WJ/BCC Fight - No racism please!

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe
they wrote "teachable moment" in the communication. It's really disrespectful to the students injured and traumatized

What's a lifelong head trauma, possible seizures and debilitating brain injury, not to mention emotional trauma and PTSD, if it makes a couple dysfunctional kids do some reflecting after they curb stomped a kid? Totally fair trade (sarcasm, if that's not obvious. Whoever wrote that phrase is sick and totally lacking in empathy)

Nobody has a debilitating brain injury.

It’s a teachable moment to not fight. Not go towards s fight. Not stay at a fight going on. Learning to walk away from a fight is a teachable moment.

Seriously? Just a fight? What kind of kid fights by kicking and pummeling someone on the ground. Being kicked in the head is not how kids fight in the schools where I've worked. They know they'll be suspended or expelled.

Yes Pollyanna 90% of fights go to the ground.

If the boy on the ground has injuries there will be a charge.

But yes, it was a fight.

A fight involves 2 people or more. That was an assault

Yet everyone in the know calls it a fight.

[Anonymous]

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We encourage parents and guardians to have conversations with their children about the inappropriate choice of violence and fighting, as well as the possible consequences. These conversations are vital in reinforcing the values we hold dear within our community.

Hey Monifa, how are we as parents supposed to have conversations with our kids about consequences for violence and fighting when you won't tell us what consequences you're doling out to the students who just did it live and in color?

Make it make sense.

Because fighting is not illegal and we don’t arrest people for doing things that are not illegal.

What does your argument, which I won't even debate, about the supposed legality of fighting have to do with the contradictory advice McKnight is giving in telling parents to have conversations about the consequences of violence and fighting that she is refusing to name or share with parents?

The consequences are you get injuries and possibly are not allowed to go to games.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe
they wrote "teachable moment" in the communication. It's really disrespectful to the students injured and traumatized

What's a lifelong head trauma, possible seizures and debilitating brain injury, not to mention emotional trauma and PTSD, if it makes a couple dysfunctional kids do some reflecting after they curb stomped a kid? Totally fair trade (sarcasm, if that's not obvious. Whoever wrote that phrase is sick and totally lacking in empathy)

Nobody has a debilitating brain injury.

It’s a teachable moment to not fight. Not go towards s fight. Not stay at a fight going on. Learning to walk away from a fight is a teachable moment.

Seriously? Just a fight? What kind of kid fights by kicking and pummeling someone on the ground. Being kicked in the head is not how kids fight in the schools where I've worked. They know they'll be suspended or expelled.

Yes Pollyanna 90% of fights go to the ground.

If the boy on the ground has injuries there will be a charge.

But yes, it was a fight.

A fight involves 2 people or more. That was an assault

Yet everyone in the know calls it a fight.

Oh, you’ve definitely proven there are no possible assault charges

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Anonymous wrote:Dr. Mooney sent another community message last night about the two investigations (by MCPS and the police). I thought the second sentence here was interesting:

“I also spoke directly to our students to recognize the impact events like this have on their feelings of personal safety and security, while also ensuring the students that the individuals who made the unacceptable choice to engage in the violence depicted on social media would be held accountable. Those who made the choice to video and post this behavior will also be held accountable as this adds to disruption and inappropriately celebrates violence.”

Without video, of course, it would be easier to sweep under the rug...

MCPS has been embarrassed and is lashing out.

The principal is right. It is truly despicable to record this type of thing and post it on social media. It is meant to humiliate and glorify violence as well as garner views. It has nothing to to with hiding anything. Some people have very twisted minds to think the principal means to hide anything when he states that kids shouldn't be recording this kind of thing and posting it on social media. Really twisted.

Both things are valid. It's awful to record someone's trauma or humiliation for the entertainment of others, but documenting this stuff also brings serious and real problems and crimes to light. So it's a double-edged sword.

I’m guessing that some kids were overwhelmed and knew they couldn’t stop it so started taping. This is what adults seem to do every time something dramatic happens in public. It’s not exactly unusual behavior.

Maybe let’s focus first on the violent kids who were stomping on other kids’ heads.

Seems like BCC never punishes those kids. Is there any update on identifying those kids? Charging them? Kicking them out of BCC?

Until then I can’t take the silly emails coming from the principal.

All this and when will the WJ kids be brought to the same justice.

Drunk, disorderly, fighting… embarrassing

It’s clear to both principals that the WJ kids were attacked. Go back and read their letters. Read the news reports about the racial slurs being changed from the BCC stands at WJ players and fans. I don’t think your both sides theory is going to play out.

Every single solitary news report says it was a fight. Not an assault a fight.

Now how much weight to you wanna give the “news reports”?

“assault” is a legal term. it is what the teens who were seen attacking kids on the video will be charged with. “fight” is a colloquial term.

No fight is an actual thing in the law and when stupid teens with underdeveloped brains choose to fight they can’t turn around after losing and say it was assault.

They can sue for damages if there are anything more than a bruised ego.

thanks counselor. lol.

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Watch the video again. A whole bunch of people kicking and punching someone is an assault. The two girls who stomped on the other girl assaulted her. Full stop.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe
they wrote "teachable moment" in the communication. It's really disrespectful to the students injured and traumatized

What's a lifelong head trauma, possible seizures and debilitating brain injury, not to mention emotional trauma and PTSD, if it makes a couple dysfunctional kids do some reflecting after they curb stomped a kid? Totally fair trade (sarcasm, if that's not obvious. Whoever wrote that phrase is sick and totally lacking in empathy)

Nobody has a debilitating brain injury.

It’s a teachable moment to not fight. Not go towards s fight. Not stay at a fight going on. Learning to walk away from a fight is a teachable moment.

Seriously? Just a fight? What kind of kid fights by kicking and pummeling someone on the ground. Being kicked in the head is not how kids fight in the schools where I've worked. They know they'll be suspended or expelled.

Yes Pollyanna 90% of fights go to the ground.

If the boy on the ground has injuries there will be a charge.

But yes, it was a fight.

A fight involves 2 people or more. That was an assault

Yet everyone in the know calls it a fight.

Oh, you’ve definitely proven there are no possible assault charges

That’s not true and that not what has been said.

What was said is it was a fight, at some point in the fight it can be considered assault, for example if someone tries to retreat and they are chased.

The kid on the ground might be a victim of assault, if he was not an aggressor. If there is video of him being an aggressor there is an argument that the person kicking was afraid if he got up there feared he would assault them.

Nobody knows. That’s the point.

Teens lie, rich parents lawyer up, nobody knows yet.

Wait for the police report.

But at this point not 1 person (except parents) have called the incident an assault.

What we do know is that it was a fight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Watch the video again. A whole bunch of people kicking and punching someone is an assault. The two girls who stomped on the other girl assaulted her. Full stop.

Depends, could be self defense

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Anonymous wrote:Watch the video again. A whole bunch of people kicking and punching someone is an assault. The two girls who stomped on the other girl assaulted her. Full stop.

Depends, could be self defense

A dozen people don’t need to defend themselves against a single person laying on the ground .

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Watch the video again. A whole bunch of people kicking and punching someone is an assault. The two girls who stomped on the other girl assaulted her. Full stop.

Depends, could be self defense

A dozen people don’t need to defend themselves against a single person laying on the ground .

Exactly. You can tell this person is not an attorney and possible not even literate- no way this would qualify as self defense. People would mock them in court if they even tried

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Anonymous wrote:Dr. Mooney sent another community message last night about the two investigations (by MCPS and the police). I thought the second sentence here was interesting:

“I also spoke directly to our students to recognize the impact events like this have on their feelings of personal safety and security, while also ensuring the students that the individuals who made the unacceptable choice to engage in the violence depicted on social media would be held accountable. Those who made the choice to video and post this behavior will also be held accountable as this adds to disruption and inappropriately celebrates violence.”

Without video, of course, it would be easier to sweep under the rug...

MCPS has been embarrassed and is lashing out.

The principal is right. It is truly despicable to record this type of thing and post it on social media. It is meant to humiliate and glorify violence as well as garner views. It has nothing to to with hiding anything. Some people have very twisted minds to think the principal means to hide anything when he states that kids shouldn't be recording this kind of thing and posting it on social media. Really twisted.

Both things are valid. It's awful to record someone's trauma or humiliation for the entertainment of others, but documenting this stuff also brings serious and real problems and crimes to light. So it's a double-edged sword.

I agree with this but only if the purpose of recording it is to document the event so that those who should be punished can be identified. And if that's the case, the videos would be seen by the police and school administrators first and not immediately posted on social media. I hope those who did nothing but taped the fight just so they could get "likes" are also punished. They should be. This happened at our school last year and I told DS that if he ever taped a fight instead of going to get help, he wouldn't have a phone anymore. As a parent, I would be mortified if that was my child's choice in a situation like that.

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I think we've learned over the past several years that Good Samaritans are often prosecuted instead of criminals, so I think most parents would NOT want their kids to join a fight instead of taping it.

I tell my kids to MOVE AWAY and call 911.

Also, it looks like the BCC principal has announced the Case Closed according to his latest email tonight. No more information will be forthcoming from the school, and no one will ever know what happened to the attackers re: MoCo and schools. The police haven't completed their investigation.

No surprise there. I will make sure my kids continue their AP classes, and we are nearly done with MCPS. I wish we had moved to the Whitman district.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Watch the video again. A whole bunch of people kicking and punching someone is an assault. The two girls who stomped on the other girl assaulted her. Full stop.

Depends, could be self defense

You sound crazy and dangerous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dr. Mooney sent another community message last night about the two investigations (by MCPS and the police). I thought the second sentence here was interesting:

“I also spoke directly to our students to recognize the impact events like this have on their feelings of personal safety and security, while also ensuring the students that the individuals who made the unacceptable choice to engage in the violence depicted on social media would be held accountable. Those who made the choice to video and post this behavior will also be held accountable as this adds to disruption and inappropriately celebrates violence.”

Without video, of course, it would be easier to sweep under the rug...

MCPS has been embarrassed and is lashing out.

The principal is right. It is truly despicable to record this type of thing and post it on social media. It is meant to humiliate and glorify violence as well as garner views. It has nothing to to with hiding anything. Some people have very twisted minds to think the principal means to hide anything when he states that kids shouldn't be recording this kind of thing and posting it on social media. Really twisted.

Both things are valid. It's awful to record someone's trauma or humiliation for the entertainment of others, but documenting this stuff also brings serious and real problems and crimes to light. So it's a double-edged sword.

I agree with this but only if the purpose of recording it is to document the event so that those who should be punished can be identified. And if that's the case, the videos would be seen by the police and school administrators first and not immediately posted on social media. I hope those who did nothing but taped the fight just so they could get "likes" are also punished. They should be. This happened at our school last year and I told DS that if he ever taped a fight instead of going to get help, he wouldn't have a phone anymore. As a parent, I would be mortified if that was my child's choice in a situation like that.

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I think we've learned over the past several years that Good Samaritans are often prosecuted instead of criminals, so I think most parents would NOT want their kids to join a fight instead of taping it.

I tell my kids to MOVE AWAY and call 911.

Also, it looks like the BCC principal has announced the Case Closed according to his latest email tonight. No more information will be forthcoming from the school, and no one will ever know what happened to the attackers re: MoCo and schools. The police haven't completed their investigation.

No surprise there. I will make sure my kids continue their AP classes, and we are nearly done with MCPS. I wish we had moved to the Whitman district.

At what time did Dr. Mooney send a message tonight? I’m a BCC parent and didn’t get it. I only saw the MCPS community message.

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Who in Chevy Chase will be willing to send their children to BCC now? I predict a mass exodus to private schools. There are no consequences for violent minors in MCPS. People with means will keep their kids safe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Since no one posted the Community Letter from MCPS and MCPD, here it is: https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/publicinfo/community/school-year-2023-2024/Community-message-20230906b.html

Dear Montgomery County Families and Community Members,

As key leaders representing Montgomery County residents, we are writing to report on the actions taken following the recent fight that followed a high school football game in Bethesda this past Friday, September 1, and to reiterate our collective commitment to community safety.

Following the football game between Bethesda-Chevy Chase and Walter Johnson High Schools, a physical altercation near the Bethesda Metro Station resulted in multiple student injuries. Montgomery County Public Schools and Montgomery County Police immediately began a collaborative conversation.

The primary goal of this work is to determine precisely what occurred and to ensure that students involved will be held accountable. The memorandum of understanding with all community police partners very specifically outlines what actions may be addressed through school-based discipline and what is considered criminal activity.

Available evidence has been reviewed and we can confirm at this time that appropriate disciplinary action has been applied in alignment with the MCPS Student Code of Conduct . However, no students have been charged criminally, although the criminal investigation is ongoing.

The school district has always maintained comprehensive operational safety plans for each football game every week during the fall athletics season. Prior to the fall athletic season, MCPD and MCPS hold a collaborative meeting to discuss comprehensive operation safety plans for each football game. These meetings have helped create the tiered safety plan system that has been in place since 2022. MCPD and MCPS remain committed partners in ensuring school and community safety, and frequently discuss updates to these plans on a weekly basis.

The question has arisen, “How do we extend safety beyond the school campus?” This poses challenges but we are exploring a number of options along with our county security and police partners. Essentially, this involves monitoring by placing MCPS staff in key areas of our community following football games and messaging to our students that we and the community are watching.

Moving forward, we are taking the following actions to strengthen safety at all football games.

We utilize the resources that our Fall 2023 Athletics Safety Plan provides, which include actions such as:

Students must present a school ID
School-age spectators from other than the competing schools must be accompanied by an adult
Backpacks are not allowed and more.
The Athletics Safety Plan also allows for us to implement actions on an incremental basis. Therefore, effective this week, all varsity football games will operate with the following Tier 2 actions:

Spectator numbers will be limited to 75% of stadium capacity to assist with event management.
Individuals who engage in inappropriate behaviors may be excluded from postseason competition or suspended for multiple contests.
Game times/dates may be altered to provide more daylight and assist with event management.

If additional incidents occur, consistent with the decision guidelines in the safety plan, additional actions may be taken, including a shift to Tier 3 of the plan.

Also, Montgomery County Police have committed to assigning officers in identified areas of concern such as areas where students may gather after games.

This incident must serve as a teachable moment for our entire community. We must collectively reinforce the values of respect, tolerance, and resolving conflict through peaceful means. It is through an “All Together Now” understanding that we can ensure our students do not resort to violence as a means to resolve their differences. Collectively, we encourage parents and guardians to have conversations with their children about the inappropriate choice of violence and fighting, as well as the possible consequences. These conversations are vital in reinforcing the values we hold dear within our community.

As community leaders, we are dedicated to addressing this incident with the seriousness it deserves and ensuring that it serves as an opportunity for positive change. Together, we can strengthen the bonds that unite us and help our students grow into responsible, compassionate, and productive members of society.

In partnership,

Dr. Monifa B. McKnight
Superintendent of Schools

Marcus Jones
Chief, Montgomery County Police

Oh, no! Just wait till the head stompers hear that Tier 3 is next! The horror! What a weak letter. I can’t believe she did not even address the kicking more directly.

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We encourage parents and guardians to have conversations with their children about the inappropriate choice of violence and fighting, as well as the possible consequences. These conversations are vital in reinforcing the values we hold dear within our community.

Hey Monifa, how are we as parents supposed to have conversations with our kids about consequences for violence and fighting when you won't tell us what consequences you're doling out to the students who just did it live and in color?

Make it make sense.

Exactly! And how can she even dare bring up the possibility that it will happen again?