Mayor Bowser to Make Education Policy and Personnel Announcement - Boundary Decision?

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Anonymous wrote:What do people suggest for the overcrowded schools, if not changing boundaries? Actual suggestions.


Feeder rights. Plain and simple. Deal is 31% OOB. Are people ok with that? Even if you're not willing to cut feeder rights the elementaries should cap the OOB enrollment even if it means cutting funding.


So, let me get this straight, are you arguing for eotp feeder rights to Deal, but that otherwise OOB families should not be allowed to go to Deal?


NP. I agree. I do not think its fair for Eaton to lose Deal and Hearst and others have 80% OOB to make Deal, the "overcrowded" school have 30% OOB.


But what is the distinction? These are all eotp families vying for spots at Deal. Why does one group have more of a right? How does the city as a whole divide a scarce resource?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What do people suggest for the overcrowded schools, if not changing boundaries? Actual suggestions.


Feeder rights. Plain and simple. Deal is 31% OOB. Are people ok with that? Even if you're not willing to cut feeder rights the elementaries should cap the OOB enrollment even if it means cutting funding.


So, let me get this straight, are you arguing for eotp feeder rights to Deal, but that otherwise OOB families should not be allowed to go to Deal?


Not PP, but your question is confusing and/or confused. By "EOTP feeder rights", are you referring to

a) people EOTP and IB for Deal but not IB for a Deal feeder (eg Crestwood), or

b) people EOTP and IB for a feeder school to Deal (Bancroft, Shepherd), or

c) people who are OOB at an elementary school that feeds to Deal

If (c), then you should understand that not all of these people live EOTP. Many of them live IB for Hardy.

Anonymous
Bowser took care of her base. As for those people in Ward 3 who are screaming about being pushed out of Deal to lesser-quality Hardy, consider this: Bowser lost Ward 3 big time, so she doesn't give a fu#@ what you think. No extended grandfathering for you.
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jsteele wrote:I don't think anyone has denies that Mayor Bowser has done a favor for her constituents. If you remember, during the DME process Bowser was the Ward 4 Council Member. Crestwood and 16th Street Heights are in Ward 4. Surely you are not suggesting that we should not prevail upon our elected official? The difference between "pandering" and "constituent service" in this case is pretty gray.

To me, the big difference here is that Mayor Bowser's constituents are now a much broader group than just Ward 4. She's mayor now, so she should be representing the interests of the whole city, not just her old Ward 4. It was a great "tweak" for Ward 4, but pretty unhelpful for others.


She's representing Chocolate City.
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Anonymous wrote:And as for the statement underlined, yes, Bowser also believes that the river should not be a boundary, hence the Miller/Eastern decision. I think this stance of the park/river not being a boundary is a respectable one, and shared by others too, including members of the DME committee. It was obvious in their final draft. Some DCUM posters like to argue that the Deal boundary looks gerrymandered, but it's obvious what's behind it: a belief that the city's best by-right middle school should be shared across the park and by a racially and economically diverse set of families.

I have no problem with the idea that the park or river should not be a de facto boundary. But the simple fact is that the boundaries need to change because they're currently drawn too broadly, and result in too many children attending Deal and Wilson. The park is a convenient boundary marker, because it avoids the common problem of people complaining that when two sides of a street are zoned differently. But if it makes you happy to avoid the park as a boundary, then we can set the boundary precisely one block east of the park, and the children of Crestwood (or whatever neighborhood) can be split between two schools. FWIW, I think Bowser is just using this "park is not a boundary" line to justify a favor she wants to give her Ward 4 supporters.

What really offends me about your post though is the casual accusations of racism that you and some others like to level at anyone who disagrees with you. You don't know me, or anything about me besides the fact that I disagree with you on this one issue. And yet you think my disagreement gives you the right to make all sorts of wrong assumptions about me and my views on race and economic diversity. But I live far further east than Crestwood, and my family has no rights to Deal or Wilson, no matter how this turns out. So screw you. Check your damn assumptions.


+1 I agree with this reasoned PP.

The point is more that, in regards to appropriate governance, the mayor of a city should make decisions with the big picture in mind. She should be embarrassed to have her first prominent schools issue be an FAQ about "tweaks".

Crestwood is getting a NEW school built for it and refuses to go there even when it is built --they are the people with the problem, no one else.


There really is no use arguing with people like this. #1 Crestwood has all of 10 kids that enter middle school each year. A new school is NOT being built for them. They are being sent there after a reasonable grace period after this still unicorn status school opens. Let's be real, we all know DC. This 2022 year could very well end up being all of a 1-2 year grace period. #2, are you really talking about the same Deal that IB WOTP kids weren't attending?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:I don't think anyone has denies that Mayor Bowser has done a favor for her constituents. If you remember, during the DME process Bowser was the Ward 4 Council Member. Crestwood and 16th Street Heights are in Ward 4. Surely you are not suggesting that we should not prevail upon our elected official? The difference between "pandering" and "constituent service" in this case is pretty gray.

To me, the big difference here is that Mayor Bowser's constituents are now a much broader group than just Ward 4. She's mayor now, so she should be representing the interests of the whole city, not just her old Ward 4. It was a great "tweak" for Ward 4, but pretty unhelpful for others.


She's representing Chocolate City.


Bullshit. Even Catania said he wasn't going to allow the DME plan go through which means Crestwood and all the OOB kids at Eaton would have stayed at Deal.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Bowser took care of her base. As for those people in Ward 3 who are screaming about being pushed out of Deal to lesser-quality Hardy, consider this: Bowser lost Ward 3 big time, so she doesn't give a fu#@ what you think. No extended grandfathering for you.


Newsflash...7/8 of the city doesn't give a shit about you people. Especially after seeing the way you conduct yourselves on this board.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And as for the statement underlined, yes, Bowser also believes that the river should not be a boundary, hence the Miller/Eastern decision. I think this stance of the park/river not being a boundary is a respectable one, and shared by others too, including members of the DME committee. It was obvious in their final draft. Some DCUM posters like to argue that the Deal boundary looks gerrymandered, but it's obvious what's behind it: a belief that the city's best by-right middle school should be shared across the park and by a racially and economically diverse set of families.

I have no problem with the idea that the park or river should not be a de facto boundary. But the simple fact is that the boundaries need to change because they're currently drawn too broadly, and result in too many children attending Deal and Wilson. The park is a convenient boundary marker, because it avoids the common problem of people complaining that when two sides of a street are zoned differently. But if it makes you happy to avoid the park as a boundary, then we can set the boundary precisely one block east of the park, and the children of Crestwood (or whatever neighborhood) can be split between two schools. FWIW, I think Bowser is just using this "park is not a boundary" line to justify a favor she wants to give her Ward 4 supporters.

What really offends me about your post though is the casual accusations of racism that you and some others like to level at anyone who disagrees with you. You don't know me, or anything about me besides the fact that I disagree with you on this one issue. And yet you think my disagreement gives you the right to make all sorts of wrong assumptions about me and my views on race and economic diversity. But I live far further east than Crestwood, and my family has no rights to Deal or Wilson, no matter how this turns out. So screw you. Check your damn assumptions.


I didn't call you racist. You (or a group of like-minded posters in this thread) keep asking the same question over and over again: how can we reduce crowding at Deal. But it's been answered, on DCUM and in the boundary review process. DME staff stated openly that maintaining diversity at Deal was the main rationale behind the new Deal boundary. Some effort was made to reduce crowding, by removing Eaton, and by removing Crestwood and 16th St Heights (which has been preserved by Bowser but delayed for a number of years). The DME staff also said that their plan would alleviate crowding at Deal. But as you point out, they could have reduced the crowding even more, by eliminating all EOTP areas that were IB for Deal. They declined to do so. We can therefore conclude that for the DME, the reduction of crowding was important, but not so important that it be done at the cost of eliminating diversity at Deal. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? In a city where most of the education options are poor and there is an ugly history of segregation, why wouldn't the city attempt to maximize access to its few success stories, especially for diverse populations?

Look, you are either very, very, very, very concerned about school crowding. Or... you would have liked to see some of these EOTP neighborhoods rezoned to MacFarland in order to help build critical mass at that school. Or... you are just generally upset that some people have access to higher quality schools while others do not.

If the former, there are a couple of things for you to consider. The first is, as I've said, the policy makers don't see crowding as the most important policy issue in DC education. And I think most residents of DC and even most families at Deal agree. Better to have some crowding, if diverse access to quality can be maintained. You are entitled to disagree. Many of us attended high quality but crowded public schools when we were children. Perhaps you attended uncrowded schools. If that's the case, I encourage you to read the research. There is some correlation between class size and outcomes, but I'm not aware of a correlation between school size and outcomes, or building capacity and outcomes (short of fire hazard). It's more of a preference. Some people like small cozy schools, some like large ones with lots of programs. But as long as a decent teacher ratio is maintained (Deal's is 1:24), then the quality is objectively the same. Therefore, from a policy perspective, it is not reasonable to cut off access to a quality school, especially for a diverse population, simply because other people might prefer a smaller school.

If it's either of the latter, then I'm sorry it didn't work out the way you wanted. As Jeff has tried to explain to you, I don't think you would have been successful in forcing people, people who bought or rented IB for Deal and had that expectation, to work on MacFarland with you against their will. But in any event, surely this plan for a revitalized MacFarland gives more reason for optimism than what was there before. Meaning, when you or anyone else bought or rented your houses in years prior to this boundary review, you researched the schools at the time and you decided to go ahead anyway. And now the city is promising you something better than whatever you could reasonably have expected when you bought or rented your houses.
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Anonymous wrote:Crestwood is getting a NEW school built for it and refuses to go there even when it is built --they are the people with the problem, no one else.


I don't think there is anyone in Crestwood who thinks we have a problem. To the contrary, we now have the best of both worlds. Once MacFarland opens, we will have a right to go there. If we prefer to stay at Deal -- over-crowded though it may be -- we also have that option. I expect that there will be residents making both choices though, of course, a lot depends on the reality of MacFarland (something about which we can only speculate at this point).
Anonymous
Well, Eaton families never chose Hardy when they had the choice, so it will be surprising if it works out that way. Let's hope it turns out better!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:I don't think anyone has denies that Mayor Bowser has done a favor for her constituents. If you remember, during the DME process Bowser was the Ward 4 Council Member. Crestwood and 16th Street Heights are in Ward 4. Surely you are not suggesting that we should not prevail upon our elected official? The difference between "pandering" and "constituent service" in this case is pretty gray.

To me, the big difference here is that Mayor Bowser's constituents are now a much broader group than just Ward 4. She's mayor now, so she should be representing the interests of the whole city, not just her old Ward 4. It was a great "tweak" for Ward 4, but pretty unhelpful for others.


Completely agree. Is the council member to ward 4, or mayor to the entire city?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:I don't think anyone has denies that Mayor Bowser has done a favor for her constituents. If you remember, during the DME process Bowser was the Ward 4 Council Member. Crestwood and 16th Street Heights are in Ward 4. Surely you are not suggesting that we should not prevail upon our elected official? The difference between "pandering" and "constituent service" in this case is pretty gray.

To me, the big difference here is that Mayor Bowser's constituents are now a much broader group than just Ward 4. She's mayor now, so she should be representing the interests of the whole city, not just her old Ward 4. It was a great "tweak" for Ward 4, but pretty unhelpful for others.


Completely agree. Is the council member to ward 4, or mayor to the entire city?


It's called a campaign promise. She said shed make tweaks just like Catania did. Her tweets did not just benefit ward 4.
Anonymous
Her tweets, that is a good one.
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*tweaks (auto complete)
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Bowser took care of her base. As for those people in Ward 3 who are screaming about being pushed out of Deal to lesser-quality Hardy, consider this: Bowser lost Ward 3 big time, so she doesn't give a fu#@ what you think. No extended grandfathering for you.


Newsflash...7/8 of the city doesn't give a shit about you people. Especially after seeing the way you conduct yourselves on this board.


Yeah, why not spin off Ward 3 so you don't have to deal with such pesky entitled people? Let the ward join MoCo or something. Oh wait then how would you get spots at basically the only good public schools in the city? And who would pay the bills for all the spending schemes and no-show jobs program otherwise known as the DC government?
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