TJ admissions change from Merit to Essay impact to Asian American Students

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Anonymous wrote:That was the design. TJ needs the diversity. Inclusive programs will help every student at the school.

Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American students received 70.20%
Class of 2020, Asian American students received 71.34%
Class of 2021, Asian American students received 74.90%
Class of 2023, Asian American students received 72.87%
Class of 2024, Asian American students received 73.05%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American students received 54.36%
Class of 2026, Asian American students received 59.82%
Class of 2027, Asian American students received 61.64%.
Class of 2028, Asian American students received 57.27%

https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2028

But TJ post AP advanced multivariable calculus class is still all Asian. That class is waiting for the arrival of the diversity bus, which appears to be stuck in remedial math.

That’s mainly a senior level class and the first new admission class is just Junior year now. So naturally you wouldn’t see any differences yet.

The algebra 1 students find Calc AB itself a challenge in senior year. If they turn super smart after joining TJ, they would still need to skip a level to enroll in Calc BC, and that's about the highest level of their math path.

If you listen to TJ Math teachers over the years, many would disagree with you. Students who take the progression of Geometry, Alg2, and PreCalc (or their TJ equivalents) at TJ rather than at their middle school will usually have a stronger foundation in the fundamentals at each level because they have learned those topics amidst the rigor of TJ.

Students who enter TJ at a significantly advanced level, by contrast, will frequently have gaps in their fundamentals or understanding of the "why" behind the concepts unless they came from Eugene or Vern or someone equally strong.

Foundation for what? Only by the senior year, Alg 1 students would reach the math level needed for TJ's science courses. Alg 2 and more advanced students can always cover their gaps if any during the 4 years while benefiting from the rigorous curriculum.

Before the new admissions, most TJ students were Geo and higher, no complaint heard then. Teachers onlt started complaining in the new admissions when politics meddles with the teaching.

What's disheartening is that Equity hires have been brought into the TJ administration for key positions, and all complaints from math teachers must first go through them for vetting. Math teachers are prohibited from directly addressing concerns with students or parents via emails. Any communication from teachers "with concerns" must undergo an Equity filter.

In a black majority school, DEI hires are black. In a white majority school, DEI hires are black. In an asian majority school, DEI hires are black. Why?

Is this a serious question?

To the extent that "DEI hires" exist in a public school system, which is limited, they exist because Black people have been suppressed from getting quality, high-paying jobs for the vast majority of this country's history - for no other reason than "we don't like Black people".

you are foolish if you cannot recognize the black prosperity in a Micheal Jordon, Oprah Winfrey, Robert Smith, etc. You want us to look poor, dont you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Impact to Asian American students? Let's see...

The number of Asian students enrolled at TJ by school year (fall):
17-18: 1,216
18-19: 1,251
19-20: 1,293
20-21: 1,303
21-22: 1,264 **
22-23: 1,293 **
23-24: 1,275 **

Fake data, fake charts. Hope someone schools this fool with real factual data.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Impact to Asian American students? Let's see...

The number of Asian students enrolled at TJ by school year (fall):
17-18: 1,216
18-19: 1,251
19-20: 1,293
20-21: 1,303
21-22: 1,264 **
22-23: 1,293 **
23-24: 1,275 **

Fake data, fake charts. Hope someone schools this fool with real factual data.

100% real data. Feel free to check my number.
https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:8
Select TJ, Demographics, Student Ethnicity.

The number of Asian students enrolled at TJ by school year (fall):
17-18: 1,216
18-19: 1,251
19-20: 1,293
20-21: 1,303
21-22: 1,264 **
22-23: 1,293 **
23-24: 1,275 **

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Impact to Asian American students? Let's see...

The number of Asian students enrolled at TJ by school year (fall):
17-18: 1,216
18-19: 1,251
19-20: 1,293
20-21: 1,303
21-22: 1,264 **
22-23: 1,293 **
23-24: 1,275 **

Fake data, fake charts. Hope someone schools this fool with real factual data.

100% real data. Feel free to check my number.
https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:8
Select TJ, Demographics, Student Ethnicity.

The number of Asian students enrolled at TJ by school year (fall):
17-18: 1,216
18-19: 1,251
19-20: 1,293
20-21: 1,303
21-22: 1,264 **
22-23: 1,293 **
23-24: 1,275 **

I'd heard low-income Asian families were the biggest benefices of the new process. I guess that's proof.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That was the design. TJ needs the diversity. Inclusive programs will help every student at the school.

Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American students received 70.20%
Class of 2020, Asian American students received 71.34%
Class of 2021, Asian American students received 74.90%
Class of 2023, Asian American students received 72.87%
Class of 2024, Asian American students received 73.05%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American students received 54.36%
Class of 2026, Asian American students received 59.82%
Class of 2027, Asian American students received 61.64%.
Class of 2028, Asian American students received 57.27%

https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2028

But TJ post AP advanced multivariable calculus class is still all Asian. That class is waiting for the arrival of the diversity bus, which appears to be stuck in remedial math.

That’s mainly a senior level class and the first new admission class is just Junior year now. So naturally you wouldn’t see any differences yet.

The algebra 1 students find Calc AB itself a challenge in senior year. If they turn super smart after joining TJ, they would still need to skip a level to enroll in Calc BC, and that's about the highest level of their math path.

If you listen to TJ Math teachers over the years, many would disagree with you. Students who take the progression of Geometry, Alg2, and PreCalc (or their TJ equivalents) at TJ rather than at their middle school will usually have a stronger foundation in the fundamentals at each level because they have learned those topics amidst the rigor of TJ.

Students who enter TJ at a significantly advanced level, by contrast, will frequently have gaps in their fundamentals or understanding of the "why" behind the concepts unless they came from Eugene or Vern or someone equally strong.

OMG, enough with the Alg 1 is really good BS.

You're misunderstanding me, for whatever reason. I'm not saying that there's any inherent merit in students coming in from Alg 1.

But what is absolutely, incontrovertibly true is that the equivalents of Geometry, Alg2, and PreCalc at TJ are orders of magnitude better than what you will get at a middle school, with very few exceptions.

That's great. I don't think it is an issue at least not anymore than in the past when only kids whose parents could spend thousands on outside enrichment could attend TJ.

[Anonymous]

Asian count remains more or less same, but the Asian percent has gone down?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:About 60% is a pretty strong majority for a population that is only 20% of the school area.

+1

What do you want? 100% Asian?? How much sense does that make??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Impact to Asian American students? Let's see...

The number of Asian students enrolled at TJ by school year (fall):
17-18: 1,216
18-19: 1,251
19-20: 1,293
20-21: 1,303
21-22: 1,264 **
22-23: 1,293 **
23-24: 1,275 **

Fake data, fake charts. Hope someone schools this fool with real factual data.

100% real data. Feel free to check my number.
https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:8
Select TJ, Demographics, Student Ethnicity.

The number of Asian students enrolled at TJ by school year (fall):
17-18: 1,216
18-19: 1,251
19-20: 1,293
20-21: 1,303
21-22: 1,264 **
22-23: 1,293 **
23-24: 1,275 **

I'd heard low-income Asian families were the biggest benefices of the new process. I guess that's proof.

It should be low income! Not just tutored kids!

[Anonymous]

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Asian count remains more or less same, but the Asian percent has gone down?

Along with the admissions change, the total number of seats were expanded by 100 seats, but Asian students were solely excluded from participating in the expanded seat assignment. There are consistently 1000+ declined Asian applicants each year, largest among all ethnicities, and none of them are allowed to receive a single seat from the expanded seat quota.

[Anonymous]

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Asian count remains more or less same, but the Asian percent has gone down?

Wow. That’s a fairly dramatic change. It’s looks like the new process is being gamed by those with en-earned advantages. Shame.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Asian count remains more or less same, but the Asian percent has gone down?

Along with the admissions change, the total number of seats were expanded by 100 seats, but Asian students were solely excluded from participating in the expanded seat assignment. There are consistently 1000+ declined Asian applicants each year, largest among all ethnicities, and none of them are allowed to receive a single seat from the expanded seat quota.

The expanded seat quota is to accommodate the 1.5% per middle school. There are many middle schools with extremely low numbers of Asians. Therefore you can't expect that Asians will continue to fill up the 1.5% of seats expanded per middle school, so of course it shows in the data that they do not "receive" more of those spots. It's simple math proportions.

If Asian families would move to all the middle schools where there currently are very few Asians (Whitman and Sandburg are less than 5% Asian) then we would see Asians increase in percentage again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Asian count remains more or less same, but the Asian percent has gone down?

Along with the admissions change, the total number of seats were expanded by 100 seats, but Asian students were solely excluded from participating in the expanded seat assignment. There are consistently 1000+ declined Asian applicants each year, largest among all ethnicities, and none of them are allowed to receive a single seat from the expanded seat quota.

The expanded seat quota is to accommodate the 1.5% per middle school. There are many middle schools with extremely low numbers of Asians. Therefore you can't expect that Asians will continue to fill up the 1.5% of seats expanded per middle school, so of course it shows in the data that they do not "receive" more of those spots. It's simple math proportions.

If Asian families would move to all the middle schools where there currently are very few Asians (Whitman and Sandburg are less than 5% Asian) then we would see Asians increase in percentage again.

Asians families want to move to Whitman area, but Whitman has to start teaching beyond Algebra 1 math. A Geometry student from McLean cant move to Whitman and expected to be enrolled in lower level Algebra 1. We asked FCPS and they said they do not allow moving down to Algebra 1 especially if student already has A+ in Geometry. So we had no choice but to stay back at McLean.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Asian count remains more or less same, but the Asian percent has gone down?

Along with the admissions change, the total number of seats were expanded by 100 seats, but Asian students were solely excluded from participating in the expanded seat assignment. There are consistently 1000+ declined Asian applicants each year, largest among all ethnicities, and none of them are allowed to receive a single seat from the expanded seat quota.

The expanded seat quota is to accommodate the 1.5% per middle school. There are many middle schools with extremely low numbers of Asians. Therefore you can't expect that Asians will continue to fill up the 1.5% of seats expanded per middle school, so of course it shows in the data that they do not "receive" more of those spots. It's simple math proportions.

If Asian families would move to all the middle schools where there currently are very few Asians (Whitman and Sandburg are less than 5% Asian) then we would see Asians increase in percentage again.

Asians families want to move to Whitman area, but Whitman has to start teaching beyond Algebra 1 math. A Geometry student from McLean cant move to Whitman and expected to be enrolled in lower level Algebra 1. We asked FCPS and they said they do not allow moving down to Algebra 1 especially if student already has A+ in Geometry. So we had no choice but to stay back at McLean.

thanks for the laughter

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:About 60% is a pretty strong majority for a population that is only 20% of the school area.

+1

What do you want? 100% Asian?? How much sense does that make??

Off course!! There is no way non asian can be that smart!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:About 60% is a pretty strong majority for a population that is only 20% of the school area.

+1

What do you want? 100% Asian?? How much sense does that make??

Authorities tell Asian American students there is a limit exclusively for them when their representation rises. But not for students of other race, even when the demographics dont match:

California State University—Los Angeles. Hispanic Students: 74% No suppression

South Carolina State University, Black Students: 95% No suppression

TJ High School for Science & Tech, Asian Students 72%, Suppressed to 54% in one year