinuate the connection/support to a failed superintendent was based on being in the same historically black sorority, they were definitely sending a signal. Especially because we had superintendents that failed who did not share the same sorority and BOE members that supported them and had no insinuations made as to why.

DP. I distinctly remember Evans supporting McKnight at a time when it was clear McKnight had promoted a serial sexual harasser knowing he had issues, had failed to fix the complaint process (yes she wasn't the only one, but she is one of the supers that failed on this front) and had lost the confidence of union members very very quickly. I recall Evans expressing frustration at the notion that McKnight should be fired. That made me really angry and is why I am not voting for her.

Same with Lynne Harris. Can’t believe these incumbents have any supporters left. They all need to go.

I don't remember Harris supporting McKnight the way Evans did but maybe I am wrong.

I think you’re wrong. I recall Lynne Harris being wishy washy for far too long on whether to force McKnight to resign.

So you don't recall Harris being angry that firing McKnight was even being considered?

I don't think Harris is perfect but Evans was far worse on this issue and it's not unreasonable to wonder what role Evans played in McKnight's massive payout.

citation please?

I'm basing my vote on my recollections described above. You can vote however you want and are free to provide citations if that will help you.

That’s what I figured. Just making sure your claims were just based on the vibes as I suspected.

No, based on what I remember. Do you remember something different? Specifically, was Harris angry that firing McKnight was even being considered?

How do you remember that Evans “was angry that firing McKnight was even being considered”? What public statements from Evans made you think that at the time and cause you to remember feeling that way now? What actions do you remember? Rumors about her being sorority sisters on DCUM don’t count.

No need for a citation if you can’t find one. But I’m genuinely interested in what made you feel this way. All BOE members reacted the same way publicly from what I remember - which was to say nothing for legal reasons and then make bland statements to the press. Other than Silvestre of course, who had to go before the county council and testify about it all.

I remember her suggesting as such during a BOE meeting.

I don't care about the sorority. Didn't know about the sorority thing when I made my voting decision and don't think it's remotely relevant.

Thanks for confirming that you’re just making it up. She never “suggested as such” in any meeting. Not surprising that you just have some sort of amorphous recollection that the black BOE member “suggested” she was “angry” at the firing of the black superintendent. And that it’s what you’re using to vote for her white opponent.

I'm not making it up. I have a recollection that is supported by the fact that Evans has the endorsements of Linda Plummer and Jeanette Dixon both of whom ardently defended McKnight and were really angry when she was pushed out . Don't think they would endorse someone who supported ousting

She makes a valid point.

And if you agree with Dixon, then Evans might be the candidate that most matches your values. If you don't agree with her, then Evans might not be the best choice for you.

Talk about a logical fallacy. But this thread is full of them.

Other people who have endorsed Evans are
Sidney Katz
Jeanelle Wilkins
Will Jawando

All people who think McKnight was treated horribly unfairly. Evans is 100% in that group.

Could you point me to the statements they’ve made alleging she was treated horribly unfairly?

They're all on the record.

The Jeanelle Wilkins quote is in this MoCo360 article https://moco360.media/2024/02/02/what-theyre-saying-about-mcknight-exiting-mcps/

Katz falsely claimed all the bad stuff happened before McKnight's tenure during the County Council meeting about the IG report

Jawando is referenced here expressing support for "due process" which is essentially parroting McKnight's false claims that the BOE is not allowed to ask the Superintendent to resign at any time (asking someone to resign is not the same as firing them): https://moco360.media/2024/02/02/mcknight-resigns-as-mcps-superintendent-following-turmoil-over-beidleman-investigation/

There had to be a scape goat. It was never about due process or fairness.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is another viewpoint on the race for BOE.

https://www.cleanslatemoco.com/stewart-harris-zimmerman-white-opportunity-hoarders/3282

You may not agree, but they have a point.

The fact that Laura Stewart is running to unseat one of only two Black women on the board is indeed noteworthy and said. I'm no blind defender of Shebra, because there are lots of valid criticisms to make about her performance on the board, but if Laura was as progressive as she thinks she is, she would have backed a Black woman to run against Shebra. But instead, she feels entitled to the role.

This is the main thing that matters here. Shebra is not deserving of a third term.

She’s more deserving of Stewart. I really tried to want to vote for Stewart but I just can’t after seeing her at the candidate forums. She seems nice but very much overwhelmed and in over her head.

Disagree. Stewart's been advocating at the state and county level for years. She's very well-prepared for a seat at the board table.

Key word here is advocate. There is no room for advocates on the Board of Education!

Shebra was an advocate before she got on the BOE. I like Shebra, she is smart, and over the past 8 years, she has learned a lot. However, she was a BIG supporter of McKnight. They are sorority sisters. I suspect that Shebra played a significant role in ensuring that McKnight got that $1.3 million.

Oh wait, are we voting out any BOE connected with a failed superintendents in Montgomery County? If so, where was this outrage for Josh Starr and the curriculum 2.0 and everyone that supported him? My favorite apple Ballot endorsed BOE board president from that time was consistently re-elected until she decided not to run again and no theories were forthcoming why she was such a supporter.

I’m still deciding who I plan to support for BOE but (1) I will never strictly vote Apple ballot candidates ever again based on the Josh Starr era and instead look at positions of candidates and (2) weigh the past performance with the values/position of the challenger matching up with mine when deciding about whether to vote for an incumbent or not. So that might lead me to Shebra Evans or it might not but trying to link being in the same predominantly black sorority as the past superintendent as a reason not to support them when plenty of other board members have supported unsuccessful past superintendents that had various financial packages for non-renewal, early retirement etc, is not cool. If you didn’t have that energy for the other BOE members and past presidents you can miss with that mess right now.

Starr was years ago. Move on. The current BOE failed our kids.

I would argue the past boards also failed our kids at least since Starr. But the earlier poster only wanted to hold one person accountable…not every incumbent this cycle, and didn’t give any indication that they were using the same yardstick when they voted for past BOE members. So when they tried to insinuate the connection/support to a failed superintendent was based on being in the same historically black sorority, they were definitely sending a signal. Especially because we had superintendents that failed who did not share the same sorority and BOE members that supported them and had no insinuations made as to why.

DP. I distinctly remember Evans supporting McKnight at a time when it was clear McKnight had promoted a serial sexual harasser knowing he had issues, had failed to fix the complaint process (yes she wasn't the only one, but she is one of the supers that failed on this front) and had lost the confidence of union members very very quickly. I recall Evans expressing frustration at the notion that McKnight should be fired. That made me really angry and is why I am not voting for her.

Same with Lynne Harris. Can’t believe these incumbents have any supporters left. They all need to go.

I don't remember Harris supporting McKnight the way Evans did but maybe I am wrong.

I think you’re wrong. I recall Lynne Harris being wishy washy for far too long on whether to force McKnight to resign.

So you don't recall Harris being angry that firing McKnight was even being considered?

I don't think Harris is perfect but Evans was far worse on this issue and it's not unreasonable to wonder what role Evans played in McKnight's massive payout.

citation please?

I'm basing my vote on my recollections described above. You can vote however you want and are free to provide citations if that will help you.

That’s what I figured. Just making sure your claims were just based on the vibes as I suspected.

No, based on what I remember. Do you remember something different? Specifically, was Harris angry that firing McKnight was even being considered?

How do you remember that Evans “was angry that firing McKnight was even being considered”? What public statements from Evans made you think that at the time and cause you to remember feeling that way now? What actions do you remember? Rumors about her being sorority sisters on DCUM don’t count.

No need for a citation if you can’t find one. But I’m genuinely interested in what made you feel this way. All BOE members reacted the same way publicly from what I remember - which was to say nothing for legal reasons and then make bland statements to the press. Other than Silvestre of course, who had to go before the county council and testify about it all.

I remember her suggesting as such during a BOE meeting.

I don't care about the sorority. Didn't know about the sorority thing when I made my voting decision and don't think it's remotely relevant.

Thanks for confirming that you’re just making it up. She never “suggested as such” in any meeting. Not surprising that you just have some sort of amorphous recollection that the black BOE member “suggested” she was “angry” at the firing of the black superintendent. And that it’s what you’re using to vote for her white opponent.

I'm not making it up. I have a recollection that is supported by the fact that Evans has the endorsements of Linda Plummer and Jeanette Dixon both of whom ardently defended McKnight and were really angry when she was pushed out . Don't think they would endorse someone who supported ousting

She makes a valid point.

And if you agree with Dixon, then Evans might be the candidate that most matches your values. If you don't agree with her, then Evans might not be the best choice for you.

Talk about a logical fallacy. But this thread is full of them.

Other people who have endorsed Evans are
Sidney Katz
Jeanelle Wilkins
Will Jawando

All people who think McKnight was treated horribly unfairly. Evans is 100% in that group.

Could you point me to the statements they’ve made alleging she was treated horribly unfairly?

They're all on the record.

The Jeanelle Wilkins quote is in this MoCo360 article https://moco360.media/2024/02/02/what-theyre-saying-about-mcknight-exiting-mcps/

Katz falsely claimed all the bad stuff happened before McKnight's tenure during the County Council meeting about the IG report

Jawando is referenced here expressing support for "due process" which is essentially parroting McKnight's false claims that the BOE is not allowed to ask the Superintendent to resign at any time (asking someone to resign is not the same as firing them): https://moco360.media/2024/02/02/mcknight-resigns-as-mcps-superintendent-following-turmoil-over-beidleman-investigation/

There had to be a scape goat. It was never about due process or fairness.

If you think McKnight was a "scapegoat" I think Evans is a good choice for you.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is another viewpoint on the race for BOE.

https://www.cleanslatemoco.com/stewart-harris-zimmerman-white-opportunity-hoarders/3282

You may not agree, but they have a point.

The fact that Laura Stewart is running to unseat one of only two Black women on the board is indeed noteworthy and said. I'm no blind defender of Shebra, because there are lots of valid criticisms to make about her performance on the board, but if Laura was as progressive as she thinks she is, she would have backed a Black woman to run against Shebra. But instead, she feels entitled to the role.

This is the main thing that matters here. Shebra is not deserving of a third term.

She’s more deserving of Stewart. I really tried to want to vote for Stewart but I just can’t after seeing her at the candidate forums. She seems nice but very much overwhelmed and in over her head.

Disagree. Stewart's been advocating at the state and county level for years. She's very well-prepared for a seat at the board table.

Key word here is advocate. There is no room for advocates on the Board of Education!

Shebra was an advocate before she got on the BOE. I like Shebra, she is smart, and over the past 8 years, she has learned a lot. However, she was a BIG supporter of McKnight. They are sorority sisters. I suspect that Shebra played a significant role in ensuring that McKnight got that $1.3 million.

Oh wait, are we voting out any BOE connected with a failed superintendents in Montgomery County? If so, where was this outrage for Josh Starr and the curriculum 2.0 and everyone that supported him? My favorite apple Ballot endorsed BOE board president from that time was consistently re-elected until she decided not to run again and no theories were forthcoming why she was such a supporter.

I’m still deciding who I plan to support for BOE but (1) I will never strictly vote Apple ballot candidates ever again based on the Josh Starr era and instead look at positions of candidates and (2) weigh the past performance with the values/position of the challenger matching up with mine when deciding about whether to vote for an incumbent or not. So that might lead me to Shebra Evans or it might not but trying to link being in the same predominantly black sorority as the past superintendent as a reason not to support them when plenty of other board members have supported unsuccessful past superintendents that had various financial packages for non-renewal, early retirement etc, is not cool. If you didn’t have that energy for the other BOE members and past presidents you can miss with that mess right now.

Starr was years ago. Move on. The current BOE failed our kids.

I would argue the past boards also failed our kids at least since Starr. But the earlier poster only wanted to hold one person accountable…not every incumbent this cycle, and didn’t give any indication that they were using the same yardstick when they voted for past BOE members. So when they tried to insinuate the connection/support to a failed superintendent was based on being in the same historically black sorority, they were definitely sending a signal. Especially because we had superintendents that failed who did not share the same sorority and BOE members that supported them and had no insinuations made as to why.

DP. I distinctly remember Evans supporting McKnight at a time when it was clear McKnight had promoted a serial sexual harasser knowing he had issues, had failed to fix the complaint process (yes she wasn't the only one, but she is one of the supers that failed on this front) and had lost the confidence of union members very very quickly. I recall Evans expressing frustration at the notion that McKnight should be fired. That made me really angry and is why I am not voting for her.

Same with Lynne Harris. Can’t believe these incumbents have any supporters left. They all need to go.

I don't remember Harris supporting McKnight the way Evans did but maybe I am wrong.

I think you’re wrong. I recall Lynne Harris being wishy washy for far too long on whether to force McKnight to resign.

So you don't recall Harris being angry that firing McKnight was even being considered?

I don't think Harris is perfect but Evans was far worse on this issue and it's not unreasonable to wonder what role Evans played in McKnight's massive payout.

citation please?

I'm basing my vote on my recollections described above. You can vote however you want and are free to provide citations if that will help you.

That’s what I figured. Just making sure your claims were just based on the vibes as I suspected.

No, based on what I remember. Do you remember something different? Specifically, was Harris angry that firing McKnight was even being considered?

How do you remember that Evans “was angry that firing McKnight was even being considered”? What public statements from Evans made you think that at the time and cause you to remember feeling that way now? What actions do you remember? Rumors about her being sorority sisters on DCUM don’t count.

No need for a citation if you can’t find one. But I’m genuinely interested in what made you feel this way. All BOE members reacted the same way publicly from what I remember - which was to say nothing for legal reasons and then make bland statements to the press. Other than Silvestre of course, who had to go before the county council and testify about it all.

I remember her suggesting as such during a BOE meeting.

I don't care about the sorority. Didn't know about the sorority thing when I made my voting decision and don't think it's remotely relevant.

Thanks for confirming that you’re just making it up. She never “suggested as such” in any meeting. Not surprising that you just have some sort of amorphous recollection that the black BOE member “suggested” she was “angry” at the firing of the black superintendent. And that it’s what you’re using to vote for her white opponent.

I'm not making it up. I have a recollection that is supported by the fact that Evans has the endorsements of Linda Plummer and Jeanette Dixon both of whom ardently defended McKnight and were really angry when she was pushed out . Don't think they would endorse someone who supported ousting

She makes a valid point.

And if you agree with Dixon, then Evans might be the candidate that most matches your values. If you don't agree with her, then Evans might not be the best choice for you.

Talk about a logical fallacy. But this thread is full of them.

Other people who have endorsed Evans are
Sidney Katz
Jeanelle Wilkins
Will Jawando

All people who think McKnight was treated horribly unfairly. Evans is 100% in that group.

Could you point me to the statements they’ve made alleging she was treated horribly unfairly?

They're all on the record.

The Jeanelle Wilkins quote is in this MoCo360 article https://moco360.media/2024/02/02/what-theyre-saying-about-mcknight-exiting-mcps/

Katz falsely claimed all the bad stuff happened before McKnight's tenure during the County Council meeting about the IG report

Jawando is referenced here expressing support for "due process" which is essentially parroting McKnight's false claims that the BOE is not allowed to ask the Superintendent to resign at any time (asking someone to resign is not the same as firing them): https://moco360.media/2024/02/02/mcknight-resigns-as-mcps-superintendent-following-turmoil-over-beidleman-investigation/

Got it. The black man uses one sentence in a page-long public statement to highlight the importance of due process and he’s “essentially parroting” claims by other the other blacks that she was “treated horribly wrong”. Do you have anything the actually proves the point you tried to baselessly make and that’s a little less racist?

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Anonymous wrote:Here is another viewpoint on the race for BOE.

https://www.cleanslatemoco.com/stewart-harris-zimmerman-white-opportunity-hoarders/3282

You may not agree, but they have a point.

The fact that Laura Stewart is running to unseat one of only two Black women on the board is indeed noteworthy and said. I'm no blind defender of Shebra, because there are lots of valid criticisms to make about her performance on the board, but if Laura was as progressive as she thinks she is, she would have backed a Black woman to run against Shebra. But instead, she feels entitled to the role.

This is the main thing that matters here. Shebra is not deserving of a third term.

She’s more deserving of Stewart. I really tried to want to vote for Stewart but I just can’t after seeing her at the candidate forums. She seems nice but very much overwhelmed and in over her head.

Disagree. Stewart's been advocating at the state and county level for years. She's very well-prepared for a seat at the board table.

Key word here is advocate. There is no room for advocates on the Board of Education!

Shebra was an advocate before she got on the BOE. I like Shebra, she is smart, and over the past 8 years, she has learned a lot. However, she was a BIG supporter of McKnight. They are sorority sisters. I suspect that Shebra played a significant role in ensuring that McKnight got that $1.3 million.

Oh wait, are we voting out any BOE connected with a failed superintendents in Montgomery County? If so, where was this outrage for Josh Starr and the curriculum 2.0 and everyone that supported him? My favorite apple Ballot endorsed BOE board president from that time was consistently re-elected until she decided not to run again and no theories were forthcoming why she was such a supporter.

I’m still deciding who I plan to support for BOE but (1) I will never strictly vote Apple ballot candidates ever again based on the Josh Starr era and instead look at positions of candidates and (2) weigh the past performance with the values/position of the challenger matching up with mine when deciding about whether to vote for an incumbent or not. So that might lead me to Shebra Evans or it might not but trying to link being in the same predominantly black sorority as the past superintendent as a reason not to support them when plenty of other board members have supported unsuccessful past superintendents that had various financial packages for non-renewal, early retirement etc, is not cool. If you didn’t have that energy for the other BOE members and past presidents you can miss with that mess right now.

Starr was years ago. Move on. The current BOE failed our kids.

I would argue the past boards also failed our kids at least since Starr. But the earlier poster only wanted to hold one person accountable…not every incumbent this cycle, and didn’t give any indication that they were using the same yardstick when they voted for past BOE members. So when they tried to insinuate the connection/support to a failed superintendent was based on being in the same historically black sorority, they were definitely sending a signal. Especially because we had superintendents that failed who did not share the same sorority and BOE members that supported them and had no insinuations made as to why.

DP. I distinctly remember Evans supporting McKnight at a time when it was clear McKnight had promoted a serial sexual harasser knowing he had issues, had failed to fix the complaint process (yes she wasn't the only one, but she is one of the supers that failed on this front) and had lost the confidence of union members very very quickly. I recall Evans expressing frustration at the notion that McKnight should be fired. That made me really angry and is why I am not voting for her.

Same with Lynne Harris. Can’t believe these incumbents have any supporters left. They all need to go.

I don't remember Harris supporting McKnight the way Evans did but maybe I am wrong.

I think you’re wrong. I recall Lynne Harris being wishy washy for far too long on whether to force McKnight to resign.

So you don't recall Harris being angry that firing McKnight was even being considered?

I don't think Harris is perfect but Evans was far worse on this issue and it's not unreasonable to wonder what role Evans played in McKnight's massive payout.

citation please?

I'm basing my vote on my recollections described above. You can vote however you want and are free to provide citations if that will help you.

That’s what I figured. Just making sure your claims were just based on the vibes as I suspected.

No, based on what I remember. Do you remember something different? Specifically, was Harris angry that firing McKnight was even being considered?

How do you remember that Evans “was angry that firing McKnight was even being considered”? What public statements from Evans made you think that at the time and cause you to remember feeling that way now? What actions do you remember? Rumors about her being sorority sisters on DCUM don’t count.

No need for a citation if you can’t find one. But I’m genuinely interested in what made you feel this way. All BOE members reacted the same way publicly from what I remember - which was to say nothing for legal reasons and then make bland statements to the press. Other than Silvestre of course, who had to go before the county council and testify about it all.

I remember her suggesting as such during a BOE meeting.

I don't care about the sorority. Didn't know about the sorority thing when I made my voting decision and don't think it's remotely relevant.

Thanks for confirming that you’re just making it up. She never “suggested as such” in any meeting. Not surprising that you just have some sort of amorphous recollection that the black BOE member “suggested” she was “angry” at the firing of the black superintendent. And that it’s what you’re using to vote for her white opponent.

I'm not making it up. I have a recollection that is supported by the fact that Evans has the endorsements of Linda Plummer and Jeanette Dixon both of whom ardently defended McKnight and were really angry when she was pushed out . Don't think they would endorse someone who supported ousting

She makes a valid point.

And if you agree with Dixon, then Evans might be the candidate that most matches your values. If you don't agree with her, then Evans might not be the best choice for you.

Talk about a logical fallacy. But this thread is full of them.

Other people who have endorsed Evans are
Sidney Katz
Jeanelle Wilkins
Will Jawando

All people who think McKnight was treated horribly unfairly. Evans is 100% in that group.

Could you point me to the statements they’ve made alleging she was treated horribly unfairly?

They're all on the record.

The Jeanelle Wilkins quote is in this MoCo360 article https://moco360.media/2024/02/02/what-theyre-saying-about-mcknight-exiting-mcps/

Katz falsely claimed all the bad stuff happened before McKnight's tenure during the County Council meeting about the IG report

Jawando is referenced here expressing support for "due process" which is essentially parroting McKnight's false claims that the BOE is not allowed to ask the Superintendent to resign at any time (asking someone to resign is not the same as firing them): https://moco360.media/2024/02/02/mcknight-resigns-as-mcps-superintendent-following-turmoil-over-beidleman-investigation/

Got it. The black man uses one sentence in a page-long public statement to highlight the importance of due process and he’s “essentially parroting” claims by other the other blacks that she was “treated horribly wrong”. Do you have anything the actually proves the point you tried to baselessly make and that’s a little less racist?

It's pretty obvious what he was saying. Sorry any criticism of individual Black people offends you.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is another viewpoint on the race for BOE.

https://www.cleanslatemoco.com/stewart-harris-zimmerman-white-opportunity-hoarders/3282

You may not agree, but they have a point.

The fact that Laura Stewart is running to unseat one of only two Black women on the board is indeed noteworthy and said. I'm no blind defender of Shebra, because there are lots of valid criticisms to make about her performance on the board, but if Laura was as progressive as she thinks she is, she would have backed a Black woman to run against Shebra. But instead, she feels entitled to the role.

This is the main thing that matters here. Shebra is not deserving of a third term.

She’s more deserving of Stewart. I really tried to want to vote for Stewart but I just can’t after seeing her at the candidate forums. She seems nice but very much overwhelmed and in over her head.

Disagree. Stewart's been advocating at the state and county level for years. She's very well-prepared for a seat at the board table.

Key word here is advocate. There is no room for advocates on the Board of Education!

Shebra was an advocate before she got on the BOE. I like Shebra, she is smart, and over the past 8 years, she has learned a lot. However, she was a BIG supporter of McKnight. They are sorority sisters. I suspect that Shebra played a significant role in ensuring that McKnight got that $1.3 million.

Oh wait, are we voting out any BOE connected with a failed superintendents in Montgomery County? If so, where was this outrage for Josh Starr and the curriculum 2.0 and everyone that supported him? My favorite apple Ballot endorsed BOE board president from that time was consistently re-elected until she decided not to run again and no theories were forthcoming why she was such a supporter.

I’m still deciding who I plan to support for BOE but (1) I will never strictly vote Apple ballot candidates ever again based on the Josh Starr era and instead look at positions of candidates and (2) weigh the past performance with the values/position of the challenger matching up with mine when deciding about whether to vote for an incumbent or not. So that might lead me to Shebra Evans or it might not but trying to link being in the same predominantly black sorority as the past superintendent as a reason not to support them when plenty of other board members have supported unsuccessful past superintendents that had various financial packages for non-renewal, early retirement etc, is not cool. If you didn’t have that energy for the other BOE members and past presidents you can miss with that mess right now.

Starr was years ago. Move on. The current BOE failed our kids.

I would argue the past boards also failed our kids at least since Starr. But the earlier poster only wanted to hold one person accountable…not every incumbent this cycle, and didn’t give any indication that they were using the same yardstick when they voted for past BOE members. So when they tried to insinuate the connection/support to a failed superintendent was based on being in the same historically black sorority, they were definitely sending a signal. Especially because we had superintendents that failed who did not share the same sorority and BOE members that supported them and had no insinuations made as to why.

DP. I distinctly remember Evans supporting McKnight at a time when it was clear McKnight had promoted a serial sexual harasser knowing he had issues, had failed to fix the complaint process (yes she wasn't the only one, but she is one of the supers that failed on this front) and had lost the confidence of union members very very quickly. I recall Evans expressing frustration at the notion that McKnight should be fired. That made me really angry and is why I am not voting for her.

Same with Lynne Harris. Can’t believe these incumbents have any supporters left. They all need to go.

I don't remember Harris supporting McKnight the way Evans did but maybe I am wrong.

I think you’re wrong. I recall Lynne Harris being wishy washy for far too long on whether to force McKnight to resign.

So you don't recall Harris being angry that firing McKnight was even being considered?

I don't think Harris is perfect but Evans was far worse on this issue and it's not unreasonable to wonder what role Evans played in McKnight's massive payout.

citation please?

I'm basing my vote on my recollections described above. You can vote however you want and are free to provide citations if that will help you.

That’s what I figured. Just making sure your claims were just based on the vibes as I suspected.

No, based on what I remember. Do you remember something different? Specifically, was Harris angry that firing McKnight was even being considered?

How do you remember that Evans “was angry that firing McKnight was even being considered”? What public statements from Evans made you think that at the time and cause you to remember feeling that way now? What actions do you remember? Rumors about her being sorority sisters on DCUM don’t count.

No need for a citation if you can’t find one. But I’m genuinely interested in what made you feel this way. All BOE members reacted the same way publicly from what I remember - which was to say nothing for legal reasons and then make bland statements to the press. Other than Silvestre of course, who had to go before the county council and testify about it all.

I remember her suggesting as such during a BOE meeting.

I don't care about the sorority. Didn't know about the sorority thing when I made my voting decision and don't think it's remotely relevant.

Thanks for confirming that you’re just making it up. She never “suggested as such” in any meeting. Not surprising that you just have some sort of amorphous recollection that the black BOE member “suggested” she was “angry” at the firing of the black superintendent. And that it’s what you’re using to vote for her white opponent.

I'm not making it up. I have a recollection that is supported by the fact that Evans has the endorsements of Linda Plummer and Jeanette Dixon both of whom ardently defended McKnight and were really angry when she was pushed out . Don't think they would endorse someone who supported ousting

She makes a valid point.

And if you agree with Dixon, then Evans might be the candidate that most matches your values. If you don't agree with her, then Evans might not be the best choice for you.

Talk about a logical fallacy. But this thread is full of them.

Other people who have endorsed Evans are
Sidney Katz
Jeanelle Wilkins
Will Jawando

All people who think McKnight was treated horribly unfairly. Evans is 100% in that group.

Could you point me to the statements they’ve made alleging she was treated horribly unfairly?

They're all on the record.

The Jeanelle Wilkins quote is in this MoCo360 article https://moco360.media/2024/02/02/what-theyre-saying-about-mcknight-exiting-mcps/

Katz falsely claimed all the bad stuff happened before McKnight's tenure during the County Council meeting about the IG report

Jawando is referenced here expressing support for "due process" which is essentially parroting McKnight's false claims that the BOE is not allowed to ask the Superintendent to resign at any time (asking someone to resign is not the same as firing them): https://moco360.media/2024/02/02/mcknight-resigns-as-mcps-superintendent-following-turmoil-over-beidleman-investigation/

There had to be a scape goat. It was never about due process or fairness.

If you think McKnight was a "scapegoat" I think Evans is a good choice for you.

And if you want to double down on Lynne “parents don’t know how good they have it” Harris and make the BOE more white and less diverse, Lynn Stewart is your choice.

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https://www.cleanslatemoco.com/stewart-harris-zimmerman-white-opportunity-hoarders/3282

You may not agree, but they have a point.

The fact that Laura Stewart is running to unseat one of only two Black women on the board is indeed noteworthy and said. I'm no blind defender of Shebra, because there are lots of valid criticisms to make about her performance on the board, but if Laura was as progressive as she thinks she is, she would have backed a Black woman to run against Shebra. But instead, she feels entitled to the role.

This is the main thing that matters here. Shebra is not deserving of a third term.

She’s more deserving of Stewart. I really tried to want to vote for Stewart but I just can’t after seeing her at the candidate forums. She seems nice but very much overwhelmed and in over her head.

Disagree. Stewart's been advocating at the state and county level for years. She's very well-prepared for a seat at the board table.

Key word here is advocate. There is no room for advocates on the Board of Education!

Shebra was an advocate before she got on the BOE. I like Shebra, she is smart, and over the past 8 years, she has learned a lot. However, she was a BIG supporter of McKnight. They are sorority sisters. I suspect that Shebra played a significant role in ensuring that McKnight got that $1.3 million.

Oh wait, are we voting out any BOE connected with a failed superintendents in Montgomery County? If so, where was this outrage for Josh Starr and the curriculum 2.0 and everyone that supported him? My favorite apple Ballot endorsed BOE board president from that time was consistently re-elected until she decided not to run again and no theories were forthcoming why she was such a supporter.

I’m still deciding who I plan to support for BOE but (1) I will never strictly vote Apple ballot candidates ever again based on the Josh Starr era and instead look at positions of candidates and (2) weigh the past performance with the values/position of the challenger matching up with mine when deciding about whether to vote for an incumbent or not. So that might lead me to Shebra Evans or it might not but trying to link being in the same predominantly black sorority as the past superintendent as a reason not to support them when plenty of other board members have supported unsuccessful past superintendents that had various financial packages for non-renewal, early retirement etc, is not cool. If you didn’t have that energy for the other BOE members and past presidents you can miss with that mess right now.

Starr was years ago. Move on. The current BOE failed our kids.

I would argue the past boards also failed our kids at least since Starr. But the earlier poster only wanted to hold one person accountable…not every incumbent this cycle, and didn’t give any indication that they were using the same yardstick when they voted for past BOE members. So when they tried to insinuate the connection/support to a failed superintendent was based on being in the same historically black sorority, they were definitely sending a signal. Especially because we had superintendents that failed who did not share the same sorority and BOE members that supported them and had no insinuations made as to why.

DP. I distinctly remember Evans supporting McKnight at a time when it was clear McKnight had promoted a serial sexual harasser knowing he had issues, had failed to fix the complaint process (yes she wasn't the only one, but she is one of the supers that failed on this front) and had lost the confidence of union members very very quickly. I recall Evans expressing frustration at the notion that McKnight should be fired. That made me really angry and is why I am not voting for her.

Same with Lynne Harris. Can’t believe these incumbents have any supporters left. They all need to go.

I don't remember Harris supporting McKnight the way Evans did but maybe I am wrong.

I think you’re wrong. I recall Lynne Harris being wishy washy for far too long on whether to force McKnight to resign.

So you don't recall Harris being angry that firing McKnight was even being considered?

I don't think Harris is perfect but Evans was far worse on this issue and it's not unreasonable to wonder what role Evans played in McKnight's massive payout.

citation please?

I'm basing my vote on my recollections described above. You can vote however you want and are free to provide citations if that will help you.

That’s what I figured. Just making sure your claims were just based on the vibes as I suspected.

No, based on what I remember. Do you remember something different? Specifically, was Harris angry that firing McKnight was even being considered?

How do you remember that Evans “was angry that firing McKnight was even being considered”? What public statements from Evans made you think that at the time and cause you to remember feeling that way now? What actions do you remember? Rumors about her being sorority sisters on DCUM don’t count.

No need for a citation if you can’t find one. But I’m genuinely interested in what made you feel this way. All BOE members reacted the same way publicly from what I remember - which was to say nothing for legal reasons and then make bland statements to the press. Other than Silvestre of course, who had to go before the county council and testify about it all.

I remember her suggesting as such during a BOE meeting.

I don't care about the sorority. Didn't know about the sorority thing when I made my voting decision and don't think it's remotely relevant.

Thanks for confirming that you’re just making it up. She never “suggested as such” in any meeting. Not surprising that you just have some sort of amorphous recollection that the black BOE member “suggested” she was “angry” at the firing of the black superintendent. And that it’s what you’re using to vote for her white opponent.

I'm not making it up. I have a recollection that is supported by the fact that Evans has the endorsements of Linda Plummer and Jeanette Dixon both of whom ardently defended McKnight and were really angry when she was pushed out . Don't think they would endorse someone who supported ousting

She makes a valid point.

And if you agree with Dixon, then Evans might be the candidate that most matches your values. If you don't agree with her, then Evans might not be the best choice for you.

Talk about a logical fallacy. But this thread is full of them.

Other people who have endorsed Evans are
Sidney Katz
Jeanelle Wilkins
Will Jawando

All people who think McKnight was treated horribly unfairly. Evans is 100% in that group.

Could you point me to the statements they’ve made alleging she was treated horribly unfairly?

They're all on the record.

The Jeanelle Wilkins quote is in this MoCo360 article https://moco360.media/2024/02/02/what-theyre-saying-about-mcknight-exiting-mcps/

Katz falsely claimed all the bad stuff happened before McKnight's tenure during the County Council meeting about the IG report

Jawando is referenced here expressing support for "due process" which is essentially parroting McKnight's false claims that the BOE is not allowed to ask the Superintendent to resign at any time (asking someone to resign is not the same as firing them): https://moco360.media/2024/02/02/mcknight-resigns-as-mcps-superintendent-following-turmoil-over-beidleman-investigation/

Got it. The black man uses one sentence in a page-long public statement to highlight the importance of due process and he’s “essentially parroting” claims by other the other blacks that she was “treated horribly wrong”. Do you have anything the actually proves the point you tried to baselessly make and that’s a little less racist?

It's pretty obvious what he was saying. Sorry any criticism of individual Black people offends you.

Totally obvious that one sentence calling for due process is code for “she was treated horribly wrong”. It’s almost as if you have some sort of - what’s the word - bias. Yeah, a bias that’s hard for you to acknowledge or even understand. Maybe something like an unconscious bias? The kind that takes the words of a black man saying she, like all MCPS employees, deserves due process and converts them in your brain to mean “he’s pissed and obviously thinks she was scapegoated and treated horribly wrong”

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https://www.cleanslatemoco.com/stewart-harris-zimmerman-white-opportunity-hoarders/3282

You may not agree, but they have a point.

The fact that Laura Stewart is running to unseat one of only two Black women on the board is indeed noteworthy and said. I'm no blind defender of Shebra, because there are lots of valid criticisms to make about her performance on the board, but if Laura was as progressive as she thinks she is, she would have backed a Black woman to run against Shebra. But instead, she feels entitled to the role.

This is the main thing that matters here. Shebra is not deserving of a third term.

She’s more deserving of Stewart. I really tried to want to vote for Stewart but I just can’t after seeing her at the candidate forums. She seems nice but very much overwhelmed and in over her head.

Disagree. Stewart's been advocating at the state and county level for years. She's very well-prepared for a seat at the board table.

Key word here is advocate. There is no room for advocates on the Board of Education!

Shebra was an advocate before she got on the BOE. I like Shebra, she is smart, and over the past 8 years, she has learned a lot. However, she was a BIG supporter of McKnight. They are sorority sisters. I suspect that Shebra played a significant role in ensuring that McKnight got that $1.3 million.

Oh wait, are we voting out any BOE connected with a failed superintendents in Montgomery County? If so, where was this outrage for Josh Starr and the curriculum 2.0 and everyone that supported him? My favorite apple Ballot endorsed BOE board president from that time was consistently re-elected until she decided not to run again and no theories were forthcoming why she was such a supporter.

I’m still deciding who I plan to support for BOE but (1) I will never strictly vote Apple ballot candidates ever again based on the Josh Starr era and instead look at positions of candidates and (2) weigh the past performance with the values/position of the challenger matching up with mine when deciding about whether to vote for an incumbent or not. So that might lead me to Shebra Evans or it might not but trying to link being in the same predominantly black sorority as the past superintendent as a reason not to support them when plenty of other board members have supported unsuccessful past superintendents that had various financial packages for non-renewal, early retirement etc, is not cool. If you didn’t have that energy for the other BOE members and past presidents you can miss with that mess right now.

Starr was years ago. Move on. The current BOE failed our kids.

I would argue the past boards also failed our kids at least since Starr. But the earlier poster only wanted to hold one person accountable…not every incumbent this cycle, and didn’t give any indication that they were using the same yardstick when they voted for past BOE members. So when they tried to insinuate the connection/support to a failed superintendent was based on being in the same historically black sorority, they were definitely sending a signal. Especially because we had superintendents that failed who did not share the same sorority and BOE members that supported them and had no insinuations made as to why.

DP. I distinctly remember Evans supporting McKnight at a time when it was clear McKnight had promoted a serial sexual harasser knowing he had issues, had failed to fix the complaint process (yes she wasn't the only one, but she is one of the supers that failed on this front) and had lost the confidence of union members very very quickly. I recall Evans expressing frustration at the notion that McKnight should be fired. That made me really angry and is why I am not voting for her.

Same with Lynne Harris. Can’t believe these incumbents have any supporters left. They all need to go.

I don't remember Harris supporting McKnight the way Evans did but maybe I am wrong.

I think you’re wrong. I recall Lynne Harris being wishy washy for far too long on whether to force McKnight to resign.

So you don't recall Harris being angry that firing McKnight was even being considered?

I don't think Harris is perfect but Evans was far worse on this issue and it's not unreasonable to wonder what role Evans played in McKnight's massive payout.

citation please?

I'm basing my vote on my recollections described above. You can vote however you want and are free to provide citations if that will help you.

That’s what I figured. Just making sure your claims were just based on the vibes as I suspected.

No, based on what I remember. Do you remember something different? Specifically, was Harris angry that firing McKnight was even being considered?

How do you remember that Evans “was angry that firing McKnight was even being considered”? What public statements from Evans made you think that at the time and cause you to remember feeling that way now? What actions do you remember? Rumors about her being sorority sisters on DCUM don’t count.

No need for a citation if you can’t find one. But I’m genuinely interested in what made you feel this way. All BOE members reacted the same way publicly from what I remember - which was to say nothing for legal reasons and then make bland statements to the press. Other than Silvestre of course, who had to go before the county council and testify about it all.

I remember her suggesting as such during a BOE meeting.

I don't care about the sorority. Didn't know about the sorority thing when I made my voting decision and don't think it's remotely relevant.

Thanks for confirming that you’re just making it up. She never “suggested as such” in any meeting. Not surprising that you just have some sort of amorphous recollection that the black BOE member “suggested” she was “angry” at the firing of the black superintendent. And that it’s what you’re using to vote for her white opponent.

I'm not making it up. I have a recollection that is supported by the fact that Evans has the endorsements of Linda Plummer and Jeanette Dixon both of whom ardently defended McKnight and were really angry when she was pushed out . Don't think they would endorse someone who supported ousting

She makes a valid point.

And if you agree with Dixon, then Evans might be the candidate that most matches your values. If you don't agree with her, then Evans might not be the best choice for you.

Talk about a logical fallacy. But this thread is full of them.

Other people who have endorsed Evans are
Sidney Katz
Jeanelle Wilkins
Will Jawando

All people who think McKnight was treated horribly unfairly. Evans is 100% in that group.

Could you point me to the statements they’ve made alleging she was treated horribly unfairly?

They're all on the record.

The Jeanelle Wilkins quote is in this MoCo360 article https://moco360.media/2024/02/02/what-theyre-saying-about-mcknight-exiting-mcps/

Katz falsely claimed all the bad stuff happened before McKnight's tenure during the County Council meeting about the IG report

Jawando is referenced here expressing support for "due process" which is essentially parroting McKnight's false claims that the BOE is not allowed to ask the Superintendent to resign at any time (asking someone to resign is not the same as firing them): https://moco360.media/2024/02/02/mcknight-resigns-as-mcps-superintendent-following-turmoil-over-beidleman-investigation/

There had to be a scape goat. It was never about due process or fairness.

If you think McKnight was a "scapegoat" I think Evans is a good choice for you.

And if you want to double down on Lynne “parents don’t know how good they have it” Harris and make the BOE more white and less diverse, Lynn Stewart is your choice.

You think board seats should be allocated proportionally by race/ethnicity?

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Anonymous wrote:Here is another viewpoint on the race for BOE.

https://www.cleanslatemoco.com/stewart-harris-zimmerman-white-opportunity-hoarders/3282

You may not agree, but they have a point.

The fact that Laura Stewart is running to unseat one of only two Black women on the board is indeed noteworthy and said. I'm no blind defender of Shebra, because there are lots of valid criticisms to make about her performance on the board, but if Laura was as progressive as she thinks she is, she would have backed a Black woman to run against Shebra. But instead, she feels entitled to the role.

This is the main thing that matters here. Shebra is not deserving of a third term.

She’s more deserving of Stewart. I really tried to want to vote for Stewart but I just can’t after seeing her at the candidate forums. She seems nice but very much overwhelmed and in over her head.

Disagree. Stewart's been advocating at the state and county level for years. She's very well-prepared for a seat at the board table.

Key word here is advocate. There is no room for advocates on the Board of Education!

Shebra was an advocate before she got on the BOE. I like Shebra, she is smart, and over the past 8 years, she has learned a lot. However, she was a BIG supporter of McKnight. They are sorority sisters. I suspect that Shebra played a significant role in ensuring that McKnight got that $1.3 million.

Oh wait, are we voting out any BOE connected with a failed superintendents in Montgomery County? If so, where was this outrage for Josh Starr and the curriculum 2.0 and everyone that supported him? My favorite apple Ballot endorsed BOE board president from that time was consistently re-elected until she decided not to run again and no theories were forthcoming why she was such a supporter.

I’m still deciding who I plan to support for BOE but (1) I will never strictly vote Apple ballot candidates ever again based on the Josh Starr era and instead look at positions of candidates and (2) weigh the past performance with the values/position of the challenger matching up with mine when deciding about whether to vote for an incumbent or not. So that might lead me to Shebra Evans or it might not but trying to link being in the same predominantly black sorority as the past superintendent as a reason not to support them when plenty of other board members have supported unsuccessful past superintendents that had various financial packages for non-renewal, early retirement etc, is not cool. If you didn’t have that energy for the other BOE members and past presidents you can miss with that mess right now.

Starr was years ago. Move on. The current BOE failed our kids.

I would argue the past boards also failed our kids at least since Starr. But the earlier poster only wanted to hold one person accountable…not every incumbent this cycle, and didn’t give any indication that they were using the same yardstick when they voted for past BOE members. So when they tried to insinuate the connection/support to a failed superintendent was based on being in the same historically black sorority, they were definitely sending a signal. Especially because we had superintendents that failed who did not share the same sorority and BOE members that supported them and had no insinuations made as to why.

DP. I distinctly remember Evans supporting McKnight at a time when it was clear McKnight had promoted a serial sexual harasser knowing he had issues, had failed to fix the complaint process (yes she wasn't the only one, but she is one of the supers that failed on this front) and had lost the confidence of union members very very quickly. I recall Evans expressing frustration at the notion that McKnight should be fired. That made me really angry and is why I am not voting for her.

Same with Lynne Harris. Can’t believe these incumbents have any supporters left. They all need to go.

I don't remember Harris supporting McKnight the way Evans did but maybe I am wrong.

I think you’re wrong. I recall Lynne Harris being wishy washy for far too long on whether to force McKnight to resign.

So you don't recall Harris being angry that firing McKnight was even being considered?

I don't think Harris is perfect but Evans was far worse on this issue and it's not unreasonable to wonder what role Evans played in McKnight's massive payout.

citation please?

I'm basing my vote on my recollections described above. You can vote however you want and are free to provide citations if that will help you.

That’s what I figured. Just making sure your claims were just based on the vibes as I suspected.

No, based on what I remember. Do you remember something different? Specifically, was Harris angry that firing McKnight was even being considered?

How do you remember that Evans “was angry that firing McKnight was even being considered”? What public statements from Evans made you think that at the time and cause you to remember feeling that way now? What actions do you remember? Rumors about her being sorority sisters on DCUM don’t count.

No need for a citation if you can’t find one. But I’m genuinely interested in what made you feel this way. All BOE members reacted the same way publicly from what I remember - which was to say nothing for legal reasons and then make bland statements to the press. Other than Silvestre of course, who had to go before the county council and testify about it all.

I remember her suggesting as such during a BOE meeting.

I don't care about the sorority. Didn't know about the sorority thing when I made my voting decision and don't think it's remotely relevant.

Thanks for confirming that you’re just making it up. She never “suggested as such” in any meeting. Not surprising that you just have some sort of amorphous recollection that the black BOE member “suggested” she was “angry” at the firing of the black superintendent. And that it’s what you’re using to vote for her white opponent.

I'm not making it up. I have a recollection that is supported by the fact that Evans has the endorsements of Linda Plummer and Jeanette Dixon both of whom ardently defended McKnight and were really angry when she was pushed out . Don't think they would endorse someone who supported ousting

She makes a valid point.

And if you agree with Dixon, then Evans might be the candidate that most matches your values. If you don't agree with her, then Evans might not be the best choice for you.

Talk about a logical fallacy. But this thread is full of them.

Other people who have endorsed Evans are
Sidney Katz
Jeanelle Wilkins
Will Jawando

All people who think McKnight was treated horribly unfairly. Evans is 100% in that group.

Could you point me to the statements they’ve made alleging she was treated horribly unfairly?

They're all on the record.

The Jeanelle Wilkins quote is in this MoCo360 article https://moco360.media/2024/02/02/what-theyre-saying-about-mcknight-exiting-mcps/

Katz falsely claimed all the bad stuff happened before McKnight's tenure during the County Council meeting about the IG report

Jawando is referenced here expressing support for "due process" which is essentially parroting McKnight's false claims that the BOE is not allowed to ask the Superintendent to resign at any time (asking someone to resign is not the same as firing them): https://moco360.media/2024/02/02/mcknight-resigns-as-mcps-superintendent-following-turmoil-over-beidleman-investigation/

There had to be a scape goat. It was never about due process or fairness.

If you think McKnight was a "scapegoat" I think Evans is a good choice for you.

And if you want to double down on Lynne “parents don’t know how good they have it” Harris and make the BOE more white and less diverse, Lynn Stewart is your choice.

Well, I am definitely not voting for Lynn Stewart, that's for sure.

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https://www.cleanslatemoco.com/stewart-harris-zimmerman-white-opportunity-hoarders/3282

You may not agree, but they have a point.

The fact that Laura Stewart is running to unseat one of only two Black women on the board is indeed noteworthy and said. I'm no blind defender of Shebra, because there are lots of valid criticisms to make about her performance on the board, but if Laura was as progressive as she thinks she is, she would have backed a Black woman to run against Shebra. But instead, she feels entitled to the role.

This is the main thing that matters here. Shebra is not deserving of a third term.

She’s more deserving of Stewart. I really tried to want to vote for Stewart but I just can’t after seeing her at the candidate forums. She seems nice but very much overwhelmed and in over her head.

Disagree. Stewart's been advocating at the state and county level for years. She's very well-prepared for a seat at the board table.

Key word here is advocate. There is no room for advocates on the Board of Education!

Shebra was an advocate before she got on the BOE. I like Shebra, she is smart, and over the past 8 years, she has learned a lot. However, she was a BIG supporter of McKnight. They are sorority sisters. I suspect that Shebra played a significant role in ensuring that McKnight got that $1.3 million.

Oh wait, are we voting out any BOE connected with a failed superintendents in Montgomery County? If so, where was this outrage for Josh Starr and the curriculum 2.0 and everyone that supported him? My favorite apple Ballot endorsed BOE board president from that time was consistently re-elected until she decided not to run again and no theories were forthcoming why she was such a supporter.

I’m still deciding who I plan to support for BOE but (1) I will never strictly vote Apple ballot candidates ever again based on the Josh Starr era and instead look at positions of candidates and (2) weigh the past performance with the values/position of the challenger matching up with mine when deciding about whether to vote for an incumbent or not. So that might lead me to Shebra Evans or it might not but trying to link being in the same predominantly black sorority as the past superintendent as a reason not to support them when plenty of other board members have supported unsuccessful past superintendents that had various financial packages for non-renewal, early retirement etc, is not cool. If you didn’t have that energy for the other BOE members and past presidents you can miss with that mess right now.

Starr was years ago. Move on. The current BOE failed our kids.

I would argue the past boards also failed our kids at least since Starr. But the earlier poster only wanted to hold one person accountable…not every incumbent this cycle, and didn’t give any indication that they were using the same yardstick when they voted for past BOE members. So when they tried to insinuate the connection/support to a failed superintendent was based on being in the same historically black sorority, they were definitely sending a signal. Especially because we had superintendents that failed who did not share the same sorority and BOE members that supported them and had no insinuations made as to why.

DP. I distinctly remember Evans supporting McKnight at a time when it was clear McKnight had promoted a serial sexual harasser knowing he had issues, had failed to fix the complaint process (yes she wasn't the only one, but she is one of the supers that failed on this front) and had lost the confidence of union members very very quickly. I recall Evans expressing frustration at the notion that McKnight should be fired. That made me really angry and is why I am not voting for her.

Same with Lynne Harris. Can’t believe these incumbents have any supporters left. They all need to go.

I don't remember Harris supporting McKnight the way Evans did but maybe I am wrong.

I think you’re wrong. I recall Lynne Harris being wishy washy for far too long on whether to force McKnight to resign.

So you don't recall Harris being angry that firing McKnight was even being considered?

I don't think Harris is perfect but Evans was far worse on this issue and it's not unreasonable to wonder what role Evans played in McKnight's massive payout.

citation please?

I'm basing my vote on my recollections described above. You can vote however you want and are free to provide citations if that will help you.

That’s what I figured. Just making sure your claims were just based on the vibes as I suspected.

No, based on what I remember. Do you remember something different? Specifically, was Harris angry that firing McKnight was even being considered?

How do you remember that Evans “was angry that firing McKnight was even being considered”? What public statements from Evans made you think that at the time and cause you to remember feeling that way now? What actions do you remember? Rumors about her being sorority sisters on DCUM don’t count.

No need for a citation if you can’t find one. But I’m genuinely interested in what made you feel this way. All BOE members reacted the same way publicly from what I remember - which was to say nothing for legal reasons and then make bland statements to the press. Other than Silvestre of course, who had to go before the county council and testify about it all.

I remember her suggesting as such during a BOE meeting.

I don't care about the sorority. Didn't know about the sorority thing when I made my voting decision and don't think it's remotely relevant.

Thanks for confirming that you’re just making it up. She never “suggested as such” in any meeting. Not surprising that you just have some sort of amorphous recollection that the black BOE member “suggested” she was “angry” at the firing of the black superintendent. And that it’s what you’re using to vote for her white opponent.

I'm not making it up. I have a recollection that is supported by the fact that Evans has the endorsements of Linda Plummer and Jeanette Dixon both of whom ardently defended McKnight and were really angry when she was pushed out . Don't think they would endorse someone who supported ousting

She makes a valid point.

And if you agree with Dixon, then Evans might be the candidate that most matches your values. If you don't agree with her, then Evans might not be the best choice for you.

Talk about a logical fallacy. But this thread is full of them.

Other people who have endorsed Evans are
Sidney Katz
Jeanelle Wilkins
Will Jawando

All people who think McKnight was treated horribly unfairly. Evans is 100% in that group.

Could you point me to the statements they’ve made alleging she was treated horribly unfairly?

They're all on the record.

The Jeanelle Wilkins quote is in this MoCo360 article https://moco360.media/2024/02/02/what-theyre-saying-about-mcknight-exiting-mcps/

Katz falsely claimed all the bad stuff happened before McKnight's tenure during the County Council meeting about the IG report

Jawando is referenced here expressing support for "due process" which is essentially parroting McKnight's false claims that the BOE is not allowed to ask the Superintendent to resign at any time (asking someone to resign is not the same as firing them): https://moco360.media/2024/02/02/mcknight-resigns-as-mcps-superintendent-following-turmoil-over-beidleman-investigation/

There had to be a scape goat. It was never about due process or fairness.

If you think McKnight was a "scapegoat" I think Evans is a good choice for you.

And if you want to double down on Lynne “parents don’t know how good they have it” Harris and make the BOE more white and less diverse, Lynn Stewart is your choice.

You think board seats should be allocated proportionally by race/ethnicity?

If you want a board member that ridicules Muslim students, actively worked to deport Hispanics, and takes no responsibility for the fiscal mismanagement that her board committee is responsible for, Lynne Harris is your choice.

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https://www.cleanslatemoco.com/stewart-harris-zimmerman-white-opportunity-hoarders/3282

You may not agree, but they have a point.

The fact that Laura Stewart is running to unseat one of only two Black women on the board is indeed noteworthy and said. I'm no blind defender of Shebra, because there are lots of valid criticisms to make about her performance on the board, but if Laura was as progressive as she thinks she is, she would have backed a Black woman to run against Shebra. But instead, she feels entitled to the role.

This is the main thing that matters here. Shebra is not deserving of a third term.

She’s more deserving of Stewart. I really tried to want to vote for Stewart but I just can’t after seeing her at the candidate forums. She seems nice but very much overwhelmed and in over her head.

Disagree. Stewart's been advocating at the state and county level for years. She's very well-prepared for a seat at the board table.

Key word here is advocate. There is no room for advocates on the Board of Education!

Shebra was an advocate before she got on the BOE. I like Shebra, she is smart, and over the past 8 years, she has learned a lot. However, she was a BIG supporter of McKnight. They are sorority sisters. I suspect that Shebra played a significant role in ensuring that McKnight got that $1.3 million.

Oh wait, are we voting out any BOE connected with a failed superintendents in Montgomery County? If so, where was this outrage for Josh Starr and the curriculum 2.0 and everyone that supported him? My favorite apple Ballot endorsed BOE board president from that time was consistently re-elected until she decided not to run again and no theories were forthcoming why she was such a supporter.

I’m still deciding who I plan to support for BOE but (1) I will never strictly vote Apple ballot candidates ever again based on the Josh Starr era and instead look at positions of candidates and (2) weigh the past performance with the values/position of the challenger matching up with mine when deciding about whether to vote for an incumbent or not. So that might lead me to Shebra Evans or it might not but trying to link being in the same predominantly black sorority as the past superintendent as a reason not to support them when plenty of other board members have supported unsuccessful past superintendents that had various financial packages for non-renewal, early retirement etc, is not cool. If you didn’t have that energy for the other BOE members and past presidents you can miss with that mess right now.

Starr was years ago. Move on. The current BOE failed our kids.

I would argue the past boards also failed our kids at least since Starr. But the earlier poster only wanted to hold one person accountable…not every incumbent this cycle, and didn’t give any indication that they were using the same yardstick when they voted for past BOE members. So when they tried to insinuate the connection/support to a failed superintendent was based on being in the same historically black sorority, they were definitely sending a signal. Especially because we had superintendents that failed who did not share the same sorority and BOE members that supported them and had no insinuations made as to why.

DP. I distinctly remember Evans supporting McKnight at a time when it was clear McKnight had promoted a serial sexual harasser knowing he had issues, had failed to fix the complaint process (yes she wasn't the only one, but she is one of the supers that failed on this front) and had lost the confidence of union members very very quickly. I recall Evans expressing frustration at the notion that McKnight should be fired. That made me really angry and is why I am not voting for her.

Same with Lynne Harris. Can’t believe these incumbents have any supporters left. They all need to go.

I don't remember Harris supporting McKnight the way Evans did but maybe I am wrong.

I think you’re wrong. I recall Lynne Harris being wishy washy for far too long on whether to force McKnight to resign.

So you don't recall Harris being angry that firing McKnight was even being considered?

I don't think Harris is perfect but Evans was far worse on this issue and it's not unreasonable to wonder what role Evans played in McKnight's massive payout.

citation please?

I'm basing my vote on my recollections described above. You can vote however you want and are free to provide citations if that will help you.

That’s what I figured. Just making sure your claims were just based on the vibes as I suspected.

No, based on what I remember. Do you remember something different? Specifically, was Harris angry that firing McKnight was even being considered?

How do you remember that Evans “was angry that firing McKnight was even being considered”? What public statements from Evans made you think that at the time and cause you to remember feeling that way now? What actions do you remember? Rumors about her being sorority sisters on DCUM don’t count.

No need for a citation if you can’t find one. But I’m genuinely interested in what made you feel this way. All BOE members reacted the same way publicly from what I remember - which was to say nothing for legal reasons and then make bland statements to the press. Other than Silvestre of course, who had to go before the county council and testify about it all.

I remember her suggesting as such during a BOE meeting.

I don't care about the sorority. Didn't know about the sorority thing when I made my voting decision and don't think it's remotely relevant.

Thanks for confirming that you’re just making it up. She never “suggested as such” in any meeting. Not surprising that you just have some sort of amorphous recollection that the black BOE member “suggested” she was “angry” at the firing of the black superintendent. And that it’s what you’re using to vote for her white opponent.

I'm not making it up. I have a recollection that is supported by the fact that Evans has the endorsements of Linda Plummer and Jeanette Dixon both of whom ardently defended McKnight and were really angry when she was pushed out . Don't think they would endorse someone who supported ousting

She makes a valid point.

And if you agree with Dixon, then Evans might be the candidate that most matches your values. If you don't agree with her, then Evans might not be the best choice for you.

Talk about a logical fallacy. But this thread is full of them.

Other people who have endorsed Evans are
Sidney Katz
Jeanelle Wilkins
Will Jawando

All people who think McKnight was treated horribly unfairly. Evans is 100% in that group.

Could you point me to the statements they’ve made alleging she was treated horribly unfairly?

They're all on the record.

The Jeanelle Wilkins quote is in this MoCo360 article https://moco360.media/2024/02/02/what-theyre-saying-about-mcknight-exiting-mcps/

Katz falsely claimed all the bad stuff happened before McKnight's tenure during the County Council meeting about the IG report

Jawando is referenced here expressing support for "due process" which is essentially parroting McKnight's false claims that the BOE is not allowed to ask the Superintendent to resign at any time (asking someone to resign is not the same as firing them): https://moco360.media/2024/02/02/mcknight-resigns-as-mcps-superintendent-following-turmoil-over-beidleman-investigation/

Got it. The black man uses one sentence in a page-long public statement to highlight the importance of due process and he’s “essentially parroting” claims by other the other blacks that she was “treated horribly wrong”. Do you have anything the actually proves the point you tried to baselessly make and that’s a little less racist?

It's pretty obvious what he was saying. Sorry any criticism of individual Black people offends you.

Totally obvious that one sentence calling for due process is code for “she was treated horribly wrong”. It’s almost as if you have some sort of - what’s the word - bias. Yeah, a bias that’s hard for you to acknowledge or even understand. Maybe something like an unconscious bias? The kind that takes the words of a black man saying she, like all MCPS employees, deserves due process and converts them in your brain to mean “he’s pissed and obviously thinks she was scapegoated and treated horribly wrong”

If it's racist to think our leaders should be clear that firing a Superintendent that promoted a serial sexual harasser is ok, then I am fine being "racist".

Maybe you don't like your kids' teachers or don't actually have any kids in MCPS but I really, really don't want my kid's teachers to quit. The notion that a person can have that many credible complaints and then be promoted sends a horrible message to teachers and students. It says we don't value their safety. It tells other predators that they will be fine and to carry on harassing teachers and/or students. Truly disgusting that the message was anything other than a condemnation of McKnight's choice to promote her drinking buddy.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is another viewpoint on the race for BOE.

https://www.cleanslatemoco.com/stewart-harris-zimmerman-white-opportunity-hoarders/3282

You may not agree, but they have a point.

The fact that Laura Stewart is running to unseat one of only two Black women on the board is indeed noteworthy and said. I'm no blind defender of Shebra, because there are lots of valid criticisms to make about her performance on the board, but if Laura was as progressive as she thinks she is, she would have backed a Black woman to run against Shebra. But instead, she feels entitled to the role.

This is the main thing that matters here. Shebra is not deserving of a third term.

She’s more deserving of Stewart. I really tried to want to vote for Stewart but I just can’t after seeing her at the candidate forums. She seems nice but very much overwhelmed and in over her head.

Disagree. Stewart's been advocating at the state and county level for years. She's very well-prepared for a seat at the board table.

Key word here is advocate. There is no room for advocates on the Board of Education!

Shebra was an advocate before she got on the BOE. I like Shebra, she is smart, and over the past 8 years, she has learned a lot. However, she was a BIG supporter of McKnight. They are sorority sisters. I suspect that Shebra played a significant role in ensuring that McKnight got that $1.3 million.

Oh wait, are we voting out any BOE connected with a failed superintendents in Montgomery County? If so, where was this outrage for Josh Starr and the curriculum 2.0 and everyone that supported him? My favorite apple Ballot endorsed BOE board president from that time was consistently re-elected until she decided not to run again and no theories were forthcoming why she was such a supporter.

I’m still deciding who I plan to support for BOE but (1) I will never strictly vote Apple ballot candidates ever again based on the Josh Starr era and instead look at positions of candidates and (2) weigh the past performance with the values/position of the challenger matching up with mine when deciding about whether to vote for an incumbent or not. So that might lead me to Shebra Evans or it might not but trying to link being in the same predominantly black sorority as the past superintendent as a reason not to support them when plenty of other board members have supported unsuccessful past superintendents that had various financial packages for non-renewal, early retirement etc, is not cool. If you didn’t have that energy for the other BOE members and past presidents you can miss with that mess right now.

Starr was years ago. Move on. The current BOE failed our kids.

I would argue the past boards also failed our kids at least since Starr. But the earlier poster only wanted to hold one person accountable…not every incumbent this cycle, and didn’t give any indication that they were using the same yardstick when they voted for past BOE members. So when they tried to insinuate the connection/support to a failed superintendent was based on being in the same historically black sorority, they were definitely sending a signal. Especially because we had superintendents that failed who did not share the same sorority and BOE members that supported them and had no insinuations made as to why.

DP. I distinctly remember Evans supporting McKnight at a time when it was clear McKnight had promoted a serial sexual harasser knowing he had issues, had failed to fix the complaint process (yes she wasn't the only one, but she is one of the supers that failed on this front) and had lost the confidence of union members very very quickly. I recall Evans expressing frustration at the notion that McKnight should be fired. That made me really angry and is why I am not voting for her.

Same with Lynne Harris. Can’t believe these incumbents have any supporters left. They all need to go.

I don't remember Harris supporting McKnight the way Evans did but maybe I am wrong.

I think you’re wrong. I recall Lynne Harris being wishy washy for far too long on whether to force McKnight to resign.

So you don't recall Harris being angry that firing McKnight was even being considered?

I don't think Harris is perfect but Evans was far worse on this issue and it's not unreasonable to wonder what role Evans played in McKnight's massive payout.

citation please?

I'm basing my vote on my recollections described above. You can vote however you want and are free to provide citations if that will help you.

That’s what I figured. Just making sure your claims were just based on the vibes as I suspected.

No, based on what I remember. Do you remember something different? Specifically, was Harris angry that firing McKnight was even being considered?

How do you remember that Evans “was angry that firing McKnight was even being considered”? What public statements from Evans made you think that at the time and cause you to remember feeling that way now? What actions do you remember? Rumors about her being sorority sisters on DCUM don’t count.

No need for a citation if you can’t find one. But I’m genuinely interested in what made you feel this way. All BOE members reacted the same way publicly from what I remember - which was to say nothing for legal reasons and then make bland statements to the press. Other than Silvestre of course, who had to go before the county council and testify about it all.

I remember her suggesting as such during a BOE meeting.

I don't care about the sorority. Didn't know about the sorority thing when I made my voting decision and don't think it's remotely relevant.

Thanks for confirming that you’re just making it up. She never “suggested as such” in any meeting. Not surprising that you just have some sort of amorphous recollection that the black BOE member “suggested” she was “angry” at the firing of the black superintendent. And that it’s what you’re using to vote for her white opponent.

I'm not making it up. I have a recollection that is supported by the fact that Evans has the endorsements of Linda Plummer and Jeanette Dixon both of whom ardently defended McKnight and were really angry when she was pushed out . Don't think they would endorse someone who supported ousting

She makes a valid point.

And if you agree with Dixon, then Evans might be the candidate that most matches your values. If you don't agree with her, then Evans might not be the best choice for you.

Talk about a logical fallacy. But this thread is full of them.

Other people who have endorsed Evans are
Sidney Katz
Jeanelle Wilkins
Will Jawando

All people who think McKnight was treated horribly unfairly. Evans is 100% in that group.

Could you point me to the statements they’ve made alleging she was treated horribly unfairly?

They're all on the record.

The Jeanelle Wilkins quote is in this MoCo360 article https://moco360.media/2024/02/02/what-theyre-saying-about-mcknight-exiting-mcps/

Katz falsely claimed all the bad stuff happened before McKnight's tenure during the County Council meeting about the IG report

Jawando is referenced here expressing support for "due process" which is essentially parroting McKnight's false claims that the BOE is not allowed to ask the Superintendent to resign at any time (asking someone to resign is not the same as firing them): https://moco360.media/2024/02/02/mcknight-resigns-as-mcps-superintendent-following-turmoil-over-beidleman-investigation/

Got it. The black man uses one sentence in a page-long public statement to highlight the importance of due process and he’s “essentially parroting” claims by other the other blacks that she was “treated horribly wrong”. Do you have anything the actually proves the point you tried to baselessly make and that’s a little less racist?

It's pretty obvious what he was saying. Sorry any criticism of individual Black people offends you.

Totally obvious that one sentence calling for due process is code for “she was treated horribly wrong”. It’s almost as if you have some sort of - what’s the word - bias. Yeah, a bias that’s hard for you to acknowledge or even understand. Maybe something like an unconscious bias? The kind that takes the words of a black man saying she, like all MCPS employees, deserves due process and converts them in your brain to mean “he’s pissed and obviously thinks she was scapegoated and treated horribly wrong”

If it's racist to think our leaders should be clear that firing a Superintendent that promoted a serial sexual harasser is ok, then I am fine being "racist".

Maybe you don't like your kids' teachers or don't actually have any kids in MCPS but I really, really don't want my kid's teachers to quit. The notion that a person can have that many credible complaints and then be promoted sends a horrible message to teachers and students. It says we don't value their safety. It tells other predators that they will be fine and to carry on harassing teachers and/or students. Truly disgusting that the message was anything other than a condemnation of McKnight's choice to promote her drinking buddy.

Even more disgusting that Lynne Harris voted for him to be promoted amidst all of these allegations

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Anonymous wrote:Here is another viewpoint on the race for BOE.

https://www.cleanslatemoco.com/stewart-harris-zimmerman-white-opportunity-hoarders/3282

You may not agree, but they have a point.

The fact that Laura Stewart is running to unseat one of only two Black women on the board is indeed noteworthy and said. I'm no blind defender of Shebra, because there are lots of valid criticisms to make about her performance on the board, but if Laura was as progressive as she thinks she is, she would have backed a Black woman to run against Shebra. But instead, she feels entitled to the role.

This is the main thing that matters here. Shebra is not deserving of a third term.

She’s more deserving of Stewart. I really tried to want to vote for Stewart but I just can’t after seeing her at the candidate forums. She seems nice but very much overwhelmed and in over her head.

Disagree. Stewart's been advocating at the state and county level for years. She's very well-prepared for a seat at the board table.

Key word here is advocate. There is no room for advocates on the Board of Education!

Shebra was an advocate before she got on the BOE. I like Shebra, she is smart, and over the past 8 years, she has learned a lot. However, she was a BIG supporter of McKnight. They are sorority sisters. I suspect that Shebra played a significant role in ensuring that McKnight got that $1.3 million.

Oh wait, are we voting out any BOE connected with a failed superintendents in Montgomery County? If so, where was this outrage for Josh Starr and the curriculum 2.0 and everyone that supported him? My favorite apple Ballot endorsed BOE board president from that time was consistently re-elected until she decided not to run again and no theories were forthcoming why she was such a supporter.

I’m still deciding who I plan to support for BOE but (1) I will never strictly vote Apple ballot candidates ever again based on the Josh Starr era and instead look at positions of candidates and (2) weigh the past performance with the values/position of the challenger matching up with mine when deciding about whether to vote for an incumbent or not. So that might lead me to Shebra Evans or it might not but trying to link being in the same predominantly black sorority as the past superintendent as a reason not to support them when plenty of other board members have supported unsuccessful past superintendents that had various financial packages for non-renewal, early retirement etc, is not cool. If you didn’t have that energy for the other BOE members and past presidents you can miss with that mess right now.

Starr was years ago. Move on. The current BOE failed our kids.

I would argue the past boards also failed our kids at least since Starr. But the earlier poster only wanted to hold one person accountable…not every incumbent this cycle, and didn’t give any indication that they were using the same yardstick when they voted for past BOE members. So when they tried to insinuate the connection/support to a failed superintendent was based on being in the same historically black sorority, they were definitely sending a signal. Especially because we had superintendents that failed who did not share the same sorority and BOE members that supported them and had no insinuations made as to why.

DP. I distinctly remember Evans supporting McKnight at a time when it was clear McKnight had promoted a serial sexual harasser knowing he had issues, had failed to fix the complaint process (yes she wasn't the only one, but she is one of the supers that failed on this front) and had lost the confidence of union members very very quickly. I recall Evans expressing frustration at the notion that McKnight should be fired. That made me really angry and is why I am not voting for her.

Same with Lynne Harris. Can’t believe these incumbents have any supporters left. They all need to go.

I don't remember Harris supporting McKnight the way Evans did but maybe I am wrong.

I think you’re wrong. I recall Lynne Harris being wishy washy for far too long on whether to force McKnight to resign.

So you don't recall Harris being angry that firing McKnight was even being considered?

I don't think Harris is perfect but Evans was far worse on this issue and it's not unreasonable to wonder what role Evans played in McKnight's massive payout.

citation please?

I'm basing my vote on my recollections described above. You can vote however you want and are free to provide citations if that will help you.

That’s what I figured. Just making sure your claims were just based on the vibes as I suspected.

No, based on what I remember. Do you remember something different? Specifically, was Harris angry that firing McKnight was even being considered?

How do you remember that Evans “was angry that firing McKnight was even being considered”? What public statements from Evans made you think that at the time and cause you to remember feeling that way now? What actions do you remember? Rumors about her being sorority sisters on DCUM don’t count.

No need for a citation if you can’t find one. But I’m genuinely interested in what made you feel this way. All BOE members reacted the same way publicly from what I remember - which was to say nothing for legal reasons and then make bland statements to the press. Other than Silvestre of course, who had to go before the county council and testify about it all.

I remember her suggesting as such during a BOE meeting.

I don't care about the sorority. Didn't know about the sorority thing when I made my voting decision and don't think it's remotely relevant.

Thanks for confirming that you’re just making it up. She never “suggested as such” in any meeting. Not surprising that you just have some sort of amorphous recollection that the black BOE member “suggested” she was “angry” at the firing of the black superintendent. And that it’s what you’re using to vote for her white opponent.

I'm not making it up. I have a recollection that is supported by the fact that Evans has the endorsements of Linda Plummer and Jeanette Dixon both of whom ardently defended McKnight and were really angry when she was pushed out . Don't think they would endorse someone who supported ousting

She makes a valid point.

And if you agree with Dixon, then Evans might be the candidate that most matches your values. If you don't agree with her, then Evans might not be the best choice for you.

Talk about a logical fallacy. But this thread is full of them.

Other people who have endorsed Evans are
Sidney Katz
Jeanelle Wilkins
Will Jawando

All people who think McKnight was treated horribly unfairly. Evans is 100% in that group.

Could you point me to the statements they’ve made alleging she was treated horribly unfairly?

They're all on the record.

The Jeanelle Wilkins quote is in this MoCo360 article https://moco360.media/2024/02/02/what-theyre-saying-about-mcknight-exiting-mcps/

Katz falsely claimed all the bad stuff happened before McKnight's tenure during the County Council meeting about the IG report

Jawando is referenced here expressing support for "due process" which is essentially parroting McKnight's false claims that the BOE is not allowed to ask the Superintendent to resign at any time (asking someone to resign is not the same as firing them): https://moco360.media/2024/02/02/mcknight-resigns-as-mcps-superintendent-following-turmoil-over-beidleman-investigation/

Got it. The black man uses one sentence in a page-long public statement to highlight the importance of due process and he’s “essentially parroting” claims by other the other blacks that she was “treated horribly wrong”. Do you have anything the actually proves the point you tried to baselessly make and that’s a little less racist?

It's pretty obvious what he was saying. Sorry any criticism of individual Black people offends you.

Totally obvious that one sentence calling for due process is code for “she was treated horribly wrong”. It’s almost as if you have some sort of - what’s the word - bias. Yeah, a bias that’s hard for you to acknowledge or even understand. Maybe something like an unconscious bias? The kind that takes the words of a black man saying she, like all MCPS employees, deserves due process and converts them in your brain to mean “he’s pissed and obviously thinks she was scapegoated and treated horribly wrong”

If it's racist to think our leaders should be clear that firing a Superintendent that promoted a serial sexual harasser is ok, then I am fine being "racist".

Maybe you don't like your kids' teachers or don't actually have any kids in MCPS but I really, really don't want my kid's teachers to quit. The notion that a person can have that many credible complaints and then be promoted sends a horrible message to teachers and students. It says we don't value their safety. It tells other predators that they will be fine and to carry on harassing teachers and/or students. Truly disgusting that the message was anything other than a condemnation of McKnight's choice to promote her drinking buddy.

Even more disgusting that Lynne Harris voted for him to be promoted amidst all of these allegations

Why is it "more disgusting" than McKnight actually promoting him? Why isn't it disgusting that Evans voted to promote him?

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https://www.cleanslatemoco.com/stewart-harris-zimmerman-white-opportunity-hoarders/3282

You may not agree, but they have a point.

The fact that Laura Stewart is running to unseat one of only two Black women on the board is indeed noteworthy and said. I'm no blind defender of Shebra, because there are lots of valid criticisms to make about her performance on the board, but if Laura was as progressive as she thinks she is, she would have backed a Black woman to run against Shebra. But instead, she feels entitled to the role.

This is the main thing that matters here. Shebra is not deserving of a third term.

She’s more deserving of Stewart. I really tried to want to vote for Stewart but I just can’t after seeing her at the candidate forums. She seems nice but very much overwhelmed and in over her head.

Disagree. Stewart's been advocating at the state and county level for years. She's very well-prepared for a seat at the board table.

Key word here is advocate. There is no room for advocates on the Board of Education!

Shebra was an advocate before she got on the BOE. I like Shebra, she is smart, and over the past 8 years, she has learned a lot. However, she was a BIG supporter of McKnight. They are sorority sisters. I suspect that Shebra played a significant role in ensuring that McKnight got that $1.3 million.

Oh wait, are we voting out any BOE connected with a failed superintendents in Montgomery County? If so, where was this outrage for Josh Starr and the curriculum 2.0 and everyone that supported him? My favorite apple Ballot endorsed BOE board president from that time was consistently re-elected until she decided not to run again and no theories were forthcoming why she was such a supporter.

I’m still deciding who I plan to support for BOE but (1) I will never strictly vote Apple ballot candidates ever again based on the Josh Starr era and instead look at positions of candidates and (2) weigh the past performance with the values/position of the challenger matching up with mine when deciding about whether to vote for an incumbent or not. So that might lead me to Shebra Evans or it might not but trying to link being in the same predominantly black sorority as the past superintendent as a reason not to support them when plenty of other board members have supported unsuccessful past superintendents that had various financial packages for non-renewal, early retirement etc, is not cool. If you didn’t have that energy for the other BOE members and past presidents you can miss with that mess right now.

Starr was years ago. Move on. The current BOE failed our kids.

I would argue the past boards also failed our kids at least since Starr. But the earlier poster only wanted to hold one person accountable…not every incumbent this cycle, and didn’t give any indication that they were using the same yardstick when they voted for past BOE members. So when they tried to insinuate the connection/support to a failed superintendent was based on being in the same historically black sorority, they were definitely sending a signal. Especially because we had superintendents that failed who did not share the same sorority and BOE members that supported them and had no insinuations made as to why.

DP. I distinctly remember Evans supporting McKnight at a time when it was clear McKnight had promoted a serial sexual harasser knowing he had issues, had failed to fix the complaint process (yes she wasn't the only one, but she is one of the supers that failed on this front) and had lost the confidence of union members very very quickly. I recall Evans expressing frustration at the notion that McKnight should be fired. That made me really angry and is why I am not voting for her.

Same with Lynne Harris. Can’t believe these incumbents have any supporters left. They all need to go.

I don't remember Harris supporting McKnight the way Evans did but maybe I am wrong.

I think you’re wrong. I recall Lynne Harris being wishy washy for far too long on whether to force McKnight to resign.

So you don't recall Harris being angry that firing McKnight was even being considered?

I don't think Harris is perfect but Evans was far worse on this issue and it's not unreasonable to wonder what role Evans played in McKnight's massive payout.

citation please?

I'm basing my vote on my recollections described above. You can vote however you want and are free to provide citations if that will help you.

That’s what I figured. Just making sure your claims were just based on the vibes as I suspected.

No, based on what I remember. Do you remember something different? Specifically, was Harris angry that firing McKnight was even being considered?

How do you remember that Evans “was angry that firing McKnight was even being considered”? What public statements from Evans made you think that at the time and cause you to remember feeling that way now? What actions do you remember? Rumors about her being sorority sisters on DCUM don’t count.

No need for a citation if you can’t find one. But I’m genuinely interested in what made you feel this way. All BOE members reacted the same way publicly from what I remember - which was to say nothing for legal reasons and then make bland statements to the press. Other than Silvestre of course, who had to go before the county council and testify about it all.

I remember her suggesting as such during a BOE meeting.

I don't care about the sorority. Didn't know about the sorority thing when I made my voting decision and don't think it's remotely relevant.

Thanks for confirming that you’re just making it up. She never “suggested as such” in any meeting. Not surprising that you just have some sort of amorphous recollection that the black BOE member “suggested” she was “angry” at the firing of the black superintendent. And that it’s what you’re using to vote for her white opponent.

I'm not making it up. I have a recollection that is supported by the fact that Evans has the endorsements of Linda Plummer and Jeanette Dixon both of whom ardently defended McKnight and were really angry when she was pushed out . Don't think they would endorse someone who supported ousting

She makes a valid point.

And if you agree with Dixon, then Evans might be the candidate that most matches your values. If you don't agree with her, then Evans might not be the best choice for you.

Talk about a logical fallacy. But this thread is full of them.

Other people who have endorsed Evans are
Sidney Katz
Jeanelle Wilkins
Will Jawando

All people who think McKnight was treated horribly unfairly. Evans is 100% in that group.

Could you point me to the statements they’ve made alleging she was treated horribly unfairly?

They're all on the record.

The Jeanelle Wilkins quote is in this MoCo360 article https://moco360.media/2024/02/02/what-theyre-saying-about-mcknight-exiting-mcps/

Katz falsely claimed all the bad stuff happened before McKnight's tenure during the County Council meeting about the IG report

Jawando is referenced here expressing support for "due process" which is essentially parroting McKnight's false claims that the BOE is not allowed to ask the Superintendent to resign at any time (asking someone to resign is not the same as firing them): https://moco360.media/2024/02/02/mcknight-resigns-as-mcps-superintendent-following-turmoil-over-beidleman-investigation/

There had to be a scape goat. It was never about due process or fairness.

If you think McKnight was a "scapegoat" I think Evans is a good choice for you.

And if you want to double down on Lynne “parents don’t know how good they have it” Harris and make the BOE more white and less diverse, Lynn Stewart is your choice.

You think board seats should be allocated proportionally by race/ethnicity?

Let's flip it: Do you think it's ok for a board to not reflect the population it serves?

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https://www.cleanslatemoco.com/stewart-harris-zimmerman-white-opportunity-hoarders/3282

You may not agree, but they have a point.

The fact that Laura Stewart is running to unseat one of only two Black women on the board is indeed noteworthy and said. I'm no blind defender of Shebra, because there are lots of valid criticisms to make about her performance on the board, but if Laura was as progressive as she thinks she is, she would have backed a Black woman to run against Shebra. But instead, she feels entitled to the role.

This is the main thing that matters here. Shebra is not deserving of a third term.

She’s more deserving of Stewart. I really tried to want to vote for Stewart but I just can’t after seeing her at the candidate forums. She seems nice but very much overwhelmed and in over her head.

Disagree. Stewart's been advocating at the state and county level for years. She's very well-prepared for a seat at the board table.

Key word here is advocate. There is no room for advocates on the Board of Education!

Shebra was an advocate before she got on the BOE. I like Shebra, she is smart, and over the past 8 years, she has learned a lot. However, she was a BIG supporter of McKnight. They are sorority sisters. I suspect that Shebra played a significant role in ensuring that McKnight got that $1.3 million.

Oh wait, are we voting out any BOE connected with a failed superintendents in Montgomery County? If so, where was this outrage for Josh Starr and the curriculum 2.0 and everyone that supported him? My favorite apple Ballot endorsed BOE board president from that time was consistently re-elected until she decided not to run again and no theories were forthcoming why she was such a supporter.

I’m still deciding who I plan to support for BOE but (1) I will never strictly vote Apple ballot candidates ever again based on the Josh Starr era and instead look at positions of candidates and (2) weigh the past performance with the values/position of the challenger matching up with mine when deciding about whether to vote for an incumbent or not. So that might lead me to Shebra Evans or it might not but trying to link being in the same predominantly black sorority as the past superintendent as a reason not to support them when plenty of other board members have supported unsuccessful past superintendents that had various financial packages for non-renewal, early retirement etc, is not cool. If you didn’t have that energy for the other BOE members and past presidents you can miss with that mess right now.

Starr was years ago. Move on. The current BOE failed our kids.

I would argue the past boards also failed our kids at least since Starr. But the earlier poster only wanted to hold one person accountable…not every incumbent this cycle, and didn’t give any indication that they were using the same yardstick when they voted for past BOE members. So when they tried to insinuate the connection/support to a failed superintendent was based on being in the same historically black sorority, they were definitely sending a signal. Especially because we had superintendents that failed who did not share the same sorority and BOE members that supported them and had no insinuations made as to why.

DP. I distinctly remember Evans supporting McKnight at a time when it was clear McKnight had promoted a serial sexual harasser knowing he had issues, had failed to fix the complaint process (yes she wasn't the only one, but she is one of the supers that failed on this front) and had lost the confidence of union members very very quickly. I recall Evans expressing frustration at the notion that McKnight should be fired. That made me really angry and is why I am not voting for her.

Same with Lynne Harris. Can’t believe these incumbents have any supporters left. They all need to go.

I don't remember Harris supporting McKnight the way Evans did but maybe I am wrong.

I think you’re wrong. I recall Lynne Harris being wishy washy for far too long on whether to force McKnight to resign.

So you don't recall Harris being angry that firing McKnight was even being considered?

I don't think Harris is perfect but Evans was far worse on this issue and it's not unreasonable to wonder what role Evans played in McKnight's massive payout.

citation please?

I'm basing my vote on my recollections described above. You can vote however you want and are free to provide citations if that will help you.

That’s what I figured. Just making sure your claims were just based on the vibes as I suspected.

No, based on what I remember. Do you remember something different? Specifically, was Harris angry that firing McKnight was even being considered?

How do you remember that Evans “was angry that firing McKnight was even being considered”? What public statements from Evans made you think that at the time and cause you to remember feeling that way now? What actions do you remember? Rumors about her being sorority sisters on DCUM don’t count.

No need for a citation if you can’t find one. But I’m genuinely interested in what made you feel this way. All BOE members reacted the same way publicly from what I remember - which was to say nothing for legal reasons and then make bland statements to the press. Other than Silvestre of course, who had to go before the county council and testify about it all.

I remember her suggesting as such during a BOE meeting.

I don't care about the sorority. Didn't know about the sorority thing when I made my voting decision and don't think it's remotely relevant.

Thanks for confirming that you’re just making it up. She never “suggested as such” in any meeting. Not surprising that you just have some sort of amorphous recollection that the black BOE member “suggested” she was “angry” at the firing of the black superintendent. And that it’s what you’re using to vote for her white opponent.

I'm not making it up. I have a recollection that is supported by the fact that Evans has the endorsements of Linda Plummer and Jeanette Dixon both of whom ardently defended McKnight and were really angry when she was pushed out . Don't think they would endorse someone who supported ousting

She makes a valid point.

And if you agree with Dixon, then Evans might be the candidate that most matches your values. If you don't agree with her, then Evans might not be the best choice for you.

Talk about a logical fallacy. But this thread is full of them.

Other people who have endorsed Evans are
Sidney Katz
Jeanelle Wilkins
Will Jawando

All people who think McKnight was treated horribly unfairly. Evans is 100% in that group.

Could you point me to the statements they’ve made alleging she was treated horribly unfairly?

They're all on the record.

The Jeanelle Wilkins quote is in this MoCo360 article https://moco360.media/2024/02/02/what-theyre-saying-about-mcknight-exiting-mcps/

Katz falsely claimed all the bad stuff happened before McKnight's tenure during the County Council meeting about the IG report

Jawando is referenced here expressing support for "due process" which is essentially parroting McKnight's false claims that the BOE is not allowed to ask the Superintendent to resign at any time (asking someone to resign is not the same as firing them): https://moco360.media/2024/02/02/mcknight-resigns-as-mcps-superintendent-following-turmoil-over-beidleman-investigation/

There had to be a scape goat. It was never about due process or fairness.

If you think McKnight was a "scapegoat" I think Evans is a good choice for you.

And if you want to double down on Lynne “parents don’t know how good they have it” Harris and make the BOE more white and less diverse, Lynn Stewart is your choice.

You think board seats should be allocated proportionally by race/ethnicity?

Let's flip it: Do you think it's ok for a board to not reflect the population it serves?

With 8 members you're never going to be exact. Right now there are 2 Black women on the Board out of 8 seats. No Black men. 2 out of 8 is 25% which is more than the percentage of the population that is Black (18%), men and women. If Evans is voted out there will be 1 Black woman out of 8 which is 12%, which is actually slightly closer 18%. There are currently 2 Latinas which is 25% more than their population percentage of 20%. There are 2 Asian members, so 25% versus a population percentage of 15%. And there are 2 White men ers which is much lower than their population percentage of 41%. So White people are the only racial group that are currently underrepresented. And of course there is only one man.

In any case the notion that any given candidate deserves a seat purely because of their race is absurd.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is another viewpoint on the race for BOE.

https://www.cleanslatemoco.com/stewart-harris-zimmerman-white-opportunity-hoarders/3282

You may not agree, but they have a point.

The fact that Laura Stewart is running to unseat one of only two Black women on the board is indeed noteworthy and said. I'm no blind defender of Shebra, because there are lots of valid criticisms to make about her performance on the board, but if Laura was as progressive as she thinks she is, she would have backed a Black woman to run against Shebra. But instead, she feels entitled to the role.

This is the main thing that matters here. Shebra is not deserving of a third term.

She’s more deserving of Stewart. I really tried to want to vote for Stewart but I just can’t after seeing her at the candidate forums. She seems nice but very much overwhelmed and in over her head.

Disagree. Stewart's been advocating at the state and county level for years. She's very well-prepared for a seat at the board table.

Key word here is advocate. There is no room for advocates on the Board of Education!

Shebra was an advocate before she got on the BOE. I like Shebra, she is smart, and over the past 8 years, she has learned a lot. However, she was a BIG supporter of McKnight. They are sorority sisters. I suspect that Shebra played a significant role in ensuring that McKnight got that $1.3 million.

Oh wait, are we voting out any BOE connected with a failed superintendents in Montgomery County? If so, where was this outrage for Josh Starr and the curriculum 2.0 and everyone that supported him? My favorite apple Ballot endorsed BOE board president from that time was consistently re-elected until she decided not to run again and no theories were forthcoming why she was such a supporter.

I’m still deciding who I plan to support for BOE but (1) I will never strictly vote Apple ballot candidates ever again based on the Josh Starr era and instead look at positions of candidates and (2) weigh the past performance with the values/position of the challenger matching up with mine when deciding about whether to vote for an incumbent or not. So that might lead me to Shebra Evans or it might not but trying to link being in the same predominantly black sorority as the past superintendent as a reason not to support them when plenty of other board members have supported unsuccessful past superintendents that had various financial packages for non-renewal, early retirement etc, is not cool. If you didn’t have that energy for the other BOE members and past presidents you can miss with that mess right now.

Starr was years ago. Move on. The current BOE failed our kids.

I would argue the past boards also failed our kids at least since Starr. But the earlier poster only wanted to hold one person accountable…not every incumbent this cycle, and didn’t give any indication that they were using the same yardstick when they voted for past BOE members. So when they tried to insinuate the connection/support to a failed superintendent was based on being in the same historically black sorority, they were definitely sending a signal. Especially because we had superintendents that failed who did not share the same sorority and BOE members that supported them and had no insinuations made as to why.

DP. I distinctly remember Evans supporting McKnight at a time when it was clear McKnight had promoted a serial sexual harasser knowing he had issues, had failed to fix the complaint process (yes she wasn't the only one, but she is one of the supers that failed on this front) and had lost the confidence of union members very very quickly. I recall Evans expressing frustration at the notion that McKnight should be fired. That made me really angry and is why I am not voting for her.

Same with Lynne Harris. Can’t believe these incumbents have any supporters left. They all need to go.

I don't remember Harris supporting McKnight the way Evans did but maybe I am wrong.

I think you’re wrong. I recall Lynne Harris being wishy washy for far too long on whether to force McKnight to resign.

So you don't recall Harris being angry that firing McKnight was even being considered?

I don't think Harris is perfect but Evans was far worse on this issue and it's not unreasonable to wonder what role Evans played in McKnight's massive payout.

citation please?

I'm basing my vote on my recollections described above. You can vote however you want and are free to provide citations if that will help you.

That’s what I figured. Just making sure your claims were just based on the vibes as I suspected.

No, based on what I remember. Do you remember something different? Specifically, was Harris angry that firing McKnight was even being considered?

How do you remember that Evans “was angry that firing McKnight was even being considered”? What public statements from Evans made you think that at the time and cause you to remember feeling that way now? What actions do you remember? Rumors about her being sorority sisters on DCUM don’t count.

No need for a citation if you can’t find one. But I’m genuinely interested in what made you feel this way. All BOE members reacted the same way publicly from what I remember - which was to say nothing for legal reasons and then make bland statements to the press. Other than Silvestre of course, who had to go before the county council and testify about it all.

I remember her suggesting as such during a BOE meeting.

I don't care about the sorority. Didn't know about the sorority thing when I made my voting decision and don't think it's remotely relevant.

Thanks for confirming that you’re just making it up. She never “suggested as such” in any meeting. Not surprising that you just have some sort of amorphous recollection that the black BOE member “suggested” she was “angry” at the firing of the black superintendent. And that it’s what you’re using to vote for her white opponent.

I'm not making it up. I have a recollection that is supported by the fact that Evans has the endorsements of Linda Plummer and Jeanette Dixon both of whom ardently defended McKnight and were really angry when she was pushed out . Don't think they would endorse someone who supported ousting

She makes a valid point.

And if you agree with Dixon, then Evans might be the candidate that most matches your values. If you don't agree with her, then Evans might not be the best choice for you.

Talk about a logical fallacy. But this thread is full of them.

Other people who have endorsed Evans are
Sidney Katz
Jeanelle Wilkins
Will Jawando

All people who think McKnight was treated horribly unfairly. Evans is 100% in that group.

Could you point me to the statements they’ve made alleging she was treated horribly unfairly?

They're all on the record.

The Jeanelle Wilkins quote is in this MoCo360 article https://moco360.media/2024/02/02/what-theyre-saying-about-mcknight-exiting-mcps/

Katz falsely claimed all the bad stuff happened before McKnight's tenure during the County Council meeting about the IG report

Jawando is referenced here expressing support for "due process" which is essentially parroting McKnight's false claims that the BOE is not allowed to ask the Superintendent to resign at any time (asking someone to resign is not the same as firing them): https://moco360.media/2024/02/02/mcknight-resigns-as-mcps-superintendent-following-turmoil-over-beidleman-investigation/

There had to be a scape goat. It was never about due process or fairness.

If you think McKnight was a "scapegoat" I think Evans is a good choice for you.

And if you want to double down on Lynne “parents don’t know how good they have it” Harris and make the BOE more white and less diverse, Lynn Stewart is your choice.

You think board seats should be allocated proportionally by race/ethnicity?

I don't. In fact, I don't even consider the candidate's race but vote based on their positions. I also am not inclined to vote for incumbents.