Violence in Kindergarten- Sligo Creek Elementary

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Anonymous wrote:And the person who was injured yesterday and has staples in her head is a paraeducator, not a classroom teacher.

Then she wasn't doing her job, assuming she was in room to help with that student.

If, of course, any part of this story is true at all.

What in the f?

Why would you assume she was in the room as a 1:1 to that student?

Why would you assume that someone doing their job as a 1:1 aide can’t be harmed by a kid?

Are we all living on the same planet where a 6 year old shot a teacher last year or were you at your home base on Mars for that?

Why? Because MCPS's standard for getting a 1:1 is far less than what has been described in this thread.

And an adult that is paying attention should be more than capable of preventing a 6 year old from obtaining and throwing an apparently heavy object. Again, if this story is actually a true story, which seems less and less likely.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You think it is so easy that you stand next to the child and say -no, please stop, go back to your seat - and the out of control child automatically follows your directions?

That’s not how it works -you are trying to block getting bitten, kicked and hit at the same time to you are trying to prevent other kids from being attacked. You can’t physically restrain the out of control child like you could your own son or daughter. You really can’t touch the out of control child either. How do you prevent the child from obtaining heavy objects when the room is literally full of heavy objects. So the kid picks up a chair and you grab the chair, then get kicked in the shins at the same time and try not to fall over or get kicked again or stomped on. Meanwhile the kid rushes away from you and grabs a stapler and chucks it. Or a water bottle or heavy book. Or a pencil and tries to poke another kid.

It’s ridiculous you think it is so easy and keep denying teachers and staff members are being seriously assaulted all over the country by elementary aged students.

Very creative. But again, we're talking about a kindergartener. An adult assigned to a child should be able to prevent that child from obtaining and throwing an object like a water bottle. And a good paraeducator would be able to guide the child to calming strategies before a situation escalates to that level. That's literally the job.

You never answered the question how the adult prevents the child from obtaining an object. You can't restrain the child in any way, so don't include that in your answer. Teachers have been seriously injured by kindergarten and first grade students. you magically think someone getting paid $18 an hour is a kindergarten whisperer who is going to calm the student down when no one else can? You have very obviously never seen a raging out of control student and/or you are an administrator who does an awful job or parent who thinks your child can do no wrong.

This is the type of gaslighting from administrators and parents of out of control kids that make special education teachers and general education teachers quit
Administrators who tell teachers-
if you only build a relationship with the kid, he or she wouldn't have bashed you in the head with a water bottle, so the 8 staples in your head is basically your fault.
Oh it's just a kindergarten student, they don't kick that hard or bite that deeply.
What did you do to make the student so upset? You should let him have whatever he wants.
Why aren't you calming the student down, you should be able to do that before the student escalates
Why aren't you providing the student with rewards (of course they are never provided by the school, the teacher has to spend his or her own money)?

Really?

You grab it before they do. Or take it away from them before they throw it.

It's time for you to retire.

NP. Surely you're aware that there are ~25 kids in these classrooms. There's no way a teacher is grabbing something away if she's across the room. Are you always this obtuse? I suggest you spend some time volunteering in the classroom to see what the realities are.

Oh, and as teachers retire, there isn't a fresh crop to replace them. Think about that for a minute.

It sounds like this child has a 1:1. Did you miss that part of the thread?

No, it does not sound like this child has a 1:1. It sounds like there was an aide present in the classroom and she got hurt. There is one who floats in K at SCES; she’s not 1:1 with a specific student.

The main thing it sounds like is that you really have no idea how bad the staffing situation is.

If that's true, then it is even more outrageous how much this school is failing this student. It's not hard to fill paraeducator positions. They're highly desired positions among child care workers.

Again. It really sounds like you do not understand how bad the staffing situation is.

You don't seem to understand where the bottleneck is. There are plenty of people that want these positions.

For the purpose of the discussion above, it does not matter where the bottleneck is. There was no 1:1 adult assigned to this child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Btw obviously nobody is arguing for more white students to be suspended. I mean I think they should be but I'm not one of the people (who aren't here) that you are arguign with. White parents flip out when their children are suspended and they have the time and money to fight the suspensions. MCPS has zero backbone when it comes to rich white moms.

I do agree with you that MCPS absolutely caters to angry white moms to the detriment of everyone else and that's a racial problem we need to confront and address. Right is right and wrong is wrong.

If a kid, white or black, commits an offense worthy of disciplinary consequences, they should face the same consequences. Period.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Btw obviously nobody is arguing for more white students to be suspended. I mean I think they should be but I'm not one of the people (who aren't here) that you are arguign with. White parents flip out when their children are suspended and they have the time and money to fight the suspensions. MCPS has zero backbone when it comes to rich white moms.

I do agree with you that MCPS absolutely caters to angry white moms to the detriment of everyone else and that's a racial problem we need to confront and address. Right is right and wrong is wrong.

If a kid, white or black, commits an offense worthy of disciplinary consequences, they should face the same consequences. Period.

I had to deal with one of those this year and went full force to take her and her lying, entitled DC down. I don’t think her DC will want to mess with mine again, but if they do, I’m ready.

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Anonymous wrote:And the person who was injured yesterday and has staples in her head is a paraeducator, not a classroom teacher.

Then she wasn't doing her job, assuming she was in room to help with that student.

If, of course, any part of this story is true at all.

What in the f?

Why would you assume she was in the room as a 1:1 to that student?

Why would you assume that someone doing their job as a 1:1 aide can’t be harmed by a kid?

Are we all living on the same planet where a 6 year old shot a teacher last year or were you at your home base on Mars for that?

Why? Because MCPS's standard for getting a 1:1 is far less than what has been described in this thread.

And an adult that is paying attention should be more than capable of preventing a 6 year old from obtaining and throwing an apparently heavy object. Again, if this story is actually a true story, which seems less and less likely.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You think it is so easy that you stand next to the child and say -no, please stop, go back to your seat - and the out of control child automatically follows your directions?

That’s not how it works -you are trying to block getting bitten, kicked and hit at the same time to you are trying to prevent other kids from being attacked. You can’t physically restrain the out of control child like you could your own son or daughter. You really can’t touch the out of control child either. How do you prevent the child from obtaining heavy objects when the room is literally full of heavy objects. So the kid picks up a chair and you grab the chair, then get kicked in the shins at the same time and try not to fall over or get kicked again or stomped on. Meanwhile the kid rushes away from you and grabs a stapler and chucks it. Or a water bottle or heavy book. Or a pencil and tries to poke another kid.

It’s ridiculous you think it is so easy and keep denying teachers and staff members are being seriously assaulted all over the country by elementary aged students.

Very creative. But again, we're talking about a kindergartener. An adult assigned to a child should be able to prevent that child from obtaining and throwing an object like a water bottle. And a good paraeducator would be able to guide the child to calming strategies before a situation escalates to that level. That's literally the job.

You never answered the question how the adult prevents the child from obtaining an object. You can't restrain the child in any way, so don't include that in your answer. Teachers have been seriously injured by kindergarten and first grade students. you magically think someone getting paid $18 an hour is a kindergarten whisperer who is going to calm the student down when no one else can? You have very obviously never seen a raging out of control student and/or you are an administrator who does an awful job or parent who thinks your child can do no wrong.

This is the type of gaslighting from administrators and parents of out of control kids that make special education teachers and general education teachers quit
Administrators who tell teachers-
if you only build a relationship with the kid, he or she wouldn't have bashed you in the head with a water bottle, so the 8 staples in your head is basically your fault.
Oh it's just a kindergarten student, they don't kick that hard or bite that deeply.
What did you do to make the student so upset? You should let him have whatever he wants.
Why aren't you calming the student down, you should be able to do that before the student escalates
Why aren't you providing the student with rewards (of course they are never provided by the school, the teacher has to spend his or her own money)?

Really?

You grab it before they do. Or take it away from them before they throw it.

It's time for you to retire.

NP. Surely you're aware that there are ~25 kids in these classrooms. There's no way a teacher is grabbing something away if she's across the room. Are you always this obtuse? I suggest you spend some time volunteering in the classroom to see what the realities are.

Oh, and as teachers retire, there isn't a fresh crop to replace them. Think about that for a minute.

It sounds like this child has a 1:1. Did you miss that part of the thread?

No, it does not sound like this child has a 1:1. It sounds like there was an aide present in the classroom and she got hurt. There is one who floats in K at SCES; she’s not 1:1 with a specific student.

The main thing it sounds like is that you really have no idea how bad the staffing situation is.

If that's true, then it is even more outrageous how much this school is failing this student. It's not hard to fill paraeducator positions. They're highly desired positions among child care workers.

Again. It really sounds like you do not understand how bad the staffing situation is.

You don't seem to understand where the bottleneck is. There are plenty of people that want these positions.

For the purpose of the discussion above, it does not matter where the bottleneck is. There was no 1:1 adult assigned to this child.

It does matter, because it sounds like this is exactly the kind of student that needs a 1:1. The principal should have put in a request for critical staffing months ago. The central office may have wanted to send someone to observe the classroom behavior. If it is anything like what has been suggested in this thread, then it would have been approved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Btw obviously nobody is arguing for more white students to be suspended. I mean I think they should be but I'm not one of the people (who aren't here) that you are arguign with. White parents flip out when their children are suspended and they have the time and money to fight the suspensions. MCPS has zero backbone when it comes to rich white moms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Btw obviously nobody is arguing for more white students to be suspended. I mean I think they should be but I'm not one of the people (who aren't here) that you are arguign with. White parents flip out when their children are suspended and they have the time and money to fight the suspensions. MCPS has zero backbone when it comes to rich white moms.

Stop saying "white" when you mean "rich".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Btw obviously nobody is arguing for more white students to be suspended. I mean I think they should be but I'm not one of the people (who aren't here) that you are arguign with. White parents flip out when their children are suspended and they have the time and money to fight the suspensions. MCPS has zero backbone when it comes to rich white moms.

Stop saying "white" when you mean "rich".

No I mean white especially rich white. Don't try to speak for me

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And the person who was injured yesterday and has staples in her head is a paraeducator, not a classroom teacher.

Then she wasn't doing her job, assuming she was in room to help with that student.

If, of course, any part of this story is true at all.

What in the f?

Why would you assume she was in the room as a 1:1 to that student?

Why would you assume that someone doing their job as a 1:1 aide can’t be harmed by a kid?

Are we all living on the same planet where a 6 year old shot a teacher last year or were you at your home base on Mars for that?

Why? Because MCPS's standard for getting a 1:1 is far less than what has been described in this thread.

And an adult that is paying attention should be more than capable of preventing a 6 year old from obtaining and throwing an apparently heavy object. Again, if this story is actually a true story, which seems less and less likely.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You think it is so easy that you stand next to the child and say -no, please stop, go back to your seat - and the out of control child automatically follows your directions?

That’s not how it works -you are trying to block getting bitten, kicked and hit at the same time to you are trying to prevent other kids from being attacked. You can’t physically restrain the out of control child like you could your own son or daughter. You really can’t touch the out of control child either. How do you prevent the child from obtaining heavy objects when the room is literally full of heavy objects. So the kid picks up a chair and you grab the chair, then get kicked in the shins at the same time and try not to fall over or get kicked again or stomped on. Meanwhile the kid rushes away from you and grabs a stapler and chucks it. Or a water bottle or heavy book. Or a pencil and tries to poke another kid.

It’s ridiculous you think it is so easy and keep denying teachers and staff members are being seriously assaulted all over the country by elementary aged students.

Very creative. But again, we're talking about a kindergartener. An adult assigned to a child should be able to prevent that child from obtaining and throwing an object like a water bottle. And a good paraeducator would be able to guide the child to calming strategies before a situation escalates to that level. That's literally the job.

You never answered the question how the adult prevents the child from obtaining an object. You can't restrain the child in any way, so don't include that in your answer. Teachers have been seriously injured by kindergarten and first grade students. you magically think someone getting paid $18 an hour is a kindergarten whisperer who is going to calm the student down when no one else can? You have very obviously never seen a raging out of control student and/or you are an administrator who does an awful job or parent who thinks your child can do no wrong.

This is the type of gaslighting from administrators and parents of out of control kids that make special education teachers and general education teachers quit
Administrators who tell teachers-
if you only build a relationship with the kid, he or she wouldn't have bashed you in the head with a water bottle, so the 8 staples in your head is basically your fault.
Oh it's just a kindergarten student, they don't kick that hard or bite that deeply.
What did you do to make the student so upset? You should let him have whatever he wants.
Why aren't you calming the student down, you should be able to do that before the student escalates
Why aren't you providing the student with rewards (of course they are never provided by the school, the teacher has to spend his or her own money)?

Really?

You grab it before they do. Or take it away from them before they throw it.

It's time for you to retire.

NP. Surely you're aware that there are ~25 kids in these classrooms. There's no way a teacher is grabbing something away if she's across the room. Are you always this obtuse? I suggest you spend some time volunteering in the classroom to see what the realities are.

Oh, and as teachers retire, there isn't a fresh crop to replace them. Think about that for a minute.

It sounds like this child has a 1:1. Did you miss that part of the thread?

No, it does not sound like this child has a 1:1. It sounds like there was an aide present in the classroom and she got hurt. There is one who floats in K at SCES; she’s not 1:1 with a specific student.

The main thing it sounds like is that you really have no idea how bad the staffing situation is.

If that's true, then it is even more outrageous how much this school is failing this student. It's not hard to fill paraeducator positions. They're highly desired positions among child care workers.

Again. It really sounds like you do not understand how bad the staffing situation is.

You don't seem to understand where the bottleneck is. There are plenty of people that want these positions.

For the purpose of the discussion above, it does not matter where the bottleneck is. There was no 1:1 adult assigned to this child.

It does matter, because it sounds like this is exactly the kind of student that needs a 1:1. The principal should have put in a request for critical staffing months ago. The central office may have wanted to send someone to observe the classroom behavior. If it is anything like what has been suggested in this thread, then it would have been approved.

Approved does not equal Staffed. Approved means yes you can have it. Staffed means there is a resource available and willing to show up to provide the needed service. Staffing is the challenge.

[Anonymous]

I was hoping the principal would make an appearance at the concert today.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And the person who was injured yesterday and has staples in her head is a paraeducator, not a classroom teacher.

Then she wasn't doing her job, assuming she was in room to help with that student.

If, of course, any part of this story is true at all.

What in the f?

Why would you assume she was in the room as a 1:1 to that student?

Why would you assume that someone doing their job as a 1:1 aide can’t be harmed by a kid?

Are we all living on the same planet where a 6 year old shot a teacher last year or were you at your home base on Mars for that?

Why? Because MCPS's standard for getting a 1:1 is far less than what has been described in this thread.

And an adult that is paying attention should be more than capable of preventing a 6 year old from obtaining and throwing an apparently heavy object. Again, if this story is actually a true story, which seems less and less likely.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You think it is so easy that you stand next to the child and say -no, please stop, go back to your seat - and the out of control child automatically follows your directions?

That’s not how it works -you are trying to block getting bitten, kicked and hit at the same time to you are trying to prevent other kids from being attacked. You can’t physically restrain the out of control child like you could your own son or daughter. You really can’t touch the out of control child either. How do you prevent the child from obtaining heavy objects when the room is literally full of heavy objects. So the kid picks up a chair and you grab the chair, then get kicked in the shins at the same time and try not to fall over or get kicked again or stomped on. Meanwhile the kid rushes away from you and grabs a stapler and chucks it. Or a water bottle or heavy book. Or a pencil and tries to poke another kid.

It’s ridiculous you think it is so easy and keep denying teachers and staff members are being seriously assaulted all over the country by elementary aged students.

Very creative. But again, we're talking about a kindergartener. An adult assigned to a child should be able to prevent that child from obtaining and throwing an object like a water bottle. And a good paraeducator would be able to guide the child to calming strategies before a situation escalates to that level. That's literally the job.

You never answered the question how the adult prevents the child from obtaining an object. You can't restrain the child in any way, so don't include that in your answer. Teachers have been seriously injured by kindergarten and first grade students. you magically think someone getting paid $18 an hour is a kindergarten whisperer who is going to calm the student down when no one else can? You have very obviously never seen a raging out of control student and/or you are an administrator who does an awful job or parent who thinks your child can do no wrong.

This is the type of gaslighting from administrators and parents of out of control kids that make special education teachers and general education teachers quit
Administrators who tell teachers-
if you only build a relationship with the kid, he or she wouldn't have bashed you in the head with a water bottle, so the 8 staples in your head is basically your fault.
Oh it's just a kindergarten student, they don't kick that hard or bite that deeply.
What did you do to make the student so upset? You should let him have whatever he wants.
Why aren't you calming the student down, you should be able to do that before the student escalates
Why aren't you providing the student with rewards (of course they are never provided by the school, the teacher has to spend his or her own money)?

Really?

You grab it before they do. Or take it away from them before they throw it.

It's time for you to retire.

NP. Surely you're aware that there are ~25 kids in these classrooms. There's no way a teacher is grabbing something away if she's across the room. Are you always this obtuse? I suggest you spend some time volunteering in the classroom to see what the realities are.

Oh, and as teachers retire, there isn't a fresh crop to replace them. Think about that for a minute.

It sounds like this child has a 1:1. Did you miss that part of the thread?

No, it does not sound like this child has a 1:1. It sounds like there was an aide present in the classroom and she got hurt. There is one who floats in K at SCES; she’s not 1:1 with a specific student.

The main thing it sounds like is that you really have no idea how bad the staffing situation is.

If that's true, then it is even more outrageous how much this school is failing this student. It's not hard to fill paraeducator positions. They're highly desired positions among child care workers.

Again. It really sounds like you do not understand how bad the staffing situation is.

You don't seem to understand where the bottleneck is. There are plenty of people that want these positions.

For the purpose of the discussion above, it does not matter where the bottleneck is. There was no 1:1 adult assigned to this child.

It does matter, because it sounds like this is exactly the kind of student that needs a 1:1. The principal should have put in a request for critical staffing months ago. The central office may have wanted to send someone to observe the classroom behavior. If it is anything like what has been suggested in this thread, then it would have been approved.

Approved does not equal Staffed. Approved means yes you can have it. Staffed means there is a resource available and willing to show up to provide the needed service. Staffing is the challenge.

Full-time paraeducator positions, particularly those with benefits, are not hard to fill.

[Anonymous]

Critical staffing is temporary part-time and extremely difficult to fill. There are no benefits and no job security. There also is no paid leave. The jobs are hard and at the lowest end of the pay scale.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Critical staffing is temporary part-time and extremely difficult to fill. There are no benefits and no job security. There also is no paid leave. The jobs are hard and at the lowest end of the pay scale.

Honestly, that just makes MCPS look even worse here.

The problem isn't the kids-- it's the school district.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Critical staffing is temporary part-time and extremely difficult to fill. There are no benefits and no job security. There also is no paid leave. The jobs are hard and at the lowest end of the pay scale.

Honestly, that just makes MCPS look even worse here.

The problem isn't the kids-- it's the school district.

DP. Then we need to pay more taxes to fund higher pay for those positions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Critical staffing is temporary part-time and extremely difficult to fill. There are no benefits and no job security. There also is no paid leave. The jobs are hard and at the lowest end of the pay scale.

Honestly, that just makes MCPS look even worse here.

The problem isn't the kids-- it's the school district.

DP. Then we need to pay more taxes to fund higher pay for those positions.

Yes. And/or cut from elsewhere in the budget. It's a >$3 billion budget. We can pay for health insurance for paras.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Critical staffing is temporary part-time and extremely difficult to fill. There are no benefits and no job security. There also is no paid leave. The jobs are hard and at the lowest end of the pay scale.

Honestly, that just makes MCPS look even worse here.

The problem isn't the kids-- it's the school district.

DP. Then we need to pay more taxes to fund higher pay for those positions.

Or we could not send superintendents involved in wrongdoing on their way with an NDA and a $1.3M golden parachute, etc. There’s quite a bit of fat and mismanagement eating up the MCPS budget.