New Budget Recommendations -- eliminate AAP busing and centers

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Anonymous wrote:If people were being honest, they would acknowledge that the impact of sorting kids into AAP and GenEd tracks at public schools is of a different nature than a kid making a travel soccer team. Not that one predicts success, or the other guarantees failure, but the message delivered and longer-term consequences are more significant.

But, please, carry on with the rationalizations. It's fairly amusing to watch the rhetorical somersaults when the truth is fairly obvious.

Absolutely agree. The tired travel soccer analogy is comparing apples to oranges. It's one thing for a child to know that he or she isn't athletically talented enough to compete on a travel team. Obviously, travel teams are all about competition and want to win, so they'll only accept the best players. (And no, my kids aren't athletes, so I don't have anyone on a travel team).

It's quite another thing to tell one group of kids they're "smarter" than the other group. Labeling based on something as basic as innate knowledge can follow one through life. And what makes the AAP system even more egregious than simply offering a GT program for the exceptionally gifted, is that it sorts the entire population of students into two groups, with an incredible amount of overlap in each. Most AAP kids no smarter than most Gen Ed kids, but all of these kids will grow up falsely believing that they are either smart or not. Nothing about the system as it stands is right.

I have kids in both programs.

Many AAP kids at the elementary level especially are smarter than many non AAP kids.

I say elementary level because some kids are late bloomers who can't work to the level or pace of AAP as a third or fourth grader but who start to catch up in late elementary or middle school. Some kids are not as bright but as a result have to work their tails off throughout elementary and in the process due to determination and hard work catch up or surpass some of the AAP kids by middle school. Some AAP kids might be smarter and quicker in early elementary but because they don't have to work very hard for mastery, even in AAP, they end up being passed up by middle school.

Many AAP kids at the elementary level specifically are very much accelerated and learn at a quicker pace than their non AAP peers. But if gen ed is being done correctly, as I believe it is, that gap starts to close around middle school and the majority of the kids even out by high school.

That is what happens in the vast majority of schools and centers in fcps. Because of their success in closing the gap, I think they way fcps structures gen ed, centers and level 3 services is a good program.

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Anonymous wrote:If people were being honest, they would acknowledge that the impact of sorting kids into AAP and GenEd tracks at public schools is of a different nature than a kid making a travel soccer team. Not that one predicts success, or the other guarantees failure, but the message delivered and longer-term consequences are more significant.

But, please, carry on with the rationalizations. It's fairly amusing to watch the rhetorical somersaults when the truth is fairly obvious.

Absolutely agree. The tired travel soccer analogy is comparing apples to oranges. It's one thing for a child to know that he or she isn't athletically talented enough to compete on a travel team. Obviously, travel teams are all about competition and want to win, so they'll only accept the best players. (And no, my kids aren't athletes, so I don't have anyone on a travel team).

It's quite another thing to tell one group of kids they're "smarter" than the other group. Labeling based on something as basic as innate knowledge can follow one through life. And what makes the AAP system even more egregious than simply offering a GT program for the exceptionally gifted, is that it sorts the entire population of students into two groups, with an incredible amount of overlap in each. Most AAP kids no smarter than most Gen Ed kids, but all of these kids will grow up falsely believing that they are either smart or not. Nothing about the system as it stands is right.

Labeling someone as not athletic can also follow someone throughout life. Labeling someone as a superior athlete at a young age also has a similar effect.

Our school does a combined AAP/general ed program which I believe is the best of both worlds. Travel/rec programs are so separate that kids in each never cross paths. At least this kids get to see each other in school for a variety of different classes.

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Anonymous wrote:What are people even arguing about? AAP transportation is $1 million. Want to do away with it? Fine. That's $1 million out of the $75 million FCPS says it needs. AAP level 4 does not cost any more except testing which I'm told would happen anyway. A Center designation does not cost more money. Level 2 and 3 are the services that costs more money. Is this what people are arguing goes away? Getting rid of the AART teachers who teach Young Scholars, level 2 and level 3 advanced academics?

Creating local level 4s will cost money -- they will have to interview and hire AAP teachers at all the ESs, install trailers, deal with picking kids to fill out classes who aren't AAP-qualified, etc. Don't think it's just a quick reduction of $1m to get rid of bussing.

Oh -- I forgot about the costs of rezoning. B/c my kids' AAP center school is over 50% AAP. Get rid of busing and put a phony local level 4 in each feeder school and you will definitely have to rezone the former-center school. There are costs associated with that as well. The budget committee was given a list of items with a direct-cost listed. Indirect costs were not listed... and I believe the indirect costs of eliminating busing and adding local level 4 everywhere are substantial.

The costs will be a lot less if they redefine what "level 4" is. If they decide that level 4 is just pull outs or even grouping kids for math/reading, it will be cheaper than what I've described above... but it will also be a very watered down program. There is good reason to be concerned... not panicked, but concerned. For those of us who know and love our kids' center, there could be drastic changes... and what we know may not exist next year... but right now, it's all very vague.

My kids also attend an AAP center that is over 50% AAP. I completely disagree that rezoning would cost that much and in fact, believe we are long overdue for some rezoning. Why do you call a LLIV program "phony"? Why must your kids have a special center program? This is a public school system which is not in any way required to house AAP kids in centers. GT kids from a decade and more ago were always instructed in their own schools and they did just fine. Besides which, the vast majority of current AAP kids are completely mainstream and absolutely don't need a special learning environment. Why do you feel your kids are entitled to one?

I'm not calling any current level 4 program phony -- I'm concerned that shoving level 4 programs into schools that never had them before (i.e. put local level 4 in every ES -- as stated in the budget recommendations) will end up being a fake/phony/faux level 4 program. I do not trust the principal at the base school (where my other child goes) to support or even understand local level 4. I wouldn't think my AAP kid is special or needs a special environment, but truth be told, his AAP teacher thinks he absolutely should be in AAP and not in a gen ed classroom... and truth is, the education my non-AAP kid has had is substandard compared to the AAP curriculum. So, while I'd like for kids in gen ed (at least some kids) to get the AAP curriculum, I'm not willing to destroy the AAP curriculum as I know it just to pretend that we are giving it to all kids at each ES.

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Anonymous wrote:What are people even arguing about? AAP transportation is $1 million. Want to do away with it? Fine. That's $1 million out of the $75 million FCPS says it needs. AAP level 4 does not cost any more except testing which I'm told would happen anyway. A Center designation does not cost more money. Level 2 and 3 are the services that costs more money. Is this what people are arguing goes away? Getting rid of the AART teachers who teach Young Scholars, level 2 and level 3 advanced academics?

Creating local level 4s will cost money -- they will have to interview and hire AAP teachers at all the ESs, install trailers, deal with picking kids to fill out classes who aren't AAP-qualified, etc. Don't think it's just a quick reduction of $1m to get rid of bussing.

Oh -- I forgot about the costs of rezoning. B/c my kids' AAP center school is over 50% AAP. Get rid of busing and put a phony local level 4 in each feeder school and you will definitely have to rezone the former-center school. There are costs associated with that as well. The budget committee was given a list of items with a direct-cost listed. Indirect costs were not listed... and I believe the indirect costs of eliminating busing and adding local level 4 everywhere are substantial.

The costs will be a lot less if they redefine what "level 4" is. If they decide that level 4 is just pull outs or even grouping kids for math/reading, it will be cheaper than what I've described above... but it will also be a very watered down program. There is good reason to be concerned... not panicked, but concerned. For those of us who know and love our kids' center, there could be drastic changes... and what we know may not exist next year... but right now, it's all very vague.

My kids also attend an AAP center that is over 50% AAP. I completely disagree that rezoning would cost that much and in fact, believe we are long overdue for some rezoning. Why do you call a LLIV program "phony"? Why must your kids have a special center program? This is a public school system which is not in any way required to house AAP kids in centers. GT kids from a decade and more ago were always instructed in their own schools and they did just fine. Besides which, the vast majority of current AAP kids are completely mainstream and absolutely don't need a special learning environment. Why do you feel your kids are entitled to one?

Centers have been around for longer than 10 years.

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Anonymous wrote:What are people even arguing about? AAP transportation is $1 million. Want to do away with it? Fine. That's $1 million out of the $75 million FCPS says it needs. AAP level 4 does not cost any more except testing which I'm told would happen anyway. A Center designation does not cost more money. Level 2 and 3 are the services that costs more money. Is this what people are arguing goes away? Getting rid of the AART teachers who teach Young Scholars, level 2 and level 3 advanced academics?

Creating local level 4s will cost money -- they will have to interview and hire AAP teachers at all the ESs, install trailers, deal with picking kids to fill out classes who aren't AAP-qualified, etc. Don't think it's just a quick reduction of $1m to get rid of bussing.

Oh -- I forgot about the costs of rezoning. B/c my kids' AAP center school is over 50% AAP. Get rid of busing and put a phony local level 4 in each feeder school and you will definitely have to rezone the former-center school. There are costs associated with that as well. The budget committee was given a list of items with a direct-cost listed. Indirect costs were not listed... and I believe the indirect costs of eliminating busing and adding local level 4 everywhere are substantial.

The costs will be a lot less if they redefine what "level 4" is. If they decide that level 4 is just pull outs or even grouping kids for math/reading, it will be cheaper than what I've described above... but it will also be a very watered down program. There is good reason to be concerned... not panicked, but concerned. For those of us who know and love our kids' center, there could be drastic changes... and what we know may not exist next year... but right now, it's all very vague.

My kids also attend an AAP center that is over 50% AAP. I completely disagree that rezoning would cost that much and in fact, believe we are long overdue for some rezoning. Why do you call a LLIV program "phony"? Why must your kids have a special center program? This is a public school system which is not in any way required to house AAP kids in centers. GT kids from a decade and more ago were always instructed in their own schools and they did just fine. Besides which, the vast majority of current AAP kids are completely mainstream and absolutely don't need a special learning environment. Why do you feel your kids are entitled to one?

Centers have been around for longer than 10 years.

I think you know exactly what was meant.

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Anonymous wrote:What are people even arguing about? AAP transportation is $1 million. Want to do away with it? Fine. That's $1 million out of the $75 million FCPS says it needs. AAP level 4 does not cost any more except testing which I'm told would happen anyway. A Center designation does not cost more money. Level 2 and 3 are the services that costs more money. Is this what people are arguing goes away? Getting rid of the AART teachers who teach Young Scholars, level 2 and level 3 advanced academics?

Creating local level 4s will cost money -- they will have to interview and hire AAP teachers at all the ESs, install trailers, deal with picking kids to fill out classes who aren't AAP-qualified, etc. Don't think it's just a quick reduction of $1m to get rid of bussing.

Oh -- I forgot about the costs of rezoning. B/c my kids' AAP center school is over 50% AAP. Get rid of busing and put a phony local level 4 in each feeder school and you will definitely have to rezone the former-center school. There are costs associated with that as well. The budget committee was given a list of items with a direct-cost listed. Indirect costs were not listed... and I believe the indirect costs of eliminating busing and adding local level 4 everywhere are substantial.

The costs will be a lot less if they redefine what "level 4" is. If they decide that level 4 is just pull outs or even grouping kids for math/reading, it will be cheaper than what I've described above... but it will also be a very watered down program. There is good reason to be concerned... not panicked, but concerned. For those of us who know and love our kids' center, there could be drastic changes... and what we know may not exist next year... but right now, it's all very vague.

My kids also attend an AAP center that is over 50% AAP. I completely disagree that rezoning would cost that much and in fact, believe we are long overdue for some rezoning. Why do you call a LLIV program "phony"? Why must your kids have a special center program? This is a public school system which is not in any way required to house AAP kids in centers. GT kids from a decade and more ago were always instructed in their own schools and they did just fine. Besides which, the vast majority of current AAP kids are completely mainstream and absolutely don't need a special learning environment. Why do you feel your kids are entitled to one?

Centers have been around for longer than 10 years.

I think you know exactly what was meant.

Yes, the pp is arguing that centers are unnecessary because 10 years ago GT students were "always" in their base schools. I pointed out this is not true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What are people even arguing about? AAP transportation is $1 million. Want to do away with it? Fine. That's $1 million out of the $75 million FCPS says it needs. AAP level 4 does not cost any more except testing which I'm told would happen anyway. A Center designation does not cost more money. Level 2 and 3 are the services that costs more money. Is this what people are arguing goes away? Getting rid of the AART teachers who teach Young Scholars, level 2 and level 3 advanced academics?

Creating local level 4s will cost money -- they will have to interview and hire AAP teachers at all the ESs, install trailers, deal with picking kids to fill out classes who aren't AAP-qualified, etc. Don't think it's just a quick reduction of $1m to get rid of bussing.

Oh -- I forgot about the costs of rezoning. B/c my kids' AAP center school is over 50% AAP. Get rid of busing and put a phony local level 4 in each feeder school and you will definitely have to rezone the former-center school. There are costs associated with that as well. The budget committee was given a list of items with a direct-cost listed. Indirect costs were not listed... and I believe the indirect costs of eliminating busing and adding local level 4 everywhere are substantial.

The costs will be a lot less if they redefine what "level 4" is. If they decide that level 4 is just pull outs or even grouping kids for math/reading, it will be cheaper than what I've described above... but it will also be a very watered down program. There is good reason to be concerned... not panicked, but concerned. For those of us who know and love our kids' center, there could be drastic changes... and what we know may not exist next year... but right now, it's all very vague.

Trailers yes but you eliminate bussing to centers you will end up destaffing a bunch of aap teachers who can transition to become local level four aap teachers.

I think pupil placing or having part time student who come in for specific subjects could still be very beneficial especially in higher poverty schools.

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Anonymous wrote:What are people even arguing about? AAP transportation is $1 million. Want to do away with it? Fine. That's $1 million out of the $75 million FCPS says it needs. AAP level 4 does not cost any more except testing which I'm told would happen anyway. A Center designation does not cost more money. Level 2 and 3 are the services that costs more money. Is this what people are arguing goes away? Getting rid of the AART teachers who teach Young Scholars, level 2 and level 3 advanced academics?

Creating local level 4s will cost money -- they will have to interview and hire AAP teachers at all the ESs, install trailers, deal with picking kids to fill out classes who aren't AAP-qualified, etc. Don't think it's just a quick reduction of $1m to get rid of bussing.

Oh -- I forgot about the costs of rezoning. B/c my kids' AAP center school is over 50% AAP. Get rid of busing and put a phony local level 4 in each feeder school and you will definitely have to rezone the former-center school. There are costs associated with that as well. The budget committee was given a list of items with a direct-cost listed. Indirect costs were not listed... and I believe the indirect costs of eliminating busing and adding local level 4 everywhere are substantial.

The costs will be a lot less if they redefine what "level 4" is. If they decide that level 4 is just pull outs or even grouping kids for math/reading, it will be cheaper than what I've described above... but it will also be a very watered down program. There is good reason to be concerned... not panicked, but concerned. For those of us who know and love our kids' center, there could be drastic changes... and what we know may not exist next year... but right now, it's all very vague.

My kids also attend an AAP center that is over 50% AAP. I completely disagree that rezoning would cost that much and in fact, believe we are long overdue for some rezoning. Why do you call a LLIV program "phony"? Why must your kids have a special center program? This is a public school system which is not in any way required to house AAP kids in centers. GT kids from a decade and more ago were always instructed in their own schools and they did just fine. Besides which, the vast majority of current AAP kids are completely mainstream and absolutely don't need a special learning environment. Why do you feel your kids are entitled to one?

Centers have been around for longer than 10 years.

I think you know exactly what was meant.

Yes, the pp is arguing that centers are unnecessary because 10 years ago GT students were "always" in their base schools. I pointed out this is not true.

The point is that separate education (centers) for AAP kids is unnecessary. They can be taught in their own base schools, as they used to be. It's interesting that AAP parents think their kids need to be taught separately, but that it's just fine for the kids at the opposite end of the spectrum to be fully integrated in the General Ed. classes. If it's fine for those kids, then it should be fine for the AAP kids. Right? Or are AAP kids somehow entitled to a separate educational experience?

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Anonymous wrote:What are people even arguing about? AAP transportation is $1 million. Want to do away with it? Fine. That's $1 million out of the $75 million FCPS says it needs. AAP level 4 does not cost any more except testing which I'm told would happen anyway. A Center designation does not cost more money. Level 2 and 3 are the services that costs more money. Is this what people are arguing goes away? Getting rid of the AART teachers who teach Young Scholars, level 2 and level 3 advanced academics?

Creating local level 4s will cost money -- they will have to interview and hire AAP teachers at all the ESs, install trailers, deal with picking kids to fill out classes who aren't AAP-qualified, etc. Don't think it's just a quick reduction of $1m to get rid of bussing.

Oh -- I forgot about the costs of rezoning. B/c my kids' AAP center school is over 50% AAP. Get rid of busing and put a phony local level 4 in each feeder school and you will definitely have to rezone the former-center school. There are costs associated with that as well. The budget committee was given a list of items with a direct-cost listed. Indirect costs were not listed... and I believe the indirect costs of eliminating busing and adding local level 4 everywhere are substantial.

The costs will be a lot less if they redefine what "level 4" is. If they decide that level 4 is just pull outs or even grouping kids for math/reading, it will be cheaper than what I've described above... but it will also be a very watered down program. There is good reason to be concerned... not panicked, but concerned. For those of us who know and love our kids' center, there could be drastic changes... and what we know may not exist next year... but right now, it's all very vague.

My kids also attend an AAP center that is over 50% AAP. I completely disagree that rezoning would cost that much and in fact, believe we are long overdue for some rezoning. Why do you call a LLIV program "phony"? Why must your kids have a special center program? This is a public school system which is not in any way required to house AAP kids in centers. GT kids from a decade and more ago were always instructed in their own schools and they did just fine. Besides which, the vast majority of current AAP kids are completely mainstream and absolutely don't need a special learning environment. Why do you feel your kids are entitled to one?

Centers have been around for longer than 10 years.

I think you know exactly what was meant.

Yes, the pp is arguing that centers are unnecessary because 10 years ago GT students were "always" in their base schools. I pointed out this is not true.

The point is that separate education (centers) for AAP kids is unnecessary. They can be taught in their own base schools, as they used to be. It's interesting that AAP parents think their kids need to be taught separately, but that it's just fine for the kids at the opposite end of the spectrum to be fully integrated in the General Ed. classes. If it's fine for those kids, then it should be fine for the AAP kids. Right? Or are AAP kids somehow entitled to a separate educational experience?

I disagree.

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yes they are entitled to a different experience-such is the nature of special Ed

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What are people even arguing about? AAP transportation is $1 million. Want to do away with it? Fine. That's $1 million out of the $75 million FCPS says it needs. AAP level 4 does not cost any more except testing which I'm told would happen anyway. A Center designation does not cost more money. Level 2 and 3 are the services that costs more money. Is this what people are arguing goes away? Getting rid of the AART teachers who teach Young Scholars, level 2 and level 3 advanced academics?

Creating local level 4s will cost money -- they will have to interview and hire AAP teachers at all the ESs, install trailers, deal with picking kids to fill out classes who aren't AAP-qualified, etc. Don't think it's just a quick reduction of $1m to get rid of bussing.

Oh -- I forgot about the costs of rezoning. B/c my kids' AAP center school is over 50% AAP. Get rid of busing and put a phony local level 4 in each feeder school and you will definitely have to rezone the former-center school. There are costs associated with that as well. The budget committee was given a list of items with a direct-cost listed. Indirect costs were not listed... and I believe the indirect costs of eliminating busing and adding local level 4 everywhere are substantial.

The costs will be a lot less if they redefine what "level 4" is. If they decide that level 4 is just pull outs or even grouping kids for math/reading, it will be cheaper than what I've described above... but it will also be a very watered down program. There is good reason to be concerned... not panicked, but concerned. For those of us who know and love our kids' center, there could be drastic changes... and what we know may not exist next year... but right now, it's all very vague.

My kids also attend an AAP center that is over 50% AAP. I completely disagree that rezoning would cost that much and in fact, believe we are long overdue for some rezoning. Why do you call a LLIV program "phony"? Why must your kids have a special center program? This is a public school system which is not in any way required to house AAP kids in centers. GT kids from a decade and more ago were always instructed in their own schools and they did just fine. Besides which, the vast majority of current AAP kids are completely mainstream and absolutely don't need a special learning environment. Why do you feel your kids are entitled to one?

Centers have been around for longer than 10 years.

I think you know exactly what was meant.

Yes, the pp is arguing that centers are unnecessary because 10 years ago GT students were "always" in their base schools. I pointed out this is not true.

The point is that separate education (centers) for AAP kids is unnecessary. They can be taught in their own base schools, as they used to be. It's interesting that AAP parents think their kids need to be taught separately, but that it's just fine for the kids at the opposite end of the spectrum to be fully integrated in the General Ed. classes. If it's fine for those kids, then it should be fine for the AAP kids. Right? Or are AAP kids somehow entitled to a separate educational experience?

I disagree.

You disagree with what part? That kids on the lower end of the spectrum should be included in "regular" classrooms, or that AAP kids should be? Because if we're going to push for inclusion of all kids, then why should AAP be any different? No need for a special learning environment.

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Anonymous wrote:yes they are entitled to a different experience-such is the nature of special Ed

Now this is just silly. It is a known fact that AAP is NOT special Ed. There may be some kids within AAP who have LDs, but the program as a whole isn't considered "special ed." Sorry.

[Anonymous]

Bye centers

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Anonymous wrote:What are people even arguing about? AAP transportation is $1 million. Want to do away with it? Fine. That's $1 million out of the $75 million FCPS says it needs. AAP level 4 does not cost any more except testing which I'm told would happen anyway. A Center designation does not cost more money. Level 2 and 3 are the services that costs more money. Is this what people are arguing goes away? Getting rid of the AART teachers who teach Young Scholars, level 2 and level 3 advanced academics?

Creating local level 4s will cost money -- they will have to interview and hire AAP teachers at all the ESs, install trailers, deal with picking kids to fill out classes who aren't AAP-qualified, etc. Don't think it's just a quick reduction of $1m to get rid of bussing.

Oh -- I forgot about the costs of rezoning. B/c my kids' AAP center school is over 50% AAP. Get rid of busing and put a phony local level 4 in each feeder school and you will definitely have to rezone the former-center school. There are costs associated with that as well. The budget committee was given a list of items with a direct-cost listed. Indirect costs were not listed... and I believe the indirect costs of eliminating busing and adding local level 4 everywhere are substantial.

The costs will be a lot less if they redefine what "level 4" is. If they decide that level 4 is just pull outs or even grouping kids for math/reading, it will be cheaper than what I've described above... but it will also be a very watered down program. There is good reason to be concerned... not panicked, but concerned. For those of us who know and love our kids' center, there could be drastic changes... and what we know may not exist next year... but right now, it's all very vague.

My kids also attend an AAP center that is over 50% AAP. I completely disagree that rezoning would cost that much and in fact, believe we are long overdue for some rezoning. Why do you call a LLIV program "phony"? Why must your kids have a special center program? This is a public school system which is not in any way required to house AAP kids in centers. GT kids from a decade and more ago were always instructed in their own schools and they did just fine. Besides which, the vast majority of current AAP kids are completely mainstream and absolutely don't need a special learning environment. Why do you feel your kids are entitled to one?

Centers have been around for longer than 10 years.

I think you know exactly what was meant.

Yes, the pp is arguing that centers are unnecessary because 10 years ago GT students were "always" in their base schools. I pointed out this is not true.

The point is that separate education (centers) for AAP kids is unnecessary. They can be taught in their own base schools, as they used to be. It's interesting that AAP parents think their kids need to be taught separately, but that it's just fine for the kids at the opposite end of the spectrum to be fully integrated in the General Ed. classes. If it's fine for those kids, then it should be fine for the AAP kids. Right? Or are AAP kids somehow entitled to a separate educational experience?

I disagree.

You disagree with what part? That kids on the lower end of the spectrum should be included in "regular" classrooms, or that AAP kids should be? Because if we're going to push for inclusion of all kids, then why should AAP be any different? No need for a special learning environment.

I disagree with your post.

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