How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?

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Anonymous wrote:Do you get this excited about people who pursue fertility treatments instead of adopting? Or, basically anyone who has a biological child instead of adopting? There are HUMANS who need homes too. Do you ask New parents why they decided to have biological children instead of adopt a kid?

I would discourage humans from breeding other humans so they could buy from other humans the exact human that they wanted. Yes.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a relatively new dog owner and am concerned. Will having a dog cause me to become unhinged like so many on this thread?

I'd hardly call being passionate about the humane treatment of helpless animals being "unhinged." With so many perfectly healthy and lovable dogs available for adoption from so many legitimate sources -- rescues and shelters alike -- it's quite legitimate to ask why in the world is it so important that people pay thousands of dollars to have a designer dog created for them? It's just such a selfish and showy thing to do.

No, PP's right. You sound unhinged. No one is advocating for puppy mills or pet stores, but normal people realize that ethical breeders are a humane, reasonable choice.

I really don't think there is a world in which it is ethical to breed something for which there is more supply than demand and where the extra supply is killed by the hundreds of thousands every year.

But you think propping up auctions and puppy mills is ethical? Because that's what you're saying you support.

Personally I do not think keeping puppy mills and auctions in business is ethical, but hey, you do you.

Two responses. First, you know that what you’re saying is disingenuous. You’re just making excuses. Second, this “you do you” thing that you say on every one of your posts is probably the most annoying thing I see on DCUM. It’s not clever.

So that's a yes, then, for you being a supporter of puppy mills and auctions. You are hardly in a position to lecture about ethics, my friend.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a relatively new dog owner and am concerned. Will having a dog cause me to become unhinged like so many on this thread?

I'd hardly call being passionate about the humane treatment of helpless animals being "unhinged." With so many perfectly healthy and lovable dogs available for adoption from so many legitimate sources -- rescues and shelters alike -- it's quite legitimate to ask why in the world is it so important that people pay thousands of dollars to have a designer dog created for them? It's just such a selfish and showy thing to do.

No, PP's right. You sound unhinged. No one is advocating for puppy mills or pet stores, but normal people realize that ethical breeders are a humane, reasonable choice.

I really don't think there is a world in which it is ethical to breed something for which there is more supply than demand and where the extra supply is killed by the hundreds of thousands every year.

But you think propping up auctions and puppy mills is ethical? Because that's what you're saying you support.

Personally I do not think keeping puppy mills and auctions in business is ethical, but hey, you do you.

Two responses. First, you know that what you’re saying is disingenuous. You’re just making excuses. Second, this “you do you” thing that you say on every one of your posts is probably the most annoying thing I see on DCUM. It’s not clever.

So that's a yes, then, for you being a supporter of puppy mills and auctions. You are hardly in a position to lecture about ethics, my friend.

So bogus to argue that folks who buy designer dogs are doing it to take a stand against puppy mills. Own your truth.

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The truth is that solo purchasers from ethical breeders do not contribute to auctions and puppy mills. Rescues, on the other hand, directly and indirectly support puppy mills and auctions, to the point that rescues are driving up prices for dogs at auction and puppy mills significantly.

Face your truth: you care more about your virtue signalling and the emotional validation you get by calling yourself a rescuer than you do about the well-being of dogs. You're fine with puppy mills and auctions. Just own it.

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Definitely buying from a breeder after this thread.

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Definitely buying from a breeder after this thread.

LOL. Rescues attract troubled volunteers. They have been known to attract animal hoarders, people who can't relate to other humans ,lonely people, and a host of other psychological problems. This is not good for the animals and if there are too many pit and pit mixes in shelters they should be put down. The same goes for cats- there are way too many cats out there.

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Definitely buying from a breeder after this thread.

LOL. Rescues attract troubled volunteers. They have been known to attract animal hoarders, people who can't relate to other humans ,lonely people, and a host of other psychological problems. This is not good for the animals and if there are too many pit and pit mixes in shelters they should be put down. The same goes for cats- there are way too many cats out there.

You can totally see that with OP. Her elevation of animals to human status is disturbing.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a relatively new dog owner and am concerned. Will having a dog cause me to become unhinged like so many on this thread?

I'd hardly call being passionate about the humane treatment of helpless animals being "unhinged." With so many perfectly healthy and lovable dogs available for adoption from so many legitimate sources -- rescues and shelters alike -- it's quite legitimate to ask why in the world is it so important that people pay thousands of dollars to have a designer dog created for them? It's just such a selfish and showy thing to do.

No, PP's right. You sound unhinged. No one is advocating for puppy mills or pet stores, but normal people realize that ethical breeders are a humane, reasonable choice.

I really don't think there is a world in which it is ethical to breed something for which there is more supply than demand and where the extra supply is killed by the hundreds of thousands every year.

If only we saw this much compassion for the millions of people that are starving and killing themselves trying to scrape together enough pennies to feed their families for the night. Instead we are taking a stand against designer puppies. #firstworldproblems

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Anonymous wrote:1) Because the rescue market has created some strange incentives, and it’s not as straightforward a transaction as it may seem.

2). Because I prefer to minimize the variables by getting a breed of dog I’ve selected after doing research on what’s best for our family.

This. I also research the heck out of breeders. There is no guarantee with any dog, but you have a lot more knowledge with a puppy from a reputable breeder about the likely temperament, its genetic history, what its earliest life was like, and so on.

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BTW, I'm against buying any kind of doodles, they are mutts, so nothing is predictable about those dogs

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Anonymous wrote:The truth is that solo purchasers from ethical breeders do not contribute to auctions and puppy mills. Rescues, on the other hand, directly and indirectly support puppy mills and auctions, to the point that rescues are driving up prices for dogs at auction and puppy mills significantly.

Face your truth: you care more about your virtue signalling and the emotional validation you get by calling yourself a rescuer than you do about the well-being of dogs. You're fine with puppy mills and auctions. Just own it.

Sigh. Even if, for sake of argument, you're absolutely right that rescues "directly and indirectly support puppy mills," you know that I'm not "fine with puppy mills and auctions." All I am, again purely for sake of argument, is mistaken and misinformed in the relationship between puppy mills and rescues.

You, on the other hand, are not buying your dog from a breeder instead of going to a rescue (to say nothing about going to a shelters) because you are outraged over how rescues operate. You're going to a breeder because you want a certain kind of dog, and a certain kind of dog only, and you couldn't care less about anything else. So while my "virtue" may be based on being misinformed, but you have no virtue at all. You couldn't care less, so long as you get your designer dog.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a relatively new dog owner and am concerned. Will having a dog cause me to become unhinged like so many on this thread?

I'd hardly call being passionate about the humane treatment of helpless animals being "unhinged." With so many perfectly healthy and lovable dogs available for adoption from so many legitimate sources -- rescues and shelters alike -- it's quite legitimate to ask why in the world is it so important that people pay thousands of dollars to have a designer dog created for them? It's just such a selfish and showy thing to do.

No, PP's right. You sound unhinged. No one is advocating for puppy mills or pet stores, but normal people realize that ethical breeders are a humane, reasonable choice.

I really don't think there is a world in which it is ethical to breed something for which there is more supply than demand and where the extra supply is killed by the hundreds of thousands every year.

If only we saw this much compassion for the millions of people that are starving and killing themselves trying to scrape together enough pennies to feed their families for the night. Instead we are taking a stand against designer puppies. #firstworldproblems

No one is taking a stand against the puppies. It's the folks who buy them we take a stand against.

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Anonymous wrote:The truth is that solo purchasers from ethical breeders do not contribute to auctions and puppy mills. Rescues, on the other hand, directly and indirectly support puppy mills and auctions, to the point that rescues are driving up prices for dogs at auction and puppy mills significantly.

Face your truth: you care more about your virtue signalling and the emotional validation you get by calling yourself a rescuer than you do about the well-being of dogs. You're fine with puppy mills and auctions. Just own it.

Sigh. Even if, for sake of argument, you're absolutely right that rescues "directly and indirectly support puppy mills," you know that I'm not "fine with puppy mills and auctions." All I am, again purely for sake of argument, is mistaken and misinformed in the relationship between puppy mills and rescues.

You, on the other hand, are not buying your dog from a breeder instead of going to a rescue (to say nothing about going to a shelters) because you are outraged over how rescues operate. You're going to a breeder because you want a certain kind of dog, and a certain kind of dog only, and you couldn't care less about anything else. So while my "virtue" may be based on being misinformed, but you have no virtue at all. You couldn't care less, so long as you get your designer dog.

Actually, I have no dog now. And my last dog was from a rescue, a German Shepherd mix who eventually died young of health problems likely due to irresponsible, puppy mill breeding.

I'm just not delusional about the link between auctions, puppy mills, backyard breeders, and "rescue" and I don't put my self-perception as a "rescuer" ahead of animal welfare. You, on the other hand, seem quite happy to support puppy mills, backyard breeders, and auctions so long as you get to call yourself a rescuer. Your own ego is more important to you than dog welfare. Own it.

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Anonymous wrote:The truth is that solo purchasers from ethical breeders do not contribute to auctions and puppy mills. Rescues, on the other hand, directly and indirectly support puppy mills and auctions, to the point that rescues are driving up prices for dogs at auction and puppy mills significantly.

Face your truth: you care more about your virtue signalling and the emotional validation you get by calling yourself a rescuer than you do about the well-being of dogs. You're fine with puppy mills and auctions. Just own it.

Sigh. Even if, for sake of argument, you're absolutely right that rescues "directly and indirectly support puppy mills," you know that I'm not "fine with puppy mills and auctions." All I am, again purely for sake of argument, is mistaken and misinformed in the relationship between puppy mills and rescues.

You, on the other hand, are not buying your dog from a breeder instead of going to a rescue (to say nothing about going to a shelters) because you are outraged over how rescues operate. You're going to a breeder because you want a certain kind of dog, and a certain kind of dog only, and you couldn't care less about anything else. So while my "virtue" may be based on being misinformed, but you have no virtue at all. You couldn't care less, so long as you get your designer dog.

Actually, I have no dog now. And my last dog was from a rescue, a German Shepherd mix who eventually died young of health problems likely due to irresponsible, puppy mill breeding.

I'm just not delusional about the link between auctions, puppy mills, backyard breeders, and "rescue" and I don't put my self-perception as a "rescuer" ahead of animal welfare. You, on the other hand, seem quite happy to support puppy mills, backyard breeders, and auctions so long as you get to call yourself a rescuer. Your own ego is more important to you than dog welfare. Own it.

You absolutely know that's not true. And you literally don't even have a dog in this fight. Move along, now.

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Anonymous wrote:The truth is that solo purchasers from ethical breeders do not contribute to auctions and puppy mills. Rescues, on the other hand, directly and indirectly support puppy mills and auctions, to the point that rescues are driving up prices for dogs at auction and puppy mills significantly.

Face your truth: you care more about your virtue signalling and the emotional validation you get by calling yourself a rescuer than you do about the well-being of dogs. You're fine with puppy mills and auctions. Just own it.

Sigh. Even if, for sake of argument, you're absolutely right that rescues "directly and indirectly support puppy mills," you know that I'm not "fine with puppy mills and auctions." All I am, again purely for sake of argument, is mistaken and misinformed in the relationship between puppy mills and rescues.

You, on the other hand, are not buying your dog from a breeder instead of going to a rescue (to say nothing about going to a shelters) because you are outraged over how rescues operate. You're going to a breeder because you want a certain kind of dog, and a certain kind of dog only, and you couldn't care less about anything else. So while my "virtue" may be based on being misinformed, but you have no virtue at all. You couldn't care less, so long as you get your designer dog.

Actually, I have no dog now. And my last dog was from a rescue, a German Shepherd mix who eventually died young of health problems likely due to irresponsible, puppy mill breeding.

I'm just not delusional about the link between auctions, puppy mills, backyard breeders, and "rescue" and I don't put my self-perception as a "rescuer" ahead of animal welfare. You, on the other hand, seem quite happy to support puppy mills, backyard breeders, and auctions so long as you get to call yourself a rescuer. Your own ego is more important to you than dog welfare. Own it.

You absolutely know that's not true. And you literally don't even have a dog in this fight. Move along, now.

Actually, I am quite positive it's entirely true, based on your posts in this thread. You want me to move along because you dislike the fact I am telling the absolute truth about you and your motivations.

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Anonymous wrote:The truth is that solo purchasers from ethical breeders do not contribute to auctions and puppy mills. Rescues, on the other hand, directly and indirectly support puppy mills and auctions, to the point that rescues are driving up prices for dogs at auction and puppy mills significantly.

Face your truth: you care more about your virtue signalling and the emotional validation you get by calling yourself a rescuer than you do about the well-being of dogs. You're fine with puppy mills and auctions. Just own it.

Sigh. Even if, for sake of argument, you're absolutely right that rescues "directly and indirectly support puppy mills," you know that I'm not "fine with puppy mills and auctions." All I am, again purely for sake of argument, is mistaken and misinformed in the relationship between puppy mills and rescues.

You, on the other hand, are not buying your dog from a breeder instead of going to a rescue (to say nothing about going to a shelters) because you are outraged over how rescues operate. You're going to a breeder because you want a certain kind of dog, and a certain kind of dog only, and you couldn't care less about anything else. So while my "virtue" may be based on being misinformed, but you have no virtue at all. You couldn't care less, so long as you get your designer dog.

Actually, I have no dog now. And my last dog was from a rescue, a German Shepherd mix who eventually died young of health problems likely due to irresponsible, puppy mill breeding.

I'm just not delusional about the link between auctions, puppy mills, backyard breeders, and "rescue" and I don't put my self-perception as a "rescuer" ahead of animal welfare. You, on the other hand, seem quite happy to support puppy mills, backyard breeders, and auctions so long as you get to call yourself a rescuer. Your own ego is more important to you than dog welfare. Own it.

You absolutely know that's not true. And you literally don't even have a dog in this fight. Move along, now.

Actually, I am quite positive it's entirely true, based on your posts in this thread. You want me to move along because you dislike the fact I am telling the absolute truth about you and your motivations.

Ok, you're right. I'll ask Jeff to change the title of this thread to "how do you justify buying from a breeder instead of a puppy mill, backyard breeder, or auction." Because that's my true motivation. You blew my cover.

Ass.