As a Democrat, it all feels hopeless.

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Anonymous wrote:You can't exclude how youth feels about the economy. Anyone coming of age now is hurting. Social media is filled with new adults who say they can't afford kids or rent. Trump would be change and he's taking some votes from Biden.

Do you know how much I earned straight out of college? Less that what the minimum wage is now. Young folks are okay. They are poor now, and they will be less poor later.

If you look at wages, they are up.

A bag of fries costs $6 at Target

And?

CNN moderator lied during debate saying that grocery basket was $100 4 years ago and $120 now. It is like $400 now for the same items that were $100 four years ago.

What are you buying? 2 person household and our most recent grocery basket was $85 for the week.

post your $85 a week 2 person shopping receipt.

I throw my receipts away, but here's our weekly list and see if you can mirror it

Basmatti Rice

Eggs

-Chicken
-The fancy bakery bread at the store
-Yogurt
-Cheese
-Deli Meats
-Tofu
-Pasta
-Oat Milk
-Soy Milk
-Tea bags
-Honey
-Soy Sauce
-Bananas, Strawberries, Blueberries, Lettuce, Spinach, Cucumber
-Peanuts
-Dressing

How much chicken do 2 people eat over a 7 day period? You haven’t given any portion sizes for any item. How many cucumbers? How large of a container of honey? How many packages of deli meat, what kind?

OMG dude. Move on. Bring the stats if you want to make your point.

The point was not that you can feed two people for $85 /week - you can’t. That list will cover only dinners and breakfasts, not lunches. The point was that that list of food that they purchased for $85 cost $30 four years ago.

That list of items never cost $30. You have to be joking. That list of items costs me closer to $100 and pre-all this shenanigans...$90ish

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Anonymous wrote:That is $12.14 of groceries for 2 people per day; $6.07 per person of food per day. Pp is telling us she and her partner eat $6.07 of food each per day? How is that possible?

I'm learning we just don't eat massive amounts of food. My daily lunch is a salad and fruit for the job, not a breakfast person, and we usually have a boring meal of chicken with something around it for dinner.

Joe Biden is a healthy, vibrant, vigorous, mentally sharp man, and pp eats $6.07 of food per day.

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Anonymous wrote:There will be a massive disconnect with politicians and their voters in 20 years. When the 60+ crowd are gone, the dems will be panicking as to how to run more progressive campaigns rather than resenting anyone whose marginally more left than a conservative 10 years ago. The republicans will be great though.

What?
The Dems will adjust. They believe in civil rights, rule of law, making the environment sustainable, women's rights, abortion rights.

The R's used to believe in fiscally conservative policies, state's rights, and ending abortion.

Now, their main unifying policy (abortion) is off the list, and they no longer believe in state's rights or fiscally conservative policies.

Neither policy has a clear vision for foreign policy.

In 20 years, the D's have something to build on / build up / build towards.

The R's have dismantled the entire government, made the tax structure unsustainable, and totally eliminated our leadership position in foreign policy. They've made us an unreliable partner and even have brought into question whether we have or support rule of law.

In what way are the R's in a better position to have an agenda for the future?

I don’t believe that the Democrats believe in women’s rights any more.

Why?

And the R's who took away the right to choose do? Really?

The Rs don’t believe in women’s rights either. But the Democrats have gone all in on destroying women’s rights as well. They have prioritized men at every turn.

Pick your poison, though. One of these parties leads towards continued free and fair elections, courts, and civil rights.
One wants to end all of those American ideals.

I don’t think the Democrats are the party of civil rights any more. I certainly don’t believe your hysteria.

Candidly I just don’t believe the Democrats on anything at this point. They lied about Biden’s health, as we can all see.

Trump and the GOP lie as well. But I never trusted them. Now I distrust the Democrats the same way I distrust the Republicans.

Do you believe that Donald Trump tried to overthrow the election?

Up until this debate, yes. But it’s now clear that the mainstream media has been shockingly deceptive in their reporting and now I am questioning everything. I don’t know what to think or who to trust as this point.

But you saw it on TV. It's clear that Biden is an 81 year old who has good days and bad days. I wish that there was another candidate running. But there's not. There's no way I would vote for someone who tried to overthrow the US government. I just wouldn't. I am voting for him because I like what Biden is actually doing. Not how he talks. And I'm also voting against Trump because he hates the American people and doesn't believe that their votes matter. Either one of those would be good enough reason for me to make my voice heard through voting.

What I saw on TV was shocking. What I realized immediately is that the Democratic Party and the mainstream media have been actively suppressing and lying about the state of Biden and who is actually running our country. I’ve been lied to, as badly as the GOP has. And now I do not trust anything that I was told previously.

Was Trump’s voice saying “fake news….fake news….” in your ear

Honestly? Yes. I never believed Trump before, and I still don’t, not really. But all of a sudden I wonder if he was right about the media. Certainly the media has been obviously lying about Biden’s state. Now I wonder what else they’ve lied about.

Uh huh. Right. So what you saw with your own eyes on January 6, And Trump's tweets and interviews where he said the election was stolen, were altered by the media?

Can you point out where media lied about Biden's state? What is that state exactly? I've seen him speak every week. And how did media lie about it? Did they write puff pieces about his vigor we all missed?



Also, you guys are so transparent with these posts.

And you are so tiresome with this constant gaslighting.

It took three seconds to find an article from a few days before the debate that talks about how the clips that the right-wing media was showing about Biden’s health (accurately, as it turns out) were just cheap fakes and manipulated.

Reading this article post-debate is truly shocking. The level of overt deception is so demoralizing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/21/us/politics/biden-age-videos.html

One does not exclude the other. The videos were manipulated.

No, actually, they weren’t. The clips ended at various points but that’s not “manipulated,” that’s just picking an endpoint. It is obvious at this point that the right-wing media was truthful about this while outlets like the NYT were lying.

Interesting that you made all this research since Thursday night. Totally plausible. And yes, they were manipulated.

You can literally see the clips in question. You are clearly lying, and the country sees your gaslighting.

That article from the NYT is laughable now. Well, it would be laughable if it wasn’t so incredibly grim in what it betrays about media truth.

There is a thread about that. Feel free to meander in there.

Also, look up the term manipulated

You resort to insults because you can’t factually defend against obvious truths. I’m sorry but the country has seen the lies of the mainstream media regarding Biden, and that genie can’t be stuffed back into the bottle.

omg, what are the lies? he is old? no s*** sherlock. If he was running against a halfway decent R candidate things would be way different. But Biden is running against a twice impeached, multiple indictments, convicted felon, total sociopath. The list goes on and on. It’s all about him and nothing about the people of this country. I grew up in nyc and this guy has been bad news forever. He is only here now because of the Apprentice. Lord help us.

The lies are that the right-wing media was “manipulating” all the recent clips of Biden stumbling, etc. That’s obviously a lie, and the NYT is complicit in a serious coverup. And you are lying too. Biden isn’t just “old.” He is ill. Really ill. Obviously ill.

You are doing what the Democratic Party is doing, which is scrambling to redirect to how bad Trump is, in an effort to distract from the horror of Biden’s cryptkeeper appearance. Look, I hate Trump. I’m not voting for him. But I am sick and tired of the obvious lies from both the Biden camp and the mainstream media.

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Anonymous wrote:Dictators hate gun rights more than anything

Trump is by definition not a dictator.

Aw, it's so cute that you think a dictator will let you know before you put him in office that he will take your guns away. Someone doesn't study history tsk tsk

Girl, he was already president! We know he isn't a dictator. Stop saying that.

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Riiight. That roughing of protesters for him to have his Bible photo op was just in good fun!

As was his denial of free and fair elections and siccing the mob to try and stop certificaiton.

Again, you are woefully unaware of how a dictatorship is born and what the signs are. Girl.

Do yall know that was another media hoax?

The clearing of Lafayette Square of protesters on June 1, 2020, had been previously planned by the U.S. Park Police before President Trump made his public statement at a nearby church.

So cite it.

NPR on June 1, 2020:

“Peaceful Protesters Tear-Gassed To Clear Way For Trump Church Photo-Op”

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/01/867532070/trumps-unannounced-church-visit-angers-church-officials

^^^ fake news

NPR on June 9, 2021:

“Watchdog Report Says Police Did Not Clear Protesters To Make Way For Trump Photo-Op”

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/09/1004832399/watchdog-report-says-police-did-not-clear-protesters-to-make-way-for-trump-last-

The media did this throughout Trump’s presidency. Publish lies to make everyone think Trump was evil. A year later the truth comes out, but the first fake narrative has already been ingrained in people’s minds. Rinse and repeat, over and over and over.

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Anonymous wrote:The posters having tantrums about the DNC need to grow up, and give it a rest.
The DNC didn’t do this.
This is all on Joe and Jill Biden.
No one was going to challenge the sitting president. Literally you are asking dems to relinquish the only advantage going into an election where both parties are known entities: which is the power of the bully pulpit.
No democrats was going to run against the sitting president and it’s childish, ignorant wish casting to pretend it was ever an option.

Biden said he will serve only one term when he was campaigning in 2020.

Biden lied.

To be perfectly accurate, he never actually said he would be a one-term president but he implied it or let it be assumed by others. So, no, he didn't lie, but he didn't correct the widespread misconception (which I, among others, fell for) either. Politicians are slippery that way.

"So Biden never explicitly made a one-term promise during the campaign, but he certainly implied it with the language of “transition.” You don’t typically think of eight years in office as a “transition.” And he had surrogates talking to their pals in the press planting the seeds of a single term, for a Democratic electorate that never saw Biden as their first choice, just as an acceptable consensus pick to take out the hated incumbent."
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/4718993-did-biden-break-his-one-term-pledge/

He would have stepped aside if there was one electable candidate OR if Trump wasnt running.

But even now, people trash around with candidates to replace him. There is no one who wants the job. America won't elect a woman, it won't elect a gay man, it won't elect a black man again especially one like Booker -- the swing states are still looking for "Presidential", ie white male.

We can take another swing at progress candidates back when the other side puts up candidates like McCain and Romney who would have been fine presidents.

Oh come off it. Electable candidate? You get electable candidates by allowing people to BE candidates. Biden, as the elder statesmen he is (or wants to be), should have stepped aside and insisted on a primary season like there was no incumbent. And he should have pushed for the agreement of other elderly people like Sanders and Warren that they would sit this one out. Imagine what a competitive primary season with the outcome being a young ticket would look like against Trump. Instead we've got a tired old man and a crazy old man. I'm still voting for Biden but the DNC needs its own post mortem, starting with its nearly dead of old age leadership.

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2 burrito bowls with double chicken with chips and a drink at Chipotle

Total: $47.88

Protein is for the rich now.

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Anonymous wrote:2 burrito bowls with double chicken with chips and a drink at Chipotle

Total: $47.88

Protein is for the rich now.

Pp has a magic grocery list that feeds two adults for $6.07 per day.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not despairing. Trump might win, yes - and if/when he does, it will be a shit show, and it will be followed by the final death of the GOP.

If he wins, which is very likely, it should also be the final death of the DNC, who let it happen.

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Anonymous wrote:The posters having tantrums about the DNC need to grow up, and give it a rest.
The DNC didn’t do this.
This is all on Joe and Jill Biden.
No one was going to challenge the sitting president. Literally you are asking dems to relinquish the only advantage going into an election where both parties are known entities: which is the power of the bully pulpit.
No democrats was going to run against the sitting president and it’s childish, ignorant wish casting to pretend it was ever an option.

Biden said he will serve only one term when he was campaigning in 2020.

Biden lied.

To be perfectly accurate, he never actually said he would be a one-term president but he implied it or let it be assumed by others. So, no, he didn't lie, but he didn't correct the widespread misconception (which I, among others, fell for) either. Politicians are slippery that way.

"So Biden never explicitly made a one-term promise during the campaign, but he certainly implied it with the language of “transition.” You don’t typically think of eight years in office as a “transition.” And he had surrogates talking to their pals in the press planting the seeds of a single term, for a Democratic electorate that never saw Biden as their first choice, just as an acceptable consensus pick to take out the hated incumbent."
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/4718993-did-biden-break-his-one-term-pledge/

He would have stepped aside if there was one electable candidate OR if Trump wasnt running.

But even now, people trash around with candidates to replace him. There is no one who wants the job. America won't elect a woman, it won't elect a gay man, it won't elect a black man again especially one like Booker -- the swing states are still looking for "Presidential", ie white male.

We can take another swing at progress candidates back when the other side puts up candidates like McCain and Romney who would have been fine presidents.

Oh come off it. Electable candidate? You get electable candidates by allowing people to BE candidates. Biden, as the elder statesmen he is (or wants to be), should have stepped aside and insisted on a primary season like there was no incumbent. And he should have pushed for the agreement of other elderly people like Sanders and Warren that they would sit this one out. Imagine what a competitive primary season with the outcome being a young ticket would look like against Trump. Instead we've got a tired old man and a crazy old man. I'm still voting for Biden but the DNC needs its own post mortem, starting with its nearly dead of old age leadership.

The problem for the democratic party is that the smart educated white men of the party have WAY better options in tech and business. Going into politics has say less upside. So you get the edge candidates, POC and other minorities where becoming a politician is actively encouraged and a step up from where you grew up. Even the poor white guy from Arkansas knows he can go into sales or similar and have a way better life, and not live in fear that flirting with a cute girl will end his career and ruin his life.

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Anonymous wrote:You can't exclude how youth feels about the economy. Anyone coming of age now is hurting. Social media is filled with new adults who say they can't afford kids or rent. Trump would be change and he's taking some votes from Biden.

Do you know how much I earned straight out of college? Less that what the minimum wage is now. Young folks are okay. They are poor now, and they will be less poor later.

If you look at wages, they are up.

A bag of fries costs $6 at Target

And?

CNN moderator lied during debate saying that grocery basket was $100 4 years ago and $120 now. It is like $400 now for the same items that were $100 four years ago.

Baloney. Not at any store I go to. Where the hell are you shopping where grocery prices went up 4x?

(in other words, stop making idiotic shit up)

Yeah, lol. I spent $1200/mo 4 years ago with two older teens 6’+ at home during pandemic. They’re home for the summer and even adding in an fair amount of takeout we’re not spending anywhere close to $4800/mo for food.

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Because it is.

Don’t be a Democrat. Or a Republican. Be an American.

If we all did that, we’d be in a far better place.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not despairing. Trump might win, yes - and if/when he does, it will be a shit show, and it will be followed by the final death of the GOP.

If he wins, which is very likely, it should also be the final death of the DNC, who let it happen.

Trump will absolutely win if Biden stays in the race and Trump will absolutely lose if Biden exits the race. The DNC and RNC need to be dismantled and dissolved regardless of who is elected in 2024.

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Anonymous wrote:2 burrito bowls with double chicken with chips and a drink at Chipotle

Total: $47.88

Protein is for the rich now.

Nearest Chipotle to me has added code locks to the bathroom doors, yet another subtle sign of social decay.

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Dang, you say this every year.

The Republicans and the media spouting nonsense have gotten inside your head.

Meanwhile, Trump lied with nearly every answer and can barely form a sentence but no one is saying he should step down.

What the heck, man?

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Anonymous wrote:Dang, you say this every year.

The Republicans and the media spouting nonsense have gotten inside your head.

Meanwhile, Trump lied with nearly every answer and can barely form a sentence but no one is saying he should step down.

What the heck, man?

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