ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Because ECNL is the daddy of all and says so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Point still stands. The huge huge clubs will be even more successful.

Go to ECNL website and look at the champions dating back to 2011. Same big clubs winning.

When your club is cash rich it allows you do more to help build up your club. Add great players at a discount for multiple teams, add more quality coaches, not be desperate for money and you can choose quality over quantity.

The same clubs win because they have the money to operate in a way the brings in and develops and retains top talent.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is going to get worse and worse the closer we get to Nov 22nd

Yep I'd imagine ECNL is regretting they stepped in this big stinking pile of poo.

The more people learn about BY and SY the more they realize it's better to just leave alone.

I do t think they are getting the response they thought they would. Everything is fine now.

College Soccer must really be applying pressure for them to change this.

U. S. Soccer does not want to change BY to SY. It is not happening. Don't hold your breath.

Why does U.S. Soccer have to have a mandate for youth leagues re birth year vs. school year? That hasn't been explained in this entire thread.

ECNL said federation has influence not authority here so some moot positions being floated around about the federations stance.

What they meant was that ECNL has multiple options to achieve SY. Even if US Soccer says no ECNL can implement SY in different ways.

You sure? ECNL said, "...in theory a lot of different people could make the decision to do what they want. The Federation has some influence on that but there is a you know real question of whether there is any authority tied to it."

The vote is just a formality at this point. All the leagues have been in discussions for more than a year. What you will see happen is US soccer will approve a change in the birth month mandate but will push it back to the governing bodies.

What that means is we will not have a 100% mandate like we did before. Some leagues like mls next will stay birth year and some leagues like ECNL go grad year and some leagues like us club and USYS then put a 2 year start time (Fall 26) for teams to be in compliance for league play.

This gives more time to clubs but in reality the change this time will be easier because no players have to be removed from the team so this will allow clubs to add players in quickly or slowly.

The only effect it will have for next year is for tournaments which you will just see some teams considered playing up as most teams will probably just start adding new players as soon as it’s announced.

What makes you think US Soccer will push back to the youth leagues?

I’ve always been told by league officials and board members this will not be a mandate like before. Also if you read the DPL announcement they allude to this as well. I believe it was mentioned in the SOCAL email sent to club directors.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is going to get worse and worse the closer we get to Nov 22nd

Yep I'd imagine ECNL is regretting they stepped in this big stinking pile of poo.

The more people learn about BY and SY the more they realize it's better to just leave alone.

I do t think they are getting the response they thought they would. Everything is fine now.

College Soccer must really be applying pressure for them to change this.

U. S. Soccer does not want to change BY to SY. It is not happening. Don't hold your breath.

Why does U.S. Soccer have to have a mandate for youth leagues re birth year vs. school year? That hasn't been explained in this entire thread.

ECNL said federation has influence not authority here so some moot positions being floated around about the federations stance.

What they meant was that ECNL has multiple options to achieve SY. Even if US Soccer says no ECNL can implement SY in different ways.

You sure? ECNL said, "...in theory a lot of different people could make the decision to do what they want. The Federation has some influence on that but there is a you know real question of whether there is any authority tied to it."

The vote is just a formality at this point. All the leagues have been in discussions for more than a year. What you will see happen is US soccer will approve a change in the birth month mandate but will push it back to the governing bodies.

What that means is we will not have a 100% mandate like we did before. Some leagues like mls next will stay birth year and some leagues like ECNL go grad year and some leagues like us club and USYS then put a 2 year start time (Fall 26) for teams to be in compliance for league play.

This gives more time to clubs but in reality the change this time will be easier because no players have to be removed from the team so this will allow clubs to add players in quickly or slowly.

The only effect it will have for next year is for tournaments which you will just see some teams considered playing up as most teams will probably just start adding new players as soon as it’s announced.

ECNL will go grad year for sure?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is going to get worse and worse the closer we get to Nov 22nd

Yep I'd imagine ECNL is regretting they stepped in this big stinking pile of poo.

The more people learn about BY and SY the more they realize it's better to just leave alone.

I do t think they are getting the response they thought they would. Everything is fine now.

College Soccer must really be applying pressure for them to change this.

U. S. Soccer does not want to change BY to SY. It is not happening. Don't hold your breath.

Why does U.S. Soccer have to have a mandate for youth leagues re birth year vs. school year? That hasn't been explained in this entire thread.

ECNL said federation has influence not authority here so some moot positions being floated around about the federations stance.

What they meant was that ECNL has multiple options to achieve SY. Even if US Soccer says no ECNL can implement SY in different ways.

You sure? ECNL said, "...in theory a lot of different people could make the decision to do what they want. The Federation has some influence on that but there is a you know real question of whether there is any authority tied to it."

The vote is just a formality at this point. All the leagues have been in discussions for more than a year. What you will see happen is US soccer will approve a change in the birth month mandate but will push it back to the governing bodies.

What that means is we will not have a 100% mandate like we did before. Some leagues like mls next will stay birth year and some leagues like ECNL go grad year and some leagues like us club and USYS then put a 2 year start time (Fall 26) for teams to be in compliance for league play.

This gives more time to clubs but in reality the change this time will be easier because no players have to be removed from the team so this will allow clubs to add players in quickly or slowly.

The only effect it will have for next year is for tournaments which you will just see some teams considered playing up as most teams will probably just start adding new players as soon as it’s announced.

What makes you think US Soccer will push back to the youth leagues?

I’ve always been told by league officials and board members this will not be a mandate like before. Also if you read the DPL announcement they allude to this as well. I believe it was mentioned in the SOCAL email sent to club directors.

Which league?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is going to get worse and worse the closer we get to Nov 22nd

Yep I'd imagine ECNL is regretting they stepped in this big stinking pile of poo.

The more people learn about BY and SY the more they realize it's better to just leave alone.

I do t think they are getting the response they thought they would. Everything is fine now.

College Soccer must really be applying pressure for them to change this.

U. S. Soccer does not want to change BY to SY. It is not happening. Don't hold your breath.

Why does U.S. Soccer have to have a mandate for youth leagues re birth year vs. school year? That hasn't been explained in this entire thread.

ECNL said federation has influence not authority here so some moot positions being floated around about the federations stance.

What they meant was that ECNL has multiple options to achieve SY. Even if US Soccer says no ECNL can implement SY in different ways.

You sure? ECNL said, "...in theory a lot of different people could make the decision to do what they want. The Federation has some influence on that but there is a you know real question of whether there is any authority tied to it."

The vote is just a formality at this point. All the leagues have been in discussions for more than a year. What you will see happen is US soccer will approve a change in the birth month mandate but will push it back to the governing bodies.

What that means is we will not have a 100% mandate like we did before. Some leagues like mls next will stay birth year and some leagues like ECNL go grad year and some leagues like us club and USYS then put a 2 year start time (Fall 26) for teams to be in compliance for league play.

This gives more time to clubs but in reality the change this time will be easier because no players have to be removed from the team so this will allow clubs to add players in quickly or slowly.

The only effect it will have for next year is for tournaments which you will just see some teams considered playing up as most teams will probably just start adding new players as soon as it’s announced.

What makes you think US Soccer will push back to the youth leagues?

I’ve always been told by league officials and board members this will not be a mandate like before. Also if you read the DPL announcement they allude to this as well. I believe it was mentioned in the SOCAL email sent to club directors.

Which league?

SOCAL League board member is also a coach at my kids club.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is going to get worse and worse the closer we get to Nov 22nd

Yep I'd imagine ECNL is regretting they stepped in this big stinking pile of poo.

The more people learn about BY and SY the more they realize it's better to just leave alone.

I do t think they are getting the response they thought they would. Everything is fine now.

College Soccer must really be applying pressure for them to change this.

U. S. Soccer does not want to change BY to SY. It is not happening. Don't hold your breath.

Why does U.S. Soccer have to have a mandate for youth leagues re birth year vs. school year? That hasn't been explained in this entire thread.

ECNL said federation has influence not authority here so some moot positions being floated around about the federations stance.

What they meant was that ECNL has multiple options to achieve SY. Even if US Soccer says no ECNL can implement SY in different ways.

You sure? ECNL said, "...in theory a lot of different people could make the decision to do what they want. The Federation has some influence on that but there is a you know real question of whether there is any authority tied to it."

The vote is just a formality at this point. All the leagues have been in discussions for more than a year. What you will see happen is US soccer will approve a change in the birth month mandate but will push it back to the governing bodies.

What that means is we will not have a 100% mandate like we did before. Some leagues like mls next will stay birth year and some leagues like ECNL go grad year and some leagues like us club and USYS then put a 2 year start time (Fall 26) for teams to be in compliance for league play.

This gives more time to clubs but in reality the change this time will be easier because no players have to be removed from the team so this will allow clubs to add players in quickly or slowly.

The only effect it will have for next year is for tournaments which you will just see some teams considered playing up as most teams will probably just start adding new players as soon as it’s announced.

ECNL will go grad year for sure?

That was just a guess from a rumor I heard. I actually don’t know that as a fact.

[Anonymous]

So SOCAL league board member is communicating that a change is coming? Pages back people are saying SOCAL is going to fight against a change with their muscle power. Seems like people need to accept the reality that change is coming…

[Anonymous]

You folks that think ecnl can do no wrong will see. You better hope your kid isn’t mediocre or an older trap player is bumping your kid.

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Anonymous wrote:So SOCAL league board member is communicating that a change is coming? Pages back people are saying SOCAL is going to fight against a change with their muscle power. Seems like people need to accept the reality that change is coming…

Or, people need to stop making things up and attributing it to SOCAL.

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Anonymous wrote:You folks that think ecnl can do no wrong will see. You better hope your kid isn’t mediocre or an older trap player is bumping your kid.

I think the earlier BY parents argument was "work harder", right?

[Anonymous]

Also remember…people and parents have gotten very very sensitive since 2017. Angry parents with $$$ will not hold back their frustrations.

[Anonymous]

All the BY proponents have, for some reason, latched on to a new strategy "wont someone think of the clubs".

In practical terms the clubs will be just fine. They will be able to set new teams based on a shifted date in about an hour.

No girl that really loves soccer (basically the definition of playing for ECNL club, especially at older ages) is going to quit soccer because of this. Maybe they switch clubs but that is zero sum so it evens out.

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Anonymous wrote:All the BY proponents have, for some reason, latched on to a new strategy "wont someone think of the clubs".

In practical terms the clubs will be just fine. They will be able to set new teams based on a shifted date in about an hour.

No girl that really loves soccer (basically the definition of playing for ECNL club, especially at older ages) is going to quit soccer because of this. Maybe they switch clubs but that is zero sum so it evens out.

And the best you got is playing soccer with friends… like what?

If you care so much about playing soccer with friends then play rec. no competitive player cares about that because you will make friends with your teammates.


Do you think ECNL really cares about Trapped players that much? Just think about that. When has a business ever done something to truly benefit their clients?

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Anonymous wrote:All the BY proponents have, for some reason, latched on to a new strategy "wont someone think of the clubs".

In practical terms the clubs will be just fine. They will be able to set new teams based on a shifted date in about an hour.

No girl that really loves soccer (basically the definition of playing for ECNL club, especially at older ages) is going to quit soccer because of this. Maybe they switch clubs but that is zero sum so it evens out.

And the best you got is playing soccer with friends… like what?

If you care so much about playing soccer with friends then play rec. no competitive player cares about that because you will make friends with your teammates.


Do you think ECNL really cares about Trapped players that much? Just think about that. When has a business ever done something to truly benefit their clients?

If you dont think trapped players get shafted more than the random girl on the bottom end of a roster that had, BTW, every advantage of RAE, then I am not sure what to tell you. I think that is wrong.

Additionally, the SY vs BY has been requested, over and over again, by college coaches. All the people on here that said college is going to start paying players and it is going to be professionalized are absolutely nuts. No money for that, plus girls use soccer as a means to go to school or to get into a better school, not because the actual soccer is the end game. 4 years vs 40 years. College soccer is not going away any time soon so catering to college coaches is meaningful and yes, they are the customers.

Finally the playing with friends dynamic is for U-littles. Makes zero difference right now to ECNL clubs. But guess what. You get enough kids in the top of the funnel then more ECNL (and USWNT, etc) players will come out the bottom. That is just common sense.
You may think trapped players are no big deal. So be it.