Loudoun 07G ECNL vs TSJ FC VIRGINIA 07 GIRLS ACADEMY - Jefferson Cup - debate settled?

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Anonymous wrote:Correct me if I am wrong, the score was 1-0 in overtime. Loudoun is #1 in their ECNL age group.

VDA and Arlington were in the 4th bracket and did not make it into the finals. BRYC was in the 5th bracket and finished with 1 win.

I think FCV and Loudoun are both strong clubs that had strong results in a very strong Jeff Cup bracket. 1 goal and all FCV haters want to burn the club down and Loudoun wants to remain the best club ever! Silly to put your kids soccer future into one game.

It's silly to put your kid's soccer future in the trust of a club that leaves ECNL and is desperately trying to get back in.

An 07 or 08 deciding to stay with FCV is taking a leap of faith that FCV gets ECNL next spring or year after, and that, before then, none of the better players at FCV leave for a ECNL team that provides consistent better competition and a better platform for recruiting in a couple years. Let’s face it. The end is near for FCV, but any player departures would accelerate it. As another poster said, FCV’s only hope is to hold off any player departures and hope they get back in ECNL as soon as possible.

Or they are deciding to stay because they are just happy where they're at and the experience and level of competition they face in leagues and in tournaments. Ever consider that?
Can any parent on this forum who has had their kid move to an ECNL team from a non-ECNL club or even from another ECNL team at age 13+ who didn't have an issue with the coaches honestly say they didn't initiate the movement over their kids? I'm curious how many kids initiate the moves even if the coaches are fine v. the parents, and what the reasoning is for moving.

If the coaches aren’t mean people move because they want the status for their kid to be on “top” team. Probably mostly parents but the players also know which are the top teams but of course it doesn’t mean the grass is greener.

Parent most definitely push their kids to move to the best club available. I think the point of the 500 posts is that FCV cannot be that without ecnl and the parents pushing for the best will do that and switch teams. Others that are comfortable at FCV will stay. Many kids stay at NCSL and CCL teams and don’t even consider going to a club in a more competitive league. Nothing wrong with that.

That assumes ECNL teams are all that and many are just not. Look at Jeff Cup results in the U13-14 age groups. There are several flights where ECNL teams lost to non-ECNL/GA teams. The advantages to ECNL and GA are the opportunities to play against other good regional teams in league play or scrimmages and also the national competitions. CCL and ECNL don't offer that. That said, quality coaching is key and in limited supply, including among all the "top" teams and there are strong CCL players who are offered spots on ECNL/GA teams, yet choose to stay with their coach because they know they will develop better as players.

Lmfao.

Let’s see a U15-u18 non ECNL team beat a ECNL team. You’ll learn soon enough.

U13-14 is baby girl soccer. Means nothing.

So why have ECNL teams that are U13-14? Why not do what DCU and MLS academies are doing by going to U15 up?

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Anonymous wrote:Correct me if I am wrong, the score was 1-0 in overtime. Loudoun is #1 in their ECNL age group.

VDA and Arlington were in the 4th bracket and did not make it into the finals. BRYC was in the 5th bracket and finished with 1 win.

I think FCV and Loudoun are both strong clubs that had strong results in a very strong Jeff Cup bracket. 1 goal and all FCV haters want to burn the club down and Loudoun wants to remain the best club ever! Silly to put your kids soccer future into one game.

It's silly to put your kid's soccer future in the trust of a club that leaves ECNL and is desperately trying to get back in.

An 07 or 08 deciding to stay with FCV is taking a leap of faith that FCV gets ECNL next spring or year after, and that, before then, none of the better players at FCV leave for a ECNL team that provides consistent better competition and a better platform for recruiting in a couple years. Let’s face it. The end is near for FCV, but any player departures would accelerate it. As another poster said, FCV’s only hope is to hold off any player departures and hope they get back in ECNL as soon as possible.

They shouldn’t be. I never liked that they added the U13 age group. ECNL should be 9-12.

Or they are deciding to stay because they are just happy where they're at and the experience and level of competition they face in leagues and in tournaments. Ever consider that?
Can any parent on this forum who has had their kid move to an ECNL team from a non-ECNL club or even from another ECNL team at age 13+ who didn't have an issue with the coaches honestly say they didn't initiate the movement over their kids? I'm curious how many kids initiate the moves even if the coaches are fine v. the parents, and what the reasoning is for moving.

If the coaches aren’t mean people move because they want the status for their kid to be on “top” team. Probably mostly parents but the players also know which are the top teams but of course it doesn’t mean the grass is greener.

Parent most definitely push their kids to move to the best club available. I think the point of the 500 posts is that FCV cannot be that without ecnl and the parents pushing for the best will do that and switch teams. Others that are comfortable at FCV will stay. Many kids stay at NCSL and CCL teams and don’t even consider going to a club in a more competitive league. Nothing wrong with that.

That assumes ECNL teams are all that and many are just not. Look at Jeff Cup results in the U13-14 age groups. There are several flights where ECNL teams lost to non-ECNL/GA teams. The advantages to ECNL and GA are the opportunities to play against other good regional teams in league play or scrimmages and also the national competitions. CCL and ECNL don't offer that. That said, quality coaching is key and in limited supply, including among all the "top" teams and there are strong CCL players who are offered spots on ECNL/GA teams, yet choose to stay with their coach because they know they will develop better as players.

Lmfao.

Let’s see a U15-u18 non ECNL team beat a ECNL team. You’ll learn soon enough.

U13-14 is baby girl soccer. Means nothing.

So why have ECNL teams that are U13-14? Why not do what DCU and MLS academies are doing by going to U15 up?

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Nothing matters until after puberty. When everything evens outs. I consider U17 the tried and true age group. The big, the strong, and the powerful, get equalized.

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing matters until after puberty. When everything evens outs. I consider U17 the tried and true age group. The big, the strong, and the powerful, get equalized.

Loudoun doesn’t like talking about coaching and results above their 07 girls team.... might want to ask yourself why.

Last year’s david ecnl coach demoted to red this year because of their 0 wins and horrible work is back on ECNL roster. Revolving doors and cushy jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing matters until after puberty. When everything evens outs. I consider U17 the tried and true age group. The big, the strong, and the powerful, get equalized.

Loudoun doesn’t like talking about coaching and results above their 07 girls team.... might want to ask yourself why.

Last year’s david ecnl coach demoted to red this year because of their 0 wins and horrible work is back on ECNL roster. Revolving doors and cushy jobs.

Not having a national platform is why their older teams suffered. They all left years ago. Don’t need to ask myself questions like that.

Now they do....and FCV doesn’t.

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Anonymous wrote:Correct me if I am wrong, the score was 1-0 in overtime. Loudoun is #1 in their ECNL age group.

VDA and Arlington were in the 4th bracket and did not make it into the finals. BRYC was in the 5th bracket and finished with 1 win.

I think FCV and Loudoun are both strong clubs that had strong results in a very strong Jeff Cup bracket. 1 goal and all FCV haters want to burn the club down and Loudoun wants to remain the best club ever! Silly to put your kids soccer future into one game.

It's silly to put your kid's soccer future in the trust of a club that leaves ECNL and is desperately trying to get back in.

An 07 or 08 deciding to stay with FCV is taking a leap of faith that FCV gets ECNL next spring or year after, and that, before then, none of the better players at FCV leave for a ECNL team that provides consistent better competition and a better platform for recruiting in a couple years. Let’s face it. The end is near for FCV, but any player departures would accelerate it. As another poster said, FCV’s only hope is to hold off any player departures and hope they get back in ECNL as soon as possible.

Or they are deciding to stay because they are just happy where they're at and the experience and level of competition they face in leagues and in tournaments. Ever consider that?
Can any parent on this forum who has had their kid move to an ECNL team from a non-ECNL club or even from another ECNL team at age 13+ who didn't have an issue with the coaches honestly say they didn't initiate the movement over their kids? I'm curious how many kids initiate the moves even if the coaches are fine v. the parents, and what the reasoning is for moving.

If the coaches aren’t mean people move because they want the status for their kid to be on “top” team. Probably mostly parents but the players also know which are the top teams but of course it doesn’t mean the grass is greener.

Parent most definitely push their kids to move to the best club available. I think the point of the 500 posts is that FCV cannot be that without ecnl and the parents pushing for the best will do that and switch teams. Others that are comfortable at FCV will stay. Many kids stay at NCSL and CCL teams and don’t even consider going to a club in a more competitive league. Nothing wrong with that.

That assumes ECNL teams are all that and many are just not. Look at Jeff Cup results in the U13-14 age groups. There are several flights where ECNL teams lost to non-ECNL/GA teams. The advantages to ECNL and GA are the opportunities to play against other good regional teams in league play or scrimmages and also the national competitions. CCL and ECNL don't offer that. That said, quality coaching is key and in limited supply, including among all the "top" teams and there are strong CCL players who are offered spots on ECNL/GA teams, yet choose to stay with their coach because they know they will develop better as players.

Lmfao.

Let’s see a U15-u18 non ECNL team beat a ECNL team. You’ll learn soon enough.

U13-14 is baby girl soccer. Means nothing.

So why have ECNL teams that are U13-14? Why not do what DCU and MLS academies are doing by going to U15 up?

If the mls academies wanted to set something up similar to the boys with subsidized players fees and access to a professional development program, everyone would be saying ecnl is dead and this is the new elite. But the mls clubs and us soccer decided to focus only on the boys side. Ecnl came in and filled that gap.

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Anonymous wrote:Correct me if I am wrong, the score was 1-0 in overtime. Loudoun is #1 in their ECNL age group.

VDA and Arlington were in the 4th bracket and did not make it into the finals. BRYC was in the 5th bracket and finished with 1 win.

I think FCV and Loudoun are both strong clubs that had strong results in a very strong Jeff Cup bracket. 1 goal and all FCV haters want to burn the club down and Loudoun wants to remain the best club ever! Silly to put your kids soccer future into one game.

It's silly to put your kid's soccer future in the trust of a club that leaves ECNL and is desperately trying to get back in.

An 07 or 08 deciding to stay with FCV is taking a leap of faith that FCV gets ECNL next spring or year after, and that, before then, none of the better players at FCV leave for a ECNL team that provides consistent better competition and a better platform for recruiting in a couple years. Let’s face it. The end is near for FCV, but any player departures would accelerate it. As another poster said, FCV’s only hope is to hold off any player departures and hope they get back in ECNL as soon as possible.

Or they are deciding to stay because they are just happy where they're at and the experience and level of competition they face in leagues and in tournaments. Ever consider that?
Can any parent on this forum who has had their kid move to an ECNL team from a non-ECNL club or even from another ECNL team at age 13+ who didn't have an issue with the coaches honestly say they didn't initiate the movement over their kids? I'm curious how many kids initiate the moves even if the coaches are fine v. the parents, and what the reasoning is for moving.

If the coaches aren’t mean people move because they want the status for their kid to be on “top” team. Probably mostly parents but the players also know which are the top teams but of course it doesn’t mean the grass is greener.

Parent most definitely push their kids to move to the best club available. I think the point of the 500 posts is that FCV cannot be that without ecnl and the parents pushing for the best will do that and switch teams. Others that are comfortable at FCV will stay. Many kids stay at NCSL and CCL teams and don’t even consider going to a club in a more competitive league. Nothing wrong with that.

That assumes ECNL teams are all that and many are just not. Look at Jeff Cup results in the U13-14 age groups. There are several flights where ECNL teams lost to non-ECNL/GA teams. The advantages to ECNL and GA are the opportunities to play against other good regional teams in league play or scrimmages and also the national competitions. CCL and ECNL don't offer that. That said, quality coaching is key and in limited supply, including among all the "top" teams and there are strong CCL players who are offered spots on ECNL/GA teams, yet choose to stay with their coach because they know they will develop better as players.

Lmfao.

Let’s see a U15-u18 non ECNL team beat a ECNL team. You’ll learn soon enough.

U13-14 is baby girl soccer. Means nothing.

So why have ECNL teams that are U13-14? Why not do what DCU and MLS academies are doing by going to U15 up?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ the almighty dollar to br made. A fool and his money will so be parted...

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Anonymous wrote:Correct me if I am wrong, the score was 1-0 in overtime. Loudoun is #1 in their ECNL age group.

VDA and Arlington were in the 4th bracket and did not make it into the finals. BRYC was in the 5th bracket and finished with 1 win.

I think FCV and Loudoun are both strong clubs that had strong results in a very strong Jeff Cup bracket. 1 goal and all FCV haters want to burn the club down and Loudoun wants to remain the best club ever! Silly to put your kids soccer future into one game.

It's silly to put your kid's soccer future in the trust of a club that leaves ECNL and is desperately trying to get back in.

An 07 or 08 deciding to stay with FCV is taking a leap of faith that FCV gets ECNL next spring or year after, and that, before then, none of the better players at FCV leave for a ECNL team that provides consistent better competition and a better platform for recruiting in a couple years. Let’s face it. The end is near for FCV, but any player departures would accelerate it. As another poster said, FCV’s only hope is to hold off any player departures and hope they get back in ECNL as soon as possible.

Or they are deciding to stay because they are just happy where they're at and the experience and level of competition they face in leagues and in tournaments. Ever consider that?
Can any parent on this forum who has had their kid move to an ECNL team from a non-ECNL club or even from another ECNL team at age 13+ who didn't have an issue with the coaches honestly say they didn't initiate the movement over their kids? I'm curious how many kids initiate the moves even if the coaches are fine v. the parents, and what the reasoning is for moving.

If the coaches aren’t mean people move because they want the status for their kid to be on “top” team. Probably mostly parents but the players also know which are the top teams but of course it doesn’t mean the grass is greener.

Parent most definitely push their kids to move to the best club available. I think the point of the 500 posts is that FCV cannot be that without ecnl and the parents pushing for the best will do that and switch teams. Others that are comfortable at FCV will stay. Many kids stay at NCSL and CCL teams and don’t even consider going to a club in a more competitive league. Nothing wrong with that.

That assumes ECNL teams are all that and many are just not. Look at Jeff Cup results in the U13-14 age groups. There are several flights where ECNL teams lost to non-ECNL/GA teams. The advantages to ECNL and GA are the opportunities to play against other good regional teams in league play or scrimmages and also the national competitions. CCL and ECNL don't offer that. That said, quality coaching is key and in limited supply, including among all the "top" teams and there are strong CCL players who are offered spots on ECNL/GA teams, yet choose to stay with their coach because they know they will develop better as players.

Lmfao.

Let’s see a U15-u18 non ECNL team beat a ECNL team. You’ll learn soon enough.

U13-14 is baby girl soccer. Means nothing.

So why have ECNL teams that are U13-14? Why not do what DCU and MLS academies are doing by going to U15 up?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ the almighty dollar to br made. A fool and his money will so be parted...

Yeah, that’s what I assumed. Seems pretty silly to me as well.

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Remember when everybody was saying 'Arlington is gonna get ECNL' and FCV was like 'We're gonna get back into ECNL' and then they totally didn't get back in?

lol good times

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Anonymous wrote:Remember when everybody was saying 'Arlington is gonna get ECNL' and FCV was like 'We're gonna get back into ECNL' and then they totally didn't get back in?

lol good times

No. Don’t remember things like that. What graduate schools did you get into?

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Anonymous wrote:Correct me if I am wrong, the score was 1-0 in overtime. Loudoun is #1 in their ECNL age group.

VDA and Arlington were in the 4th bracket and did not make it into the finals. BRYC was in the 5th bracket and finished with 1 win.

I think FCV and Loudoun are both strong clubs that had strong results in a very strong Jeff Cup bracket. 1 goal and all FCV haters want to burn the club down and Loudoun wants to remain the best club ever! Silly to put your kids soccer future into one game.

It's silly to put your kid's soccer future in the trust of a club that leaves ECNL and is desperately trying to get back in.

An 07 or 08 deciding to stay with FCV is taking a leap of faith that FCV gets ECNL next spring or year after, and that, before then, none of the better players at FCV leave for a ECNL team that provides consistent better competition and a better platform for recruiting in a couple years. Let’s face it. The end is near for FCV, but any player departures would accelerate it. As another poster said, FCV’s only hope is to hold off any player departures and hope they get back in ECNL as soon as possible.

Or they are deciding to stay because they are just happy where they're at and the experience and level of competition they face in leagues and in tournaments. Ever consider that?
Can any parent on this forum who has had their kid move to an ECNL team from a non-ECNL club or even from another ECNL team at age 13+ who didn't have an issue with the coaches honestly say they didn't initiate the movement over their kids? I'm curious how many kids initiate the moves even if the coaches are fine v. the parents, and what the reasoning is for moving.

If the coaches aren’t mean people move because they want the status for their kid to be on “top” team. Probably mostly parents but the players also know which are the top teams but of course it doesn’t mean the grass is greener.

Parent most definitely push their kids to move to the best club available. I think the point of the 500 posts is that FCV cannot be that without ecnl and the parents pushing for the best will do that and switch teams. Others that are comfortable at FCV will stay. Many kids stay at NCSL and CCL teams and don’t even consider going to a club in a more competitive league. Nothing wrong with that.

That assumes ECNL teams are all that and many are just not. Look at Jeff Cup results in the U13-14 age groups. There are several flights where ECNL teams lost to non-ECNL/GA teams. The advantages to ECNL and GA are the opportunities to play against other good regional teams in league play or scrimmages and also the national competitions. CCL and ECNL don't offer that. That said, quality coaching is key and in limited supply, including among all the "top" teams and there are strong CCL players who are offered spots on ECNL/GA teams, yet choose to stay with their coach because they know they will develop better as players.

Lmfao.

Let’s see a U15-u18 non ECNL team beat a ECNL team. You’ll learn soon enough.

U13-14 is baby girl soccer. Means nothing.

So why have ECNL teams that are U13-14? Why not do what DCU and MLS academies are doing by going to U15 up?

If the mls academies wanted to set something up similar to the boys with subsidized players fees and access to a professional development program, everyone would be saying ecnl is dead and this is the new elite. But the mls clubs and us soccer decided to focus only on the boys side. Ecnl came in and filled that gap.

The pro academies know that they’ll get the good boy ECNL players in time. They’d rather let the clubs do their thing and then pick the boys after they gone through much of their growth spurt.

Boys ECNL is not much more than the largest MLS feeder league.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Remember when everybody was saying 'Arlington is gonna get ECNL' and FCV was like 'We're gonna get back into ECNL' and then they totally didn't get back in?

lol good times

No. Don’t remember things like that. What graduate schools did you get into?

Such a Ashburn thing to say.

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Anonymous wrote:Correct me if I am wrong, the score was 1-0 in overtime. Loudoun is #1 in their ECNL age group.

VDA and Arlington were in the 4th bracket and did not make it into the finals. BRYC was in the 5th bracket and finished with 1 win.

I think FCV and Loudoun are both strong clubs that had strong results in a very strong Jeff Cup bracket. 1 goal and all FCV haters want to burn the club down and Loudoun wants to remain the best club ever! Silly to put your kids soccer future into one game.

It's silly to put your kid's soccer future in the trust of a club that leaves ECNL and is desperately trying to get back in.

An 07 or 08 deciding to stay with FCV is taking a leap of faith that FCV gets ECNL next spring or year after, and that, before then, none of the better players at FCV leave for a ECNL team that provides consistent better competition and a better platform for recruiting in a couple years. Let’s face it. The end is near for FCV, but any player departures would accelerate it. As another poster said, FCV’s only hope is to hold off any player departures and hope they get back in ECNL as soon as possible.

Or they are deciding to stay because they are just happy where they're at and the experience and level of competition they face in leagues and in tournaments. Ever consider that?
Can any parent on this forum who has had their kid move to an ECNL team from a non-ECNL club or even from another ECNL team at age 13+ who didn't have an issue with the coaches honestly say they didn't initiate the movement over their kids? I'm curious how many kids initiate the moves even if the coaches are fine v. the parents, and what the reasoning is for moving.

If the coaches aren’t mean people move because they want the status for their kid to be on “top” team. Probably mostly parents but the players also know which are the top teams but of course it doesn’t mean the grass is greener.

Parent most definitely push their kids to move to the best club available. I think the point of the 500 posts is that FCV cannot be that without ecnl and the parents pushing for the best will do that and switch teams. Others that are comfortable at FCV will stay. Many kids stay at NCSL and CCL teams and don’t even consider going to a club in a more competitive league. Nothing wrong with that.

That assumes ECNL teams are all that and many are just not. Look at Jeff Cup results in the U13-14 age groups. There are several flights where ECNL teams lost to non-ECNL/GA teams. The advantages to ECNL and GA are the opportunities to play against other good regional teams in league play or scrimmages and also the national competitions. CCL and ECNL don't offer that. That said, quality coaching is key and in limited supply, including among all the "top" teams and there are strong CCL players who are offered spots on ECNL/GA teams, yet choose to stay with their coach because they know they will develop better as players.

Lmfao.

Let’s see a U15-u18 non ECNL team beat a ECNL team. You’ll learn soon enough.

U13-14 is baby girl soccer. Means nothing.

So why have ECNL teams that are U13-14? Why not do what DCU and MLS academies are doing by going to U15 up?

If the mls academies wanted to set something up similar to the boys with subsidized players fees and access to a professional development program, everyone would be saying ecnl is dead and this is the new elite. But the mls clubs and us soccer decided to focus only on the boys side. Ecnl came in and filled that gap.

The pro academies know that they’ll get the good boy ECNL players in time. They’d rather let the clubs do their thing and then pick the boys after they gone through much of their growth spurt.

Boys ECNL is not much more than the largest MLS feeder league.

They’re picking boys up before ECNL and growth spurts...you must not have boys that play.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Remember when everybody was saying 'Arlington is gonna get ECNL' and FCV was like 'We're gonna get back into ECNL' and then they totally didn't get back in?

lol good times

No. Don’t remember things like that. What graduate schools did you get into?

Such a Ashburn thing to say.

I don’t get it. When I think of ashburn I think of a suburb of West Virginia with rows and rows of townhomes as far as the eye can see. Good living!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Remember when everybody was saying 'Arlington is gonna get ECNL' and FCV was like 'We're gonna get back into ECNL' and then they totally didn't get back in?

lol good times

No. Don’t remember things like that. What graduate schools did you get into?

Such a Ashburn thing to say.

I don’t get it. When I think of ashburn I think of a suburb of West Virginia with rows and rows of townhomes as far as the eye can see. Good living!

Such a Arlington transplant from the NE thing to say.