Anonymous wrote:What's next? A hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli is what's next.
Give it a rest already. UVA will be just fine.
DP. I agree they’ll be fine. But a hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli would really leave an unfortunate marr on the school. Problem is, who on earth would want that job now? What serious candidate would risk their career to come in now?
A candidate who values academic excellence above all else.
Yes. Intelligence and ability will likely become the exclusive criteria by which applicants for admission are evaluated, instead of social class, skin color, ethnicity, or other arguably irrelevant-to-academic-capacity criteria. In consequence, graduates will be perceived as having obtained their degrees thanks exclusively to demonstrated intellectual accomplishment. Employers and graduate schools won't have to wonder about the extent to which non-academic factors contributed to the obtaining of a degree, and can instead rely on the degree to mean something about what a person has done, not what they are by happenstance.
I hope whatever admission criteria and quotas they come up with are clearly stated. If it is 2/3 Virginians, state it. If it is 10 percent of first generation college state it. 4.2 GPA, 1450 SAT. Whatever it is just state so we know what we are dealing with. Enough with the “holistic” admissions which is just a way for college bureaucrats to push their hidden agendas. UVA is not Harvard, it is financed by Virginia taxpayers. We have the right to know exactly how our kids admitted to UVA or any other VA college.
But it varies from year to year. Also, there are tons of factors that have nothing to do with race or income, for example majors, filling athletic and marching band slots, having a balance of humanities and stem students, taking into account extraordinary achievements (i.e. the kid’s GPA or test scores may not be as high but they created a legit app that people have heard of —not a parent funded joke— or they have been central to lobbying for passage of a law or something like that). They want to see initiative and leadership and those things may not come out in GPA/scores and are a little more of something they know when they see. I don’t disagree that there are kids with fake non-profits, etc but going only by GPA/scores, etc is not a magic pill. It only encourages more cheating in those areas. Personally, I think essays should be proctored as part of the standardized tests (but not graded, just sent in). Then they would get more authentic essays.
There are many ways to go about. For example, you can say that a certain percentage of students will be admitted based exclusively on GPA/SAT/class rank and each year disclose what the cutoff was. You can say that some other smaller percentage who didn’t make the cutoff will be hand picked based on their extracurriculars, teacher recs, etc. And some other percentage will be added to increase social or racial diversity. As long as Virginians agree with those criteria and percentages.
Isn’t that… essentially how they do it now? (Minus divulging the exact percentages.)
Apparently not, or we wouldn’t hear each year from parents of extremely high stats kids who got waitlisted by UVA. Anyway, the keyword is divulge, which they are not doing.
So you’re saying kids with above a certain threshold should be automatic admits?
No, that is not what I am saying. I am saying that admission criteria to VA colleges should be clearly stated, objectively verifiable, and voted for by Virginia taxpayers.
This Virginia taxpayer doesn’t want that and knows it would never work anyway.
Speak for yourself
You might not realize that they lay out their process. It's pretty dry, which is why people probably don't read it. They also fill out the Common Data Set chart.
For our first-year application review we divide the regions into several groups:
Virginians (subdivided by high school or region of the state)
Non-Virginians who attend high school in the US, and
International applicants and US citizens/Permanent Residents who live abroad.
Students from these groups are in separate and distinct application pools therefore they are not competing directly with one another for a space in the class. Similarly, students applying to different UVA schools (Arts & Sciences, Engineering, Architecture, Nursing, Education, etc.) are not in the same application pool and are not competing with one another.
Each year we seek to enroll a balance of Virginians and non-Virginians. Most years that balance is approximately 70% Virginian overall. International students are included in the non-Virginian applicant pool and make up approximately 5-6% of the incoming first year students. There are ~3,970 new first year students each fall and ~600 fall transfers. The University also enrolls a small (60-70 students) cohort of transfers in the spring term.
First year students can apply using our Early Decision, Early Action, or Regular Decision plan. Admission rates vary each year but there is no advantage applying to one plan over the other. We offer the exact same financial aid award, regardless of the admission plan. For context, approximately 10% of the total number of offers of admission are made in our Early Decision round.
We seek to enroll students and classes that are in-line with our institutional mission and values. Our students bring with them different opinions, beliefs, backgrounds, life experiences, and political leanings. They come from every corner of the state and globe, and many are the first in their families to attend college.
Race is not a factor in admission decisions. Neither is a student's family history with UVA. We do not have check boxes for race or UVA family affiliation on our application or on our application review form used by readers. At no point during our review does anyone involved in reading applications have access to reports or collective class data that includes race, ethnicity, or family tie to UVA. However, a student's life experience - which can include race/ethnicity, first generation student status, gender, neighborhood, etc. - can be included and we invite students to share any information they feel would help us get to know them on their Common Application.
Admission rates vary depending upon the school and year and are largely driven by application volume. The majority of applicants are capable of being successful students at UVA and we cannot offer admission to every qualified applicant. We are eager to help students find a pathway to UVA through our first-year review or transfer process and we are happy to assist students and families as they make their college decisions.
Students who are academically successful, capable and/or have the potential to contribute to our vibrant intellectual community at UVA
Successful applicants are students who have done well academically within the context of their high school or college setting, based on their coursework and grades. While taking into consideration what is offered and recommended within a student's school, we are interested in applicants who embrace academic challenges across the curriculum, and who are successful within the classroom space.
We are looking for students who love to learn, solve problems, and are actively engaged with peers in the classroom. These students might have a breadth of academic interests, or they might be more singularly focused on one area of study in college. Most first year applicants are unsure of their intended major or college course of study when they apply, and that is fine. A student's academic focus is only a factor when it applies to their choice of undergraduate school at UVA. First year applicants applying to the College of Arts and Sciences, and Schools of Architecture, Education (Kinesiology), Engineering, and Nursing are reviewed by separate admission teams. The same is true for transfer students who are also able to apply to the Batten School of Public Policy and Leadership and the School of Commerce as well as our Teaching, Youth and Social Innovation, and Speech Communication Disorders programs in the School of Education.
We welcome first year applications from, and offer admission to, students who have grown and evolved as students and young adults while in high school. Applicants do not have to present a perfect academic transcript with all A's and double-digit AP courses to be competitive to UVA as a first-year student, but we do look for applicants who have the ability to contribute to the academic life of the University.
We do not use an algorithm or formula when making admission decisions and we do not have thresholds for GPA's, test scores, or the number of AP, IB, dual enrollment, or Cambridge courses a student must take to be eligible for admission. Each applicant is unique and is reviewed within the context of their unique backgrounds, experiences, opportunities, and challenges. Applicants are encouraged to share these stories and this context, and how they have been shaped by them, in their applications.
Students with potential to live lives of purpose, impact, and service to others
Understanding that students have different opportunities based on their background, school, and community, we look for students who have the potential to make a difference in their community, in the UVA community, and in the world. UVA will support students to help them reach that potential.
We seek students who engage in impactful activities and experiences within their schools and communities, and we are especially interested in how these activities and experiences have shaped their character, skills, and knowledge. These activities need not be high school sponsored organizations or events, nor do they need to consume a student's life. We do not count the number of clubs or teams a student has been involved with during high school in order to predict their level of involvement in these, or other, organizations at UVA. We simply invite students, and those who recommend them, to share information with us that will help us to get to know the applicant as an active member of their family, high school, town, or community.
We are deeply interested in students who show kindness, care, and compassion to others and demonstrate character and integrity in all they do.
We are interested in students who directly or indirectly lead others, or who have the potential to lead, ethically and collaboratively. Students might demonstrate leadership in a variety of ways: leading school or community-based organizations, leading in their home or work, leading in the classroom, or leading by example through their character, work ethic, and an ability to build bridges.
Students who demonstrate a determination to succeed
Some students may have overcome significant challenges or shown unusual resilience in their pursuit of success. They may have succeeded in spite of limited opportunities, advantages or expectations. They may show an unusual determination in their studies, extending beyond the classroom space with their pursuit of knowledge. We encourage students to share with us any information that they feel would help us better get to know them, academically or personally.
Consistent with federal and state law, the University of Virginia does not consider a student’s racial or ethnic status, or the student’s status as the relative of a UVA graduate or a donor to UVA, when making admission decisions. Although students are free to discuss any aspects of their individual experiences in their applications, any such discussion of racial, ethnic, or relationship status will only be considered if it is tied to the student’s unique ability to contribute to the University.
Anonymous wrote:What's next? A hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli is what's next.
Give it a rest already. UVA will be just fine.
DP. I agree they’ll be fine. But a hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli would really leave an unfortunate marr on the school. Problem is, who on earth would want that job now? What serious candidate would risk their career to come in now?
A candidate who values academic excellence above all else.
Yes. Intelligence and ability will likely become the exclusive criteria by which applicants for admission are evaluated, instead of social class, skin color, ethnicity, or other arguably irrelevant-to-academic-capacity criteria. In consequence, graduates will be perceived as having obtained their degrees thanks exclusively to demonstrated intellectual accomplishment. Employers and graduate schools won't have to wonder about the extent to which non-academic factors contributed to the obtaining of a degree, and can instead rely on the degree to mean something about what a person has done, not what they are by happenstance.
I hope whatever admission criteria and quotas they come up with are clearly stated. If it is 2/3 Virginians, state it. If it is 10 percent of first generation college state it. 4.2 GPA, 1450 SAT. Whatever it is just state so we know what we are dealing with. Enough with the “holistic” admissions which is just a way for college bureaucrats to push their hidden agendas. UVA is not Harvard, it is financed by Virginia taxpayers. We have the right to know exactly how our kids admitted to UVA or any other VA college.
But it varies from year to year. Also, there are tons of factors that have nothing to do with race or income, for example majors, filling athletic and marching band slots, having a balance of humanities and stem students, taking into account extraordinary achievements (i.e. the kid’s GPA or test scores may not be as high but they created a legit app that people have heard of —not a parent funded joke— or they have been central to lobbying for passage of a law or something like that). They want to see initiative and leadership and those things may not come out in GPA/scores and are a little more of something they know when they see. I don’t disagree that there are kids with fake non-profits, etc but going only by GPA/scores, etc is not a magic pill. It only encourages more cheating in those areas. Personally, I think essays should be proctored as part of the standardized tests (but not graded, just sent in). Then they would get more authentic essays.
There are many ways to go about. For example, you can say that a certain percentage of students will be admitted based exclusively on GPA/SAT/class rank and each year disclose what the cutoff was. You can say that some other smaller percentage who didn’t make the cutoff will be hand picked based on their extracurriculars, teacher recs, etc. And some other percentage will be added to increase social or racial diversity. As long as Virginians agree with those criteria and percentages.
Isn’t that… essentially how they do it now? (Minus divulging the exact percentages.)
Apparently not, or we wouldn’t hear each year from parents of extremely high stats kids who got waitlisted by UVA. Anyway, the keyword is divulge, which they are not doing.
So you’re saying kids with above a certain threshold should be automatic admits?
No, that is not what I am saying. I am saying that admission criteria to VA colleges should be clearly stated, objectively verifiable, and voted for by Virginia taxpayers.
Good grief. And by the way, VA public colleges are pretty transparent unlike the vast majority of privates.
Anonymous wrote:What's next? A hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli is what's next.
Give it a rest already. UVA will be just fine.
DP. I agree they’ll be fine. But a hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli would really leave an unfortunate marr on the school. Problem is, who on earth would want that job now? What serious candidate would risk their career to come in now?
A candidate who values academic excellence above all else.
Yes. Intelligence and ability will likely become the exclusive criteria by which applicants for admission are evaluated, instead of social class, skin color, ethnicity, or other arguably irrelevant-to-academic-capacity criteria. In consequence, graduates will be perceived as having obtained their degrees thanks exclusively to demonstrated intellectual accomplishment. Employers and graduate schools won't have to wonder about the extent to which non-academic factors contributed to the obtaining of a degree, and can instead rely on the degree to mean something about what a person has done, not what they are by happenstance.
I hope whatever admission criteria and quotas they come up with are clearly stated. If it is 2/3 Virginians, state it. If it is 10 percent of first generation college state it. 4.2 GPA, 1450 SAT. Whatever it is just state so we know what we are dealing with. Enough with the “holistic” admissions which is just a way for college bureaucrats to push their hidden agendas. UVA is not Harvard, it is financed by Virginia taxpayers. We have the right to know exactly how our kids admitted to UVA or any other VA college.
But it varies from year to year. Also, there are tons of factors that have nothing to do with race or income, for example majors, filling athletic and marching band slots, having a balance of humanities and stem students, taking into account extraordinary achievements (i.e. the kid’s GPA or test scores may not be as high but they created a legit app that people have heard of —not a parent funded joke— or they have been central to lobbying for passage of a law or something like that). They want to see initiative and leadership and those things may not come out in GPA/scores and are a little more of something they know when they see. I don’t disagree that there are kids with fake non-profits, etc but going only by GPA/scores, etc is not a magic pill. It only encourages more cheating in those areas. Personally, I think essays should be proctored as part of the standardized tests (but not graded, just sent in). Then they would get more authentic essays.
There are many ways to go about. For example, you can say that a certain percentage of students will be admitted based exclusively on GPA/SAT/class rank and each year disclose what the cutoff was. You can say that some other smaller percentage who didn’t make the cutoff will be hand picked based on their extracurriculars, teacher recs, etc. And some other percentage will be added to increase social or racial diversity. As long as Virginians agree with those criteria and percentages.
Isn’t that… essentially how they do it now? (Minus divulging the exact percentages.)
Apparently not, or we wouldn’t hear each year from parents of extremely high stats kids who got waitlisted by UVA. Anyway, the keyword is divulge, which they are not doing.
So you’re saying kids with above a certain threshold should be automatic admits?
No, that is not what I am saying. I am saying that admission criteria to VA colleges should be clearly stated, objectively verifiable, and voted for by Virginia taxpayers.
Are you aware how little taxes public universities receive? It’s a rounding error given UVA’s budget.
But let’s pretend it actually matters for the sake of debunking your logic. Do you also feel entitled to the highway design process and demand to know exactly how VDOT operates? Does every state government agency owe you compete records? I’m other words, if an organization accepts a dime per of taxpayer money, they have no right to privacy, autonomy, and you are entitled to the inner workings?
If Virginia highways were not maintained adequately in my area I would like to know why.
Do you drive around other parts of Virginia and get mad when they have well-maintained roads? Who do they think they are? Only the wealthy kids in NoVa should have nice roads.
That poster reminds me of those idiots that the old series Parks and Rec made fun of. They probably try to bully their local library and schools too. The entitlement is unhinged. I’m sure their kid is doing fine at JMU.
You people need to get a life and accept that there is no grand conspiracy at UVA to deny admissions to your privileged children. In fact they spell it right out:
“The majority of applicants are capable of being successful students at UVA and we cannot offer admission to every qualified applicant. We are eager to help students find a pathway to UVA through our first-year review or transfer process and we are happy to assist students and families as they make their college decisions.”
That is the reality of it. And replacing Ryan isn’t going to change anything and for the 50th time isn’t why they ousted him in the first place.
Anonymous wrote:You people need to get a life and accept that there is no grand conspiracy at UVA to deny admissions to your privileged children. In fact they spell it right out:
“The majority of applicants are capable of being successful students at UVA and we cannot offer admission to every qualified applicant. We are eager to help students find a pathway to UVA through our first-year review or transfer process and we are happy to assist students and families as they make their college decisions.”
That is the reality of it. And replacing Ryan isn’t going to change anything and for the 50th time isn’t why they ousted him in the first place.
Anonymous wrote:What's next? A hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli is what's next.
Give it a rest already. UVA will be just fine.
DP. I agree they’ll be fine. But a hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli would really leave an unfortunate marr on the school. Problem is, who on earth would want that job now? What serious candidate would risk their career to come in now?
A candidate who values academic excellence above all else.
Yes. Intelligence and ability will likely become the exclusive criteria by which applicants for admission are evaluated, instead of social class, skin color, ethnicity, or other arguably irrelevant-to-academic-capacity criteria. In consequence, graduates will be perceived as having obtained their degrees thanks exclusively to demonstrated intellectual accomplishment. Employers and graduate schools won't have to wonder about the extent to which non-academic factors contributed to the obtaining of a degree, and can instead rely on the degree to mean something about what a person has done, not what they are by happenstance.
I hope whatever admission criteria and quotas they come up with are clearly stated. If it is 2/3 Virginians, state it. If it is 10 percent of first generation college state it. 4.2 GPA, 1450 SAT. Whatever it is just state so we know what we are dealing with. Enough with the “holistic” admissions which is just a way for college bureaucrats to push their hidden agendas. UVA is not Harvard, it is financed by Virginia taxpayers. We have the right to know exactly how our kids admitted to UVA or any other VA college.
But it varies from year to year. Also, there are tons of factors that have nothing to do with race or income, for example majors, filling athletic and marching band slots, having a balance of humanities and stem students, taking into account extraordinary achievements (i.e. the kid’s GPA or test scores may not be as high but they created a legit app that people have heard of —not a parent funded joke— or they have been central to lobbying for passage of a law or something like that). They want to see initiative and leadership and those things may not come out in GPA/scores and are a little more of something they know when they see. I don’t disagree that there are kids with fake non-profits, etc but going only by GPA/scores, etc is not a magic pill. It only encourages more cheating in those areas. Personally, I think essays should be proctored as part of the standardized tests (but not graded, just sent in). Then they would get more authentic essays.
There are many ways to go about. For example, you can say that a certain percentage of students will be admitted based exclusively on GPA/SAT/class rank and each year disclose what the cutoff was. You can say that some other smaller percentage who didn’t make the cutoff will be hand picked based on their extracurriculars, teacher recs, etc. And some other percentage will be added to increase social or racial diversity. As long as Virginians agree with those criteria and percentages.
Isn’t that… essentially how they do it now? (Minus divulging the exact percentages.)
Apparently not, or we wouldn’t hear each year from parents of extremely high stats kids who got waitlisted by UVA. Anyway, the keyword is divulge, which they are not doing.
So you’re saying kids with above a certain threshold should be automatic admits?
No, that is not what I am saying. I am saying that admission criteria to VA colleges should be clearly stated, objectively verifiable, and voted for by Virginia taxpayers.
Are you aware how little taxes public universities receive? It’s a rounding error given UVA’s budget.
But let’s pretend it actually matters for the sake of debunking your logic. Do you also feel entitled to the highway design process and demand to know exactly how VDOT operates? Does every state government agency owe you compete records? I’m other words, if an organization accepts a dime per of taxpayer money, they have no right to privacy, autonomy, and you are entitled to the inner workings?
If Virginia highways were not maintained adequately in my area I would like to know why.
Do you drive around other parts of Virginia and get mad when they have well-maintained roads? Who do they think they are? Only the wealthy kids in NoVa should have nice roads.
That poster reminds me of those idiots that the old series Parks and Rec made fun of. They probably try to bully their local library and schools too. The entitlement is unhinged. I’m sure their kid is doing fine at JMU.
Anonymous wrote:What's next? A hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli is what's next.
Give it a rest already. UVA will be just fine.
DP. I agree they’ll be fine. But a hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli would really leave an unfortunate marr on the school. Problem is, who on earth would want that job now? What serious candidate would risk their career to come in now?
A candidate who values academic excellence above all else.
Yes. Intelligence and ability will likely become the exclusive criteria by which applicants for admission are evaluated, instead of social class, skin color, ethnicity, or other arguably irrelevant-to-academic-capacity criteria. In consequence, graduates will be perceived as having obtained their degrees thanks exclusively to demonstrated intellectual accomplishment. Employers and graduate schools won't have to wonder about the extent to which non-academic factors contributed to the obtaining of a degree, and can instead rely on the degree to mean something about what a person has done, not what they are by happenstance.
I hope whatever admission criteria and quotas they come up with are clearly stated. If it is 2/3 Virginians, state it. If it is 10 percent of first generation college state it. 4.2 GPA, 1450 SAT. Whatever it is just state so we know what we are dealing with. Enough with the “holistic” admissions which is just a way for college bureaucrats to push their hidden agendas. UVA is not Harvard, it is financed by Virginia taxpayers. We have the right to know exactly how our kids admitted to UVA or any other VA college.
But it varies from year to year. Also, there are tons of factors that have nothing to do with race or income, for example majors, filling athletic and marching band slots, having a balance of humanities and stem students, taking into account extraordinary achievements (i.e. the kid’s GPA or test scores may not be as high but they created a legit app that people have heard of —not a parent funded joke— or they have been central to lobbying for passage of a law or something like that). They want to see initiative and leadership and those things may not come out in GPA/scores and are a little more of something they know when they see. I don’t disagree that there are kids with fake non-profits, etc but going only by GPA/scores, etc is not a magic pill. It only encourages more cheating in those areas. Personally, I think essays should be proctored as part of the standardized tests (but not graded, just sent in). Then they would get more authentic essays.
I can't imagine the logistics for something like this. How would it work?
They used to have writing on the SAT and ACT. It’s just a section of the test. They would have a prompt and the kid would free write. I would get sent to colleges the same way scores are sent. It was not a big deal. My older kid did the writing SAT. The controversy was the grading, which folks felt was unfair, I guess (my kid’s seemed fine). I don’t think you need grading, just a chance for the colleges to see how the kid actually writes without AI, coaching or parent/teacher/coach edits.
They could still have essays in Common app or supplement tal if they wanted but maybe they would choose not to.
Anonymous wrote:What's next? A hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli is what's next.
Give it a rest already. UVA will be just fine.
DP. I agree they’ll be fine. But a hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli would really leave an unfortunate marr on the school. Problem is, who on earth would want that job now? What serious candidate would risk their career to come in now?
A candidate who values academic excellence above all else.
Yes. Intelligence and ability will likely become the exclusive criteria by which applicants for admission are evaluated, instead of social class, skin color, ethnicity, or other arguably irrelevant-to-academic-capacity criteria. In consequence, graduates will be perceived as having obtained their degrees thanks exclusively to demonstrated intellectual accomplishment. Employers and graduate schools won't have to wonder about the extent to which non-academic factors contributed to the obtaining of a degree, and can instead rely on the degree to mean something about what a person has done, not what they are by happenstance.
I hope whatever admission criteria and quotas they come up with are clearly stated. If it is 2/3 Virginians, state it. If it is 10 percent of first generation college state it. 4.2 GPA, 1450 SAT. Whatever it is just state so we know what we are dealing with. Enough with the “holistic” admissions which is just a way for college bureaucrats to push their hidden agendas. UVA is not Harvard, it is financed by Virginia taxpayers. We have the right to know exactly how our kids admitted to UVA or any other VA college.
But it varies from year to year. Also, there are tons of factors that have nothing to do with race or income, for example majors, filling athletic and marching band slots, having a balance of humanities and stem students, taking into account extraordinary achievements (i.e. the kid’s GPA or test scores may not be as high but they created a legit app that people have heard of —not a parent funded joke— or they have been central to lobbying for passage of a law or something like that). They want to see initiative and leadership and those things may not come out in GPA/scores and are a little more of something they know when they see. I don’t disagree that there are kids with fake non-profits, etc but going only by GPA/scores, etc is not a magic pill. It only encourages more cheating in those areas. Personally, I think essays should be proctored as part of the standardized tests (but not graded, just sent in). Then they would get more authentic essays.
There are many ways to go about. For example, you can say that a certain percentage of students will be admitted based exclusively on GPA/SAT/class rank and each year disclose what the cutoff was. You can say that some other smaller percentage who didn’t make the cutoff will be hand picked based on their extracurriculars, teacher recs, etc. And some other percentage will be added to increase social or racial diversity. As long as Virginians agree with those criteria and percentages.
Explain how this would actually work, though. UW GPA, regardless of what classes you took? You can game GPA and therefore rank.
I can imagine high schools inflating grades just to boast about how many of their grads got into UVA. “You get an A, your get an A, you all get As!”
Anonymous wrote:Virginia decided long ago that it's best universities would mainly be supported by private money and grant money, and be given very few tax dollars.
They are not equivalent to highways, because Virginia tax dollars actually pay for the highways. Very few tax dollars go into UVA and W&M, so few that that taxpayers and little to no say.
Talk to the governor's and state representatives who'd decided to go with this system to save Virginians tax dollars.
They actually get an amount per in-state FTE student that is about average. Yes, it is a relatively small part of the overall budget, but it is important for their undergraduate funding model.
Untrue:
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In 2020, state support per student at Virginia universities was $6,519, which was significantly lower than the US average of $8,636 and also below the average for Southern states, according to Growth4VA. In 2024, public institutions in Virginia received about $10,025 in education appropriations per full-time equivalent (FTE) student, which is approximately 86% of the U.S. average. Two-year institutions received $7,573 per FTE student, while four-year institutions received $10,303. "
"In 2002, the state contribution to UVa was $177 million. By 2022, the sum had risen to $216 million. Adjusted for inflation and enrollment growth, this did represent a decline in state support, as university officials frequently remind everyone. Had state support increased in concert with the CPI and enrollment, it would have reached $317 million. The state funding gap, therefore, can be reckoned at $101 million."
https://jlarc.virginia.gov/higher-ed-cost.asp Virginia’s longstanding support for public higher education can be traced to the early 19th century. Virginia’s higher education system has multiple stakeholders, but is highly decentralized and provides institutions’ boards of visitors with substantial autonomy. While state higher education operating funding per student has declined over the past two decades, state funding still represents six percent of general fund expenditures.
State operating funding per in-state student is one-third less than it was in the late 1990s. Virginia’s funding for public higher education has consistently been below that of other states. In FY 2012, Virginia provided $4,800 in state operating support per student, about 25 percent less than the national and southern state averages.
As a result, all institutions now rely more heavily on students to fund their core missions. In FY 1998, net tuition revenue was 42 percent of the combined revenue used to fund E&G operations coming from students and the state. By FY 2012, the net tuition portion had increased to 64 percent.
I worked in higher education for years, and am from Virginia; the state has always underfunded higher education, so not that many of your tax dollars are paying for it. Which has, in turn, given Virginia tax payers less voice.
Anonymous wrote:What's next? A hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli is what's next.
Give it a rest already. UVA will be just fine.
DP. I agree they’ll be fine. But a hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli would really leave an unfortunate marr on the school. Problem is, who on earth would want that job now? What serious candidate would risk their career to come in now?
A candidate who values academic excellence above all else.
Yes. Intelligence and ability will likely become the exclusive criteria by which applicants for admission are evaluated, instead of social class, skin color, ethnicity, or other arguably irrelevant-to-academic-capacity criteria. In consequence, graduates will be perceived as having obtained their degrees thanks exclusively to demonstrated intellectual accomplishment. Employers and graduate schools won't have to wonder about the extent to which non-academic factors contributed to the obtaining of a degree, and can instead rely on the degree to mean something about what a person has done, not what they are by happenstance.
I hope whatever admission criteria and quotas they come up with are clearly stated. If it is 2/3 Virginians, state it. If it is 10 percent of first generation college state it. 4.2 GPA, 1450 SAT. Whatever it is just state so we know what we are dealing with. Enough with the “holistic” admissions which is just a way for college bureaucrats to push their hidden agendas. UVA is not Harvard, it is financed by Virginia taxpayers. We have the right to know exactly how our kids admitted to UVA or any other VA college.
But it varies from year to year. Also, there are tons of factors that have nothing to do with race or income, for example majors, filling athletic and marching band slots, having a balance of humanities and stem students, taking into account extraordinary achievements (i.e. the kid’s GPA or test scores may not be as high but they created a legit app that people have heard of —not a parent funded joke— or they have been central to lobbying for passage of a law or something like that). They want to see initiative and leadership and those things may not come out in GPA/scores and are a little more of something they know when they see. I don’t disagree that there are kids with fake non-profits, etc but going only by GPA/scores, etc is not a magic pill. It only encourages more cheating in those areas. Personally, I think essays should be proctored as part of the standardized tests (but not graded, just sent in). Then they would get more authentic essays.
There are many ways to go about. For example, you can say that a certain percentage of students will be admitted based exclusively on GPA/SAT/class rank and each year disclose what the cutoff was. You can say that some other smaller percentage who didn’t make the cutoff will be hand picked based on their extracurriculars, teacher recs, etc. And some other percentage will be added to increase social or racial diversity. As long as Virginians agree with those criteria and percentages.
Explain how this would actually work, though. UW GPA, regardless of what classes you took? You can game GPA and therefore rank.
I can imagine high schools inflating grades just to boast about how many of their grads got into UVA. “You get an A, your get an A, you all get As!”
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