PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I would say that there has been a major deterioration in education since the implementation of NCLB.

+10000

My kids were in elementary school when the testing started. Sea change. Education became drudgery and homework increased significantly. Less learning, more drilling.

The schools weren't a paradise of effective education before 2001.

http://www2.ed.gov/pubs/NatAtRisk/index.html

[Anonymous]

The schools weren't a paradise of effective education before 2001.

http://www2.ed.gov/pubs/NatAtRisk/index.html

Study from 1983?

[Anonymous]

The schools weren't a paradise of effective education before 2001.

Well, they got worse under NCLB.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The schools weren't a paradise of effective education before 2001.

Well, they got worse under NCLB.

Data, please...

[Anonymous]

The schools weren't a paradise of effective education before 2001.

Data, please . . .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
The schools weren't a paradise of effective education before 2001.



Well, they got worse under NCLB.


Data, please...

If you only use data, you are missing a lot. There's a whole lot that cannot be and is not tested. You cannot quantify the change in teaching styles that the tests have driven. You cannot quantify the impact those changes have had on students being able to learn through their interests. And those are changes that are negative regardless of what the test data shows. Those are changes that people in the schools can clearly see, but those sitting in offices want "data". The people on the ground, in the schools don't matter to them. That is why they are opting out. It's the only way they have to show their dissatisfaction at what has happened.

[Anonymous]

^ High stakes drove those negative changes. Unintended consequences I am sure, but nonetheless they were consequences.

Education cannot be driven by the feds. It is local, pure and simple. It starts at home and builds from there. It cannot be built from the top down. It's a bottom up process. The people up there don't like to hear that, but it's the truth.

[Anonymous]

Basic education principle: start with the known (where the child is) and guide to the unknown (what he needs to learn)

Common Core: decide what a college student needs to know and work backwards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Basic education principle: start with the known (where the child is) and guide to the unknown (what he needs to learn)

Common Core: decide what a college student needs to know and work backwards.

What he needs to learn is actually not unknown.

Also, there is nothing in the Common Core standards that precludes the teacher from starting where the child is. The Common Core standards set out where the child should be, in order to be on grade level. If the child is below grade level, you start where the child is to get the child to grade level (or beyond). If the child is above grade level, you also start where the child is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
^ High stakes drove those negative changes. Unintended consequences I am sure, but nonetheless they were consequences.

Education cannot be driven by the feds. It is local, pure and simple. It starts at home and builds from there. It cannot be built from the top down. It's a bottom up process. The people up there don't like to hear that, but it's the truth.

Does this extend to federal funding? You'd like to get rid of federal funding in education, too?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The schools weren't a paradise of effective education before 2001.



Well, they got worse under NCLB.


Data, please...

If you only use data, you are missing a lot. There's a whole lot that cannot be and is not tested. You cannot quantify the change in teaching styles that the tests have driven. You cannot quantify the impact those changes have had on students being able to learn through their interests. And those are changes that are negative regardless of what the test data shows. Those are changes that people in the schools can clearly see, but those sitting in offices want "data". The people on the ground, in the schools don't matter to them. That is why they are opting out. It's the only way they have to show their dissatisfaction at what has happened.

NCLB did not mandate any changes in teaching styles. Any changes in teaching styles were purely by choice. And it certainly did *not* change how students are able to learn.

Thanks for playing, better luck next time.

[Anonymous]

NCLB did not mandate any changes in teaching styles. Any changes in teaching styles were purely by choice. And it certainly did *not* change how students are able to learn.

Thanks for playing, better luck next time.

No. But, when tests are tied to evaluation (teacher or school), fear sets in. Drill begins.

[Anonymous]

NCLB did not mandate any changes in teaching styles. Any changes in teaching styles were purely by choice. And it certainly did *not* change how students are able to learn.

Thanks for playing, better luck next time.

Suggest you learn about the law of "unintended consequences."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

NCLB did not mandate any changes in teaching styles. Any changes in teaching styles were purely by choice. And it certainly did *not* change how students are able to learn.

Thanks for playing, better luck next time.

Suggest you learn about the law of "unintended consequences."

Suggest you learn about implementation and responsibility. Your approach seems to be "We invented cars; we invented liquor; some people choose to drink and drive and it kills people, therefore we should abolish all cars and all liquor." Your sense of blame and how to react is a bit warped.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

NCLB did not mandate any changes in teaching styles. Any changes in teaching styles were purely by choice. And it certainly did *not* change how students are able to learn.

Thanks for playing, better luck next time.

No. But, when tests are tied to evaluation (teacher or school), fear sets in. Drill begins.

Those are decisions being made entirely at the LOCAL level.