Mom leaves her baby in the car at daycare pickup wwyd?

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Carjackers may not see the babies. They just see a running car to steal.

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Anonymous wrote:Carjackers may not see the babies. They just see a running car to steal.

No one's lurking around a daycare that has a lot of foot and car traffic to steal a car. Get your head out of your ass.

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Anonymous wrote:Carjackers may not see the babies. They just see a running car to steal.

No one's lurking around a daycare that has a lot of foot and car traffic to steal a car. Get your head out of your ass.

You mean carjackers don't want s bunch of old cars owned by people who can't afford to upgrade them due to the cost of daycare?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Carjackers may not see the babies. They just see a running car to steal.

A running locked car (I mean its 2016, we all have remote start, right?).

In the time in which the premeditated cased out the joint carjacker had to break into the car surely they would see a child in the car? They'd run. Infants are scary even to their own parents at times, no wildly overcautious carjacker like you are pretending exists would want yours.

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MYOB!

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I was in this situation when I had a 4 year old and newborn. I am paranoid so I always took the baby out of the car and brought him in with me to get the older one. I would have LOVED if someone offered to stay by the car or get my older one so the baby could stay sleeping.

In retrospect, in a small private parking area (which it was) I should have rolled the windows down a little, locked the car, and run in and out. In a large parking lot with more than the daycare/school, then I would have taken him in.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like that list is a joke. It's a joke, right? Of course it takes you that long if you are a moron with saying goodbye issues.

I'm in and out. Teachers hate moms like you.

eh, the preschools generally want parents to be in line with their kids and ready for drop off when the classroom door opens. It gets all of the kids started at the same time.

That has nothing to do with "pick flowers, wave goodbye at window, potty child (this happens before you leave the home), go back in for another hug" etc. This Mom may have nothing better to do with her day, but most people enjoy the process being as seamless and quick as possible. OP's person was able to do it in 2 minutes. I can do it in under 5.

Good for you. I'm saying that simply walking my kid in with the crowd of other kids/parents walking into the school, standing in line at the door and waiting for it to open, giving a quick hug and then walking out and back to the car is more of a 10 minute process.

Now if I waited and zoomed in with my kid as a straggler...yeah, I could do it much quicker but I don't think that the teachers appreciate that too much.

Do you do the same ridiculous 20 step process at pick up? Because the OP is about pick up, not your child having a poop and seven special hugs at drop off.

I'm not the one with the long list. I explained exactly how drop off works. Pick up would mean getting to the school, standing in line for my child, getting my child from the classroom, walking back out through a crowd of other parents/kids, possibly having a quick chat with other parents/kids on the way out. Again, this is not a 2 minute process. It is closer to 10 minutes.

You could be speedier by always being a bit on the late side and being one of the last parents there to pick up your kid.

Not all centers have a finite start and end time, more of a window, so it would be very unusual for all parents to arrive at the same time.

Then if this is the case and parents are picking up at staggered times throughout the day then we are also talking about a relatively empty parking lot at any given time and a baby alone inside a car with the engine running...no one around. Pick up is probably quicker but if a carjacker is casing the lot for an opportunity...there would be no one around to see him or stop him.

If a carjacker has been casing out the preschool I'm sure they know which cars to avoid- and it would be those with babies. Carjackers want cars. Kidnappers want babies.

Maybe a pedophile or kidnapper would be targeting the baby and only taking the car as a means to an end. If you or someone you know is making it a habit to leave a small child outside, alone and unsupervised....maybe rethink that.

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Anonymous wrote:Carjackers may not see the babies. They just see a running car to steal.

A running locked car (I mean its 2016, we all have remote start, right?).

In the time in which the premeditated cased out the joint carjacker had to break into the car surely they would see a child in the car? They'd run. Infants are scary even to their own parents at times, no wildly overcautious carjacker like you are pretending exists would want yours.

Exactly

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Jeff should probably just lock this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really surprised by the responses. I would tell the daycare and then myob. If I happened to be doing drop off or pick up at the same time I would watch from my car until she returned but the expectation that OP coordinate her schedule with this mom is ridiculous. It is not okay to leave your baby in a car! I only do it if I am in my own driveway.

What makes your driveway inherently more safe than a daycare center? It's a false security.

OP - mind your own business. This woman has made a calculation that leaving a sleeping baby for 2 minutes is an acceptable risk, just as you have decided that letting your child ride in a car at all is an acceptable level of risk.

She's not doing anything wrong, and you need to butt out.

The difference between a private driveway and a daycare center's parking lot is - ownership. You own your own driveway while the daycare center owns the center parking lot. The owner gets to make the rules.

I used to leave my kids strapped in their seats in the driveway while I ran in/out of the house unloading groceries. Why? Because they were either sleeping or I needed for them to be contained for a few minutes while I ran groceries inside the house. I didn't have a garage...so the car was parked in my driveway. I suppose I could have taken the kids inside, put them in a playpen to scream or let them run around freely and unsupervised while I unloaded the groceries but what sense would that make?

I suppose some sort of freak car jacking could have happened. But something easily as freakish could have happened if I took the kids inside the house - maybe the house could have exploded into flames while I was unloading the groceries from the car....ugh. People do not understand risk.

Ownership of driveway/parking lot makes no difference so I'm not sure why you are up in arms about people not understanding risk.

Either way, leaving a sleeping baby in a car for two minutes is a risk I personally would assume. Others have a lower risk tolerance which is fine.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really surprised by the responses. I would tell the daycare and then myob. If I happened to be doing drop off or pick up at the same time I would watch from my car until she returned but the expectation that OP coordinate her schedule with this mom is ridiculous. It is not okay to leave your baby in a car! I only do it if I am in my own driveway.

What makes your driveway inherently more safe than a daycare center? It's a false security.

OP - mind your own business. This woman has made a calculation that leaving a sleeping baby for 2 minutes is an acceptable risk, just as you have decided that letting your child ride in a car at all is an acceptable level of risk.

She's not doing anything wrong, and you need to butt out.

The difference between a private driveway and a daycare center's parking lot is - ownership. You own your own driveway while the daycare center owns the center parking lot. The owner gets to make the rules.

I used to leave my kids strapped in their seats in the driveway while I ran in/out of the house unloading groceries. Why? Because they were either sleeping or I needed for them to be contained for a few minutes while I ran groceries inside the house. I didn't have a garage...so the car was parked in my driveway. I suppose I could have taken the kids inside, put them in a playpen to scream or let them run around freely and unsupervised while I unloaded the groceries but what sense would that make?

I suppose some sort of freak car jacking could have happened. But something easily as freakish could have happened if I took the kids inside the house - maybe the house could have exploded into flames while I was unloading the groceries from the car....ugh. People do not understand risk.

Ownership of driveway/parking lot makes no difference so I'm not sure why you are up in arms about people not understanding risk.

Either way, leaving a sleeping baby in a car for two minutes is a risk I personally would assume. Others have a lower risk tolerance which is fine.

Owner of the lot gets to make the rules.

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^In other words, it is about the lot owner's risk tolerance, not your risk tolerance, kwim?

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Anonymous wrote:^In other words, it is about the lot owner's risk tolerance, not your risk tolerance, kwim?

I haven't read all the posts, but I didn't get the impression that there was a written rule.

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In MD, a child should be 8 years old to be left unaccompanied in a car. Someone else might know the law for DC and VA; I don't. (Googleable, though.)

That said, OP, since you see the child is not in danger, why would you even consider reporting the mother? Our unattended child laws typically are vague or overbroad, resulting in foolish, misguided enforcement.

A call about this automatically gets the police and CPS called in to interfere with the mother's parental rights. CPS is a frighteningly powerful agency which can cause tremendous trouble and heartache for the entire family for months and years afterward.

Moreover, the amount of trauma you could put a child in (by getting her taken unnecessarily into the foster care system) is far, far worse than checking on her casually with a dose of common sense.

If she's fine, leave well enough alone, or at most speak to mom of your fears, although at that point it's NOYB. Just know that CPS is not going to help in a benign situation like this, only harm. The cops? Same-same. I vote MYOB if you can't be helpful.

If the extent of our collective concern about kids in cars is whether to become a phone informant or a social media shamer, let's just... not. Sharing isn't caring unless there's a bona fide problem. This doesn't appear to be one.

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Anonymous wrote:Ask the mom iif she wants me to stand by her car for the two minutes she is gone.

Who has time for that? Don't have more than one kid if you can't handle them.

I dunno, I think you could ask this - if the timing was right (like while you were loading up your own child) - I mean, it take a village sometimes - maybe she's struggling.