What’s next for UVA

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Anonymous wrote:What's next? A hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli is what's next.

Give it a rest already. UVA will be just fine.

DP. I agree they’ll be fine. But a hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli would really leave an unfortunate marr on the school. Problem is, who on earth would want that job now? What serious candidate would risk their career to come in now?

A candidate who values academic excellence above all else.

Yes. Intelligence and ability will likely become the exclusive criteria by which applicants for admission are evaluated, instead of social class, skin color, ethnicity, or other arguably irrelevant-to-academic-capacity criteria. In consequence, graduates will be perceived as having obtained their degrees thanks exclusively to demonstrated intellectual accomplishment. Employers and graduate schools won't have to wonder about the extent to which non-academic factors contributed to the obtaining of a degree, and can instead rely on the degree to mean something about what a person has done, not what they are by happenstance.

I hope whatever admission criteria and quotas they come up with are clearly stated. If it is 2/3 Virginians, state it. If it is 10 percent of first generation college state it. 4.2 GPA, 1450 SAT. Whatever it is just state so we know what we are dealing with. Enough with the “holistic” admissions which is just a way for college bureaucrats to push their hidden agendas. UVA is not Harvard, it is financed by Virginia taxpayers. We have the right to know exactly how our kids admitted to UVA or any other VA college.

But it varies from year to year. Also, there are tons of factors that have nothing to do with race or income, for example majors, filling athletic and marching band slots, having a balance of humanities and stem students, taking into account extraordinary achievements (i.e. the kid’s GPA or test scores may not be as high but they created a legit app that people have heard of —not a parent funded joke— or they have been central to lobbying for passage of a law or something like that). They want to see initiative and leadership and those things may not come out in GPA/scores and are a little more of something they know when they see. I don’t disagree that there are kids with fake non-profits, etc but going only by GPA/scores, etc is not a magic pill. It only encourages more cheating in those areas. Personally, I think essays should be proctored as part of the standardized tests (but not graded, just sent in). Then they would get more authentic essays.

There are many ways to go about. For example, you can say that a certain percentage of students will be admitted based exclusively on GPA/SAT/class rank and each year disclose what the cutoff was. You can say that some other smaller percentage who didn’t make the cutoff will be hand picked based on their extracurriculars, teacher recs, etc. And some other percentage will be added to increase social or racial diversity. As long as Virginians agree with those criteria and percentages.

Isn’t that… essentially how they do it now? (Minus divulging the exact percentages.)

Apparently not, or we wouldn’t hear each year from parents of extremely high stats kids who got waitlisted by UVA. Anyway, the keyword is divulge, which they are not doing.

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Anonymous wrote:What's next? A hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli is what's next.

Give it a rest already. UVA will be just fine.

DP. I agree they’ll be fine. But a hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli would really leave an unfortunate marr on the school. Problem is, who on earth would want that job now? What serious candidate would risk their career to come in now?

A candidate who values academic excellence above all else.

Yes. Intelligence and ability will likely become the exclusive criteria by which applicants for admission are evaluated, instead of social class, skin color, ethnicity, or other arguably irrelevant-to-academic-capacity criteria. In consequence, graduates will be perceived as having obtained their degrees thanks exclusively to demonstrated intellectual accomplishment. Employers and graduate schools won't have to wonder about the extent to which non-academic factors contributed to the obtaining of a degree, and can instead rely on the degree to mean something about what a person has done, not what they are by happenstance.

I hope whatever admission criteria and quotas they come up with are clearly stated. If it is 2/3 Virginians, state it. If it is 10 percent of first generation college state it. 4.2 GPA, 1450 SAT. Whatever it is just state so we know what we are dealing with. Enough with the “holistic” admissions which is just a way for college bureaucrats to push their hidden agendas. UVA is not Harvard, it is financed by Virginia taxpayers. We have the right to know exactly how our kids admitted to UVA or any other VA college.

But it varies from year to year. Also, there are tons of factors that have nothing to do with race or income, for example majors, filling athletic and marching band slots, having a balance of humanities and stem students, taking into account extraordinary achievements (i.e. the kid’s GPA or test scores may not be as high but they created a legit app that people have heard of —not a parent funded joke— or they have been central to lobbying for passage of a law or something like that). They want to see initiative and leadership and those things may not come out in GPA/scores and are a little more of something they know when they see. I don’t disagree that there are kids with fake non-profits, etc but going only by GPA/scores, etc is not a magic pill. It only encourages more cheating in those areas. Personally, I think essays should be proctored as part of the standardized tests (but not graded, just sent in). Then they would get more authentic essays.

There are many ways to go about. For example, you can say that a certain percentage of students will be admitted based exclusively on GPA/SAT/class rank and each year disclose what the cutoff was. You can say that some other smaller percentage who didn’t make the cutoff will be hand picked based on their extracurriculars, teacher recs, etc. And some other percentage will be added to increase social or racial diversity. As long as Virginians agree with those criteria and percentages.

Explain how this would actually work, though. UW GPA, regardless of what classes you took? You can game GPA and therefore rank.

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Anonymous wrote:What's next? A hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli is what's next.

Give it a rest already. UVA will be just fine.

DP. I agree they’ll be fine. But a hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli would really leave an unfortunate marr on the school. Problem is, who on earth would want that job now? What serious candidate would risk their career to come in now?

A candidate who values academic excellence above all else.

Yes. Intelligence and ability will likely become the exclusive criteria by which applicants for admission are evaluated, instead of social class, skin color, ethnicity, or other arguably irrelevant-to-academic-capacity criteria. In consequence, graduates will be perceived as having obtained their degrees thanks exclusively to demonstrated intellectual accomplishment. Employers and graduate schools won't have to wonder about the extent to which non-academic factors contributed to the obtaining of a degree, and can instead rely on the degree to mean something about what a person has done, not what they are by happenstance.

I hope whatever admission criteria and quotas they come up with are clearly stated. If it is 2/3 Virginians, state it. If it is 10 percent of first generation college state it. 4.2 GPA, 1450 SAT. Whatever it is just state so we know what we are dealing with. Enough with the “holistic” admissions which is just a way for college bureaucrats to push their hidden agendas. UVA is not Harvard, it is financed by Virginia taxpayers. We have the right to know exactly how our kids admitted to UVA or any other VA college.

But it varies from year to year. Also, there are tons of factors that have nothing to do with race or income, for example majors, filling athletic and marching band slots, having a balance of humanities and stem students, taking into account extraordinary achievements (i.e. the kid’s GPA or test scores may not be as high but they created a legit app that people have heard of —not a parent funded joke— or they have been central to lobbying for passage of a law or something like that). They want to see initiative and leadership and those things may not come out in GPA/scores and are a little more of something they know when they see. I don’t disagree that there are kids with fake non-profits, etc but going only by GPA/scores, etc is not a magic pill. It only encourages more cheating in those areas. Personally, I think essays should be proctored as part of the standardized tests (but not graded, just sent in). Then they would get more authentic essays.

There are many ways to go about. For example, you can say that a certain percentage of students will be admitted based exclusively on GPA/SAT/class rank and each year disclose what the cutoff was. You can say that some other smaller percentage who didn’t make the cutoff will be hand picked based on their extracurriculars, teacher recs, etc. And some other percentage will be added to increase social or racial diversity. As long as Virginians agree with those criteria and percentages.

Why do you think you’re entitled to any of this?

Sounds like one of those open school nutters who think they can force schools to do whatever they want. Totally mental.

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Anonymous wrote:What's next? A hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli is what's next.

Give it a rest already. UVA will be just fine.

DP. I agree they’ll be fine. But a hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli would really leave an unfortunate marr on the school. Problem is, who on earth would want that job now? What serious candidate would risk their career to come in now?

A candidate who values academic excellence above all else.

Yes. Intelligence and ability will likely become the exclusive criteria by which applicants for admission are evaluated, instead of social class, skin color, ethnicity, or other arguably irrelevant-to-academic-capacity criteria. In consequence, graduates will be perceived as having obtained their degrees thanks exclusively to demonstrated intellectual accomplishment. Employers and graduate schools won't have to wonder about the extent to which non-academic factors contributed to the obtaining of a degree, and can instead rely on the degree to mean something about what a person has done, not what they are by happenstance.

I hope whatever admission criteria and quotas they come up with are clearly stated. If it is 2/3 Virginians, state it. If it is 10 percent of first generation college state it. 4.2 GPA, 1450 SAT. Whatever it is just state so we know what we are dealing with. Enough with the “holistic” admissions which is just a way for college bureaucrats to push their hidden agendas. UVA is not Harvard, it is financed by Virginia taxpayers. We have the right to know exactly how our kids admitted to UVA or any other VA college.

But it varies from year to year. Also, there are tons of factors that have nothing to do with race or income, for example majors, filling athletic and marching band slots, having a balance of humanities and stem students, taking into account extraordinary achievements (i.e. the kid’s GPA or test scores may not be as high but they created a legit app that people have heard of —not a parent funded joke— or they have been central to lobbying for passage of a law or something like that). They want to see initiative and leadership and those things may not come out in GPA/scores and are a little more of something they know when they see. I don’t disagree that there are kids with fake non-profits, etc but going only by GPA/scores, etc is not a magic pill. It only encourages more cheating in those areas. Personally, I think essays should be proctored as part of the standardized tests (but not graded, just sent in). Then they would get more authentic essays.

There are many ways to go about. For example, you can say that a certain percentage of students will be admitted based exclusively on GPA/SAT/class rank and each year disclose what the cutoff was. You can say that some other smaller percentage who didn’t make the cutoff will be hand picked based on their extracurriculars, teacher recs, etc. And some other percentage will be added to increase social or racial diversity. As long as Virginians agree with those criteria and percentages.

Isn’t that… essentially how they do it now? (Minus divulging the exact percentages.)

Apparently not, or we wouldn’t hear each year from parents of extremely high stats kids who got waitlisted by UVA. Anyway, the keyword is divulge, which they are not doing.

So you’re saying kids with above a certain threshold should be automatic admits?

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Anonymous wrote:What's next? A hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli is what's next.

Give it a rest already. UVA will be just fine.

DP. I agree they’ll be fine. But a hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli would really leave an unfortunate marr on the school. Problem is, who on earth would want that job now? What serious candidate would risk their career to come in now?

A candidate who values academic excellence above all else.

Yes. Intelligence and ability will likely become the exclusive criteria by which applicants for admission are evaluated, instead of social class, skin color, ethnicity, or other arguably irrelevant-to-academic-capacity criteria. In consequence, graduates will be perceived as having obtained their degrees thanks exclusively to demonstrated intellectual accomplishment. Employers and graduate schools won't have to wonder about the extent to which non-academic factors contributed to the obtaining of a degree, and can instead rely on the degree to mean something about what a person has done, not what they are by happenstance.

I hope whatever admission criteria and quotas they come up with are clearly stated. If it is 2/3 Virginians, state it. If it is 10 percent of first generation college state it. 4.2 GPA, 1450 SAT. Whatever it is just state so we know what we are dealing with. Enough with the “holistic” admissions which is just a way for college bureaucrats to push their hidden agendas. UVA is not Harvard, it is financed by Virginia taxpayers. We have the right to know exactly how our kids admitted to UVA or any other VA college.

But it varies from year to year. Also, there are tons of factors that have nothing to do with race or income, for example majors, filling athletic and marching band slots, having a balance of humanities and stem students, taking into account extraordinary achievements (i.e. the kid’s GPA or test scores may not be as high but they created a legit app that people have heard of —not a parent funded joke— or they have been central to lobbying for passage of a law or something like that). They want to see initiative and leadership and those things may not come out in GPA/scores and are a little more of something they know when they see. I don’t disagree that there are kids with fake non-profits, etc but going only by GPA/scores, etc is not a magic pill. It only encourages more cheating in those areas. Personally, I think essays should be proctored as part of the standardized tests (but not graded, just sent in). Then they would get more authentic essays.

There are many ways to go about. For example, you can say that a certain percentage of students will be admitted based exclusively on GPA/SAT/class rank and each year disclose what the cutoff was. You can say that some other smaller percentage who didn’t make the cutoff will be hand picked based on their extracurriculars, teacher recs, etc. And some other percentage will be added to increase social or racial diversity. As long as Virginians agree with those criteria and percentages.

Isn’t that… essentially how they do it now? (Minus divulging the exact percentages.)

Apparently not, or we wouldn’t hear each year from parents of extremely high stats kids who got waitlisted by UVA. Anyway, the keyword is divulge, which they are not doing.

So you’re saying kids with above a certain threshold should be automatic admits?

No, that is not what I am saying. I am saying that admission criteria to VA colleges should be clearly stated, objectively verifiable, and voted for by Virginia taxpayers.

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Anonymous wrote:What's next? A hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli is what's next.

Give it a rest already. UVA will be just fine.

DP. I agree they’ll be fine. But a hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli would really leave an unfortunate marr on the school. Problem is, who on earth would want that job now? What serious candidate would risk their career to come in now?

A candidate who values academic excellence above all else.

Yes. Intelligence and ability will likely become the exclusive criteria by which applicants for admission are evaluated, instead of social class, skin color, ethnicity, or other arguably irrelevant-to-academic-capacity criteria. In consequence, graduates will be perceived as having obtained their degrees thanks exclusively to demonstrated intellectual accomplishment. Employers and graduate schools won't have to wonder about the extent to which non-academic factors contributed to the obtaining of a degree, and can instead rely on the degree to mean something about what a person has done, not what they are by happenstance.

I hope whatever admission criteria and quotas they come up with are clearly stated. If it is 2/3 Virginians, state it. If it is 10 percent of first generation college state it. 4.2 GPA, 1450 SAT. Whatever it is just state so we know what we are dealing with. Enough with the “holistic” admissions which is just a way for college bureaucrats to push their hidden agendas. UVA is not Harvard, it is financed by Virginia taxpayers. We have the right to know exactly how our kids admitted to UVA or any other VA college.

But it varies from year to year. Also, there are tons of factors that have nothing to do with race or income, for example majors, filling athletic and marching band slots, having a balance of humanities and stem students, taking into account extraordinary achievements (i.e. the kid’s GPA or test scores may not be as high but they created a legit app that people have heard of —not a parent funded joke— or they have been central to lobbying for passage of a law or something like that). They want to see initiative and leadership and those things may not come out in GPA/scores and are a little more of something they know when they see. I don’t disagree that there are kids with fake non-profits, etc but going only by GPA/scores, etc is not a magic pill. It only encourages more cheating in those areas. Personally, I think essays should be proctored as part of the standardized tests (but not graded, just sent in). Then they would get more authentic essays.

There are many ways to go about. For example, you can say that a certain percentage of students will be admitted based exclusively on GPA/SAT/class rank and each year disclose what the cutoff was. You can say that some other smaller percentage who didn’t make the cutoff will be hand picked based on their extracurriculars, teacher recs, etc. And some other percentage will be added to increase social or racial diversity. As long as Virginians agree with those criteria and percentages.

Isn’t that… essentially how they do it now? (Minus divulging the exact percentages.)

Apparently not, or we wouldn’t hear each year from parents of extremely high stats kids who got waitlisted by UVA. Anyway, the keyword is divulge, which they are not doing.

So you’re saying kids with above a certain threshold should be automatic admits?

No, that is not what I am saying. I am saying that admission criteria to VA colleges should be clearly stated, objectively verifiable, and voted for by Virginia taxpayers.

This Virginia taxpayer doesn’t want that and knows it would never work anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:What's next? A hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli is what's next.

Give it a rest already. UVA will be just fine.

DP. I agree they’ll be fine. But a hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli would really leave an unfortunate marr on the school. Problem is, who on earth would want that job now? What serious candidate would risk their career to come in now?

A candidate who values academic excellence above all else.

Yes. Intelligence and ability will likely become the exclusive criteria by which applicants for admission are evaluated, instead of social class, skin color, ethnicity, or other arguably irrelevant-to-academic-capacity criteria. In consequence, graduates will be perceived as having obtained their degrees thanks exclusively to demonstrated intellectual accomplishment. Employers and graduate schools won't have to wonder about the extent to which non-academic factors contributed to the obtaining of a degree, and can instead rely on the degree to mean something about what a person has done, not what they are by happenstance.

I hope whatever admission criteria and quotas they come up with are clearly stated. If it is 2/3 Virginians, state it. If it is 10 percent of first generation college state it. 4.2 GPA, 1450 SAT. Whatever it is just state so we know what we are dealing with. Enough with the “holistic” admissions which is just a way for college bureaucrats to push their hidden agendas. UVA is not Harvard, it is financed by Virginia taxpayers. We have the right to know exactly how our kids admitted to UVA or any other VA college.

But it varies from year to year. Also, there are tons of factors that have nothing to do with race or income, for example majors, filling athletic and marching band slots, having a balance of humanities and stem students, taking into account extraordinary achievements (i.e. the kid’s GPA or test scores may not be as high but they created a legit app that people have heard of —not a parent funded joke— or they have been central to lobbying for passage of a law or something like that). They want to see initiative and leadership and those things may not come out in GPA/scores and are a little more of something they know when they see. I don’t disagree that there are kids with fake non-profits, etc but going only by GPA/scores, etc is not a magic pill. It only encourages more cheating in those areas. Personally, I think essays should be proctored as part of the standardized tests (but not graded, just sent in). Then they would get more authentic essays.

There are many ways to go about. For example, you can say that a certain percentage of students will be admitted based exclusively on GPA/SAT/class rank and each year disclose what the cutoff was. You can say that some other smaller percentage who didn’t make the cutoff will be hand picked based on their extracurriculars, teacher recs, etc. And some other percentage will be added to increase social or racial diversity. As long as Virginians agree with those criteria and percentages.

Isn’t that… essentially how they do it now? (Minus divulging the exact percentages.)

Apparently not, or we wouldn’t hear each year from parents of extremely high stats kids who got waitlisted by UVA. Anyway, the keyword is divulge, which they are not doing.

So you’re saying kids with above a certain threshold should be automatic admits?

No, that is not what I am saying. I am saying that admission criteria to VA colleges should be clearly stated, objectively verifiable, and voted for by Virginia taxpayers.

This Virginia taxpayer doesn’t want that and knows it would never work anyway.

Speak for yourself

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Anonymous wrote:What's next? A hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli is what's next.

Give it a rest already. UVA will be just fine.

DP. I agree they’ll be fine. But a hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli would really leave an unfortunate marr on the school. Problem is, who on earth would want that job now? What serious candidate would risk their career to come in now?

A candidate who values academic excellence above all else.

Yes. Intelligence and ability will likely become the exclusive criteria by which applicants for admission are evaluated, instead of social class, skin color, ethnicity, or other arguably irrelevant-to-academic-capacity criteria. In consequence, graduates will be perceived as having obtained their degrees thanks exclusively to demonstrated intellectual accomplishment. Employers and graduate schools won't have to wonder about the extent to which non-academic factors contributed to the obtaining of a degree, and can instead rely on the degree to mean something about what a person has done, not what they are by happenstance.

I hope whatever admission criteria and quotas they come up with are clearly stated. If it is 2/3 Virginians, state it. If it is 10 percent of first generation college state it. 4.2 GPA, 1450 SAT. Whatever it is just state so we know what we are dealing with. Enough with the “holistic” admissions which is just a way for college bureaucrats to push their hidden agendas. UVA is not Harvard, it is financed by Virginia taxpayers. We have the right to know exactly how our kids admitted to UVA or any other VA college.

But it varies from year to year. Also, there are tons of factors that have nothing to do with race or income, for example majors, filling athletic and marching band slots, having a balance of humanities and stem students, taking into account extraordinary achievements (i.e. the kid’s GPA or test scores may not be as high but they created a legit app that people have heard of —not a parent funded joke— or they have been central to lobbying for passage of a law or something like that). They want to see initiative and leadership and those things may not come out in GPA/scores and are a little more of something they know when they see. I don’t disagree that there are kids with fake non-profits, etc but going only by GPA/scores, etc is not a magic pill. It only encourages more cheating in those areas. Personally, I think essays should be proctored as part of the standardized tests (but not graded, just sent in). Then they would get more authentic essays.

There are many ways to go about. For example, you can say that a certain percentage of students will be admitted based exclusively on GPA/SAT/class rank and each year disclose what the cutoff was. You can say that some other smaller percentage who didn’t make the cutoff will be hand picked based on their extracurriculars, teacher recs, etc. And some other percentage will be added to increase social or racial diversity. As long as Virginians agree with those criteria and percentages.

Isn’t that… essentially how they do it now? (Minus divulging the exact percentages.)

Apparently not, or we wouldn’t hear each year from parents of extremely high stats kids who got waitlisted by UVA. Anyway, the keyword is divulge, which they are not doing.

So you’re saying kids with above a certain threshold should be automatic admits?

No, that is not what I am saying. I am saying that admission criteria to VA colleges should be clearly stated, objectively verifiable, and voted for by Virginia taxpayers.

This (sane) Virginia taxpayer doesn’t want that and knows it would never work anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:What's next? A hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli is what's next.

Give it a rest already. UVA will be just fine.

DP. I agree they’ll be fine. But a hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli would really leave an unfortunate marr on the school. Problem is, who on earth would want that job now? What serious candidate would risk their career to come in now?

A candidate who values academic excellence above all else.

Yes. Intelligence and ability will likely become the exclusive criteria by which applicants for admission are evaluated, instead of social class, skin color, ethnicity, or other arguably irrelevant-to-academic-capacity criteria. In consequence, graduates will be perceived as having obtained their degrees thanks exclusively to demonstrated intellectual accomplishment. Employers and graduate schools won't have to wonder about the extent to which non-academic factors contributed to the obtaining of a degree, and can instead rely on the degree to mean something about what a person has done, not what they are by happenstance.

I hope whatever admission criteria and quotas they come up with are clearly stated. If it is 2/3 Virginians, state it. If it is 10 percent of first generation college state it. 4.2 GPA, 1450 SAT. Whatever it is just state so we know what we are dealing with. Enough with the “holistic” admissions which is just a way for college bureaucrats to push their hidden agendas. UVA is not Harvard, it is financed by Virginia taxpayers. We have the right to know exactly how our kids admitted to UVA or any other VA college.

But it varies from year to year. Also, there are tons of factors that have nothing to do with race or income, for example majors, filling athletic and marching band slots, having a balance of humanities and stem students, taking into account extraordinary achievements (i.e. the kid’s GPA or test scores may not be as high but they created a legit app that people have heard of —not a parent funded joke— or they have been central to lobbying for passage of a law or something like that). They want to see initiative and leadership and those things may not come out in GPA/scores and are a little more of something they know when they see. I don’t disagree that there are kids with fake non-profits, etc but going only by GPA/scores, etc is not a magic pill. It only encourages more cheating in those areas. Personally, I think essays should be proctored as part of the standardized tests (but not graded, just sent in). Then they would get more authentic essays.

There are many ways to go about. For example, you can say that a certain percentage of students will be admitted based exclusively on GPA/SAT/class rank and each year disclose what the cutoff was. You can say that some other smaller percentage who didn’t make the cutoff will be hand picked based on their extracurriculars, teacher recs, etc. And some other percentage will be added to increase social or racial diversity. As long as Virginians agree with those criteria and percentages.

Isn’t that… essentially how they do it now? (Minus divulging the exact percentages.)

Apparently not, or we wouldn’t hear each year from parents of extremely high stats kids who got waitlisted by UVA. Anyway, the keyword is divulge, which they are not doing.

So you’re saying kids with above a certain threshold should be automatic admits?

No, that is not what I am saying. I am saying that admission criteria to VA colleges should be clearly stated, objectively verifiable, and voted for by Virginia taxpayers.

Are you aware how little taxes public universities receive? It’s a rounding error given UVA’s budget.

But let’s pretend it actually matters for the sake of debunking your logic. Do you also feel entitled to the highway design process and demand to know exactly how VDOT operates? Does every state government agency owe you compete records? I’m other words, if an organization accepts a dime per of taxpayer money, they have no right to privacy, autonomy, and you are entitled to the inner workings?

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Anonymous wrote:What's next? A hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli is what's next.

Give it a rest already. UVA will be just fine.

DP. I agree they’ll be fine. But a hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli would really leave an unfortunate marr on the school. Problem is, who on earth would want that job now? What serious candidate would risk their career to come in now?

A candidate who values academic excellence above all else.

Yes. Intelligence and ability will likely become the exclusive criteria by which applicants for admission are evaluated, instead of social class, skin color, ethnicity, or other arguably irrelevant-to-academic-capacity criteria. In consequence, graduates will be perceived as having obtained their degrees thanks exclusively to demonstrated intellectual accomplishment. Employers and graduate schools won't have to wonder about the extent to which non-academic factors contributed to the obtaining of a degree, and can instead rely on the degree to mean something about what a person has done, not what they are by happenstance.

I hope whatever admission criteria and quotas they come up with are clearly stated. If it is 2/3 Virginians, state it. If it is 10 percent of first generation college state it. 4.2 GPA, 1450 SAT. Whatever it is just state so we know what we are dealing with. Enough with the “holistic” admissions which is just a way for college bureaucrats to push their hidden agendas. UVA is not Harvard, it is financed by Virginia taxpayers. We have the right to know exactly how our kids admitted to UVA or any other VA college.

But it varies from year to year. Also, there are tons of factors that have nothing to do with race or income, for example majors, filling athletic and marching band slots, having a balance of humanities and stem students, taking into account extraordinary achievements (i.e. the kid’s GPA or test scores may not be as high but they created a legit app that people have heard of —not a parent funded joke— or they have been central to lobbying for passage of a law or something like that). They want to see initiative and leadership and those things may not come out in GPA/scores and are a little more of something they know when they see. I don’t disagree that there are kids with fake non-profits, etc but going only by GPA/scores, etc is not a magic pill. It only encourages more cheating in those areas. Personally, I think essays should be proctored as part of the standardized tests (but not graded, just sent in). Then they would get more authentic essays.

There are many ways to go about. For example, you can say that a certain percentage of students will be admitted based exclusively on GPA/SAT/class rank and each year disclose what the cutoff was. You can say that some other smaller percentage who didn’t make the cutoff will be hand picked based on their extracurriculars, teacher recs, etc. And some other percentage will be added to increase social or racial diversity. As long as Virginians agree with those criteria and percentages.

Isn’t that… essentially how they do it now? (Minus divulging the exact percentages.)

Apparently not, or we wouldn’t hear each year from parents of extremely high stats kids who got waitlisted by UVA. Anyway, the keyword is divulge, which they are not doing.

So you’re saying kids with above a certain threshold should be automatic admits?

No, that is not what I am saying. I am saying that admission criteria to VA colleges should be clearly stated, objectively verifiable, and voted for by Virginia taxpayers.

Are you aware how little taxes public universities receive? It’s a rounding error given UVA’s budget.

But let’s pretend it actually matters for the sake of debunking your logic. Do you also feel entitled to the highway design process and demand to know exactly how VDOT operates? Does every state government agency owe you compete records? I’m other words, if an organization accepts a dime per of taxpayer money, they have no right to privacy, autonomy, and you are entitled to the inner workings?

If Virginia highways were not maintained adequately in my area I would like to know why.

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Virginia decided long ago that it's best universities would mainly be supported by private money and grant money, and be given very few tax dollars.

They are not equivalent to highways, because Virginia tax dollars actually pay for the highways. Very few tax dollars go into UVA and W&M, so few that that taxpayers and little to no say.

Talk to the governor's and state representatives who'd decided to go with this system to save Virginians tax dollars.

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Anonymous wrote:What's next? A hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli is what's next.

Give it a rest already. UVA will be just fine.

DP. I agree they’ll be fine. But a hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli would really leave an unfortunate marr on the school. Problem is, who on earth would want that job now? What serious candidate would risk their career to come in now?

A candidate who values academic excellence above all else.

Yes. Intelligence and ability will likely become the exclusive criteria by which applicants for admission are evaluated, instead of social class, skin color, ethnicity, or other arguably irrelevant-to-academic-capacity criteria. In consequence, graduates will be perceived as having obtained their degrees thanks exclusively to demonstrated intellectual accomplishment. Employers and graduate schools won't have to wonder about the extent to which non-academic factors contributed to the obtaining of a degree, and can instead rely on the degree to mean something about what a person has done, not what they are by happenstance.

I hope whatever admission criteria and quotas they come up with are clearly stated. If it is 2/3 Virginians, state it. If it is 10 percent of first generation college state it. 4.2 GPA, 1450 SAT. Whatever it is just state so we know what we are dealing with. Enough with the “holistic” admissions which is just a way for college bureaucrats to push their hidden agendas. UVA is not Harvard, it is financed by Virginia taxpayers. We have the right to know exactly how our kids admitted to UVA or any other VA college.

But it varies from year to year. Also, there are tons of factors that have nothing to do with race or income, for example majors, filling athletic and marching band slots, having a balance of humanities and stem students, taking into account extraordinary achievements (i.e. the kid’s GPA or test scores may not be as high but they created a legit app that people have heard of —not a parent funded joke— or they have been central to lobbying for passage of a law or something like that). They want to see initiative and leadership and those things may not come out in GPA/scores and are a little more of something they know when they see. I don’t disagree that there are kids with fake non-profits, etc but going only by GPA/scores, etc is not a magic pill. It only encourages more cheating in those areas. Personally, I think essays should be proctored as part of the standardized tests (but not graded, just sent in). Then they would get more authentic essays.

There are many ways to go about. For example, you can say that a certain percentage of students will be admitted based exclusively on GPA/SAT/class rank and each year disclose what the cutoff was. You can say that some other smaller percentage who didn’t make the cutoff will be hand picked based on their extracurriculars, teacher recs, etc. And some other percentage will be added to increase social or racial diversity. As long as Virginians agree with those criteria and percentages.

Isn’t that… essentially how they do it now? (Minus divulging the exact percentages.)

Apparently not, or we wouldn’t hear each year from parents of extremely high stats kids who got waitlisted by UVA. Anyway, the keyword is divulge, which they are not doing.

So you’re saying kids with above a certain threshold should be automatic admits?

No, that is not what I am saying. I am saying that admission criteria to VA colleges should be clearly stated, objectively verifiable, and voted for by Virginia taxpayers.

Are you aware how little taxes public universities receive? It’s a rounding error given UVA’s budget.

But let’s pretend it actually matters for the sake of debunking your logic. Do you also feel entitled to the highway design process and demand to know exactly how VDOT operates? Does every state government agency owe you compete records? I’m other words, if an organization accepts a dime per of taxpayer money, they have no right to privacy, autonomy, and you are entitled to the inner workings?

If Virginia highways were not maintained adequately in my area I would like to know why.

Do you drive around other parts of Virginia and get mad when they have well-maintained roads? Who do they think they are? Only the wealthy kids in NoVa should have nice roads.

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia decided long ago that it's best universities would mainly be supported by private money and grant money, and be given very few tax dollars.

They are not equivalent to highways, because Virginia tax dollars actually pay for the highways. Very few tax dollars go into UVA and W&M, so few that that taxpayers and little to no say.

Talk to the governor's and state representatives who'd decided to go with this system to save Virginians tax dollars.

They actually get an amount per in-state FTE student that is about average. Yes, it is a relatively small part of the overall budget, but it is important for their undergraduate funding model.

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia decided long ago that it's best universities would mainly be supported by private money and grant money, and be given very few tax dollars.

They are not equivalent to highways, because Virginia tax dollars actually pay for the highways. Very few tax dollars go into UVA and W&M, so few that that taxpayers and little to no say.

Talk to the governor's and state representatives who'd decided to go with this system to save Virginians tax dollars.

That is an interesting point. It does seem like the state only contributes about 10 percent to UVA budget. Still, the commonwealth owns the university, meaning you own it too.

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Anonymous wrote:What's next? A hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli is what's next.

Give it a rest already. UVA will be just fine.

DP. I agree they’ll be fine. But a hot steaming pile of Cuccinelli would really leave an unfortunate marr on the school. Problem is, who on earth would want that job now? What serious candidate would risk their career to come in now?

A candidate who values academic excellence above all else.

Yes. Intelligence and ability will likely become the exclusive criteria by which applicants for admission are evaluated, instead of social class, skin color, ethnicity, or other arguably irrelevant-to-academic-capacity criteria. In consequence, graduates will be perceived as having obtained their degrees thanks exclusively to demonstrated intellectual accomplishment. Employers and graduate schools won't have to wonder about the extent to which non-academic factors contributed to the obtaining of a degree, and can instead rely on the degree to mean something about what a person has done, not what they are by happenstance.

I hope whatever admission criteria and quotas they come up with are clearly stated. If it is 2/3 Virginians, state it. If it is 10 percent of first generation college state it. 4.2 GPA, 1450 SAT. Whatever it is just state so we know what we are dealing with. Enough with the “holistic” admissions which is just a way for college bureaucrats to push their hidden agendas. UVA is not Harvard, it is financed by Virginia taxpayers. We have the right to know exactly how our kids admitted to UVA or any other VA college.

But it varies from year to year. Also, there are tons of factors that have nothing to do with race or income, for example majors, filling athletic and marching band slots, having a balance of humanities and stem students, taking into account extraordinary achievements (i.e. the kid’s GPA or test scores may not be as high but they created a legit app that people have heard of —not a parent funded joke— or they have been central to lobbying for passage of a law or something like that). They want to see initiative and leadership and those things may not come out in GPA/scores and are a little more of something they know when they see. I don’t disagree that there are kids with fake non-profits, etc but going only by GPA/scores, etc is not a magic pill. It only encourages more cheating in those areas. Personally, I think essays should be proctored as part of the standardized tests (but not graded, just sent in). Then they would get more authentic essays.

There are many ways to go about. For example, you can say that a certain percentage of students will be admitted based exclusively on GPA/SAT/class rank and each year disclose what the cutoff was. You can say that some other smaller percentage who didn’t make the cutoff will be hand picked based on their extracurriculars, teacher recs, etc. And some other percentage will be added to increase social or racial diversity. As long as Virginians agree with those criteria and percentages.

Isn’t that… essentially how they do it now? (Minus divulging the exact percentages.)

Apparently not, or we wouldn’t hear each year from parents of extremely high stats kids who got waitlisted by UVA. Anyway, the keyword is divulge, which they are not doing.

So you’re saying kids with above a certain threshold should be automatic admits?

No, that is not what I am saying. I am saying that admission criteria to VA colleges should be clearly stated, objectively verifiable, and voted for by Virginia taxpayers.

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