Spikes and hooks are the least "equitable" things out there? Why are Ivies so into them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Life is not fair. Trying to fix all unfairness is impossible.

I think going for major biases like race equality and gender equality is fine, but trying to fight SEC inequality is just not going to work.

Yeah, some of us were born into well off families, but it may be more of a disadvantage because it doesn’t help develop grit.

Being born into an emotionally healthy family is even more of a privilege, but no one considers that in college applications.

There is no college application lines for dysfunctional family, neurotic mother, alcoholic father, neglecting parenting, illness, traumas, etc.

Being born into a well off family may be a disadvantage? I have read a lot of bull crap on DCUm but that could be the prizewinner.

Yep a loving household and supportive parents with HHI of 80-90k will probably be better for a kid than alcoholic and workaholic dad and stepmom who doesn’t care with HHI of 500k. You just don’t know. Everyone seems to know what everyone else is going through though and can neatly put people in privilege boxes without knowing their story. Sad.

Alcoholism, loving...these things are not determined by HHI. Alcoholism can strike at any income level

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Life is not fair. Trying to fix all unfairness is impossible.

I think going for major biases like race equality and gender equality is fine, but trying to fight SEC inequality is just not going to work.

Yeah, some of us were born into well off families, but it may be more of a disadvantage because it doesn’t help develop grit.

Being born into an emotionally healthy family is even more of a privilege, but no one considers that in college applications.

There is no college application lines for dysfunctional family, neurotic mother, alcoholic father, neglecting parenting, illness, traumas, etc.

Being born into a well off family may be a disadvantage? I have read a lot of bull crap on DCUm but that could be the prizewinner.

Yep a loving household and supportive parents with HHI of 80-90k will probably be better for a kid than alcoholic and workaholic dad and stepmom who doesn’t care with HHI of 500k. You just don’t know. Everyone seems to know what everyone else is going through though and can neatly put people in privilege boxes without knowing their story. Sad.

Alcoholism, loving...these things are not determined by HHI. Alcoholism can strike at any income level

And look into how much rehab costs before you spout such nonsense. Lower income alcoholics are not heading off to Betty Ford for treatment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Life is not fair. Trying to fix all unfairness is impossible.

I think going for major biases like race equality and gender equality is fine, but trying to fight SEC inequality is just not going to work.

Yeah, some of us were born into well off families, but it may be more of a disadvantage because it doesn’t help develop grit.

Being born into an emotionally healthy family is even more of a privilege, but no one considers that in college applications.

There is no college application lines for dysfunctional family, neurotic mother, alcoholic father, neglecting parenting, illness, traumas, etc.

Being born into a well off family may be a disadvantage? I have read a lot of bull crap on DCUm but that could be the prizewinner.

Yep a loving household and supportive parents with HHI of 80-90k will probably be better for a kid than alcoholic and workaholic dad and stepmom who doesn’t care with HHI of 500k. You just don’t know. Everyone seems to know what everyone else is going through though and can neatly put people in privilege boxes without knowing their story. Sad.

Why don’t you quit your job then?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Life is not fair. Trying to fix all unfairness is impossible.

I think going for major biases like race equality and gender equality is fine, but trying to fight SEC inequality is just not going to work.

Yeah, some of us were born into well off families, but it may be more of a disadvantage because it doesn’t help develop grit.

Being born into an emotionally healthy family is even more of a privilege, but no one considers that in college applications.

There is no college application lines for dysfunctional family, neurotic mother, alcoholic father, neglecting parenting, illness, traumas, etc.

Being born into a well off family may be a disadvantage? I have read a lot of bull crap on DCUm but that could be the prizewinner.

Yep a loving household and supportive parents with HHI of 80-90k will probably be better for a kid than alcoholic and workaholic dad and stepmom who doesn’t care with HHI of 500k. You just don’t know. Everyone seems to know what everyone else is going through though and can neatly put people in privilege boxes without knowing their story. Sad.

Why don’t you quit your job then?

Because I have responsibilities and don't expect some come kind of welfare or equity system to take care of me or my goals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Life is not fair. Trying to fix all unfairness is impossible.

I think going for major biases like race equality and gender equality is fine, but trying to fight SEC inequality is just not going to work.

Yeah, some of us were born into well off families, but it may be more of a disadvantage because it doesn’t help develop grit.

Being born into an emotionally healthy family is even more of a privilege, but no one considers that in college applications.

There is no college application lines for dysfunctional family, neurotic mother, alcoholic father, neglecting parenting, illness, traumas, etc.

Being born into a well off family may be a disadvantage? I have read a lot of bull crap on DCUm but that could be the prizewinner.

Yep a loving household and supportive parents with HHI of 80-90k will probably be better for a kid than alcoholic and workaholic dad and stepmom who doesn’t care with HHI of 500k. You just don’t know. Everyone seems to know what everyone else is going through though and can neatly put people in privilege boxes without knowing their story. Sad.

Why don’t you quit your job then?

Because I have responsibilities and don't expect some come kind of welfare or equity system to take care of me or my goals.

You poor poor disadvantaged affluent person. So sorry

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Life is not fair. Trying to fix all unfairness is impossible.

I think going for major biases like race equality and gender equality is fine, but trying to fight SEC inequality is just not going to work.

Yeah, some of us were born into well off families, but it may be more of a disadvantage because it doesn’t help develop grit.

Being born into an emotionally healthy family is even more of a privilege, but no one considers that in college applications.

There is no college application lines for dysfunctional family, neurotic mother, alcoholic father, neglecting parenting, illness, traumas, etc.

Being born into a well off family may be a disadvantage? I have read a lot of bull crap on DCUm but that could be the prizewinner.

Yep a loving household and supportive parents with HHI of 80-90k will probably be better for a kid than alcoholic and workaholic dad and stepmom who doesn’t care with HHI of 500k. You just don’t know. Everyone seems to know what everyone else is going through though and can neatly put people in privilege boxes without knowing their story. Sad.

Alcoholism, loving...these things are not determined by HHI. Alcoholism can strike at any income level

point is everyone has a story or a struggle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Life is not fair. Trying to fix all unfairness is impossible.

I think going for major biases like race equality and gender equality is fine, but trying to fight SEC inequality is just not going to work.

Yeah, some of us were born into well off families, but it may be more of a disadvantage because it doesn’t help develop grit.

Being born into an emotionally healthy family is even more of a privilege, but no one considers that in college applications.

There is no college application lines for dysfunctional family, neurotic mother, alcoholic father, neglecting parenting, illness, traumas, etc.

Being born into a well off family may be a disadvantage? I have read a lot of bull crap on DCUm but that could be the prizewinner.

Yep a loving household and supportive parents with HHI of 80-90k will probably be better for a kid than alcoholic and workaholic dad and stepmom who doesn’t care with HHI of 500k. You just don’t know. Everyone seems to know what everyone else is going through though and can neatly put people in privilege boxes without knowing their story. Sad.

Alcoholism, loving...these things are not determined by HHI. Alcoholism can strike at any income level

point is everyone has a story or a struggle.

Very true. And one group has a lot more resources available to throw at these struggles than other groups

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Life is not fair. Trying to fix all unfairness is impossible.

I think going for major biases like race equality and gender equality is fine, but trying to fight SEC inequality is just not going to work.

Yeah, some of us were born into well off families, but it may be more of a disadvantage because it doesn’t help develop grit.

Being born into an emotionally healthy family is even more of a privilege, but no one considers that in college applications.

There is no college application lines for dysfunctional family, neurotic mother, alcoholic father, neglecting parenting, illness, traumas, etc.

Being born into a well off family may be a disadvantage? I have read a lot of bull crap on DCUm but that could be the prizewinner.

Yep a loving household and supportive parents with HHI of 80-90k will probably be better for a kid than alcoholic and workaholic dad and stepmom who doesn’t care with HHI of 500k. You just don’t know. Everyone seems to know what everyone else is going through though and can neatly put people in privilege boxes without knowing their story. Sad.

Alcoholism, loving...these things are not determined by HHI. Alcoholism can strike at any income level

point is everyone has a story or a struggle.

Very true. And one group has a lot more resources available to throw at these struggles than other groups

And they should absolutely use them for treatment if alcoholism is an issue. Do it immediately. Treating that is as important as what particular colleges the student ends up attending.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Life is not fair. Trying to fix all unfairness is impossible.

I think going for major biases like race equality and gender equality is fine, but trying to fight SEC inequality is just not going to work.

Yeah, some of us were born into well off families, but it may be more of a disadvantage because it doesn’t help develop grit.

Being born into an emotionally healthy family is even more of a privilege, but no one considers that in college applications.

There is no college application lines for dysfunctional family, neurotic mother, alcoholic father, neglecting parenting, illness, traumas, etc.

Being born into a well off family may be a disadvantage? I have read a lot of bull crap on DCUm but that could be the prizewinner.

Yep a loving household and supportive parents with HHI of 80-90k will probably be better for a kid than alcoholic and workaholic dad and stepmom who doesn’t care with HHI of 500k. You just don’t know. Everyone seems to know what everyone else is going through though and can neatly put people in privilege boxes without knowing their story. Sad.

Alcoholism, loving...these things are not determined by HHI. Alcoholism can strike at any income level

point is everyone has a story or a struggle.

Very true. And one group has a lot more resources available to throw at these struggles than other groups

well in the example there are two incomes that describe this one group vs the other relationship, but in reality its a sliding scale of resources across tons of people in the middle above and below. People attempting to box in folks as privileged arbitrarily without knowing them is not well-received.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Life is not fair. Trying to fix all unfairness is impossible.

I think going for major biases like race equality and gender equality is fine, but trying to fight SEC inequality is just not going to work.

Yeah, some of us were born into well off families, but it may be more of a disadvantage because it doesn’t help develop grit.

Being born into an emotionally healthy family is even more of a privilege, but no one considers that in college applications.

There is no college application lines for dysfunctional family, neurotic mother, alcoholic father, neglecting parenting, illness, traumas, etc.

Being born into a well off family may be a disadvantage? I have read a lot of bull crap on DCUm but that could be the prizewinner.

Yep a loving household and supportive parents with HHI of 80-90k will probably be better for a kid than alcoholic and workaholic dad and stepmom who doesn’t care with HHI of 500k. You just don’t know. Everyone seems to know what everyone else is going through though and can neatly put people in privilege boxes without knowing their story. Sad.

Alcoholism, loving...these things are not determined by HHI. Alcoholism can strike at any income level

point is everyone has a story or a struggle.

Very true. And one group has a lot more resources available to throw at these struggles than other groups

well in the example there are two incomes that describe this one group vs the other relationship, but in reality its a sliding scale of resources across tons of people in the middle above and below. People attempting to box in folks as privileged arbitrarily without knowing them is not well-received.

First of all. If a family is struggling with alcoholism and they have some resources to pay for rehab, they should immediately pursue treatment. If they cannot afford to do that than I would not describe them as affluent or privileged and they are stuck in the middle like most families where this is a huge problem with limited solutions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My dc had a "spike" as a very accomplished musician. Yes, it got her into HYP and yes, our financial resources and my commitment to it played a role in her achieving the level that she has but the point was not to get into college. She loves playing and it continues to be a huge part of her college experience. This level of playing is generally only found out very selective college ( or conservatories). If my DC as a say UVA she would not have the same musical community, faculty and resources.

Just seems odd talents like this are not thrown in the “privilege” bucket with SAT scores (that only require a $20 book). It’s somewhat irrelevant to me if the focus was on college admission or not all along. But it is indeed a pleasant coincidence that it led to HYP admission! I don’t mean to take anything away from your dc who must have worked very hard. But the contradiction irks me.

How can you have a great orchestra with no players? Yes, she works extremely hard and part of the reason she deserves to be there. If not her, who? schools are looking for kids with a lot of drive, smarts and discipline. musicians bring that.

Is it plausible that a genuinely middle class kid could have achieved what your dc did?

Michael Jackson - could not read music. Stevie Wonder - self taught. Wes Montgomery - self taught, could not read music. Serena and Venus - taught by Dad - in Compton. Excellence is about choices and commitment, not money.

Very unlikely. Some talents require a lot of money to develop.

[Anonymous]

Take a real look into the resumes of the talented people we all admire most and you will find they mostly had nothing. The hunger and passion fueled them, not the resources. And they largely became great not in spite of fewer resources, but because of the innovation required without those resources. That's exactly the kind of grit and innovation that colleges look for. By contrast rich kid talent tends to be surface level at best.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Take a real look into the resumes of the talented people we all admire most and you will find they mostly had nothing. The hunger and passion fueled them, not the resources. And they largely became great not in spite of fewer resources, but because of the innovation required without those resources. That's exactly the kind of grit and innovation that colleges look for. By contrast rich kid talent tends to be surface level at best.

Sorry but that is a fantasy. There is plenty of "rich kid talent" at top colleges. This system is entrenched. Some scrappy lower income students might figure out how to get in there. But few