SWS - You are only invited if you’re Black

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Anonymous wrote: The announcement doesn't say anything about white people not being invited (unless I missed it?). It says the talks plan on focusing on a certain group. Anybody is welcome to come and participate as long as they are on topic.

Correct, it doesn't.

It does. It doesn’t say “whites are NOT invited”, but it says they are excited to invite “all families of children who identify as black.” If your child doesn’t identify as Black, you are not invited.

I honestly don't view this as anything different than having such an email for any other specialty group from parents of LGBTQ+ kids to parents of kids with special needs. Literally just don't care.

Most of the time those aren’t phrased in an exclusionary way, though.

Assuming this is legal, people are free to issue exclusionary invitations. But what they aren’t free to do is control other people’s reactions to being excluded, or be surprised when people react badly.

Well, maybe it's because of the millions of dollars being spent by Christian nationalists and others to stir up outrage about things exactly like this? I suspect that 75% of the people expressing their opposition don't live within 100 miles of DC.

And perhaps why suddenly there's a big long thread about it when affinity type groups and clubs have existed at schools for ages, whether it is the Black Student Union, Asian Student Union, Black Student Engineers, Girls who Code, etc (all clubs at JR, btw). My HS had these types of clubs 25 years ago, but now there's outrage?

It makes sense when the groups are a very small minority. Not a sizable portion of the student body.

Ah, so if 30% of girls at a particular school enroll in GotR, we should shut it down then. That's too many. Got it.

It's open to all girls, whether they run or not. They would welcome you if you were interested in learning to run. Do the affinity groups also welcome people who want to learn more but may not fit the profile?

But it’s not open to boys, and if there is no running club for boys (or similar athletic club) then it’s probably a title 9 violation

Is the school running Girls on the Run or volunteers? Girls on the Run is a separate organization, so not like the school football team.

As a father of two young boys, there is no way that I would foist them and their antics on to a bunch of young women on the run. They would completely ruin the vibe. Maybe two or three boys, but any more than that and they would be shoving and each other nonstop. I love my boys, but in larger groups it’s downright barbarism. The girls don’t need that and I don’t need the stress.


But the it’s fine to have gendered-based athletic clubs.

If you boys are shoving and behaving badly, you need to step up your parenting OR get them evaluated and help.

-Parent of a boy and a girl

Seriously right.

No - boys are going to push and shove because they find it to be fun, and if they do, so what? But I certainly don’t want them to mistakenly hurt a little girl. I want to give my boys space to be boys in appropriate spaces and among people that want to be part of the “fun.”

And I don’t want to endanger my boys by having the wrath of angry parents/teaches come down on them because some little girl got knocked over and lost a tooth. I have a right to protect my boys and don’t care how you feel about it.

So no - we’ll let the girls have their thing just fine without finding yet another way to suck the life out of boyhood.

Can’t win with you people.

You seem VERY tough and not all compensating for something. And surely your boy will be the picture of metal health with an a-hole father who forces antiquated concepts of gender and toughness on him.

I weep for your boy and look forward to the day you meet his husband.

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Anonymous wrote: The announcement doesn't say anything about white people not being invited (unless I missed it?). It says the talks plan on focusing on a certain group. Anybody is welcome to come and participate as long as they are on topic.

Correct, it doesn't.

It does. It doesn’t say “whites are NOT invited”, but it says they are excited to invite “all families of children who identify as black.” If your child doesn’t identify as Black, you are not invited.

I honestly don't view this as anything different than having such an email for any other specialty group from parents of LGBTQ+ kids to parents of kids with special needs. Literally just don't care.

Most of the time those aren’t phrased in an exclusionary way, though.

Assuming this is legal, people are free to issue exclusionary invitations. But what they aren’t free to do is control other people’s reactions to being excluded, or be surprised when people react badly.

Well, maybe it's because of the millions of dollars being spent by Christian nationalists and others to stir up outrage about things exactly like this? I suspect that 75% of the people expressing their opposition don't live within 100 miles of DC.

And perhaps why suddenly there's a big long thread about it when affinity type groups and clubs have existed at schools for ages, whether it is the Black Student Union, Asian Student Union, Black Student Engineers, Girls who Code, etc (all clubs at JR, btw). My HS had these types of clubs 25 years ago, but now there's outrage?

It makes sense when the groups are a very small minority. Not a sizable portion of the student body.

Ah, so if 30% of girls at a particular school enroll in GotR, we should shut it down then. That's too many. Got it.

It's open to all girls, whether they run or not. They would welcome you if you were interested in learning to run. Do the affinity groups also welcome people who want to learn more but may not fit the profile?

But it’s not open to boys, and if there is no running club for boys (or similar athletic club) then it’s probably a title 9 violation

Is the school running Girls on the Run or volunteers? Girls on the Run is a separate organization, so not like the school football team.

As a father of two young boys, there is no way that I would foist them and their antics on to a bunch of young women on the run. They would completely ruin the vibe. Maybe two or three boys, but any more than that and they would be shoving and each other nonstop. I love my boys, but in larger groups it’s downright barbarism. The girls don’t need that and I don’t need the stress.


But the it’s fine to have gendered-based athletic clubs.

If you boys are shoving and behaving badly, you need to step up your parenting OR get them evaluated and help.

-Parent of a boy and a girl

Seriously right.

No - boys are going to push and shove because they find it to be fun, and if they do, so what? But I certainly don’t want them to mistakenly hurt a little girl. I want to give my boys space to be boys in appropriate spaces and among people that want to be part of the “fun.”

And I don’t want to endanger my boys by having the wrath of angry parents/teaches come down on them because some little girl got knocked over and lost a tooth. I have a right to protect my boys and don’t care how you feel about it.

So no - we’ll let the girls have their thing just fine without finding yet another way to suck the life out of boyhood.

Can’t win with you people.

You seem VERY tough and not all compensating for something. And surely your boy will be the picture of metal health with an a-hole father who forces antiquated concepts of gender and toughness on him.

I weep for your boy and look forward to the day you meet his husband.

Wow - no dog in the SWS fight, but the idea that boys behaving like boys is something to be corrected is what’s really toxic.

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Anonymous wrote: The announcement doesn't say anything about white people not being invited (unless I missed it?). It says the talks plan on focusing on a certain group. Anybody is welcome to come and participate as long as they are on topic.

Correct, it doesn't.

It does. It doesn’t say “whites are NOT invited”, but it says they are excited to invite “all families of children who identify as black.” If your child doesn’t identify as Black, you are not invited.

I honestly don't view this as anything different than having such an email for any other specialty group from parents of LGBTQ+ kids to parents of kids with special needs. Literally just don't care.

Most of the time those aren’t phrased in an exclusionary way, though.

Assuming this is legal, people are free to issue exclusionary invitations. But what they aren’t free to do is control other people’s reactions to being excluded, or be surprised when people react badly.

Well, maybe it's because of the millions of dollars being spent by Christian nationalists and others to stir up outrage about things exactly like this? I suspect that 75% of the people expressing their opposition don't live within 100 miles of DC.

And perhaps why suddenly there's a big long thread about it when affinity type groups and clubs have existed at schools for ages, whether it is the Black Student Union, Asian Student Union, Black Student Engineers, Girls who Code, etc (all clubs at JR, btw). My HS had these types of clubs 25 years ago, but now there's outrage?

It makes sense when the groups are a very small minority. Not a sizable portion of the student body.

Ah, so if 30% of girls at a particular school enroll in GotR, we should shut it down then. That's too many. Got it.

It's open to all girls, whether they run or not. They would welcome you if you were interested in learning to run. Do the affinity groups also welcome people who want to learn more but may not fit the profile?

But it’s not open to boys, and if there is no running club for boys (or similar athletic club) then it’s probably a title 9 violation

Is the school running Girls on the Run or volunteers? Girls on the Run is a separate organization, so not like the school football team.

As a father of two young boys, there is no way that I would foist them and their antics on to a bunch of young women on the run. They would completely ruin the vibe. Maybe two or three boys, but any more than that and they would be shoving and each other nonstop. I love my boys, but in larger groups it’s downright barbarism. The girls don’t need that and I don’t need the stress.


But the it’s fine to have gendered-based athletic clubs.

If you boys are shoving and behaving badly, you need to step up your parenting OR get them evaluated and help.

-Parent of a boy and a girl

Seriously right.

No - boys are going to push and shove because they find it to be fun, and if they do, so what? But I certainly don’t want them to mistakenly hurt a little girl. I want to give my boys space to be boys in appropriate spaces and among people that want to be part of the “fun.”

And I don’t want to endanger my boys by having the wrath of angry parents/teaches come down on them because some little girl got knocked over and lost a tooth. I have a right to protect my boys and don’t care how you feel about it.

So no - we’ll let the girls have their thing just fine without finding yet another way to suck the life out of boyhood.

Can’t win with you people.

You seem VERY tough and not all compensating for something. And surely your boy will be the picture of metal health with an a-hole father who forces antiquated concepts of gender and toughness on him.

I weep for your boy and look forward to the day you meet his husband.

Wow - no dog in the SWS fight, but the idea that boys behaving like boys is something to be corrected is what’s really toxic.

+1. And what's with the overwrought "I weep for your boy" crap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder what they’d do if a white South African family or an Egyptian family showed up.

Nothing. I go to a bunch of these events for different groups usually for the food. I’ve always felt welcome.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder what they’d do if a white South African family or an Egyptian family showed up.

Nothing. I go to a bunch of these events for different groups usually for the food. I’ve always felt welcome.

What kind of food do they serve at the white affinity group?

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder what they’d do if a white South African family or an Egyptian family showed up.

Nothing. I go to a bunch of these events for different groups usually for the food. I’ve always felt welcome.

What kind of food do they serve at the white affinity group?

Strange fruit.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder what they’d do if a white South African family or an Egyptian family showed up.

Nothing. I go to a bunch of these events for different groups usually for the food. I’ve always felt welcome.

What kind of food do they serve at the white affinity group?

Strange fruit.

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