8 hours of screaming on a flight

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Anonymous wrote:He was screaming g prior to plane taking off and he and his mother should have been removed then.

100%. The problem is a lot of parents will start screaming discrimination and my rights and all that nonsense if they're removed from a flight, especially if the kid is SN. There are so many people screaming SN every time their kid acts like a maniac these days it's starting to fall on deaf ears though. Compassion fatigue is a real thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Tldr. By any chance did that child have special needs? It can sometimes be very difficult to fly with an autistic child. The video looks like something similar that might occur.

I literally could not care less what your diagnosis is. If your child can’t be controlled for 8 hours in public, stay home or drive. I do not care. Not one iota.

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Anonymous wrote:Tldr. By any chance did that child have special needs? It can sometimes be very difficult to fly with an autistic child. The video looks like something similar that might occur.

I literally could not care less what your diagnosis is. If your child can’t be controlled for 8 hours in public, stay home or drive. I do not care. Not one iota.

disabled people have a right to be in public -- so I couldn't care less about what you think about it.

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Anonymous wrote:it was pretty obvious that the child was special needs. he didn't seem to have any words.

Yes, and the other was aware of this BEFORE boarding the plane. Hopefully the result of the video is that she won’t fly with him again, and others will think twice before doing so. I’m glad the video was shared.

Its public transportation. Kids with special needs are part of the public. They have just as much of a right to be there as you do.

Not if they're a public disturbance, especially for an extended period of time (that goes for everyone - special needs or otherwise).

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You buy a ticket for a seat on a plane. You aren't guaranteed a ride free from disturbances. Kids with SNs are part of society and when they are this young, some can be extremely difficult. Don't like it? Too bad.

You aren't guaranteed a flight at all.

A flight is NOT "public transportation". Aviation is a private industry. There are rules to try to ensure passenger safety, but ultimately the airlines have a code of conduct and can make their own specific rules.

And once they realize that people won't put up with this crap, they will follow the money.

Don't like it? Too bad. Spend that energy parenting your kid instead of just inflicting them on everyone else.

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What is hard to understand about this? A cross-country flight is not "public transportation" as the PP claimed. Yes, people aren't guaranteed a flight free of disturbances when they pay for their tickets, but a "disturbance" like this one is hardly par for the course. A poorly behaved child (or parent) may have a right to travel on public transportation (owned and/or operated by a government), but they don't have a right to travel on a private airliner. An airline is a company. In order to protect their earnings, each airline has a code of conduct for their flights and passengers have been removed for violating it. The issue in this case is that they didn't remove the child although they should have.

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Anonymous wrote:it was pretty obvious that the child was special needs. he didn't seem to have any words.

Yes, and the other was aware of this BEFORE boarding the plane. Hopefully the result of the video is that she won’t fly with him again, and others will think twice before doing so. I’m glad the video was shared.

Its public transportation. Kids with special needs are part of the public. They have just as much of a right to be there as you do.

Not if they're a public disturbance, especially for an extended period of time (that goes for everyone - special needs or otherwise).

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You buy a ticket for a seat on a plane. You aren't guaranteed a ride free from disturbances. Kids with SNs are part of society and when they are this young, some can be extremely difficult. Don't like it? Too bad.

You aren't guaranteed a flight at all.

A flight is NOT "public transportation". Aviation is a private industry. There are rules to try to ensure passenger safety, but ultimately the airlines have a code of conduct and can make their own specific rules.

And once they realize that people won't put up with this crap, they will follow the money.

Don't like it? Too bad. Spend that energy parenting your kid instead of just inflicting them on everyone else.

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What is hard to understand about this? A cross-country flight is not "public transportation" as the PP claimed. Yes, people aren't guaranteed a flight free of disturbances when they pay for their tickets, but a "disturbance" like this one is hardly par for the course. A poorly behaved child (or parent) may have a right to travel on public transportation (owned and/or operated by a government), but they don't have a right to travel on a private airliner. An airline is a company. In order to protect their earnings, each airline has a code of conduct for their flights and passengers have been removed for violating it. The issue in this case is that they didn't remove the child although they should have.

Exactly. If I paid $850 for my ticket somebody should duct tape the kids mouth and physically restrain him.

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^^ unruly passengers are routinely escorted off flights. Obviously I’ll passengers are often not allowed to board.

That kid goes on the “no fly list” from here on out.

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For safety reasons, how can the flight attendants allow him to be sitting on top of the seats?

Was the fasten seatbelt sign ever on? How did he deal with that?

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I feel really bad for the kid (can you imagine screaming for 8 hours?) and the mom. I’m sure it wasn’t fun for the passengers, but it would certainly be worse for that family.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not going to post the video because they call the child names. I don't agree with saying nasty things about children in general, and it's clear this child has a developmental disorder. I have posted an article that goes into further detail below.

To summarize the situation a child screamed for 8 hours straight on a flight from Germany to the USA and was running around the cabin and climbing on seats.

My question is why wasn't an emergency stop made and the family removed from the plan? The running and climbing where safety issues and people are removed for far less.


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/news/article.cfm?c_id=7&objectid=11994943

You posted the link, how kind of you to be so sensitive. The poor overwhelmed parents.

This kid isn't denomic as so many lovely websites have dubbed him. He's obviously non verbal.

I'm so glad they weren't thrown off the plane. That would be cruel because it's obviously a situation out of parents control.

If you have a child that you believe will behave this way, it is cruel to the child to have him on a flight for this duration. If the flight was necessary, family moving back, then medicating the child for the flight would be the kind thing to do. This child was clearly very disturbed by simply being on the plane, parents should have known. It's hart breaking to think that he suffered for 8 hours.

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Anonymous wrote:Tldr. By any chance did that child have special needs? It can sometimes be very difficult to fly with an autistic child. The video looks like something similar that might occur.

I literally could not care less what your diagnosis is. If your child can’t be controlled for 8 hours in public, stay home or drive. I do not care. Not one iota.

disabled people have a right to be in public -- so I couldn't care less about what you think about it.

People of all ages who cause disturbances (i.e. screaming non stop for hours) are also regularly escorted out of public places.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not going to post the video because they call the child names. I don't agree with saying nasty things about children in general, and it's clear this child has a developmental disorder. I have posted an article that goes into further detail below.

To summarize the situation a child screamed for 8 hours straight on a flight from Germany to the USA and was running around the cabin and climbing on seats.

My question is why wasn't an emergency stop made and the family removed from the plan? The running and climbing where safety issues and people are removed for far less.


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/news/article.cfm?c_id=7&objectid=11994943

You posted the link, how kind of you to be so sensitive. The poor overwhelmed parents.

This kid isn't denomic as so many lovely websites have dubbed him. He's obviously non verbal.

I'm so glad they weren't thrown off the plane. That would be cruel because it's obviously a situation out of parents control.

If you have a child that you believe will behave this way, it is cruel to the child to have him on a flight for this duration. If the flight was necessary, family moving back, then medicating the child for the flight would be the kind thing to do. This child was clearly very disturbed by simply being on the plane, parents should have known. It's hart breaking to think that he suffered for 8 hours.

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Anonymous wrote:Tldr. By any chance did that child have special needs? It can sometimes be very difficult to fly with an autistic child. The video looks like something similar that might occur.

I literally could not care less what your diagnosis is. If your child can’t be controlled for 8 hours in public, stay home or drive. I do not care. Not one iota.

disabled people have a right to be in public -- so I couldn't care less about what you think about it.

You know very well this thread is not about whether disabled people have a right to be in public.
Are airplane disturbances caused by disabled people tolerated moreso than they are with healthy, able bodied individuals?
Probably not, unless a child is involved.

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Duct tape is.... the solution for everything.

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Anonymous wrote:Tldr. By any chance did that child have special needs? It can sometimes be very difficult to fly with an autistic child. The video looks like something similar that might occur.

I literally could not care less what your diagnosis is. If your child can’t be controlled for 8 hours in public, stay home or drive. I do not care. Not one iota.

disabled people have a right to be in public -- so I couldn't care less about what you think about it.

You know very well this thread is not about whether disabled people have a right to be in public.
Are airplane disturbances caused by disabled people tolerated moreso than they are with healthy, able bodied individuals?
Probably not, unless a child is involved.

This thread is very much about assuming the worse about mothers, children, and disabled children in public. There's zero evidence that the kid screamed for all 8 hours, that the kid was a danger to the flight, that the mother knew in advance what would happen (or that she was even his mother), or that she had any alternative at all to get to the US.