Tufts

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is Tufts growing in reputation? Will it ever reach Duke/Northwestern/UChicago reputation level? Or is it stagnant

Nope, stagnate is the wrong word. Schools that are stagnant are the ones that fall in the rankings. Division III schools at Tufts level without the money to do huge campus improvements have to work hard just to stay where they are. That said big changes are coming because of a recent Supreme Court decision on college sports. I don’t think anyone knows what will happen to DI schools like Duke that rake in millions of dollars through TV rights, licensing, ticket sales etc because of their sports programs.



“ Last month, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled against the NCAA preserving the amateurism of student athletes by limiting educational benefits. The ruling gives college athletes the opportunity to benefit from their name, image and likeness through third-party endorsement deals, selling apparel and charging appearance fees.

“Between this name, image and likeness, this thing that just came down from the Supreme Court, I think we’re getting ready for Armageddon,” [Charles] Barkley told his co-host Ernie Johnson and Duke head coach Mike Krzyzewski on The Steam Room podcast.

“You said it earlier, we’re in trouble right now,” Barkley continued. “Cause I have no idea what’s gonna happen in the next few years of college sports. How many programs are gonna be disbanded, how many sports are gonna be cancelled.”

“It’s clearly gonna become an arms race,” Barkley said. “If I’m a kid, and I got to decide where to go to college…you’re gonna say to yourself ‘where can I sell the most jerseys? Where can I get a car deal? I’m going to a big school.’ I’m really concerned of where college athletics are going.”

Coach K didn’t do much to ease Chuck’s apprehension about the future of college sports. “You guys have a right to be concerned,” Krzyzewski said. “And I think universities will start making decisions as to just what they wanna do if they’re in collegiate sports programs…we’re part of the university, we’re not THE university.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/charles-barkley-believes-e2-80-98armageddon-e2-80-99-is-coming-for-ncaa-after-supreme-court-decision-e2-80-98we-e2-80-99re-in-trouble-right-now-e2-80-99/ar-AAMehca

[Anonymous]

NIL will have zero impact on athletes who want to go to D3 schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NIL will have zero impact on athletes who want to go to D3 schools.

That’s right, but there are a lot of NCAA Division I schools in top 50 US News & World Report rankings. If DI sports becomes an arms race for talent it could have a cascading effect. Maybe schools like Duke and Notre Dame with established winning sports programs benefit and come out ahead, while others with smaller programs that make money just by playing and losing to other DI teams suffer. Maybe some schools are forced to drop down to DII or DIII losing revenue and talent which leads to less sports revenue and alum enthusiasm which leads to fewer donations which leads to a drop in rankings…
It has zero impact on D3 athletes and zero short term impact on DI athletes, but something is going to change.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NIL will have zero impact on athletes who want to go to D3 schools.

That’s right, but there are a lot of NCAA Division I schools in top 50 US News & World Report rankings. If DI sports becomes an arms race for talent it could have a cascading effect. Maybe schools like Duke and Notre Dame with established winning sports programs benefit and come out ahead, while others with smaller programs that make money just by playing and losing to other DI teams suffer. Maybe some schools are forced to drop down to DII or DIII losing revenue and talent which leads to less sports revenue and alum enthusiasm which leads to fewer donations which leads to a drop in rankings…
It has zero impact on D3 athletes and zero short term impact on DI athletes, but something is going to change.

I realize there are some whose lives revolve around the culture of college sports. In many ways college athletics is a whole separate track and it exists for a different group for whom academics is an afterthought. That simply is not relevant to the folks participating on this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NIL will have zero impact on athletes who want to go to D3 schools.

That’s right, but there are a lot of NCAA Division I schools in top 50 US News & World Report rankings. If DI sports becomes an arms race for talent it could have a cascading effect. Maybe schools like Duke and Notre Dame with established winning sports programs benefit and come out ahead, while others with smaller programs that make money just by playing and losing to other DI teams suffer. Maybe some schools are forced to drop down to DII or DIII losing revenue and talent which leads to less sports revenue and alum enthusiasm which leads to fewer donations which leads to a drop in rankings…
It has zero impact on D3 athletes and zero short term impact on DI athletes, but something is going to change.

I realize there are some whose lives revolve around the culture of college sports. In many ways college athletics is a whole separate track and it exists for a different group for whom academics is an afterthought. That simply is not relevant to the folks participating on this thread.

+1

We should have a "College Athletes" forum and also a "Greek Life" forum.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NIL will have zero impact on athletes who want to go to D3 schools.

That’s right, but there are a lot of NCAA Division I schools in top 50 US News & World Report rankings. If DI sports becomes an arms race for talent it could have a cascading effect. Maybe schools like Duke and Notre Dame with established winning sports programs benefit and come out ahead, while others with smaller programs that make money just by playing and losing to other DI teams suffer. Maybe some schools are forced to drop down to DII or DIII losing revenue and talent which leads to less sports revenue and alum enthusiasm which leads to fewer donations which leads to a drop in rankings…
It has zero impact on D3 athletes and zero short term impact on DI athletes, but something is going to change.

I realize there are some whose lives revolve around the culture of college sports. In many ways college athletics is a whole separate track and it exists for a different group for whom academics is an afterthought. That simply is not relevant to the folks participating on this thread.

You don’t need to be a basketball fan to understand how Duke benefits from an excellent basketball program. It’s free publicity, and many kids (smart ones included) do value a successful college sports program. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. I agree that the athletes at these programs haven’t been actual students for 30+ years.

[Anonymous]

This thread is so strange, I'm confused how Boston college entered the Convo. But back on topic, Tufts is a top 35 school. I wouldn't consider it elite but it's close. Toe it's closed peer school is U Rochester or Wake Forest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is so strange, I'm confused how Boston college entered the Convo. But back on topic, Tufts is a top 35 school. I wouldn't consider it elite but it's close. Toe it's closed peer school is U Rochester or Wake Forest.

Asserting an opinion based on little other than whim does not make a fallacy fact. Do yourself a favor and stop with the irrelevant comparisons.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is so strange, I'm confused how Boston college entered the Convo. But back on topic, Tufts is a top 35 school. I wouldn't consider it elite but it's close. Toe it's closed peer school is U Rochester or Wake Forest.

Asserting an opinion based on little other than whim does not make a fallacy fact. Do yourself a favor and stop with the irrelevant comparisons.

DP but why did you take offense to the PP's comment? And why are the comparisons irrelevant?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is so strange, I'm confused how Boston college entered the Convo. But back on topic, Tufts is a top 35 school. I wouldn't consider it elite but it's close. Toe it's closed peer school is U Rochester or Wake Forest.

Asserting an opinion based on little other than whim does not make a fallacy fact. Do yourself a favor and stop with the irrelevant comparisons.

DP but why did you take offense to the PP's comment? And why are the comparisons irrelevant?

Earlier in the thread people got upset when one poster said Emory was top 20 and others chimes in to mock them and point out it was ranked 21 by US News. That was only a one slot difference! Here, the PP called Tufts a top 35 school when US News ranks it 30 for 2021. Rankings are stupid but people care and a 30 to 35 place ranking would be a big drop for people who care. PP could have just said Tufts was a top 30 school and left it at that, but they knew what they were doing because who but somebody that is familiar with rankings would know to group it with Wake Forest and Rochester. They made up a different ranking based on personal opinion, which is fine but it isn’t based on anything quantifiable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is so strange, I'm confused how Boston college entered the Convo. But back on topic, Tufts is a top 35 school. I wouldn't consider it elite but it's close. Toe it's closed peer school is U Rochester or Wake Forest.

Asserting an opinion based on little other than whim does not make a fallacy fact. Do yourself a favor and stop with the irrelevant comparisons.

DP but why did you take offense to the PP's comment? And why are the comparisons irrelevant?

Earlier in the thread people got upset when one poster said Emory was top 20 and others chimes in to mock them and point out it was ranked 21 by US News. That was only a one slot difference! Here, the PP called Tufts a top 35 school when US News ranks it 30 for 2021. Rankings are stupid but people care and a 30 to 35 place ranking would be a big drop for people who care. PP could have just said Tufts was a top 30 school and left it at that, but they knew what they were doing because who but somebody that is familiar with rankings would know to group it with Wake Forest and Rochester. They made up a different ranking based on personal opinion, which is fine but it isn’t based on anything quantifiable.

This just sounds like the classic Tufts insecurity speaking. I think Rochester and Wake Forest are excellent schools and certainly around Tufts level, and it’s a little rude to claim that Tufts is somehow better than both of those schools.

[Anonymous]

Maybe but it is different to say it’s is “top 20” when it is 21. That is a difference in kind not degree

[Anonymous]

Wow, Tufts boosters really do belong in the loony bin.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is so strange, I'm confused how Boston college entered the Convo. But back on topic, Tufts is a top 35 school. I wouldn't consider it elite but it's close. Toe it's closed peer school is U Rochester or Wake Forest.

Asserting an opinion based on little other than whim does not make a fallacy fact. Do yourself a favor and stop with the irrelevant comparisons.

DP but why did you take offense to the PP's comment? And why are the comparisons irrelevant?

Earlier in the thread people got upset when one poster said Emory was top 20 and others chimes in to mock them and point out it was ranked 21 by US News. That was only a one slot difference! Here, the PP called Tufts a top 35 school when US News ranks it 30 for 2021. Rankings are stupid but people care and a 30 to 35 place ranking would be a big drop for people who care. PP could have just said Tufts was a top 30 school and left it at that, but they knew what they were doing because who but somebody that is familiar with rankings would know to group it with Wake Forest and Rochester. They made up a different ranking based on personal opinion, which is fine but it isn’t based on anything quantifiable.

This just sounds like the classic Tufts insecurity speaking. I think Rochester and Wake Forest are excellent schools and certainly around Tufts level, and it’s a little rude to claim that Tufts is somehow better than both of those schools.

It has nothing to do with rudeness and everything to do with experience.
No student at my DC’s school has ever gotten into Tufts and been rejected at Rochester or Wake Forest. Some have been rejected at Tufts and have gone to Rochester or Wake Forest.

Wake Forest acceptance rate:29%
Rochester acceptance rate: 34%
Tufts acceptance rate: 11%

I’m not a Tufts booster.

There is a troll on this thread who keeps stirring the pot.
A very unhappy person whose DC didn’t get into Tufts, or some other personal reason to try to put it in the same category as other colleges that are very different.

Part of me says leave it alone: anyone reading this thread can see there is a miserable person tying to hurt it’s reputation.
But in the era of The Big Lie and using social media to perpetuate falsehoods, I think it’s important to negate the fake information and stand up to the bullying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is so strange, I'm confused how Boston college entered the Convo. But back on topic, Tufts is a top 35 school. I wouldn't consider it elite but it's close. Toe it's closed peer school is U Rochester or Wake Forest.

Asserting an opinion based on little other than whim does not make a fallacy fact. Do yourself a favor and stop with the irrelevant comparisons.

DP but why did you take offense to the PP's comment? And why are the comparisons irrelevant?

Earlier in the thread people got upset when one poster said Emory was top 20 and others chimes in to mock them and point out it was ranked 21 by US News. That was only a one slot difference! Here, the PP called Tufts a top 35 school when US News ranks it 30 for 2021. Rankings are stupid but people care and a 30 to 35 place ranking would be a big drop for people who care. PP could have just said Tufts was a top 30 school and left it at that, but they knew what they were doing because who but somebody that is familiar with rankings would know to group it with Wake Forest and Rochester. They made up a different ranking based on personal opinion, which is fine but it isn’t based on anything quantifiable.

This just sounds like the classic Tufts insecurity speaking. I think Rochester and Wake Forest are excellent schools and certainly around Tufts level, and it’s a little rude to claim that Tufts is somehow better than both of those schools.

It has nothing to do with rudeness and everything to do with experience.
No student at my DC’s school has ever gotten into Tufts and been rejected at Rochester or Wake Forest. Some have been rejected at Tufts and have gone to Rochester or Wake Forest.

Wake Forest acceptance rate:29%
Rochester acceptance rate: 34%
Tufts acceptance rate: 11%

I’m not a Tufts booster.

There is a troll on this thread who keeps stirring the pot.
A very unhappy person whose DC didn’t get into Tufts, or some other personal reason to try to put it in the same category as other colleges that are very different.

Part of me says leave it alone: anyone reading this thread can see there is a miserable person tying to hurt it’s reputation.
But in the era of The Big Lie and using social media to perpetuate falsehoods, I think it’s important to negate the fake information and stand up to the bullying.

I don't think acceptance should necessarily be used as a proxy for prestige or academic excellence. By that token, Tufts is a lesser school than Tulane, which is a harder school to gain acceptance into than Tufts.