What an Ivy league education gets you - the Atlantic

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Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt Ivy League degrees help people get MBB and similar jobs. We all know who those "prestigious firms" hire and why.

The notion though that Ivy League schools actually confer abilities that other environments cannot, however, is pure conjecture. In my workplace being competitive is not a desirable trait.

I don’t understand that comment.

Literally all the people at the top of their area are competitive. Professors, medical labs/researchers, doctors, musicians, actors, NPO founders…literally everything …you read or watch interviews and they talk about their competitive drive.

Saying literally multiple times doesn’t make your opinion literally true. Just FYI.

Except it’s not an opinion dipshit. There is no line of work or career or workplace that doesn’t value competitiveness.

Off the top of my head, healthcare workers, research scientists, and teachers are jobs that don't value competitiveness.

This is nuts…a relative is a top research scientist and one of the most competitive people you will ever meet. Tops in her field and she knows how hard it is to get research dollars…has zero problem ousting junior researchers who can’t “cut it” because hustling and competing for grants is a tough business. It’s a problem because junior researchers don’t really understand the career path they have chosen many times.

That's not competitiveness. That's just being bad at your job and choosing the wrong career path. I wouldn't consider hustling for grants to fall under the definition of "competitiveness" that the PP was referring to, either.

DCUM really is dumber than I thought.

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Anonymous wrote:There are a bunch of new ivies including Emory, Vandy, Rice. They can simulate a similar environment.

Ha, nope. Look at parchment match ups, while those are great schools, they are full of kids who didn't get into an Ivy and would have picked it if they had.

We did
Emory vs Dartmouth
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Emory+University&with=Dartmouth+


Rice vs Cornell
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Rice+University&with=Cornell+

Vanderbilt vs Cornell
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Vanderbilt+University&with=Cornell+University

Parchment isn't 100% reliable nor representative of all of the students who had these choices. Nobody is picking Emory over Cornell.

At the very least…only the Parchment numbers that are colored red and green are even relevant…anything grey scale doesn’t have enough data to produce a result.

No thats not true at all. The numbers are too close together for there to be green and red. How would you color coded 50/50?
If parchment doesnt have enough data for two schools it looks like this...
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Emory+University&with=Swarthmore+

There is no detail available on how well Parchment's client high schools represent the pool of high schools with applicants to any particular university. Regardless of (unrevealed) sample sizes they have. They may also be aggregating data across admission years. A skew towards Southern private high schools would easily result in the Emory & Rice vs. Cornell statistics.

The cleanest data would reside at the universities themselves. They can buy anonymized data from College Board to supplement what they don't get from applicants. But of course they don't share.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt Ivy League degrees help people get MBB and similar jobs. We all know who those "prestigious firms" hire and why.

The notion though that Ivy League schools actually confer abilities that other environments cannot, however, is pure conjecture. In my workplace being competitive is not a desirable trait.

I don’t understand that comment.

Literally all the people at the top of their area are competitive. Professors, medical labs/researchers, doctors, musicians, actors, NPO founders…literally everything …you read or watch interviews and they talk about their competitive drive.

None of those fields are well suited to work life balance especially with young kids

Well “literally everything” means everything else as well. I don’t know any field where being competitive is undesirable.

What does this discussion have to do with work life balance?

In my definition of success and what I want for my kid work life balance is absolutely critical..so much of this thread and how it describes thr "opportunities" that an Ivy League degree gives you make me just think "but why would I want that?"

Again, I don’t understand. What jobs are you describing that provide work/life balance? I assume an Ivy grad could decide to work such a job if they wanted.

I also bet at the exact same job that you think has great work/life balance, there are higher ups who are driven and competitive and want more.

Like a great example is say becoming an actuary…you can decide to go work for an insurance company and never manage people and top out at a nice/decent living…but there will be others that want to manage people and maybe run the insurance company some day.

DP here. Are YOU an Ivy grad? Because you can’t even follow a simple conversation. I really don’t see you functioning at any of these higher, more competitive levels you keep yammering about.

You can’t even remotely follow the thread. Why do dipshits keep chiming in here? Maybe capitalize more words, because using all caps is always an sign of higher mental faculty.

Wow! Captain of the debate team right here, folks!

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Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt Ivy League degrees help people get MBB and similar jobs. We all know who those "prestigious firms" hire and why.

The notion though that Ivy League schools actually confer abilities that other environments cannot, however, is pure conjecture. In my workplace being competitive is not a desirable trait.

I don’t understand that comment.

Literally all the people at the top of their area are competitive. Professors, medical labs/researchers, doctors, musicians, actors, NPO founders…literally everything …you read or watch interviews and they talk about their competitive drive.

Saying literally multiple times doesn’t make your opinion literally true. Just FYI.

Except it’s not an opinion dipshit. There is no line of work or career or workplace that doesn’t value competitiveness.

Prove it, cite your source(s). We’ll wait.

So, you want a source on a fundamental tenet of how the world works? That’s honestly what you are asking?

I want evidence that your assertion is a fundamental tenet of how the world works and not just like, your opinion, man.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt Ivy League degrees help people get MBB and similar jobs. We all know who those "prestigious firms" hire and why.

The notion though that Ivy League schools actually confer abilities that other environments cannot, however, is pure conjecture. In my workplace being competitive is not a desirable trait.

I don’t understand that comment.

Literally all the people at the top of their area are competitive. Professors, medical labs/researchers, doctors, musicians, actors, NPO founders…literally everything …you read or watch interviews and they talk about their competitive drive.

Saying literally multiple times doesn’t make your opinion literally true. Just FYI.

Except it’s not an opinion dipshit. There is no line of work or career or workplace that doesn’t value competitiveness.

Off the top of my head, healthcare workers, research scientists, and teachers are jobs that don't value competitiveness.

This is nuts…a relative is a top research scientist and one of the most competitive people you will ever meet. Tops in her field and she knows how hard it is to get research dollars…has zero problem ousting junior researchers who can’t “cut it” because hustling and competing for grants is a tough business. It’s a problem because junior researchers don’t really understand the career path they have chosen many times.

That's not competitiveness. That's just being bad at your job and choosing the wrong career path. I wouldn't consider hustling for grants to fall under the definition of "competitiveness" that the PP was referring to, either.

DCUM really is dumber than I thought.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt Ivy League degrees help people get MBB and similar jobs. We all know who those "prestigious firms" hire and why.

The notion though that Ivy League schools actually confer abilities that other environments cannot, however, is pure conjecture. In my workplace being competitive is not a desirable trait.

I don’t understand that comment.

Literally all the people at the top of their area are competitive. Professors, medical labs/researchers, doctors, musicians, actors, NPO founders…literally everything …you read or watch interviews and they talk about their competitive drive.

Saying literally multiple times doesn’t make your opinion literally true. Just FYI.

Except it’s not an opinion dipshit. There is no line of work or career or workplace that doesn’t value competitiveness.

Off the top of my head, healthcare workers, research scientists, and teachers are jobs that don't value competitiveness.

This is nuts…a relative is a top research scientist and one of the most competitive people you will ever meet. Tops in her field and she knows how hard it is to get research dollars…has zero problem ousting junior researchers who can’t “cut it” because hustling and competing for grants is a tough business. It’s a problem because junior researchers don’t really understand the career path they have chosen many times.

That's not competitiveness. That's just being bad at your job and choosing the wrong career path. I wouldn't consider hustling for grants to fall under the definition of "competitiveness" that the PP was referring to, either.

DCUM really is dumber than I thought.

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I'm the first PP here (not the one who named research scientists as being a not competitive field). Academia absolutely values competitiveness. Many people go into it thinking it will not be, but it absolutely is..it is a horrible, exploitative sector and not one I'd want my kid to go into. There are private sector jobs that are better for research scientists depending on their interests.

Not going to name my field as it is too specific. But it requires humility and being able to relate to and communicate with lots of different types of people.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt Ivy League degrees help people get MBB and similar jobs. We all know who those "prestigious firms" hire and why.

The notion though that Ivy League schools actually confer abilities that other environments cannot, however, is pure conjecture. In my workplace being competitive is not a desirable trait.

You’re grasping to understand things you don’t quite comprehend. What the top schools teach you culturally is how to co-exist with highly accomplished peers, not to be overtly competitive in professional settings. The competitive strivers are those who bubbled up from second and third-tier schools and go through life with a big chip on their shoulders constantly having to prove themselves.

The ivy leaguers I have worked with did not learn that lesson at all lol

They knew how to size you up while meanwhile you spent most of your time resenting them.

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This thread has so many teenagers on it.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has so many teenagers on it.

Doubt it. Teenagers would be much smarter. It’s the dumb shms.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt Ivy League degrees help people get MBB and similar jobs. We all know who those "prestigious firms" hire and why.

The notion though that Ivy League schools actually confer abilities that other environments cannot, however, is pure conjecture. In my workplace being competitive is not a desirable trait.

You’re grasping to understand things you don’t quite comprehend. What the top schools teach you culturally is how to co-exist with highly accomplished peers, not to be overtly competitive in professional settings. The competitive strivers are those who bubbled up from second and third-tier schools and go through life with a big chip on their shoulders constantly having to prove themselves.

The ivy leaguers I have worked with did not learn that lesson at all lol

They knew how to size you up while meanwhile you spent most of your time resenting them.

Lol
One of them I stopped from being hired after an internship because of how incompetent and rude she was
One of them is a colleague who is widely disliked and multiple people refuse to work with him
One of them was promoted into a leadership position, treated everyone horribly until leadership was convinced to fire them

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In summary a couple of Harvard alumni did a study finding that Ivy League alums are overrepresented in jobs that almost exclusively recruit from Ivy League schools and are able to succeed in an environment that is populated disproportionately by people just like them. And these two alumni conclude that this success comes from Ivy League grads being better than everyone else. Lol... totally tracks

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Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt Ivy League degrees help people get MBB and similar jobs. We all know who those "prestigious firms" hire and why.

The notion though that Ivy League schools actually confer abilities that other environments cannot, however, is pure conjecture. In my workplace being competitive is not a desirable trait.

I don’t understand that comment.

Literally all the people at the top of their area are competitive. Professors, medical labs/researchers, doctors, musicians, actors, NPO founders…literally everything …you read or watch interviews and they talk about their competitive drive.

Saying literally multiple times doesn’t make your opinion literally true. Just FYI.

Except it’s not an opinion dipshit. There is no line of work or career or workplace that doesn’t value competitiveness.

Off the top of my head, healthcare workers, research scientists, and teachers are jobs that don't value competitiveness.

Mwahahahaha!

Ever gotten a grant?

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Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt Ivy League degrees help people get MBB and similar jobs. We all know who those "prestigious firms" hire and why.

The notion though that Ivy League schools actually confer abilities that other environments cannot, however, is pure conjecture. In my workplace being competitive is not a desirable trait.

I don’t understand that comment.

Literally all the people at the top of their area are competitive. Professors, medical labs/researchers, doctors, musicians, actors, NPO founders…literally everything …you read or watch interviews and they talk about their competitive drive.

Saying literally multiple times doesn’t make your opinion literally true. Just FYI.

Except it’s not an opinion dipshit. There is no line of work or career or workplace that doesn’t value competitiveness.

Off the top of my head, healthcare workers, research scientists, and teachers are jobs that don't value competitiveness.

Mwahahahaha!

Ever gotten a grant?

DP, research scientist- Yes, I get grants by establishing and maintaining long term, affable, mutually beneficial relationships with the folks who control the purse strings.

Have you ever gotten a grant? Or more to the point, have you ever gotten a second grant?

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Anonymous wrote:In summary a couple of Harvard alumni did a study finding that Ivy League alums are overrepresented in jobs that almost exclusively recruit from Ivy League schools and are able to succeed in an environment that is populated disproportionately by people just like them. And these two alumni conclude that this success comes from Ivy League grads being better than everyone else. Lol... totally tracks

Pretty solid summary which needs just one more clarification.

They also limited the schools in the study, excluding the other small group of schools which are overrepresented in those jobs ensuring that the results showed a boost only for their target group. Very high quality work.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt Ivy League degrees help people get MBB and similar jobs. We all know who those "prestigious firms" hire and why.

The notion though that Ivy League schools actually confer abilities that other environments cannot, however, is pure conjecture. In my workplace being competitive is not a desirable trait.

I don’t understand that comment.

Literally all the people at the top of their area are competitive. Professors, medical labs/researchers, doctors, musicians, actors, NPO founders…literally everything …you read or watch interviews and they talk about their competitive drive.

Saying literally multiple times doesn’t make your opinion literally true. Just FYI.

Except it’s not an opinion dipshit. There is no line of work or career or workplace that doesn’t value competitiveness.

Off the top of my head, healthcare workers, research scientists, and teachers are jobs that don't value competitiveness.

Mwahahahaha!

Ever gotten a grant?

DP, research scientist- Yes, I get grants by establishing and maintaining long term, affable, mutually beneficial relationships with the folks who control the purse strings.

Have you ever gotten a grant? Or more to the point, have you ever gotten a second grant?

You are elbowing out others by brown nosing, but you are still elbowing them out.