On the chopping block: AAP Centers

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Wouldn't that likely give AAP students exactly one small class of kids they spend 4 years with? How is that better?

Because then it would be the overprivileged AAP kids affected, not mine.



And the insults start flying.

Don't you see how ugly you portray yourself when you start insulting kids who are part of your school community?

It makes all your other arguments tainted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:the post a while back about the person who bought a cheaper bigger house in another neighborhood because they were already set for their kids to attend the center rubs me the wrong way after the fight we just endured. The only people who have an absolute right to be in any school are the ones in that district (yes, I realize lines do change from time to time). In the overcrowding situation at GBW, the center was the issue, and it needed to be remedied. If you bought in another neighborhood and expected that your kids have a right to attend another school, you are wrong. If it is absolutely critically important that your children must attend one school only, please buy as close to that school as possible within the boundary line.

Actually, the district lines are county wide, so any kid in the entire county has the absolute right to attend whichever school the school board and district deems appropriate, be it next door or across town.

[Anonymous]

yes, lines change and admission standards change (magnets and immersion). But, that's not really what we're talking about here.

When there is an overcrowding situation at a center school, something has to give. And most likely, that is going to be the center admission/feeder patterns rather than kids who live right next door to the school hosting students from outside its general boundaries.

Yes, it is ultimately up to the school board to decide on who goes where. That I do not argue. But the absolute outrage people had over being moved back to the school that is the base school for their neighborhood is just ridiculous. They were still getting the program they desired, just at a different location. A location that is NOT severely overcrowded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:yes, lines change and admission standards change (magnets and immersion). But, that's not really what we're talking about here.

When there is an overcrowding situation at a center school, something has to give. And most likely, that is going to be the center admission/feeder patterns rather than kids who live right next door to the school hosting students from outside its general boundaries.

Yes, it is ultimately up to the school board to decide on who goes where. That I do not argue. But the absolute outrage people had over being moved back to the school that is the base school for their neighborhood is just ridiculous. They were still getting the program they desired, just at a different location. A location that is NOT severely overcrowded.

Sorry, I will not relent on this. The base school students are not "hosting" the center students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:yes, lines change and admission standards change (magnets and immersion). But, that's not really what we're talking about here.

When there is an overcrowding situation at a center school, something has to give. And most likely, that is going to be the center admission/feeder patterns rather than kids who live right next door to the school hosting students from outside its general boundaries.

Yes, it is ultimately up to the school board to decide on who goes where. That I do not argue. But the absolute outrage people had over being moved back to the school that is the base school for their neighborhood is just ridiculous. They were still getting the program they desired, just at a different location. A location that is NOT severely overcrowded.

Sorry, I will not relent on this. The base school students are not "hosting" the center students.

it's not the students personally hosting - it is the center school itself.

This is the nature of the program - students from outside the boundary of the school coming in for a special program. I'm sorry you don't like the way it is phrased, but this is factual. There are feeder schools for the AAP Center, but the center school is receiving students that wouldn't be attending the school were it NOT for the Center.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:yes, lines change and admission standards change (magnets and immersion). But, that's not really what we're talking about here.

When there is an overcrowding situation at a center school, something has to give. And most likely, that is going to be the center admission/feeder patterns rather than kids who live right next door to the school hosting students from outside its general boundaries.

Yes, it is ultimately up to the school board to decide on who goes where. That I do not argue. But the absolute outrage people had over being moved back to the school that is the base school for their neighborhood is just ridiculous. They were still getting the program they desired, just at a different location. A location that is NOT severely overcrowded.

Sorry, I will not relent on this. The base school students are not "hosting" the center students.

it's not the students personally hosting - it is the center school itself.

This is the nature of the program - students from outside the boundary of the school coming in for a special program. I'm sorry you don't like the way it is phrased, but this is factual. There are feeder schools for the AAP Center, but the center school is receiving students that wouldn't be attending the school were it NOT for the Center.

I have no horse in this race, but once a child is admitted to AAP and elects the center option, that center school is not "hosting" the child. The child has just as much right to be there as the base school kids. The center school "hosts" students who are pupil placed with principal approval. The principal can't just decide to kick the center kids out. Just as with the base school kids, AAP kids are subject to being rezoned. AAP realignment is more likely to happen that base school rezoning in the event of overcrowding, but that's also the case for kids living far from the school versus those living close. That doesn't mean the school is hosting those who live far away but in bounds just because they might be first to be rezoned. Maybe you shouldn't buy a house zoned for a center school if you don't want to deal with all the issues at a center school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:yes, lines change and admission standards change (magnets and immersion). But, that's not really what we're talking about here.

When there is an overcrowding situation at a center school, something has to give. And most likely, that is going to be the center admission/feeder patterns rather than kids who live right next door to the school hosting students from outside its general boundaries.

Yes, it is ultimately up to the school board to decide on who goes where. That I do not argue. But the absolute outrage people had over being moved back to the school that is the base school for their neighborhood is just ridiculous. They were still getting the program they desired, just at a different location. A location that is NOT severely overcrowded.

Sorry, I will not relent on this. The base school students are not "hosting" the center students.

Not hosting. My child is a student, and your child's peer. Not your (unwelcome) guest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:yes, lines change and admission standards change (magnets and immersion). But, that's not really what we're talking about here.

When there is an overcrowding situation at a center school, something has to give. And most likely, that is going to be the center admission/feeder patterns rather than kids who live right next door to the school hosting students from outside its general boundaries.

Yes, it is ultimately up to the school board to decide on who goes where. That I do not argue. But the absolute outrage people had over being moved back to the school that is the base school for their neighborhood is just ridiculous. They were still getting the program they desired, just at a different location. A location that is NOT severely overcrowded.

Sorry, I will not relent on this. The base school students are not "hosting" the center students.

it's not the students personally hosting - it is the center school itself.

This is the nature of the program - students from outside the boundary of the school coming in for a special program. I'm sorry you don't like the way it is phrased, but this is factual. There are feeder schools for the AAP Center, but the center school is receiving students that wouldn't be attending the school were it NOT for the Center.

I have no horse in this race, but once a child is admitted to AAP and elects the center option, that center school is not "hosting" the child. The child has just as much right to be there as the base school kids. The center school "hosts" students who are pupil placed with principal approval. The principal can't just decide to kick the center kids out. Just as with the base school kids, AAP kids are subject to being rezoned. AAP realignment is more likely to happen that base school rezoning in the event of overcrowding, but that's also the case for kids living far from the school versus those living close. That doesn't mean the school is hosting those who live far away but in bounds just because they might be first to be rezoned. Maybe you shouldn't buy a house zoned for a center school if you don't want to deal with all the issues at a center school.

+1

Facilities do not drive instructional programs; it's the other way around. Facilities support instructional programs.

http://www.fcps.edu/schlbd/docs/manual.pdf

The Superintendent shall:
1. Maintain a Facilities Comprehensive Plan that assures that classroom
capacity and infrastructure meet instructional program and community
needs and is equitable across the county.

[Anonymous]

The instructional program still has to go somewhere. What word do you approve of for the situation?

[Anonymous]

The Superintendent shall:
1. Maintain a Facilities Comprehensive Plan that assures that classroom
capacity and infrastructure meet instructional program and community
needs and is equitable across the county.

Well if we're going to nitpick -- equitable? Seems the county is violating it's own provision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
The Superintendent shall:
1. Maintain a Facilities Comprehensive Plan that assures that classroom
capacity and infrastructure meet instructional program and community
needs and is equitable across the county.

Well if we're going to nitpick -- equitable? Seems the county is violating it's own provision.

Exactly. This was the driver for the changes made at Greenbriar W.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The Superintendent shall:
1. Maintain a Facilities Comprehensive Plan that assures that classroom
capacity and infrastructure meet instructional program and community
needs and is equitable across the county.

Well if we're going to nitpick -- equitable? Seems the county is violating it's own provision.

Exactly. This was the driver for the changes made at Greenbriar W.

Opening a can of worms here, but I'd be interested in seeing the statistics on FARMS students who also are in LLIV/centers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Opening a can of worms here, but I'd be interested in seeing the statistics on FARMS students who also are in LLIV/centers.

My assumption is that it is NOT high.

And since part of the issue behind the scenes at GBW was a feeling that the caucasian kids at Poplar Tree were "poor whites", there is absolutely a class bias at least amongst a certain subset of parents in the AAP pool in Chantilly. Which is ridiculously funny, because the houses in Poplar Tree are out of our price range by about $100K, which is why we're in Greenbriar.

What's that about peer groups?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Wouldn't that likely give AAP students exactly one small class of kids they spend 4 years with? How is that better?

Because then it would be the overprivileged AAP kids affected, not mine.

And the insults start flying.

Don't you see how ugly you portray yourself when you start insulting kids who are part of your school community?

It makes all your other arguments tainted.

There are quite a few other posters on this thread and you seem to be attributing all comments to one single person. Please realize, a lot of people share the opinion that centers - especially those previously listed - need to go.

I'm not the PP, but surely you can see how angry parents get when one group of kids is given a choice as to where to go to school, but the other kids aren't? It's completely inequitable.

[Anonymous]

Can we all just agree that we hate having AAP Centers?